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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
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Posted - 2013.12.16 17:44:00 -
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Just going to copy/paste this from another thread, figure it could use a little more attention. Note that it may sound like I am portraying the Amarr and Caldari as pure good and Gallente and Minmatar are pure evil, but that is not the case. Since everyone seems to believe the opposite, I thought I'd bring out some points refuting, that is all.
No one is trying to mask anything, this is simply how things are. And no, you don't have to be a reformist to believe Amarr and Caldari have plenty of good sides. Try to keep an open mind on the matter.
DeadlyAztec11 wrote:
No matter how you mask it, the Amarr are religious conquers that enslave people. While the Caldari are large government people that control their citizens with something akin to janisariers and serfdom, as well as their leaders are large corporate capitalists.
To go beyond that you would need to make explanations for the Caldari and Amarr much more lengthy.
When you start to get more into the story the lines between right and wrong start to blur, but even then the Caldari and Amarr are still seen as somewhat bad guys.
I know I was originally going to choose Amarr, my thinking was, "These guys are like Crusaders in space, on a mission from the divine... o.O". Then I read they enslaved people and I said "**** that, I hate social injustice like that.".
Then I read about the Caldari and thought "Wow, space Communists! Cool!", BUT!- I then did EXTRA research online and realized that they weren't communists at all and thought "These guys aren't even trying to really help people, they are just what would happen if Japan was administered by Wal-Mart and they all decided to look like grey communists".
The CaldarI and Amarr just aren't appealing unless you want to be an antagonist, or possibly if you want to be a reformer, IE an Amarr that wants to free the slaves or a Caldari that wants more social liberties.
But let me ask you True, how would you have written the descriptions?
You see, True, it's people like this who make all your efforts null. "No matter how you mask it"? We're not trying to mask anything.
The Amarr don't just go an enslave anyone willy nilly. All the races they enslave are primitive and aggressive. That does not exclude the Minmatar, who are perhaps the most violent culture New Eden has ever seen. When Amarr "enslaves" them (really, they are guiding them as a parent figure) they transform them into more peaceful human beings that bring more stability to New Eden. Oh and yeah, Amarr are all about peace and stability among New Eden, that is the whole premise of their religion and it is also evident by how they are watching over the other three empires.
And you're right, Caldari aren't space communists. In fact, they are space capitalists which is the EXACT opposite. And where do you get that they are trying to hate people?
Oh and guess what? Amarr does free all their slaves, that is part of their culture, it is not the acts of reformists.
Oh and guess what? Caldari do have social liberties, it is part of their culture, it is not the acts of reformists.
Meanwhile, you have the Minmatar who as already stated are perhaps the most brutal culture New Eden has ever seen and you have the Gallente who have a sincere lack of respect for human life the main thing keeping their economy afloat is the drug cartel, they treat their POW's worse than anything you've heard of on Earth, and they willingly accept their citizens as "collateral damage" if it means capturing the enemy.
Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
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Princess Abi-Hime
Pradox XVI
34
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Posted - 2013.12.16 17:50:00 -
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smells like propaganda to me
The Metalhead Mercenary
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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
4114
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Posted - 2013.12.16 17:52:00 -
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Princess Abi-Hime wrote:smells like propaganda to me
Yeah, because how dare anyone say there is any right in religious slavery 
Did you even read it? Or just instant "WINmatar, trust in rust!"
Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
8945
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Posted - 2013.12.16 17:54:00 -
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Gallente is like sex.
Even bad sex is good.
Yup, even that kind.
Vids / O7
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1288
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Posted - 2013.12.16 17:55:00 -
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Empress Jamyl did nothing wrong! |
Princess Abi-Hime
Pradox XVI
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Posted - 2013.12.16 17:58:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Princess Abi-Hime wrote:smells like propaganda to me Yeah, because how dare anyone say there is any right in religious slavery Did you even read it? Or just instant "WINmatar, trust in rust!"
did you say something? *jerks minnie brothers next to me*
The Metalhead Mercenary
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Kristoff Atruin
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1445
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Posted - 2013.12.16 17:59:00 -
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That's the thing people don't get. The lore of New Eden is very heavily infuenced by Icelandic culture. Everything is dark and brutal. It really is a dystopia, and we as immortals just happen to be above it all looking down. |
dent 308
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2159
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Posted - 2013.12.16 17:59:00 -
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Basic point is there are no good guys. Just varying varieties of villain. Just like real life.
Great quote from 'The Zero Effect'
'There are no good guys, no bad guys, its all just a bunch of guys'
Hail Satan
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iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
1211
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Posted - 2013.12.16 18:00:00 -
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Its 4 flavours of humanity warts and all.
"We spent so much time huddling inside buildings with tanks circling outside like a swarm of sharks around bait"
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Ion Crush
Altyr Initiative
145
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Posted - 2013.12.16 18:00:00 -
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The Amarr attacked the Jove with the intention of conquering and enslaving them. The Jove are neither violent or primitive. The Jove have few numbers and the Amarrians perceived them as weak and easily conquerable. |
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Leovarian L Lavitz
NECROM0NGERS
Covert Intervention
871
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Posted - 2013.12.16 18:03:00 -
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The minmatar had reached a state of mechanical excellance never before nor after seen when the Amarr invaded. The minmatar is the only race that had approached building their own stargates rather than finding them like the rest. Those acceleration gates are originally minmatar.
No, I don't think the enslavement of the minmatar was the correct course of action. Within the next millennium the technological wonders that may have been worked by the minmatar would perhaps been quite the sight to behold. Just speculation, though.
Speculation based in observation. Almost all lab and tech firms throughout new eden hire sebestior tribesmen or use enslaved sebestiors in their work due to their incredible passion and talent in the sciences.
Omni-Soldier
Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
2166
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Posted - 2013.12.16 18:06:00 -
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Ion Crush wrote:The Amarr attacked the Jove with the intention of conquering and enslaving them. The Jove are neither violent or primitive. The Jove have few numbers and the Amarrians perceived them as weak and easily conquerable.
You also forgot to mention how badly they failed
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
1277
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Posted - 2013.12.16 18:29:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Gallente is like sex. Even bad sex is good. Yup, even that kind.
I could tell you all the wrongs in this post but then you'd learn something & I wouldn't have a warm feeling in my heart knowing one day you just can't hit and quit all them kittens
"The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
8953
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Posted - 2013.12.16 18:31:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Gallente is like sex. Even bad sex is good. Yup, even that kind. I could tell you all the wrongs in this post but then you'd learn something & I wouldn't have a warm feeling in my heart knowing one day you just can't hit and quit all them kittens
I'd rather you didn't tell me everything wrong with your post either, I can see just fine from here.
If Gallente could only go left, they'd still be right.
Vids / O7
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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
4115
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Posted - 2013.12.16 18:32:00 -
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Just some working ideas on new descriptions. I'm no writer but nonetheless I think it gets the point across that each description needs to start out positively, tread on some negatives, then return to some positives.
Amarr
The Amarr Empire is the oldest and largest of the four empires. Based strongly around their religion with their mighty Empress at the head, they believe it is their responsibility to unite all the people of New Eden. To achieve this, they search for primitive worlds and guide them as parents to modern education and standards of living. Part of this guidance involves hardships, which some brutally take too far. In the end, the captured race is welcomed as full citizens among the Amarr Empire. This mass unity of peoples has brought great stability to New Eden.
Minmatar
Once a tribal and primitive people, they were captured by the Amarr many years ago. They believed their parental guidance to be more of a slavery, and rebelled against their oppressors. Through foreign aid, they were able to break free of their bondage with the Amarr Empire and form their own Minmatar Republic. To this day, they still hold onto their tribal ways making them quite aggressive in diplomatic affairs. They have won their freedom against all odds and proudly carry forth their culture into these new days.
Gallente
The second largest of the four empires, the Gallente Federation represents the only true democracy of New Eden. As they took to the stars, they actively searched for all other signs of life and liberated them from their old ways, spreading the ideologies of freedom and individuality across New Eden. With such a large democracy, some corruption has taken root such leading to terrifying treatment of POWs and accepting civilians as collateral during war. Regardless, the Gallente Federation remains the last hope of democracy in New Eden.
Caldari
Caldari State is a capitalistic society run by a number of megacorporations. Once a member of Gallente Federation, the Caldari seceded as they believed the Federation was unfairly taking advantage of their fiscal gains and taking away their cultural identity. While a society run entirely by corporations presents a cold and harsh reality, their culture is founded around the ideals of honor and duty as well as their motto, "All For The Good Of Many."
Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
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Lv2spd2
Slow And Old
125
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Posted - 2013.12.16 18:33:00 -
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Good? Bad? I'm the guy with the gun.
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
1278
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Posted - 2013.12.16 21:15:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Gallente is like sex. Even bad sex is good. Yup, even that kind. I could tell you all the wrongs in this post but then you'd learn something & I wouldn't have a warm feeling in my heart knowing one day you just can't hit and quit all them kittens I'd rather you didn't tell me everything wrong with your post either, I can see just fine from here. If Gallente could only go left, they'd still be right.
+1
"The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
1278
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Posted - 2013.12.16 21:21:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Just some working ideas on new descriptions. I'm no writer but nonetheless I think it gets the point across that each description needs to start out positively, tread on some negatives, then return to some positives.
Amarr
The Amarr Empire is the oldest and largest of the four empires. Based strongly around their religion with their mighty Empress at the head, they believe it is their responsibility to unite all the people of New Eden. To achieve this, they search for primitive worlds and guide them as parents to modern education and standards of living. Part of this guidance involves hardships, which some brutally take too far. In the end, the captured race is welcomed as full citizens among the Amarr Empire. This mass unity of peoples has brought great stability to New Eden.
Minmatar
Once a tribal and primitive people, they were captured by the Amarr many years ago. They believed their parental guidance to be more of a slavery, and rebelled against their oppressors. Through foreign aid, they were able to break free of their bondage with the Amarr Empire and form their own Minmatar Republic. To this day, they still hold onto their tribal ways making them quite aggressive in diplomatic affairs. They have won their freedom against all odds and proudly carry forth their culture into these new days.
Gallente
The second largest of the four empires, the Gallente Federation represents the only true democracy of New Eden. As they took to the stars, they actively searched for all other signs of life and liberated them from their old ways, spreading the ideologies of freedom and individuality across New Eden. With such a large democracy, some corruption has taken root such leading to terrifying treatment of POWs and accepting civilians as collateral during war. Regardless, the Gallente Federation remains the last hope of democracy in New Eden.
Caldari
Caldari State is a capitalistic society run by a number of megacorporations. Once a member of Gallente Federation, the Caldari seceded as they believed the Federation was unfairly taking advantage of their fiscal gains and taking away their cultural identity. While a society run entirely by corporations presents a cold and harsh reality, their culture is founded around the ideals of honor and duty as well as their motto, "All For The Good Of Many."
The Caldari is perfect. The Amarr needs to show that they actually enslaved the minmatar. The Minmatar just need a few minor word changes. And the Gallente needs to be more noon friendly I honestly still don't know what POWs means.
"The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
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Kane Fyea
Scions of Athra
2409
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Posted - 2013.12.16 21:24:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Just some working ideas on new descriptions. I'm no writer but nonetheless I think it gets the point across that each description needs to start out positively, tread on some negatives, then return to some positives.
Amarr
The Amarr Empire is the oldest and largest of the four empires. Based strongly around their religion with their mighty Empress at the head, they believe it is their responsibility to unite all the people of New Eden. To achieve this, they search for primitive worlds and guide them as parents to modern education and standards of living. Part of this guidance involves hardships, which some brutally take too far. In the end, the captured race is welcomed as full citizens among the Amarr Empire. This mass unity of peoples has brought great stability to New Eden.
Minmatar
Once a tribal and primitive people, they were captured by the Amarr many years ago. They believed their parental guidance to be more of a slavery, and rebelled against their oppressors. Through foreign aid, they were able to break free of their bondage with the Amarr Empire and form their own Minmatar Republic. To this day, they still hold onto their tribal ways making them quite aggressive in diplomatic affairs. They have won their freedom against all odds and proudly carry forth their culture into these new days.
Gallente
The second largest of the four empires, the Gallente Federation represents the only true democracy of New Eden. As they took to the stars, they actively searched for all other signs of life and liberated them from their old ways, spreading the ideologies of freedom and individuality across New Eden. With such a large democracy, some corruption has taken root such leading to terrifying treatment of POWs and accepting civilians as collateral during war. Regardless, the Gallente Federation remains the last hope of democracy in New Eden.
Caldari
Caldari State is a capitalistic society run by a number of megacorporations. Once a member of Gallente Federation, the Caldari seceded as they believed the Federation was unfairly taking advantage of their fiscal gains and taking away their cultural identity. While a society run entirely by corporations presents a cold and harsh reality, their culture is founded around the ideals of honor and duty as well as their motto, "All For The Good Of Many." The Caldari is perfect. The Amarr needs to show that they actually enslaved the minmatar. The Minmatar just need a few minor word changes. And the Gallente needs to be more noon friendly I honestly still don't know what POWs means.
POW = Prisoner Of War |
Roger Cordill
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
265
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Posted - 2013.12.16 21:26:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Just some working ideas on new descriptions. I'm no writer but nonetheless I think it gets the point across that each description needs to start out positively, tread on some negatives, then return to some positives.
Amarr
The Amarr Empire is the oldest and largest of the four empires. Based strongly around their religion with their mighty Empress at the head, they believe it is their responsibility to unite all the people of New Eden. To achieve this, they search for primitive worlds and guide them as parents to modern education and standards of living. Part of this guidance involves hardships, which some brutally take too far. In the end, the captured race is welcomed as full citizens among the Amarr Empire. This mass unity of peoples has brought great stability to New Eden.
Minmatar
Once a tribal and primitive people, they were captured by the Amarr many years ago. They believed their parental guidance to be more of a slavery, and rebelled against their oppressors. Through foreign aid, they were able to break free of their bondage with the Amarr Empire and form their own Minmatar Republic. To this day, they still hold onto their tribal ways making them quite aggressive in diplomatic affairs. They have won their freedom against all odds and proudly carry forth their culture into these new days.
Gallente
The second largest of the four empires, the Gallente Federation represents the only true democracy of New Eden. As they took to the stars, they actively searched for all other signs of life and liberated them from their old ways, spreading the ideologies of freedom and individuality across New Eden. With such a large democracy, some corruption has taken root such leading to terrifying treatment of POWs and accepting civilians as collateral during war. Regardless, the Gallente Federation remains the last hope of democracy in New Eden.
Caldari
Caldari State is a capitalistic society run by a number of megacorporations. Once a member of Gallente Federation, the Caldari seceded as they believed the Federation was unfairly taking advantage of their fiscal gains and taking away their cultural identity. While a society run entirely by corporations presents a cold and harsh reality, their culture is founded around the ideals of honor and duty as well as their motto, "All For The Good Of Many." The Caldari is perfect. The Amarr needs to show that they actually enslaved the minmatar. The Minmatar just need a few minor word changes. And the Gallente needs to be more noon friendly I honestly still don't know what POWs means.
POW's means prisoners of war. |
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True Adamance
Scions of Athra
4932
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Posted - 2013.12.16 21:37:00 -
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Roger Cordill wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Just some working ideas on new descriptions. I'm no writer but nonetheless I think it gets the point across that each description needs to start out positively, tread on some negatives, then return to some positives.
Amarr
The Amarr Empire is the oldest and largest of the four empires. Based strongly around their religion with their mighty Empress at the head, they believe it is their responsibility to unite all the people of New Eden. To achieve this, they search for primitive worlds and guide them as parents to modern education and standards of living. Part of this guidance involves hardships, which some brutally take too far. In the end, the captured race is welcomed as full citizens among the Amarr Empire. This mass unity of peoples has brought great stability to New Eden.
Minmatar
Once a tribal and primitive people, they were captured by the Amarr many years ago. They believed their parental guidance to be more of a slavery, and rebelled against their oppressors. Through foreign aid, they were able to break free of their bondage with the Amarr Empire and form their own Minmatar Republic. To this day, they still hold onto their tribal ways making them quite aggressive in diplomatic affairs. They have won their freedom against all odds and proudly carry forth their culture into these new days.
Gallente
The second largest of the four empires, the Gallente Federation represents the only true democracy of New Eden. As they took to the stars, they actively searched for all other signs of life and liberated them from their old ways, spreading the ideologies of freedom and individuality across New Eden. With such a large democracy, some corruption has taken root such leading to terrifying treatment of POWs and accepting civilians as collateral during war. Regardless, the Gallente Federation remains the last hope of democracy in New Eden.
Caldari
Caldari State is a capitalistic society run by a number of megacorporations. Once a member of Gallente Federation, the Caldari seceded as they believed the Federation was unfairly taking advantage of their fiscal gains and taking away their cultural identity. While a society run entirely by corporations presents a cold and harsh reality, their culture is founded around the ideals of honor and duty as well as their motto, "All For The Good Of Many." The Caldari is perfect. The Amarr needs to show that they actually enslaved the minmatar. The Minmatar just need a few minor word changes. And the Gallente needs to be more noon friendly I honestly still don't know what POWs means. POW's means prisoners of war.
See and this is what I think CCP needs in their descriptions, all sound positive, all have one or two negative points which counter balance the good.
The PoW thing is a worrying thing though, glad I brought that to light for everyone.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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Commander Tzu
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
83
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Posted - 2013.12.16 21:55:00 -
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Also, the Caldari actually have democracy. I am a little fuzzy on the details and can look them up again, but basically if you work for a company you have shares of that company, and you can vote during shareholder meetings. Sometimes people sell their votes to certain well-known individuals, or join together to vote as a group over important issues. Plus, I would like to post a part of the Caldari description from the EVE site: "Although this gives the corporations dictatorial powers, they are just as bound by Caldari customs and laws as the individual, and the fierce, continual competition between the corporations ensures a healthy, consumer-based social environment, which benefits everyone."
I am Caldari on DUST and EVE, I will fight to the death to defend my State! |
Michael Hyperthraz
Minmatar Nomads
42
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:03:00 -
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Typical propaganda. Do not let those filthy amarrians to confuse you! |
DeadlyAztec11
2804
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:07:00 -
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The issue I have with the Caldari is that somehow they are big capitalists but all their products are made extremely practical and they do not attempt any sort of marketing to appeal to the masses, there is no competition. The Government is a collective oligarchy that somehow gets things done really easily.
It just sounds so implausible, it is like a society that depends on the fact that everybody just agree with each other for the better of everybody. Which begs the question, what do the CEO's do with all the money they get? I'm under the impression that they either agree to pay very high taxes or they voluntarily pump it back in the state. That's the other thing, they somehow have very low corruption despite having very lax rules about business.
I know they were going with the whole "Space Sparta" deal but even Sparta had a ton of slaves to fuel their economic needs. There biggest similarity is that both Caldari and Sparta were dependant on constant warfare to survive.
The Amarr are alright I guess, but I just personally don't like slavery, but as I said that is my personal issue.
But they did enslave anyone that opposed them, they didn't treat them better because they were more advanced they treated them better if they didn't resist.
Also the way they go about releasing slaves is that it usually takes countless generations of people and the finding of a new race or races to take their place. Although not as evident now, the Amarr economic system used to rely on constant expansion and capture of slaves to fuel their massive Empire. So it was more than a religious desire it was a necessity to expand, conquer and enslave. Not really different from most large Empires in human history; Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire, Russian Empire, Safavid Empire, Mughal Empire and even the Aztec (te-he) Empire; just to name a few.
My alts: GeneralJohnRipper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity, CCP Rarara
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Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training
EoN.
2484
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:11:00 -
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Why are you here? Go to the Intergalactic Summit.
Nobody but other RP'ers care, everyone else is just going to use the race that has the best equipment. (Minmatar, at the moment, that's why we win all the FW matches.)
No, I am not CCP Logibro.
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True Adamance
Scions of Athra
4932
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:16:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Why are you here? Go to the Intergalactic Summit.
Nobody but other RP'ers care, everyone else is just going to use the race that has the best equipment. (Minmatar, at the moment, that's why we win all the FW matches.)
Indeed and that is why FW has failed, there is no market to then show people how valuable Amarrian imperial content becomes.
In EVE in circumstance like this many free lancer then switch to the losing side and farm LP and sell the FW items for massive profits until the other sides content becomes valuable.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
2170
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:18:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Why are you here? Go to the Intergalactic Summit.
Nobody but other RP'ers care, everyone else is just going to use the race that has the best equipment. (Minmatar, at the moment, that's why we win all the FW matches.)
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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DeadlyAztec11
2806
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:19:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Why are you here? Go to the Intergalactic Summit.
Nobody but other RP'ers care, everyone else is just going to use the race that has the best equipment. (Minmatar, at the moment, that's why we win all the FW matches.)
They are convinced that the Amarr and Caldari have a harder time winning in FW because of the way CCP markets the factions.
To be honest it should be backward, more hardcore players should be more prone to pick Caldari and Amarr.
So this all circles back to the fact that most people want to be Gallante and Minmatar while Caldari are third popular and Amarr are the least popular.
My alts: GeneralJohnRipper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity, CCP Rarara
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Badwolf Jones
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
103
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:20:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
See and this is what I think CCP needs in their descriptions, all sound positive, all have one or two negative points which counter balance the good.
The PoW thing is a worrying thing though, glad I brought that to light for everyone.
Just so everyone is aware, each race has their own ways of dealing with information gathering from prisoners. There have been several interesting chronicles written about this, for example here is one about the Amarr:
http://community.eveonline.com/backstory/chronicles/methods-of-torture-the-amarr/ |
True Adamance
Scions of Athra
4934
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:23:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The issue I have with the Caldari is that somehow they are big capitalists but all their products are made extremely practical and they do not attempt any sort of marketing to appeal to the masses, there is no competition. The Government is a collective oligarchy that somehow gets things done really easily.
It just sounds so implausible, it is like a society that depends on the fact that everybody just agree with each other for the better of everybody. Which begs the question, what do the CEO's do with all the money they get? I'm under the impression that they either agree to pay very high taxes or they voluntarily pump it back in the state. That's the other thing, they somehow have very low corruption despite having very lax rules about business.
I know they were going with the whole "Space Sparta" deal but even Sparta had a ton of slaves to fuel their economic needs. There biggest similarity is that both Caldari and Sparta were dependant on constant warfare to survive.
The Amarr are alright I guess, but I just personally don't like slavery, but as I said that is my personal issue.
But they did enslave anyone that opposed them, they didn't treat them better because they were more advanced they treated them better if they didn't resist.
Also the way they go about releasing slaves is that it usually takes countless generations of people and the finding of a new race or races to take their place. Although not as evident now, the Amarr economic system used to rely on constant expansion and capture of slaves to fuel their massive Empire. So it was more than a religious desire it was a necessity to expand, conquer and enslave. Not really different from most large Empires in human history; Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire, Russian Empire, Safavid Empire, Mughal Empire and even the Aztec (te-he) Empire; just to name a few.
I would like to reiterate that this is all my personal opinion.
There is insane competition between the megacorporations as they will fight over patents legally, and behind the scenes... but what irks me about your response is that you seem to think democracy is working in new eden (and less importantly IRL...which it is not doing so great...)
As for the Amarr it is true that they have expanded and their processes of emancipation are slow....however groups like the Ni Kunni spent less than 1 generation enslaved.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
2170
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:25:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Why are you here? Go to the Intergalactic Summit.
Nobody but other RP'ers care, everyone else is just going to use the race that has the best equipment. (Minmatar, at the moment, that's why we win all the FW matches.) Indeed and that is why FW has failed, there is no market to then show people how valuable Amarrian imperial content becomes. In EVE in circumstance like this many free lancer then switch to the losing side and farm LP and sell the FW items for massive profits until the other sides content becomes valuable.
I believe the real problem lies in the fact that CCP decided to release FW 2.0 with out adding a p2p market.
If we had this, then everyone would just trade the gear that they don't use for gear that they do use; irregardless of LP store.
Use Combat Rifles over Rail Rifles? No problem. Just trade your RR and get a CR.
It's exactly like the last FW event, but reversed. Which is utter BS.
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Badwolf Jones wrote:True Adamance wrote:
See and this is what I think CCP needs in their descriptions, all sound positive, all have one or two negative points which counter balance the good.
The PoW thing is a worrying thing though, glad I brought that to light for everyone.
Just so everyone is aware, each race has their own ways of dealing with information gathering from prisoners. There have been several interesting chronicles written about this, for example here is one about the Amarr: http://community.eveonline.com/backstory/chronicles/methods-of-torture-the-amarr/
However as far as I know not other empire champions justice, fair treatment, and human rights so much so as the Gallente, and yet we see examples of physical torture against the male Caldari captured, and **** amongst the women.....
That is a very clear sign that not all in the Federation is the shining example most people seem to have of them. If the Gallente truly do believe in equal right and fair treatment they have no excuse of this poor display.
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Orion Vahid wrote:Lmao. Religious nut jobs and space MERIKA on one side, space Canada and third world countries on the other.
This is my point. The Amarr aren't nut jobs, they just believe in a God, which is not better or worse than anyone else's beliefs, whether or not you agree with faith you cannot condemn it.
Ever man or woman can choose to have hope.
(IRL I could understand why people believe in whatever they do, its a pretty nice way of looking at things, to have hope that things can always be better. I simply don't, doesn't mean I think they are crazy or foolish....I'm young and there are a lot of things I don't understand, it would almost be too easy to call them nut jobs....)
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I don't give 2 ***** about the "brutal" culture of the minmatar, but caldari and gallente are the same from what I understand.
Just the caldari are honest assholes, while the gallente are assholes with masks on.
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I like the descriptions but the amarr one seems like its trying to twist the slavery angle into soething else, idk might have just been the way you said it.
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gbghg wrote:I like the descriptions but the amarr one seems like its trying to twist the slavery angle into soething else, idk might have just been the way you said it.
That's pretty much it, what we know as slavery is something entirely different, our social climate abhors it, but several hundred years ago it was what it was, several thousand it was necessary, tribes and clans would fight, make slaves of their enemies ( might I point out like the Minmatar did in antiquity) for the continued cycle of their existence, as warriors protected them, women produced the finished good of the raw materials the slaves would harvest.
New Eden isn't like our world its equally as brutal and violent as those ages of antiquity were.
The only moral compass we can draw from is our own we have developed IRL....but that is not cut out for life in New Eden. Basically I figure if we, as we are now, lived in New Eden we would all be dead within the week, or worse.
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True Adamance wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The issue I have with the Caldari is that somehow they are big capitalists but all their products are made extremely practical and they do not attempt any sort of marketing to appeal to the masses, there is no competition. The Government is a collective oligarchy that somehow gets things done really easily.
It just sounds so implausible, it is like a society that depends on the fact that everybody just agree with each other for the better of everybody. Which begs the question, what do the CEO's do with all the money they get? I'm under the impression that they either agree to pay very high taxes or they voluntarily pump it back in the state. That's the other thing, they somehow have very low corruption despite having very lax rules about business.
I know they were going with the whole "Space Sparta" deal but even Sparta had a ton of slaves to fuel their economic needs. There biggest similarity is that both Caldari and Sparta were dependant on constant warfare to survive.
The Amarr are alright I guess, but I just personally don't like slavery, but as I said that is my personal issue.
But they did enslave anyone that opposed them, they didn't treat them better because they were more advanced they treated them better if they didn't resist.
Also the way they go about releasing slaves is that it usually takes countless generations of people and the finding of a new race or races to take their place. Although not as evident now, the Amarr economic system used to rely on constant expansion and capture of slaves to fuel their massive Empire. So it was more than a religious desire it was a necessity to expand, conquer and enslave. Not really different from most large Empires in human history; Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire, Russian Empire, Safavid Empire, Mughal Empire and even the Aztec (te-he) Empire; just to name a few.
I would like to reiterate that this is all my personal opinion. There is insane competition between the megacorporations as they will fight over patents legally, and behind the scenes... but what irks me about your response is that you seem to think democracy is working in new eden (and less importantly IRL...which it is not doing so great...) As for the Amarr it is true that they have expanded and their processes of emancipation are slow....however groups like the Ni Kunni spent less than 1 generation enslaved.
I didn't even use the word democracy or democratic in the entire response. Democracy in the real world is far from perfect but just about all forms of government that proceeded it were worse for the general populations that were under it. The only reason representative democracy works is because of checks & balances. That way if one part of the government does something stupid at least the other parts of the government can stop them, usually.
You want to know why I chose the Gallante? They have the biggest variety, they do a little of everything. They have multiple religions, corporations, cultures and beliefs. By going Gallante I can choose any of the themes of the other races. And that is pretty cool. So why limit yourself when you can choose a race that allows you to expand your horizon in any direction you wish. I don't want one piece of paper I want the entire notebook.
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Copied this from another thread:
I always wish I could edit those descriptions, even if only to add the following TL;DR's to relate to the real world;
1) Amarr: I'll go with the above part about Rome, etc. (In another post of the original thread they mentioned how the Amarr were like ancient rome who assimlated other cultures into their own and tried to bring them up to "roman" standards)
2) Gallente: Herp derp freeeeeedom. Think George W. Bush's America with even more drug cartels, torture and paternalist imperialism, but less religion. (Maybe calling it DIckCheney's america would be even better, lol)
3) Caldari: Pure unabashed capitalism, rebelled from the Gallente because they were treated like second class citizens or even illegal immigrants
4) Minmatar: A brutish race ruled by tribal customs forced to work as indentured servants by the Amarr in a heavy-handed attempt to "civilize" them.
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:True Adamance wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The issue I have with the Caldari is that somehow they are big capitalists but all their products are made extremely practical and they do not attempt any sort of marketing to appeal to the masses, there is no competition. The Government is a collective oligarchy that somehow gets things done really easily.
It just sounds so implausible, it is like a society that depends on the fact that everybody just agree with each other for the better of everybody. Which begs the question, what do the CEO's do with all the money they get? I'm under the impression that they either agree to pay very high taxes or they voluntarily pump it back in the state. That's the other thing, they somehow have very low corruption despite having very lax rules about business.
I know they were going with the whole "Space Sparta" deal but even Sparta had a ton of slaves to fuel their economic needs. There biggest similarity is that both Caldari and Sparta were dependant on constant warfare to survive.
The Amarr are alright I guess, but I just personally don't like slavery, but as I said that is my personal issue.
But they did enslave anyone that opposed them, they didn't treat them better because they were more advanced they treated them better if they didn't resist.
Also the way they go about releasing slaves is that it usually takes countless generations of people and the finding of a new race or races to take their place. Although not as evident now, the Amarr economic system used to rely on constant expansion and capture of slaves to fuel their massive Empire. So it was more than a religious desire it was a necessity to expand, conquer and enslave. Not really different from most large Empires in human history; Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire, Russian Empire, Safavid Empire, Mughal Empire and even the Aztec (te-he) Empire; just to name a few.
I would like to reiterate that this is all my personal opinion. There is insane competition between the megacorporations as they will fight over patents legally, and behind the scenes... but what irks me about your response is that you seem to think democracy is working in new eden (and less importantly IRL...which it is not doing so great...) As for the Amarr it is true that they have expanded and their processes of emancipation are slow....however groups like the Ni Kunni spent less than 1 generation enslaved. I didn't even use the word democracy or democratic in the entire response. Democracy in the real world is far from perfect but just about all forms of government that proceeded it were worse for the general populations that were under it. The only reason representative democracy works is because of checks & balances. That way if one part of the government does something stupid at least the other parts of the government can stop them, usually. You want to know why I chose the Gallante? They have the biggest variety, they do a little of everything. They have multiple religions, corporations, cultures and beliefs. By going Gallante I can choose any of the themes of the other races. And that is pretty cool. So why limit yourself when you can choose a race that allows you to expand your horizon in any direction you wish. I don't want one piece of paper I want the entire notebook.
But that's the value of creativity, even as an Amarrian I could choose any theme I wished to from new eden and theme a character in that sense, I could have made him positive towards the Gallente, seeing the merits of diverse though as opposed to uniform thought, and since the Amarr celebrate individuality it would have been cake to slip True in there.
Frankly speaking every racial group has endless opportunities to expand in New Eden.
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LOL at people who say "I didn't choose Amarr because I don't like slavery, but that's a personal issue." As if people who choose Amarr support slavery 
Though I understand if you personally have a hard time distinguishing the difference between Amarr "slavery" and 16th/17th century slavery on Earth. Hint, one of them is only called "slavery" by their enemies to attack them, when in actuality the "slaves" are given proper education, proper health care, infrastructure on their homeworlds, rights to retain their culture, respect, and are usually freed within one generation.
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gbghg wrote:I like the descriptions but the amarr one seems like its trying to twist the slavery angle into soething else, idk might have just been the way you said it.
See above. People here the word "slavery" and immediately associate it with all these predetermined thoughts. Amarr "slavery" isn't remotely similar to what so many people here instantly believe it is.
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:
The Caldari is perfect. The Amarr needs to show that they actually enslaved the minmatar. The Minmatar just need a few minor word changes. And the Gallente needs to be more noon friendly I honestly still don't know what POWs means.
I want to avoid the word slavery as people will instantly draw conclusions that are not accurate. Especially considering that in Amarr slaverly, the slaves are given proper nutrition, proper education, proper healthcare, infrastructure on their homeworlds, rights to retain aspects of their culture, and are usually freed within a generation. Those who treat their slaves poorly are sentenced to slavery itself. It's hardly what people see it as. And I do refer to it as slavery in the Minmatar description.
But yes, the negatives of Amarr is that there are those slave owners who treat their slaves brutally and don't get caught, but that is not representative of Amarr in general. There is an Imperial Decree against such brutality. Those slave owners are to be thought of as criminals. Still a negative of Amarr, but again not representative of Amarr belief.
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:
The Caldari is perfect. The Amarr needs to show that they actually enslaved the minmatar. The Minmatar just need a few minor word changes. And the Gallente needs to be more noon friendly I honestly still don't know what POWs means.
I want to avoid the word slavery as people will instantly draw conclusions that are not accurate. Especially considering that in Amarr slaverly, the slaves are given proper nutrition, proper education, proper healthcare, infrastructure on their homeworlds, rights to retain aspects of their culture, and are usually freed within a generation. Those who treat their slaves poorly are sentenced to slavery itself. It's hardly what people see it as. And I do refer to it as slavery in the Minmatar description. But yes, the negatives of Amarr is that there are those slave owners who treat their slaves brutally and don't get caught, but that is not representative of Amarr in general. There is an Imperial Decree against such brutality. Those slave owners are to be thought of as criminals. Still a negative of Amarr, but again not representative of Amarr belief.
Ever heard of Janissaries?
Do a little research on them. They had immense amount of freedom and even power back in middle east. Yet despite that they were still slaves.
My real issue with the Amarr is not so much slavery, it is why they enslave and how they feel about everybody else. I just don't like the way they act and how they believe they are so superior.
For example I like Sansha's Nation, had they been a playable faction I would have chosen them without a second thought. I also like the Khanid, they enslave anybody they can, not for religious reasons or because they feel superior, no they do it because they want to make money. The Romans for example did not enslave people for the reason that they wanted to change or convert others, it is true that they enslaved people because they were "barbarians", they did it for the purpose of labor, a necessary evil of sorts. I suppose that the fact that the Amarr don't admit that is a turn off.
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Posted - 2013.12.17 00:26:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:
The Caldari is perfect. The Amarr needs to show that they actually enslaved the minmatar. The Minmatar just need a few minor word changes. And the Gallente needs to be more noon friendly I honestly still don't know what POWs means.
I want to avoid the word slavery as people will instantly draw conclusions that are not accurate. Especially considering that in Amarr slaverly, the slaves are given proper nutrition, proper education, proper healthcare, infrastructure on their homeworlds, rights to retain aspects of their culture, and are usually freed within a generation. Those who treat their slaves poorly are sentenced to slavery itself. It's hardly what people see it as. And I do refer to it as slavery in the Minmatar description. But yes, the negatives of Amarr is that there are those slave owners who treat their slaves brutally and don't get caught, but that is not representative of Amarr in general. There is an Imperial Decree against such brutality. Those slave owners are to be thought of as criminals. Still a negative of Amarr, but again not representative of Amarr belief. Ever heard of Janissaries? Do a little research on them. They had immense amount of freedom and even power back in middle east. Yet despite that they were still slaves. My real issue with the Amarr is not so much slavery, it is why they enslave and how they feel about everybody else. I just don't like the way they act and how they believe they are so superior. For example I like Sansha's Nation, had they been a playable faction I would have chosen them without a second thought. I also like the Khanid, they enslave anybody they can, not for religious reasons or because they feel superior, no they do it because they want to make money. The Romans for example did not enslave people for the reason that they wanted to change or convert others, it is true that they enslaved people because they were "barbarians", they did it for the purpose of labor, a necessary evil of sorts. I suppose that the fact that the Amarr don't admit that is a turn off.
Its a turn off that they are the only group that supports the unity of mankind?
Anywho.....about the Nation....check True's first corp......lol might enlighten you as to the original orgins of my name....
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Aero Yassavi wrote:LOL at people who say "I didn't choose Amarr because I don't like slavery, but that's a personal issue." As if people who choose Amarr support slavery Though I understand if you personally have a hard time distinguishing the difference between Amarr "slavery" and 16th/17th century slavery on Earth. Hint, one of them is only called "slavery" by their enemies to attack them, when in actuality the "slaves" are given proper education, proper health care, infrastructure on their homeworlds, rights to retain their culture, respect, and are usually freed within one generation.
Exactly, I chose amarr cause I thought they looked like the Coolest race....I didn't even read the description about them
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For everyone's education.
Slavery for a long time was not the slavery we had in America. Read up on Portugese slave codes, which is where we adopted them from. Slavery in Africa, which is where the majority of slaves were bought from, was not about race, it was about spoils of war. I capture you in tribal fighting, you are now my slave. Also, you weren't a slave for life, you were a slave for a set period of time. And any children you had were not slaves, since they had not been captured. They were as free as any other nonslave.
The Portugese, needing a perpetual work force to have labor for their sugar crops in the Carribean, created "slave codes" which stated that slavery was based on race, you were a slave for life, and slavery was inherited from the parents.
Originally in America, we had no idea how to treat slaves. There are documents showing that some slaves were able to sue their masters for mistreatment and win. But then we adopted the slave codes of the Portugese to have labor for growing tobacco and after that, cotton. Thus we have the idea of slavery as this awful thing, which it truly was. But it wasn't always the way it is shown now. We turned it into that.
The Amarr treat their slaves better than we have ever seen slaves treated here on Earth. Hell, the Anmatar liked them so much they joined up with them.
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:LOL at people who say "I didn't choose Amarr because I don't like slavery, but that's a personal issue." As if people who choose Amarr support slavery Though I understand if you personally have a hard time distinguishing the difference between Amarr "slavery" and 16th/17th century slavery on Earth. Hint, one of them is only called "slavery" by their enemies to attack them, when in actuality the "slaves" are given proper education, proper health care, infrastructure on their homeworlds, rights to retain their culture, respect, and are usually freed within one generation. Exactly, I chose amarr cause I thought they looked like the Coolest race....I didn't even read the description about them
If I knew the Gallante were going to be 4 eyed ugly SOB's I would have probably went Caldari lol
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Templar One gives a nice insight inespecially the amarrian and matari behavior and life, you'd be surprised by reading it, seriously.
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:LOL at people who say "I didn't choose Amarr because I don't like slavery, but that's a personal issue." As if people who choose Amarr support slavery Though I understand if you personally have a hard time distinguishing the difference between Amarr "slavery" and 16th/17th century slavery on Earth. Hint, one of them is only called "slavery" by their enemies to attack them, when in actuality the "slaves" are given proper education, proper health care, infrastructure on their homeworlds, rights to retain their culture, respect, and are usually freed within one generation. Exactly, I chose amarr cause I thought they looked like the Coolest race....I didn't even read the description about them If I knew the Gallante were going to be 4 eyed ugly SOB's I would have probably went Caldari lol
Lol my first toon was gallente cause I read eh description and was like "it's a space 'murika, definitely going for 'murika" :p
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The Amarr's slavery is just as terrible as it sounds. They used to enslave absolutely everyone they came across that didn't immediately accept their religion, often times not even asking them if they would before beginning the process of enslavement. Not only that, they aren't required to free their slaves. They're encouraged to release their slaves when they feel that their slaves have properly embraced the faith, but they get to decide that, plus the slaves are forcefully converted, too. Most slaves are never emancipated unless they act like loyal dogs to the Amarr faith. Other than the Amarr's views on slavery and their dogmatic approach to religion, they're not so bad, though.
I've never viewed the Caldari as evil. They're just highly capitalistic. Of course, having the State run by corporate executives... there's just so much wrong with that idea. Despite that, the Caldari are pretty fair. I actually like the Caldari for the most part, especially now that Tibus Heth is gone.
The Gallente act like Americans. Highly individualistic, a lot of focus on personal liberties and entertainment, with a constant internal struggle between liberty and security within the Federation itself. For the most part, the Gallente are the most fair when it comes to civil and personal freedom, which is why I like them the most.
The Minmatar Republic is full of corruption, perhaps even more so than the Caldari. Their tribal views are also in conflict with the rest of the cluster, and they are deeply motivated by retribution. They're willing to attack their own allies to achieve revenge against a single man. The only reason I can tolerate the Minmatar is because they're allies with the Federation. I sympathize due to their former enslavement at the hands of the Amarr, but that's all. Other than that, I have nothing but contempt for them.
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:The Amarr's slavery is just as terrible as it sounds. They used to enslave absolutely everyone they came across that didn't immediately accept their religion, often times not even asking them if they would before beginning the process of enslavement. Not only that, they aren't required to free their slaves. They're encouraged to release their slaves when they feel that their slaves have properly embraced the faith, but they get to decide that, plus the slaves are forcefully converted, too. Most slaves are never emancipated unless they act like loyal dogs to the Amarr faith. Other than the Amarr's views on slavery and their dogmatic approach to religion, they're not so bad, though.
Its not nearly as terrible as it sounds. Slaves are cared for and treated better than most of those in Gallentean slums could ever hope for, they are educated in the ways of the Amarr, which is not such a bad thing, considering most lessons would be on Amarrian culture and history, it also makes sense because no racial groups educations systems are impartial.
Holder's aren't required to free slaves though they consider it their sacred duty to strive to have those under their care accept the Amarrian faith. Again not so bad, eventually exposure to one cultural group or another rubs off one people (we are now exception IRL) most Minmatar slaves spend their lives being educated this way, much like many free Minmatar come to the opposite conclusion. Such is just how you were raised. There are no lies in this education, in the same manner Amarr are educated so too are the slaves.
Do you wish to mention that there are example of Minmatar returning to the Republic, holding their ceremonies because they continue to embrace the faith being abused and killed for their choices?
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Posted - 2013.12.17 02:21:00 -
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Yeah, I think the American south is a much worse parallel to the Amarr than say, Ancient Rome and their assimilation of other races and "romanizing" them. Although, the best analogy is probably the misguided but non-malevolent "white man's burden" of the Victorian-era British empire.
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Posted - 2013.12.17 02:26:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Yeah, I think the American south is a much worse parallel to the Amarr than say, Ancient Rome and their assimilation of other races and "romanizing" them. Although, the best analogy is probably the misguided but non-malevolent "white man's burden" of the Victorian-era British empire.
You probably shouldn't use terms such as "white man" when describing the Amarr as such terms are mostly used when discussing racism, which the Amarr are certainly not. In fact, the Amarr Empire is very ethnically diverse, second only to the Gallente Federation. Contrary to popular belief, the Amarr are very accepting of other races and culture practices, of course the catch is they are strict on religious views.
However, at least there are no tensions between the various races in the Amarr Empire, except maybe between the True Amarr and Khanid which is only a very mild tension. Meanwhile in the Gallente Federation, tensions have never been higher between Gallente bloodlines and Matari bloodlines (those Matari that are Federation citizens). Quite frankly, most Gallenteans don't like, or even hate, the Matari immigrants.
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John Demonsbane wrote:3) Caldari: Pure unabashed capitalism, rebelled from the Gallente because they were treated like second class citizens or even illegal immigrants
This was definitely a disgusting travesty to be sure, and I assure you, I too am equally enraged with my ancestors treatment of the Caldari. To actually assume them to be sentient creatures capable of complex thought was wrong of us, and for that, we deeply apologize.
Vids / O7
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First Prophet
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
1337
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Posted - 2013.12.17 02:31:00 -
[57] - Quote
Sell harder.
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True Adamance
Scions of Athra
4951
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Posted - 2013.12.17 02:33:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:3) Caldari: Pure unabashed capitalism, rebelled from the Gallente because they were treated like second class citizens or even illegal immigrants
This was definitely a disgusting travesty to be sure, and I assure you, I too am equally enraged with my ancestors treatment of the Caldari. To actually assume them to be sentient creatures capable of complex thought was wrong of us, and for that, we deeply apologize.
And this is the prime example of the standard Gallentean.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
9003
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Posted - 2013.12.17 02:38:00 -
[59] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:3) Caldari: Pure unabashed capitalism, rebelled from the Gallente because they were treated like second class citizens or even illegal immigrants
This was definitely a disgusting travesty to be sure, and I assure you, I too am equally enraged with my ancestors treatment of the Caldari. To actually assume them to be sentient creatures capable of complex thought was wrong of us, and for that, we deeply apologize. And this is the prime example of the standard Gallentean.
I'm just an upstanding citizen in a dark and cruel universe that's desperate to be liberated from the under evolved and less developed
Vids / O7
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True Adamance
Scions of Athra
4951
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Posted - 2013.12.17 02:42:00 -
[60] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:True Adamance wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:3) Caldari: Pure unabashed capitalism, rebelled from the Gallente because they were treated like second class citizens or even illegal immigrants
This was definitely a disgusting travesty to be sure, and I assure you, I too am equally enraged with my ancestors treatment of the Caldari. To actually assume them to be sentient creatures capable of complex thought was wrong of us, and for that, we deeply apologize. And this is the prime example of the standard Gallentean. I'm just an upstanding citizen in a dark and cruel universe that's desperate to be liberated from the under evolved and less developed
As many people have said to me, I shall adjust my comment for you...
"No one wants your (Faith) Freedom!"
Comment is an insult as well, scum like you shame the Gallente.
People like Arkena, Jakar, etc those are you Gallentean elite...the rest of you are disappointments.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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DeadlyAztec11
2814
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Posted - 2013.12.17 02:49:00 -
[61] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:The Amarr's slavery is just as terrible as it sounds. They used to enslave absolutely everyone they came across that didn't immediately accept their religion, often times not even asking them if they would before beginning the process of enslavement. Not only that, they aren't required to free their slaves. They're encouraged to release their slaves when they feel that their slaves have properly embraced the faith, but they get to decide that, plus the slaves are forcefully converted, too. Most slaves are never emancipated unless they act like loyal dogs to the Amarr faith. Other than the Amarr's views on slavery and their dogmatic approach to religion, they're not so bad, though.
Its not nearly as terrible as it sounds. Slaves are cared for and treated better than most of those in Gallentean slums could ever hope for, they are educated in the ways of the Amarr, which is not such a bad thing, considering most lessons would be on Amarrian culture and history, it also makes sense because no racial groups educations systems are impartial. Holder's aren't required to free slaves though they consider it their sacred duty to strive to have those under their care accept the Amarrian faith. Again not so bad, eventually exposure to one cultural group or another rubs off one people (we are now exception IRL) most Minmatar slaves spend their lives being educated this way, much like many free Minmatar come to the opposite conclusion. Such is just how you were raised. There are no lies in this education, in the same manner Amarr are educated so too are the slaves. Do you wish to mention that there are example of Minmatar returning to the Republic, holding their ceremonies because they continue to embrace the faith being abused and killed for their choices?
We'll the slaves might be treated "well" but they are treated well in the same respect as toy poodles and ponies are treated well. There owners can punish them as they see fit, within Amarrian law, and can even change their names if they want. They separate families and limit the exposure of people to certain groups in an attempt of de facto breeding. They are property. You make it sound like they are Janissaries, but at least Janissaries could hold high positions in politics and were paid, they were also allowed to marry freely into the families of high and low classes. No they are not like indentured servants, indentured servants were under contracts or they had fallen into debt with the understanding of what could happen.
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Jillian Chastot
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
5
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Posted - 2013.12.17 02:53:00 -
[62] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:Gallente is like sex. Even bad sex is good. Yup, even that kind.
Sex drugs and alcohol
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
9005
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Posted - 2013.12.17 02:55:00 -
[63] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:As many people have said to me, I shall adjust my comment for you...
"No one wants your (Faith) Freedom!"
Comment is an insult as well, scum like you shame the Gallente.
People like Arkena, Jakar, etc those are you Gallentean elite...the rest of you are disappointments.
What's that? I couldn't hear you over your Gods astounding lack of existence
Vids / O7
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True Adamance
Scions of Athra
4952
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Posted - 2013.12.17 02:56:00 -
[64] - Quote
DeadlyAztec11 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:The Amarr's slavery is just as terrible as it sounds. They used to enslave absolutely everyone they came across that didn't immediately accept their religion, often times not even asking them if they would before beginning the process of enslavement. Not only that, they aren't required to free their slaves. They're encouraged to release their slaves when they feel that their slaves have properly embraced the faith, but they get to decide that, plus the slaves are forcefully converted, too. Most slaves are never emancipated unless they act like loyal dogs to the Amarr faith. Other than the Amarr's views on slavery and their dogmatic approach to religion, they're not so bad, though.
Its not nearly as terrible as it sounds. Slaves are cared for and treated better than most of those in Gallentean slums could ever hope for, they are educated in the ways of the Amarr, which is not such a bad thing, considering most lessons would be on Amarrian culture and history, it also makes sense because no racial groups educations systems are impartial. Holder's aren't required to free slaves though they consider it their sacred duty to strive to have those under their care accept the Amarrian faith. Again not so bad, eventually exposure to one cultural group or another rubs off one people (we are now exception IRL) most Minmatar slaves spend their lives being educated this way, much like many free Minmatar come to the opposite conclusion. Such is just how you were raised. There are no lies in this education, in the same manner Amarr are educated so too are the slaves. Do you wish to mention that there are example of Minmatar returning to the Republic, holding their ceremonies because they continue to embrace the faith being abused and killed for their choices? We'll the slaves might be treated "well" but they are treated well in the same respect as toy poodles and ponies are treated well. There owners can punish them as they see fit, within Amarrian law, and can even change their names if they want. They separate families and limit the exposure of people to certain groups in an attempt of de facto breeding. They are property. You make it sound like they are Janissaries, but at least Janissaries could hold high positions in politics and were paid, they were also allowed to marry freely into the families of high and low classes. No they are not like indentured servants, indentured servants were under contracts or they had fallen into debt with the understanding of what could happen.
I fail to see your point. I do not respect you (IC not at all OCC sure) but I am not mistreating you......
Example of Holders exploiting their slaves and subjects are records of public history with those corrupt Holders being subject to slavery themselves or the rulings of the Speakers of Truth.....Articio Kor Azor is a prime example of this, who mended his ways post ruling, and has since gone on to work closely with the development of the Anmatar.
As for the breeding of Kamieras...well I cannot say that is not unkind, but love is irrelevant in the service of God, something must be done, and siring such strong and noble warriors is a higher honour than many realise.
However in Amarrian society no low born citizens marry into the upper echelon, such is the bane of being nobility and holding together the greatest empire in existence. Marriage between Minmatar and Amarr is not common, but not uncommon though. The low born like myself are very luck. I will get to marry who I choose one day....
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
4145
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Posted - 2013.12.17 02:56:00 -
[65] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:True Adamance wrote:As many people have said to me, I shall adjust my comment for you...
"No one wants your (Faith) Freedom!"
Comment is an insult as well, scum like you shame the Gallente.
People like Arkena, Jakar, etc those are you Gallentean elite...the rest of you are disappointments. What's that? I couldn't hear you over your Gods astounding lack of existence
Comments like this only show that you are a close minded individual and incapable of performing a proper argument.
Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
9006
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Posted - 2013.12.17 02:59:00 -
[66] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:True Adamance wrote:As many people have said to me, I shall adjust my comment for you...
"No one wants your (Faith) Freedom!"
Comment is an insult as well, scum like you shame the Gallente.
People like Arkena, Jakar, etc those are you Gallentean elite...the rest of you are disappointments. What's that? I couldn't hear you over your Gods astounding lack of existence Comments like this only show that you are a close minded individual and incapable of performing a proper argument.
I would attempt such a feat, but I was told not to stoop to other peoples levels, so I must hold fast. Just because your people have yet to enter the future, does not mean that I must help you up. There's a reason you side with the Caldari, but...I should stop the insults for now. A pack of dogs is still a threat when riled up too much.
Vids / O7
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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
4145
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Posted - 2013.12.17 03:00:00 -
[67] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:
I would attempt such a feat, but I was told not to stoop to other peoples levels, so I must hold fast. Just because your people have yet to enter the future, does not mean that I must help you up. There's a reason you side with the Caldari, but...I should stop the insults for now. A pack of dogs is still a threat when riled up too much.
Please don't.
Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
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True Adamance
Scions of Athra
4955
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Posted - 2013.12.17 03:02:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:True Adamance wrote:As many people have said to me, I shall adjust my comment for you...
"No one wants your (Faith) Freedom!"
Comment is an insult as well, scum like you shame the Gallente.
People like Arkena, Jakar, etc those are you Gallentean elite...the rest of you are disappointments. What's that? I couldn't hear you over your Gods astounding lack of existence Comments like this only show that you are a close minded individual and incapable of performing a proper argument. I would attempt such a feat, but I was told not to stoop to other peoples levels, so I must hold fast. Just because your people have yet to enter the future, does not mean that I must help you up. There's a reason you side with the Caldari, but...I should stop the insults for now. A pack of dogs is still a threat when riled up too much.
See and that is the ignorance of the Gallente. Faith, cultural advancement, scientific advancement are not mutually exclusive. All in balance creates the Empire we have today.
While your people were scrabbling around forming the pitiful excuse of an empire you control today the Amarr were conquerors like no others.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
4145
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Posted - 2013.12.17 03:02:00 -
[69] - Quote
True, stop feeding the troll.
Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
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sira draco
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.12.17 03:05:00 -
[70] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:Just going to copy/paste this from another thread, figure it could use a little more attention. Note that it may sound like I am portraying the Amarr and Caldari as pure good and Gallente and Minmatar are pure evil, but that is not the case. Since everyone seems to believe the opposite, I thought I'd bring out some points refuting, that is all. No one is trying to mask anything, this is simply how things are. And no, you don't have to be a reformist to believe Amarr and Caldari have plenty of good sides. Try to keep an open mind on the matter. DeadlyAztec11 wrote:
No matter how you mask it, the Amarr are religious conquers that enslave people. While the Caldari are large government people that control their citizens with something akin to janisariers and serfdom, as well as their leaders are large corporate capitalists.
To go beyond that you would need to make explanations for the Caldari and Amarr much more lengthy.
When you start to get more into the story the lines between right and wrong start to blur, but even then the Caldari and Amarr are still seen as somewhat bad guys.
I know I was originally going to choose Amarr, my thinking was, "These guys are like Crusaders in space, on a mission from the divine... o.O". Then I read they enslaved people and I said "**** that, I hate social injustice like that.".
Then I read about the Caldari and thought "Wow, space Communists! Cool!", BUT!- I then did EXTRA research online and realized that they weren't communists at all and thought "These guys aren't even trying to really help people, they are just what would happen if Japan was administered by Wal-Mart and they all decided to look like grey communists".
The CaldarI and Amarr just aren't appealing unless you want to be an antagonist, or possibly if you want to be a reformer, IE an Amarr that wants to free the slaves or a Caldari that wants more social liberties.
But let me ask you True, how would you have written the descriptions?
You see, True, it's people like this who make all your efforts null. "No matter how you mask it"? We're not trying to mask anything. The Amarr don't just go an enslave anyone willy nilly. All the races they enslave are primitive and aggressive. That does not exclude the Minmatar, who are perhaps the most violent culture New Eden has ever seen. When Amarr "enslaves" them (really, they are guiding them as a parent figure) they transform them into more peaceful human beings that bring more stability to New Eden. Oh and yeah, Amarr are all about peace and stability among New Eden, that is the whole premise of their religion and it is also evident by how they are watching over the other three empires. And you're right, Caldari aren't space communists. In fact, they are space capitalists which is the EXACT opposite. And where do you get that they are trying to hate people? Oh and guess what? Amarr does free all their slaves, that is part of their culture, it is not the acts of reformists. Oh and guess what? Caldari do have social liberties, it is part of their culture, it is not the acts of reformists. Meanwhile, you have the Minmatar who as already stated are perhaps the most brutal culture New Eden has ever seen and you have the Gallente who have a sincere lack of respect for human life the main thing keeping their economy afloat is the drug cartel, they treat their POW's worse than anything you've heard of on Earth, and they willingly accept their citizens as "collateral damage" if it means capturing the enemy.
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True Adamance
Scions of Athra
4955
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Posted - 2013.12.17 03:05:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:True, stop feeding the troll.
Trolls have no effect on me.
Considering I was the biggest troll Dark Souls ever saw....or atleast I like to think so....forcing 9 (confirmed) players to quit the game due to my success at Gravelording, and general douche baggery both in game and in the hate mail responding game....I know their tricks.
It doesn't matter how much he argues, I know I am right.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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True Adamance
Scions of Athra
4955
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Posted - 2013.12.17 03:06:00 -
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sira draco wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Just going to copy/paste this from another thread, figure it could use a little more attention. Note that it may sound like I am portraying the Amarr and Caldari as pure good and Gallente and Minmatar are pure evil, but that is not the case. Since everyone seems to believe the opposite, I thought I'd bring out some points refuting, that is all. No one is trying to mask anything, this is simply how things are. And no, you don't have to be a reformist to believe Amarr and Caldari have plenty of good sides. Try to keep an open mind on the matter. DeadlyAztec11 wrote:
No matter how you mask it, the Amarr are religious conquers that enslave people. While the Caldari are large government people that control their citizens with something akin to janisariers and serfdom, as well as their leaders are large corporate capitalists.
To go beyond that you would need to make explanations for the Caldari and Amarr much more lengthy.
When you start to get more into the story the lines between right and wrong start to blur, but even then the Caldari and Amarr are still seen as somewhat bad guys.
I know I was originally going to choose Amarr, my thinking was, "These guys are like Crusaders in space, on a mission from the divine... o.O". Then I read they enslaved people and I said "**** that, I hate social injustice like that.".
Then I read about the Caldari and thought "Wow, space Communists! Cool!", BUT!- I then did EXTRA research online and realized that they weren't communists at all and thought "These guys aren't even trying to really help people, they are just what would happen if Japan was administered by Wal-Mart and they all decided to look like grey communists".
The CaldarI and Amarr just aren't appealing unless you want to be an antagonist, or possibly if you want to be a reformer, IE an Amarr that wants to free the slaves or a Caldari that wants more social liberties.
But let me ask you True, how would you have written the descriptions?
You see, True, it's people like this who make all your efforts null. "No matter how you mask it"? We're not trying to mask anything. The Amarr don't just go an enslave anyone willy nilly. All the races they enslave are primitive and aggressive. That does not exclude the Minmatar, who are perhaps the most violent culture New Eden has ever seen. When Amarr "enslaves" them (really, they are guiding them as a parent figure) they transform them into more peaceful human beings that bring more stability to New Eden. Oh and yeah, Amarr are all about peace and stability among New Eden, that is the whole premise of their religion and it is also evident by how they are watching over the other three empires. And you're right, Caldari aren't space communists. In fact, they are space capitalists which is the EXACT opposite. And where do you get that they are trying to hate people? Oh and guess what? Amarr does free all their slaves, that is part of their culture, it is not the acts of reformists. Oh and guess what? Caldari do have social liberties, it is part of their culture, it is not the acts of reformists. Meanwhile, you have the Minmatar who as already stated are perhaps the most brutal culture New Eden has ever seen and you have the Gallente who have a sincere lack of respect for human life the main thing keeping their economy afloat is the drug cartel, they treat their POW's worse than anything you've heard of on Earth, and they willingly accept their citizens as "collateral damage" if it means capturing the enemy. I 'm a mercenary, I care nothing for politics or religion I fight for the empires that give me the gear and money I need
Great how much do I have to pay you to **** off now?
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
9006
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Posted - 2013.12.17 03:08:00 -
[73] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:True, stop feeding the troll. Trolls have no effect on me. Considering I was the biggest troll Dark Souls ever saw....or atleast I like to think so....forcing 9 (confirmed) players to quit the game due to my success at Gravelording, and general douche baggery both in game and in the hate mail responding game....I know their tricks. It doesn't matter how much he argues, I know I am right.
It's just RP fun anyways
Vids / O7
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True Adamance
Scions of Athra
4958
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Posted - 2013.12.17 03:13:00 -
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Man some people need to put New Eden into context.
Be thankful you guys aren't playing a Warhammer 40k game where the 1000 humans a day are sacrificed to the Emperor on the Golden Throne to ensure his continued survival and his almost omnipotent psychic potential to guide humanity through the vastness of space where innumerable monsters, aliens, malign gods, and implacable enemies await man kind, ready to tear it apart at a moments notice....
Above is ******* terrifying.....democracy does not hold humanity together. The Will of the Emperor does.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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True Adamance
Scions of Athra
4958
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Posted - 2013.12.17 03:14:00 -
[75] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:True Adamance wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:True, stop feeding the troll. Trolls have no effect on me. Considering I was the biggest troll Dark Souls ever saw....or atleast I like to think so....forcing 9 (confirmed) players to quit the game due to my success at Gravelording, and general douche baggery both in game and in the hate mail responding game....I know their tricks. It doesn't matter how much he argues, I know I am right. It's just RP fun anyways
Yeah but its not good RP when you do is insult and regurgitate the same stuff I am proving irrelevant and pointless.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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First Prophet
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
1337
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Posted - 2013.12.17 03:17:00 -
[76] - Quote
"Blood for the blood god."
-Amarr citizen
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
848
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Posted - 2013.12.17 03:17:00 -
[77] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:Man some people need to put New Eden into context.
Be thankful you guys aren't playing a Warhammer 40k game where the 1000 humans a day are sacrificed to the Emperor on the Golden Throne to ensure his continued survival and his almost omnipotent psychic potential to guide humanity through the vastness of space where innumerable monsters, aliens, malign gods, and implacable enemies await man kind, ready to tear it apart at a moments notice....
Above is ******* terrifying.....democracy does not hold humanity together. The Will of the Emperor does.
to be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable...
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True Adamance
Scions of Athra
4958
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Posted - 2013.12.17 03:18:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:"Blood for the blood god."
-Amarr citizen
GORK AN' MORK!
- Minmatar Citizen
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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First Prophet
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
1337
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Posted - 2013.12.17 03:21:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:First Prophet wrote:"Blood for the blood god."
-Amarr citizen GORK AN' MORK! - Minmatar Citizen
I'm not nerd enough to know whether to take offense to this.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
9006
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Posted - 2013.12.17 03:23:00 -
[80] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:True Adamance wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:True, stop feeding the troll. Trolls have no effect on me. Considering I was the biggest troll Dark Souls ever saw....or atleast I like to think so....forcing 9 (confirmed) players to quit the game due to my success at Gravelording, and general douche baggery both in game and in the hate mail responding game....I know their tricks. It doesn't matter how much he argues, I know I am right. It's just RP fun anyways Yeah but its not good RP when you do is insult and regurgitate the same stuff I am proving irrelevant and pointless.
You prove nothing by spewing your ignorance at me, but I see your point. There is no sense talking with an Amarr, anyone who sees a Caldari as anything other than a speed bump in the cosmic timeline has no business in New Eden.
We will liberate this Universe from the shackles of your peoples inability, and we will bring a bright and glorious future to all who accept it with open arms.
Vids / O7
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True Adamance
Scions of Athra
4963
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Posted - 2013.12.17 03:31:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:True Adamance wrote:First Prophet wrote:"Blood for the blood god."
-Amarr citizen GORK AN' MORK! - Minmatar Citizen I'm not nerd enough to know whether to take offense to this.
Orkz are pretty cool and really are the Minmatar of 40k..... angry, creative, tribal, bastards that can make anything out of trash.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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First Prophet
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
1337
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Posted - 2013.12.17 03:32:00 -
[82] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:First Prophet wrote:True Adamance wrote:First Prophet wrote:"Blood for the blood god."
-Amarr citizen GORK AN' MORK! - Minmatar Citizen I'm not nerd enough to know whether to take offense to this. Orkz are pretty cool and really are the Minmatar of 40k..... angry, creative, tribal, bastards that can make anything out of trash.
I'm not angry. WHO YOU CALLIN' ANGRY?
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
848
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Posted - 2013.12.17 03:33:00 -
[83] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:First Prophet wrote:True Adamance wrote:First Prophet wrote:"Blood for the blood god."
-Amarr citizen GORK AN' MORK! - Minmatar Citizen I'm not nerd enough to know whether to take offense to this. Orkz are pretty cool and really are the Minmatar of 40k..... angry, creative, tribal, bastards that can make anything out of trash.
I would suspect they smell the same too. It is a fair comparison. Unthinking horde with no honor. |
True Adamance
Scions of Athra
4963
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Posted - 2013.12.17 03:34:00 -
[84] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:True Adamance wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:True Adamance wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:True, stop feeding the troll. Trolls have no effect on me. Considering I was the biggest troll Dark Souls ever saw....or atleast I like to think so....forcing 9 (confirmed) players to quit the game due to my success at Gravelording, and general douche baggery both in game and in the hate mail responding game....I know their tricks. It doesn't matter how much he argues, I know I am right. It's just RP fun anyways Yeah but its not good RP when you do is insult and regurgitate the same stuff I am proving irrelevant and pointless. You prove nothing by spewing your ignorance at me, but I see your point. There is no sense talking with an Amarr, anyone who sees a Caldari as anything other than a speed bump in the cosmic timeline has no business in New Eden. We will liberate this Universe from the shackles of your peoples inability, and we will bring a bright and glorious future to all who accept it with open arms.
Ignorance? When have I displayed ignorance, I am the first amongst many to acknowledge the issues the unenlightened bring to bare against my people, an the first to explain them in the terms of your people.
Ignorance is not discussing, it is refusing to see that which in front of you while denying its existence.
You last comment sounds like something our people preach to the unenlightened. Wake up, your Federations Imperial dreams are so great in scale they rival that of the Amarr.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
4174
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Posted - 2013.12.17 03:37:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:gbghg wrote:I like the descriptions but the amarr one seems like its trying to twist the slavery angle into soething else, idk might have just been the way you said it. See above. People hear the word "slavery" and immediately associate it with all these predetermined thoughts. Amarr "slavery" isn't remotely similar to what so many people here instantly believe it is.
i know, and you make a good point, but like aztec said it's about the reasons for the reclamation, it just feels like the words your using are trying to sugarcoat things a bit much. i have no problem with you trying to cast the amarr in a better light, hell i think its a good thing, giving people a better overview the factions is a good thing. i just feel that the whole "parental" angle you were aiming for is the wrong one, maybe something more along the lines of how they believe it is their religious duty to unite new eden and how they accomplish this with means ranging from forced reeducation of planetary populations to missionaries and the like. you could also focus on the spiritual side of their faith, idk, that parental angle made me a bit uncomfortable and felt off to me.
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True Adamance wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:The Amarr's slavery is just as terrible as it sounds. They used to enslave absolutely everyone they came across that didn't immediately accept their religion, often times not even asking them if they would before beginning the process of enslavement. Not only that, they aren't required to free their slaves. They're encouraged to release their slaves when they feel that their slaves have properly embraced the faith, but they get to decide that, plus the slaves are forcefully converted, too. Most slaves are never emancipated unless they act like loyal dogs to the Amarr faith. Other than the Amarr's views on slavery and their dogmatic approach to religion, they're not so bad, though.
Its not nearly as terrible as it sounds. Slaves are cared for and treated better than most of those in Gallentean slums could ever hope for, they are educated in the ways of the Amarr, which is not such a bad thing, considering most lessons would be on Amarrian culture and history, it also makes sense because no racial groups educations systems are impartial. Holder's aren't required to free slaves though they consider it their sacred duty to strive to have those under their care accept the Amarrian faith. Again not so bad, eventually exposure to one cultural group or another rubs off one people (we are now exception IRL) most Minmatar slaves spend their lives being educated this way, much like many free Minmatar come to the opposite conclusion. Such is just how you were raised. There are no lies in this education, in the same manner Amarr are educated so too are the slaves. Do you wish to mention that there are example of Minmatar returning to the Republic, holding their ceremonies because they continue to embrace the faith being abused and killed for their choices? We'll the slaves might be treated "well" but they are treated well in the same respect as toy poodles and ponies are treated well. There owners can punish them as they see fit, within Amarrian law, and can even change their names if they want. They separate families and limit the exposure of people to certain groups in an attempt of de facto breeding. They are property. You make it sound like they are Janissaries, but at least Janissaries could hold high positions in politics and were paid, they were also allowed to marry freely into the families of high and low classes. No they are not like indentured servants, indentured servants were under contracts or they had fallen into debt with the understanding of what could happen. I fail to see your point. I do not respect you (IC not at all OCC sure) but I am not mistreating you...... Example of Holders exploiting their slaves and subjects are records of public history with those corrupt Holders being subject to slavery themselves or the rulings of the Speakers of Truth.....Articio Kor Azor is a prime example of this, who mended his ways post ruling, and has since gone on to work closely with the development of the Anmatar. As for the breeding of Kamieras...well I cannot say that is not unkind, but love is irrelevant in the service of God, something must be done, and siring such strong and noble warriors is a higher honour than many realise. However in Amarrian society no low born citizens marry into the upper echelon, such is the bane of being nobility and holding together the greatest empire in existence. Marriage between Minmatar and Amarr is not common, but not uncommon though. The low born like myself are very luck. I will get to marry who I choose one day....
I know I keep referencing Janissaries and they sound like they are from EVE but they are actually a slave warrior class of the long gone Ottoman Empire, similar to Kaimeras.
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Aero Yassavi wrote:
However, at least there are no tensions between the various races in the Amarr Empire,
Darken-Sol wrote:True Adamance wrote:First Prophet wrote:True Adamance wrote:
GORK AN' MORK!
- Minmatar Citizen
I'm not nerd enough to know whether to take offense to this. Orkz are pretty cool and really are the Minmatar of 40k..... angry, creative, tribal, bastards that can make anything out of trash. I would suspect they smell the same too. It is a fair comparison. Unthinking horde with no honor.
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:True Adamance wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:The Amarr's slavery is just as terrible as it sounds. They used to enslave absolutely everyone they came across that didn't immediately accept their religion, often times not even asking them if they would before beginning the process of enslavement. Not only that, they aren't required to free their slaves. They're encouraged to release their slaves when they feel that their slaves have properly embraced the faith, but they get to decide that, plus the slaves are forcefully converted, too. Most slaves are never emancipated unless they act like loyal dogs to the Amarr faith. Other than the Amarr's views on slavery and their dogmatic approach to religion, they're not so bad, though.
Its not nearly as terrible as it sounds. Slaves are cared for and treated better than most of those in Gallentean slums could ever hope for, they are educated in the ways of the Amarr, which is not such a bad thing, considering most lessons would be on Amarrian culture and history, it also makes sense because no racial groups educations systems are impartial. Holder's aren't required to free slaves though they consider it their sacred duty to strive to have those under their care accept the Amarrian faith. Again not so bad, eventually exposure to one cultural group or another rubs off one people (we are now exception IRL) most Minmatar slaves spend their lives being educated this way, much like many free Minmatar come to the opposite conclusion. Such is just how you were raised. There are no lies in this education, in the same manner Amarr are educated so too are the slaves. Do you wish to mention that there are example of Minmatar returning to the Republic, holding their ceremonies because they continue to embrace the faith being abused and killed for their choices? We'll the slaves might be treated "well" but they are treated well in the same respect as toy poodles and ponies are treated well. There owners can punish them as they see fit, within Amarrian law, and can even change their names if they want. They separate families and limit the exposure of people to certain groups in an attempt of de facto breeding. They are property. You make it sound like they are Janissaries, but at least Janissaries could hold high positions in politics and were paid, they were also allowed to marry freely into the families of high and low classes. No they are not like indentured servants, indentured servants were under contracts or they had fallen into debt with the understanding of what could happen. I fail to see your point. I do not respect you (IC not at all OCC sure) but I am not mistreating you...... Example of Holders exploiting their slaves and subjects are records of public history with those corrupt Holders being subject to slavery themselves or the rulings of the Speakers of Truth.....Articio Kor Azor is a prime example of this, who mended his ways post ruling, and has since gone on to work closely with the development of the Anmatar. As for the breeding of Kamieras...well I cannot say that is not unkind, but love is irrelevant in the service of God, something must be done, and siring such strong and noble warriors is a higher honour than many realise. However in Amarrian society no low born citizens marry into the upper echelon, such is the bane of being nobility and holding together the greatest empire in existence. Marriage between Minmatar and Amarr is not common, but not uncommon though. The low born like myself are very luck. I will get to marry who I choose one day.... I know I keep referencing Janissaries and they sound like they are from EVE but they are actually a slave warrior class of the long gone Ottoman Empire, similar to Kaimeras. Here if you want to know more.
Yeah..... Kamieras are bred to fight.....
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Darken-Sol wrote:True Adamance wrote:[quote=First Prophet][quote=True Adamance]
I would suspect they smell the same too. It is a fair comparison. Unthinking horde with no honor.
That's probably not true.....a hulking mass of unwashed sweat, fungus, and gutz is likely to be a very potent scent...... but in the billions.....that would be an abomination.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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Atiim wrote:Ion Crush wrote:The Amarr attacked the Jove with the intention of conquering and enslaving them. The Jove are neither violent or primitive. The Jove have few numbers and the Amarrians perceived them as weak and easily conquerable. You also forgot to mention how badly they failed
That doesnt matter at all. They saw the chance to conquer a society and that's that. I really hate it when people try to be apologetics about this ****. Accept it that no faction is good.
oh and that thing about POWs, I suggest reading the chronicals regarding each races method of torture and then kindly stfu whoever said the POW comment.
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Atiim wrote:Ion Crush wrote:The Amarr attacked the Jove with the intention of conquering and enslaving them. The Jove are neither violent or primitive. The Jove have few numbers and the Amarrians perceived them as weak and easily conquerable. You also forgot to mention how badly they failed That doesnt matter at all. They saw the chance to conquer a society and that's that. I really hate it when people try to be apologetics about this ****. Accept it that no faction is good. oh and that thing about POWs, I suggest reading the chronicals regarding each races method of torture and then kindly stfu whoever said the POW comment. There are no good guys in New Eden, accept it you idiots.
has it been covered that good and evil are just concepts which are socially acceptable. Majority gets to rule minority thru military might.
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Atiim wrote:Ion Crush wrote:The Amarr attacked the Jove with the intention of conquering and enslaving them. The Jove are neither violent or primitive. The Jove have few numbers and the Amarrians perceived them as weak and easily conquerable. You also forgot to mention how badly they failed That doesnt matter at all. They saw the chance to conquer a society and that's that. I really hate it when people try to be apologetics about this ****. Accept it that no faction is good. oh and that thing about POWs, I suggest reading the chronicals regarding each races method of torture and then kindly stfu whoever said the POW comment. There are no good guys in New Eden, accept it you idiots.
No....you misunderstand.
I'm not interested in what is done....merely that it is done by those who would champion the fair treatment of humans. Why do the Gallente not simply lock up the Caldari women, why do they **** them as well as the torture?
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:01:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:
There are no good guys in New Eden, accept it you idiots.
I'm a pretty good guy.
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gbghg wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:gbghg wrote:I like the descriptions but the amarr one seems like its trying to twist the slavery angle into soething else, idk might have just been the way you said it. See above. People hear the word "slavery" and immediately associate it with all these predetermined thoughts. Amarr "slavery" isn't remotely similar to what so many people here instantly believe it is. i know, and you make a good point, but like aztec said it's about the reasons for the reclamation, it just feels like the words your using are trying to sugarcoat things a bit much. i have no problem with you trying to cast the amarr in a better light, hell i think its a good thing, giving people a better overview the factions is a good thing. i just feel that the whole "parental" angle you were aiming for is the wrong one, maybe something more along the lines of how they believe it is their religious duty to unite new eden and how they accomplish this with means ranging from forced reeducation of planetary populations to missionaries and the like. you could also focus on the spiritual side of their faith, idk, that parental angle made me a bit uncomfortable and felt off to me.
Forced reeducation? The worlds the Amarr have reclaimed never had more than a primitive education compared to how technologically advanced the Amarr were after thousands of years. There was no reeducating, just educating. Sure, there was an Amarr bias on it, but that's no different than people in America being educated with an American bias or people in the UK being educated with a UK bias, for example.
Maybe you don't like the whole "parental" thing, but I find it quite apt. Most "slave" owners genuinely care about their "slaves" and one of the highest honors to have in Amarr society is for your "slaves" to become freed and become a model citizen of the Amarr Empire. Of course, there are a good chunk of people who are brutal in the matter but those people are criminals and should be viewed no differently than the brutal criminals of any other society.
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It's like I'm watching Fox News or something.
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:09:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Atiim wrote:Ion Crush wrote:The Amarr attacked the Jove with the intention of conquering and enslaving them. The Jove are neither violent or primitive. The Jove have few numbers and the Amarrians perceived them as weak and easily conquerable. You also forgot to mention how badly they failed That doesnt matter at all. They saw the chance to conquer a society and that's that. I really hate it when people try to be apologetics about this ****. Accept it that no faction is good. oh and that thing about POWs, I suggest reading the chronicals regarding each races method of torture and then kindly stfu whoever said the POW comment. There are no good guys in New Eden, accept it you idiots. No....you misunderstand. I'm not interested in what is done....merely that it is done by those who would champion the fair treatment of humans. Why do the Gallente not simply lock up the Caldari women, why do they **** them as well as the torture?
Because humans are evil and all the races ideals are just a facade.
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:19:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:True Adamance wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Atiim wrote:Ion Crush wrote:The Amarr attacked the Jove with the intention of conquering and enslaving them. The Jove are neither violent or primitive. The Jove have few numbers and the Amarrians perceived them as weak and easily conquerable. You also forgot to mention how badly they failed That doesnt matter at all. They saw the chance to conquer a society and that's that. I really hate it when people try to be apologetics about this ****. Accept it that no faction is good. oh and that thing about POWs, I suggest reading the chronicals regarding each races method of torture and then kindly stfu whoever said the POW comment. There are no good guys in New Eden, accept it you idiots. No....you misunderstand. I'm not interested in what is done....merely that it is done by those who would champion the fair treatment of humans. Why do the Gallente not simply lock up the Caldari women, why do they **** them as well as the torture? Because humans are evil and all the races ideals are just a facade.
So the Gallente have not faith in the ideals they supposedly uphold?
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:20:00 -
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Ion Crush wrote:The Amarr attacked the Jove with the intention of conquering and enslaving them. The Jove are neither violent or primitive. The Jove have few numbers and the Amarrians perceived them as weak and easily conquerable.
one does not simply attack the Jove
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:21:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: So the Gallente have not faith in the ideals they supposedly uphold?
We have faith in ourselves, and that's all we need to liberate the Universe unto glorious freedom and equality, even if it must be realized through the burning husks of a thousand worlds.
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:22:00 -
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The Government doesnt, no.
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:23:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:True Adamance wrote: So the Gallente have not faith in the ideals they supposedly uphold? We have faith in ourselves, and that's all we need to liberate the Universe unto glorious freedom and equality, even if it must be realized through the burning husks of a thousand worlds.
Freedom and equality through burning down worlds, you say?
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:23:00 -
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there are no good guys or bad guys... there are just different groups of people who want different results
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:26:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:True Adamance wrote: So the Gallente have not faith in the ideals they supposedly uphold? We have faith in ourselves, and that's all we need to liberate the Universe unto glorious freedom and equality, even if it must be realized through the burning husks of a thousand worlds. Freedom and equality through burning down worlds, you say?
There can be neither so long as a single Caldari draws breath. Anyone who helps them in their struggle will regretfully meet the same fate. Until that right has been wronged, there can be no peace, no freedom, no equality.
Lay down your arms and we will consider negotiations with your people.
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:28:00 -
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knight guard fury wrote:there are no good guys or bad guys... there are just different groups of people who want different results
And the funny part is, the Gallente and Amarr want pretty much the same result. They are both expansionists looking to conquer all the stars under the ideology of uniting all human beings. The difference is the Amarr do so through religion which teaches to care for and respect others, while the Gallente do so through democracy which teaches individual freedom and to care for just yourself.
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:28:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:True Adamance wrote: So the Gallente have not faith in the ideals they supposedly uphold? We have faith in ourselves, and that's all we need to liberate the Universe unto glorious freedom and equality, even if it must be realized through the burning husks of a thousand worlds. Freedom and equality through burning down worlds, you say? There can be neither so long as a single Caldari draws breath. Anyone who helps them in their struggle will regretfully meet the same fate. Until that right has been wronged, there can be no peace, no freedom, no equality. Lay down your arms and we will consider negotiations with your people.
im pretty sure the Gallente are still persecuting Minmatar in there own space from that "assassination" that happened a while back, but I could be wrong
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knight guard fury wrote: im pretty sure the Gallente are still persecuting Minmatar in there own space from that "assassination" that happened a while back, but I could be wrong
Criminals will be treated as such. Any attack against the Gallente Federation will not go unpunished. It is likely that these few rebels were still highly brainwashed from prolonged exposure to the Amarr.
Investigations are still undergoing, and they will receive proper care and treatment until they have been deemed guilty in a court of law.
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:31:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:True Adamance wrote: So the Gallente have not faith in the ideals they supposedly uphold? We have faith in ourselves, and that's all we need to liberate the Universe unto glorious freedom and equality, even if it must be realized through the burning husks of a thousand worlds. Freedom and equality through burning down worlds, you say? There can be neither so long as a single Caldari draws breath. Anyone who helps them in their struggle will regretfully meet the same fate. Until that right has been wronged, there can be no peace, no freedom, no equality. Lay down your arms and we will consider negotiations with your people.
Really? Because I don't recall the Caldari threatening your Federation. They didn't wish to take away your values, they simply wished to retain their own. Fact of the matter is the Caldari people as a whole are happy with their society, but the Federation deems it impure and makes it their responsibility to cleanse it. If the Federation is all about freedom, why not allow the Caldari State the freedom to retain their identity? Especially as they were content to not interfere with Federation affairs should they be given independence?
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:33:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:knight guard fury wrote:there are no good guys or bad guys... there are just different groups of people who want different results And the funny part is, the Gallente and Amarr want pretty much the same result. They are both expansionists looking to conquer all the stars under the ideology of uniting all human beings. The difference is the Amarr do so through religion which teaches to care for and respect others, while the Gallente do so through democracy which teaches individual freedom and to care for just yourself.
and each one is bullshit.
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:34:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Really? Because I don't recall the Caldari threatening your Federation. They didn't wish to take away your values, they simply wished to retain their own. Fact of the matter is the Caldari people as a whole are happy with their society, but the Federation deems it impure and makes it their responsibility to cleanse it. If the Federation is all about freedom, why not allow the Caldari State the freedom to retain their identity? Especially as they were content to not interfere with Federation affairs should they be given independence?
We made the mistake of reaching out to the Caldari once. It will not happen again.
Make no mistake. We are at war, and we do not want prisoners.
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:34:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:knight guard fury wrote: im pretty sure the Gallente are still persecuting Minmatar in there own space from that "assassination" that happened a while back, but I could be wrong Criminals will be treated as such. Any attack against the Gallente Federation will not go unpunished. It is likely that these few rebels were still highly brainwashed from prolonged exposure to the Amarr. Investigations are still undergoing, and they will receive proper care and treatment until they have been deemed guilty in a court of law.
Of course, the Gallente can do no wrong. Definitely don't bring up the fact that it was a Federation citizen who went on a killing spree at a Matari tribal festival killing 59 including the Ray of the Matar. Definitely don't bring up the fact that the so called Matari "criminal" was attacked by a gang of racists Federation citizens and was only trying to defend himself. Definitely don't bring up the fact that the Matari were never truly welcomed into the Federation by most of your citizens.
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I have read up on much lore about the Minmatar, my bloodline, and some chronicles (which im still reading) and I have got to say that they are still going through some hard times with them fighting the Ammatar/amarr conflict and surviving on their own, but they continue to live on because of their religion/tribes/culture/etc. and that is one of the reasons I chose to be a Matari and I fight for them with a reason, not because other people persuaded me.
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:36:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Really? Because I don't recall the Caldari threatening your Federation. They didn't wish to take away your values, they simply wished to retain their own. Fact of the matter is the Caldari people as a whole are happy with their society, but the Federation deems it impure and makes it their responsibility to cleanse it. If the Federation is all about freedom, why not allow the Caldari State the freedom to retain their identity? Especially as they were content to not interfere with Federation affairs should they be given independence? We made the mistake of reaching out to the Caldari once. It will not happen again. Make no mistake. We are at war, and we do not want prisoners.
Actually the Gallente Caldari War ended some time ago. Look it up. There are now only some fights over a few contested systems in low sec, which are really only fought by the capsuleers and mercenaries.
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:38:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Really? Because I don't recall the Caldari threatening your Federation. They didn't wish to take away your values, they simply wished to retain their own. Fact of the matter is the Caldari people as a whole are happy with their society, but the Federation deems it impure and makes it their responsibility to cleanse it. If the Federation is all about freedom, why not allow the Caldari State the freedom to retain their identity? Especially as they were content to not interfere with Federation affairs should they be given independence? We made the mistake of reaching out to the Caldari once. It will not happen again. Make no mistake. We are at war, and we do not want prisoners. Actually the Gallente Caldari War ended some time ago. Look it up. There are now only some fights over a few contested systems in low sec, which are really only fought by the capsuleers and mercenaries.
Officially ended, some time ago.
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:39:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:knight guard fury wrote: im pretty sure the Gallente are still persecuting Minmatar in there own space from that "assassination" that happened a while back, but I could be wrong Criminals will be treated as such. Any attack against the Gallente Federation will not go unpunished. It is likely that these few rebels were still highly brainwashed from prolonged exposure to the Amarr. Investigations are still undergoing, and they will receive proper care and treatment until they have been deemed guilty in a court of law. Of course, the Gallente can do no wrong. Definitely don't bring up the fact that it was a Federation citizen who went on a killing spree at a Matari tribal festival killing 59 including the Ray of the Matar. Definitely don't bring up the fact that the so called Matari "criminal" was attacked by a gang of racists Federation citizens and was only trying to defend himself. Definitely don't bring up the fact that the Matari were never truly welcomed into the Federation by most of your citizens.
killing the ray of matar is like, god appearing in front of me and then someone out of the blue just coming up and killing him with no mercy as I just watch and cant help.
and for that I will never help the Gallente in FRW or in any other matter.
(just as I am almost done reading the ray of matar chronicles, you Gallente douchebags shall die)
In Rust We Trust,
true to the Republic,
Kherokior warrior
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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
4149
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:41:00 -
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knight guard fury wrote:I have read up on much lore about the Minmatar, my bloodline, and some chronicles (which im still reading) and I have got to say that they are still going through some hard times with them fighting the Ammatar/amarr conflict and surviving on their own, but they continue to live on because of their religion/tribes/culture/etc. and that is one of the reasons I chose to be a Matari and I fight for them with a reason, not because other people persuaded me.
You should probably look a bit into the Gallente's lore as well, your supposed ally. When you look at how you two met, it becomes evident that the Gallente only sparked and fueled your rebellion against the Amarr because they felt threatened by the Amarr and wanted to take advantage of the Amarr's recent defeat to the Jove. Really, the Minmatar are just puppets of war to the Gallente to gain an edge on the only other empire large enough to threaten them. It becomes even more evident that the Gallente are simply using the Minmatar when you realize that most the Gallente citizens never truly welcomes the Matari into the Federation, and there remains several tensions between the two sides, including most recently a series of incidents which began with a Federation citizen murdering 59 Matari including a Matari tribal leader.
Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
9009
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:47:00 -
[116] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:knight guard fury wrote:I have read up on much lore about the Minmatar, my bloodline, and some chronicles (which im still reading) and I have got to say that they are still going through some hard times with them fighting the Ammatar/amarr conflict and surviving on their own, but they continue to live on because of their religion/tribes/culture/etc. and that is one of the reasons I chose to be a Matari and I fight for them with a reason, not because other people persuaded me. You should probably look a bit into the Gallente's lore as well, your supposed ally. When you look at how you two met, it becomes evident that the Gallente only sparked and fueled your rebellion against the Amarr because they felt threatened by the Amarr and wanted to take advantage of the Amarr's recent defeat to the Jove. Really, the Minmatar are just puppets of war to the Gallente to gain an edge on the only other empire large enough to threaten them. It becomes even more evident that the Gallente are simply using the Minmatar when you realize that most the Gallente citizens never truly welcomes the Matari into the Federation, and there remains several tensions between the two sides, including most recently a series of incidents which began with a Federation citizen murdering 59 Matari including a Matari tribal leader.
It takes time to wash off the presence of the Amarr, the Minmatar have the best of both worlds in this: revenge on their captors, and freedom in the new New Eden.
Our goals are mutual, and in time, we will come to embrace each other as brothers and sisters.
Vids / O7
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
3606
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:49:00 -
[117] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:knight guard fury wrote:I have read up on much lore about the Minmatar, my bloodline, and some chronicles (which im still reading) and I have got to say that they are still going through some hard times with them fighting the Ammatar/amarr conflict and surviving on their own, but they continue to live on because of their religion/tribes/culture/etc. and that is one of the reasons I chose to be a Matari and I fight for them with a reason, not because other people persuaded me. You should probably look a bit into the Gallente's lore as well, your supposed ally. When you look at how you two met, it becomes evident that the Gallente only sparked and fueled your rebellion against the Amarr because they felt threatened by the Amarr and wanted to take advantage of the Amarr's recent defeat to the Jove. Really, the Minmatar are just puppets of war to the Gallente to gain an edge on the only other empire large enough to threaten them. It becomes even more evident that the Gallente are simply using the Minmatar when you realize that most the Gallente citizens never truly welcomes the Matari into the Federation, and there remains several tensions between the two sides, including most recently a series of incidents which began with a Federation citizen murdering 59 Matari including a Matari tribal leader.
The Chronicles never say most as you say. It always references it to some or a lot, but certainly not most.
There's much dirt about the federation and its policies but you can do so without stretching words to prove your point.
You'll never catch me saying most Amarr agree with Vitox poisoning so please, use facts, there's certainly a lot out there. |
Ronan Elsword
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
117
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:51:00 -
[118] - Quote
Badwolf Jones wrote:True Adamance wrote:
See and this is what I think CCP needs in their descriptions, all sound positive, all have one or two negative points which counter balance the good.
The PoW thing is a worrying thing though, glad I brought that to light for everyone.
Just so everyone is aware, each race has their own ways of dealing with information gathering from prisoners. There have been several interesting chronicles written about this, for example here is one about the Amarr: http://community.eveonline.com/backstory/chronicles/methods-of-torture-the-amarr/
Don't forget about the other three races
[*] Gallente [*] Minmatar [*] Caldari
"Nice House you have here Gallente, you can just feel the Freedom."
-Looks in Closet-
"Dear God"
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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
4149
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:51:00 -
[119] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:knight guard fury wrote:I have read up on much lore about the Minmatar, my bloodline, and some chronicles (which im still reading) and I have got to say that they are still going through some hard times with them fighting the Ammatar/amarr conflict and surviving on their own, but they continue to live on because of their religion/tribes/culture/etc. and that is one of the reasons I chose to be a Matari and I fight for them with a reason, not because other people persuaded me. You should probably look a bit into the Gallente's lore as well, your supposed ally. When you look at how you two met, it becomes evident that the Gallente only sparked and fueled your rebellion against the Amarr because they felt threatened by the Amarr and wanted to take advantage of the Amarr's recent defeat to the Jove. Really, the Minmatar are just puppets of war to the Gallente to gain an edge on the only other empire large enough to threaten them. It becomes even more evident that the Gallente are simply using the Minmatar when you realize that most the Gallente citizens never truly welcomes the Matari into the Federation, and there remains several tensions between the two sides, including most recently a series of incidents which began with a Federation citizen murdering 59 Matari including a Matari tribal leader. It takes time to wash off the presence of the Amarr, the Minmatar have the best of both worlds in this: revenge on their captors, and freedom in the new New Eden. Your goals are mutual, and in time, we will come to embrace each other as brothers and sisters.
Our your goals mutual? The Anmatar sure don't buy into your brainwashing. And let's just pretend hypothetically you defeated the Amarr Empire (in your dreams), what reason do the Matari have to believe you won't treat them any better than the Caldari? What reason do they have to believe your citizens will end all racist prejudice against them? What reason do they have to believe you won't cast them to the slums?
Meanwhile, the Anmatar are eating well, getting proper health care, updated infrastructure, higher education, and proper admittance into the Amarr Empire.
Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
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knight guard fury
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
93
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Posted - 2013.12.17 05:00:00 -
[120] - Quote
I already dislike the Gallente ways of torture, too F*** up
In Rust We Trust,
true to the Republic,
Kherokior warrior
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
9012
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Posted - 2013.12.17 05:11:00 -
[121] - Quote
knight guard fury wrote:I already dislike the Gallente ways of torture, too F*** up
What, it seemed plenty civil to me
"Here," he held up a syringe, "one last shot. This'll be quiet and calm." He leaned in and injected Sebastian with the contents. "Your vision will go, then your consciousness. I'll be back in a while to get your body."
"Thank you," Sebastian said.
"Don't mention it."
Vids / O7
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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
4151
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Posted - 2013.12.17 05:12:00 -
[122] - Quote
Sgt Kirk wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:knight guard fury wrote:I have read up on much lore about the Minmatar, my bloodline, and some chronicles (which im still reading) and I have got to say that they are still going through some hard times with them fighting the Ammatar/amarr conflict and surviving on their own, but they continue to live on because of their religion/tribes/culture/etc. and that is one of the reasons I chose to be a Matari and I fight for them with a reason, not because other people persuaded me. You should probably look a bit into the Gallente's lore as well, your supposed ally. When you look at how you two met, it becomes evident that the Gallente only sparked and fueled your rebellion against the Amarr because they felt threatened by the Amarr and wanted to take advantage of the Amarr's recent defeat to the Jove. Really, the Minmatar are just puppets of war to the Gallente to gain an edge on the only other empire large enough to threaten them. It becomes even more evident that the Gallente are simply using the Minmatar when you realize that most the Gallente citizens never truly welcomes the Matari into the Federation, and there remains several tensions between the two sides, including most recently a series of incidents which began with a Federation citizen murdering 59 Matari including a Matari tribal leader. The Chronicles never say most as you say. It always references it to some or a lot, but certainly not most. There's much dirt about the federation and its policies but you can do so without stretching words to prove your point. You'll never catch me saying most Amarr agree with Vitox poisoning so please, use facts, there's certainly a lot out there.
There's more than just chronicles,
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Modern_Era_of_the_Gallente_Federation#Amarr_Revelation
"Even if the Federation was high on victory against the State, military leaders knew that opening a second full-scale war against the Amarr Empire would be fatal. Nonetheless, for a long time, the Federation government observed and studied the Minmatar, realizing that they could be used to weaken the Amarr Empire. However, they realized that open action would force hostilities with the Empire, so they were only able to covertly supply the Minmatar rebels with supplies and materiel."
This flat out states that the Federation used the Minmatar to weaken the Amarr Empire, and did so secretly to avoid direct hostilities with the Amarr. But why would the Gallente want to weaken the Amarr? Well there's a bunch of other good quotes for that too.
"The Federation government kept strict control of information regarding the Amarr, fearing that the revelation of the Federation not being the sole and collective representative of human civilization would undermine the entire unionGÇÖs purpose. The highest levels of the Federation slowly became aware of the AmarrGÇÖs practice of slavery, something that would be considered unforgivable by the population."
This right here clearly states that the Federation goverment planned to use Amarr's "slavery" as their campaign line to get their own people to hate the Amarr before they even were aware of who they were. Never judge a book by it's cover, eh? Guess that doesn't apply to the Gallente. They were so afraid their Federation wouldn't represent the entire cluster that they had to demonize any other advanced civilization before formally meeting.
"Having encountered the only other interstellar civilization that was comparable to the size and scope of the Federation, many citizens across countless worlds realized that the union they had signed membership of was no longer the sole representative of humanity. There were several cases of instability, which included protests and short-lived attempts at further secessions (something the Caldari tried and failed to exploit)."
Right here goes on to show that as the Federation citizens learned they weren't the only representation of the cluster, many began to try and secede, like the Caldari. Now why oh why would the Federation fear this? After all, if these worlds were admitted into the Federation surely they also believe in freedom and liberty? No, sounds more like a power control issue. It is not stretching anything to say that corrupt government officials feared the power loss from worlds breaking away from the Federation, even if they were to continue maintaining freedom and liberty which is supposedly what they are all about.
"There would also be a cultural renaissance, particularly amongst the ethnic Gallente, as the result of first contact with the Amarr. To many, the Amarr Empire was perceived to resemble one of their planetside feudal kingdoms from ancient times, that had managed to retain its pre-industrial culture into space and across the stars. Although this oversimplified the complex nuances of a similarly interstellar empire, these Gallente found the Amarr fascinating, despite the disagreements about slavery. The fact that the Amarr were still institutionally religious and conducted themselves in a way that was seen as anachronistic of the spacefaring era was a point that several Federal citizens took to eagerly."
As this quote shows, before the Federation government began to demonize the Amarr Empire to retain their own power, many of the first citizens of the Federation to come in contact with the Amarr actually envied them. Crazy to think how fondly so many Gallenteans viewed the Amarr Empire before their government interfered with anything.
Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
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Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
854
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Posted - 2013.12.17 05:16:00 -
[123] - Quote
DUST Fiend wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:knight guard fury wrote:I have read up on much lore about the Minmatar, my bloodline, and some chronicles (which im still reading) and I have got to say that they are still going through some hard times with them fighting the Ammatar/amarr conflict and surviving on their own, but they continue to live on because of their religion/tribes/culture/etc. and that is one of the reasons I chose to be a Matari and I fight for them with a reason, not because other people persuaded me. You should probably look a bit into the Gallente's lore as well, your supposed ally. When you look at how you two met, it becomes evident that the Gallente only sparked and fueled your rebellion against the Amarr because they felt threatened by the Amarr and wanted to take advantage of the Amarr's recent defeat to the Jove. Really, the Minmatar are just puppets of war to the Gallente to gain an edge on the only other empire large enough to threaten them. It becomes even more evident that the Gallente are simply using the Minmatar when you realize that most the Gallente citizens never truly welcomes the Matari into the Federation, and there remains several tensions between the two sides, including most recently a series of incidents which began with a Federation citizen murdering 59 Matari including a Matari tribal leader. It takes time to wash off the presence of the Amarr, the Minmatar have the best of both worlds in this: revenge on their captors, and freedom in the new New Eden. Our goals are mutual, and in time, we will come to embrace each other as brothers and sisters.
like your parents do? |
knight guard fury
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
94
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Posted - 2013.12.17 05:23:00 -
[124] - Quote
sure he gave him a syringe at the end but what he did to him before that is F*** up.
I don't see much wrong with the Minmatar ways of torture for they do it more, "tribal" and for a good reason, the masters seemed a bit evil when I read around that part but that was also for a reason I suppose.
I would choose to be a Minmatar torturer than any other IMO. they have meaning and reason to doing it and have ways of teaching others to see why they do what they do
In Rust We Trust,
true to the Republic,
Kherokior warrior
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knight guard fury
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
94
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Posted - 2013.12.17 05:43:00 -
[125] - Quote
so far I find the amarr and the Minmatar more civilized in there ways of torture.
the amarr seem nice and patient about it and the Minmatar seem more tribal and reasonable.
I prefer the Minmatar way but wouldn't mind being tortured by the amarr(even though I might be turned to ashes by lasers)
In Rust We Trust,
true to the Republic,
Kherokior warrior
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knight guard fury
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
95
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Posted - 2013.12.17 05:58:00 -
[126] - Quote
so far I see it this way.
Caldari - acceptable
Minmatar - acceptable
Gallente - unacceptable
Amarr - acceptable
In Rust We Trust,
true to the Republic,
Kherokior warrior
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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
4154
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Posted - 2013.12.17 06:01:00 -
[127] - Quote
knight guard fury wrote:so far I see it this way.
Caldari - acceptable
Minmatar - acceptable
Gallente - unacceptable
Amarr - acceptable
We share the same views 
Even I do not hate the Minmatar, they are actually alright in my opinion. I only fight them because Amarr are my favorite and that's who we fight in FW, but I'd love to do Amarr vs Gallente FW if it were ever made possible.
Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
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knight guard fury
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
95
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Posted - 2013.12.17 06:04:00 -
[128] - Quote
lol, we took the time to read all of them
In Rust We Trust,
true to the Republic,
Kherokior warrior
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Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
Public Disorder.
1369
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Posted - 2013.12.17 06:05:00 -
[129] - Quote
DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Why are you here? Go to the Intergalactic Summit.
Nobody but other RP'ers care, everyone else is just going to use the race that has the best equipment. (Minmatar, at the moment, that's why we win all the FW matches.) They are convinced that the Amarr and Caldari have a harder time winning in FW because of the way CCP markets the factions. To be honest it should be backward, more hardcore players should be more prone to pick Caldari and Amarr. So this all circles back to the fact that most people want to be Gallante and Minmatar while Caldari are third popular and Amarr are the least popular.
My theory is that there's something fundamental in the attraction the Ammarian race has for players who don't have the heart for a real fight.
Whereas on the Minmatar side, we're just getting warmed up.
I support SP rollover.
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knight guard fury
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
95
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Posted - 2013.12.17 06:08:00 -
[130] - Quote
even though caldari basically shun the tortured, they punish them by giving them horrible images at any given time.
the Minmatar torture for purpose and reason
the amarr torture for traitors, spies, agents, etc.
the Gallente torture to make examples of in the most brutal and horrible of ways
In Rust We Trust,
true to the Republic,
Kherokior warrior
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
3607
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Posted - 2013.12.17 06:11:00 -
[131] - Quote
Aero Yassavi when the hell did I deny that we weren't using the minmatar?
Get your head out of your ass please.
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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
4154
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Posted - 2013.12.17 06:14:00 -
[132] - Quote
Vrain Matari wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Why are you here? Go to the Intergalactic Summit.
Nobody but other RP'ers care, everyone else is just going to use the race that has the best equipment. (Minmatar, at the moment, that's why we win all the FW matches.) They are convinced that the Amarr and Caldari have a harder time winning in FW because of the way CCP markets the factions. To be honest it should be backward, more hardcore players should be more prone to pick Caldari and Amarr. So this all circles back to the fact that most people want to be Gallante and Minmatar while Caldari are third popular and Amarr are the least popular. My theory is that there's something fundamental in the attraction the Ammarian race has for players who don't have the heart for a real fight. Whereas on the Minmatar side, we're just getting warmed up.
I hope you Minmatar are enjoying beating all the random Amarr blueberries and thinking you are dominating because of it, meanwhile when it is a fair match with both teams properly q-synced the Amarr come out on top from my experience.
Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
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knight guard fury
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
97
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Posted - 2013.12.17 06:15:00 -
[133] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:knight guard fury wrote:so far I see it this way.
Caldari - acceptable
Minmatar - acceptable
Gallente - unacceptable
Amarr - acceptable We share the same views Even I do not hate the Minmatar, they are actually alright in my opinion. I only fight them because Amarr are my favorite and that's who we fight in FW, but I'd love to do Amarr vs Gallente FW if it were ever made possible.
there's a possibility I may revert to being anmatar, but im still loyal to the republic
In Rust We Trust,
true to the Republic,
Kherokior warrior
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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
4154
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Posted - 2013.12.17 06:16:00 -
[134] - Quote
Sgt Kirk wrote:Aero Yassavi when the hell did I deny that we weren't using the minmatar?
Get your head out of your ass please.
"The Chronicles never say most as you say. It always references it to some or a lot, but certainly not most."
You said that in response to me making the point that the Gallente are using the Minmatar as puppets of war. Was I wrong in assuming you were referring to that?
It's ok to admit defeat sometimes.
Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
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Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
424
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Posted - 2013.12.17 06:18:00 -
[135] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:
...
I hope you Minmatar are enjoying beating all the random Amarr blueberries and thinking you are dominating because of it, meanwhile when it is a fair match with both teams properly q-synced the Amarr come out on top from my experience.
Alas, I find myself in agreement.
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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
4155
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Posted - 2013.12.17 06:19:00 -
[136] - Quote
knight guard fury wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:knight guard fury wrote:so far I see it this way.
Caldari - acceptable
Minmatar - acceptable
Gallente - unacceptable
Amarr - acceptable We share the same views Even I do not hate the Minmatar, they are actually alright in my opinion. I only fight them because Amarr are my favorite and that's who we fight in FW, but I'd love to do Amarr vs Gallente FW if it were ever made possible. there's a possibility I may revert to being anmatar, but im still loyal to the republic
There's quite a few Anmatar who are both loyal to the republic and Amarr Empire. They are simply the ones who can understand and appreciate what the Amarr's true intentions are while also retaining respect to their own heritage and can see right through the lies of the Gallente Federation.
Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
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knight guard fury
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
97
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Posted - 2013.12.17 06:22:00 -
[137] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:Vrain Matari wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Why are you here? Go to the Intergalactic Summit.
Nobody but other RP'ers care, everyone else is just going to use the race that has the best equipment. (Minmatar, at the moment, that's why we win all the FW matches.) They are convinced that the Amarr and Caldari have a harder time winning in FW because of the way CCP markets the factions. To be honest it should be backward, more hardcore players should be more prone to pick Caldari and Amarr. So this all circles back to the fact that most people want to be Gallante and Minmatar while Caldari are third popular and Amarr are the least popular. My theory is that there's something fundamental in the attraction the Ammarian race has for players who don't have the heart for a real fight. Whereas on the Minmatar side, we're just getting warmed up. I hope you Minmatar are enjoying beating all the random Amarr blueberries and thinking you are dominating because of it, meanwhile when it is a fair match with both teams properly q-synced the Amarr come out on top from my experience.
im interested in having a q-synced against you in an FW to see who wins.
im skilled into everything so don't hate if I bring out my whole arsenal of "im going to **** your ass" weapons, tanks, suit, and dropships
In Rust We Trust,
true to the Republic,
Kherokior warrior
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
3608
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Posted - 2013.12.17 06:22:00 -
[138] - Quote
No Aero Yassavi, as usual your pretentious nature is making you look stupid.
Look at your post before my comment, and notice where you say most hate the Minmatar in the Federation.
How you would think I was combating the truth of Minmatar being used to weaken the Amarrians by saying my quote about the chronicle is beyond me.
I'm an honest guy, and will admit when I've made a falsehood, there's no shame in changing your opinion based on new information...something you guys wouldn't understand.
Edit: *saw response and lays down sword* |
Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
4155
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Posted - 2013.12.17 06:23:00 -
[139] - Quote
knight guard fury wrote:
im interested in having a q-synced against you in an FW to see who wins.
im skilled into everything so don't hate if I bring out my whole arsenal of "im going to **** your ass" weapons, tanks, suit, and dropships
Well if you can q-sync which squads are on your team I can't imagine why you wouldn't be able to q-sync which squads are on the enemy team. Perhaps we can try and arrange this sometime?
Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
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knight guard fury
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
97
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Posted - 2013.12.17 06:24:00 -
[140] - Quote
WTF, so CCP censors r*a*p*e but not ass.
#CCPlogic
In Rust We Trust,
true to the Republic,
Kherokior warrior
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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
4155
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Posted - 2013.12.17 06:24:00 -
[141] - Quote
Sgt Kirk wrote:No Aero Yassavi, as usual your pretentious nature is making you look stupid.
Look at your post before my comment, and notice where you say most hate the Minmatar in the Federation.
How you would think I was combating the truth of Minmatar being used to weaken the Amarrians by saying my quote about the chronicle is beyond me.
I'm an honest guy, and will admit when I've made a falsehood, there's no shame in changing your opinion based on new information...something you guys wouldn't understand.
Edit: *saw response and lays down sword*
Yeah, sorry that is my bad, you are absolutely correct. I was hoping I got the edit in before you saw it 
Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
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knight guard fury
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
97
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Posted - 2013.12.17 06:28:00 -
[142] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:knight guard fury wrote:
im interested in having a q-synced against you in an FW to see who wins.
im skilled into everything so don't hate if I bring out my whole arsenal of "im going to **** your ass" weapons, tanks, suit, and dropships
Well if you can q-sync which squads are on your team I can't imagine why you wouldn't be able to q-sync which squads are on the enemy team. Perhaps we can try and arrange this sometime?
well, Im only on during the weekend (because I have school during the week)
so I guess ill be hanging around in Pie Public when I get the chance
ive got no mic so I wont be talking but i may be able to borrow one of my relatives
In Rust We Trust,
true to the Republic,
Kherokior warrior
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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
4155
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Posted - 2013.12.17 06:30:00 -
[143] - Quote
knight guard fury wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:knight guard fury wrote:
im interested in having a q-synced against you in an FW to see who wins.
im skilled into everything so don't hate if I bring out my whole arsenal of "im going to **** your ass" weapons, tanks, suit, and dropships
Well if you can q-sync which squads are on your team I can't imagine why you wouldn't be able to q-sync which squads are on the enemy team. Perhaps we can try and arrange this sometime? well, Im only on during the weekend (because I have school during the week) so I guess ill be hanging around in Pie Public when I get the chance ive got no mic so I wont be talking but i may be able to borrow one of my relatives
PIE Ground Control, don't try to go in PIE Public for something like this.
Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
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Auld Syne
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
150
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Posted - 2013.12.17 06:31:00 -
[144] - Quote
Note to self: Do not get into a debate against Sgt Kirk. |
Kasira Vorrikesh
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2013.12.17 06:48:00 -
[145] - Quote
knight guard fury wrote:even though caldari basically shun the tortured, they punish them by giving them horrible images at any given time.
the Minmatar torture for purpose and reason
the amarr torture for traitors, spies, agents, etc.
the Gallente torture to make examples of in the most brutal and horrible of ways
Just glossed over the torture articles now (would never have guessed such entries existed).
The Caldari kind is so subtle; definitely my favorite.
Gallente style makes sense for special circumstances.
I found the other two rather boring.
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Ronan Elsword
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
117
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Posted - 2013.12.17 07:11:00 -
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Kasira Vorrikesh wrote:knight guard fury wrote:even though caldari basically shun the tortured, they punish them by giving them horrible images at any given time.
the Minmatar torture for purpose and reason
the amarr torture for traitors, spies, agents, etc.
the Gallente torture to make examples of in the most brutal and horrible of ways Just glossed over the torture articles now (would never have guessed such entries existed). The Caldari kind is so subtle; definitely my favorite. Gallente style makes sense for special circumstances. I found the other two rather boring. *sniff* I'm so proud to be a Caldari right now. Well, my main is.
You should read through some of the other Chronicles, they are quite interesting and reveal a lot about the different Factions.
For instance Gallente Black Eagles
For The State
"Nice House you have here Gallente, you can just feel the Freedom."
-Looks in Closet-
"Dear God"
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Aria Gomes
Death by Disassociation
Zero-Day
210
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Posted - 2013.12.17 07:17:00 -
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All the quotes!!? Damn I have to read all of this tomorrow. |
True Adamance
Scions of Athra
4977
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Posted - 2013.12.17 09:52:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:knight guard fury wrote:I have read up on much lore about the Minmatar, my bloodline, and some chronicles (which im still reading) and I have got to say that they are still going through some hard times with them fighting the Ammatar/amarr conflict and surviving on their own, but they continue to live on because of their religion/tribes/culture/etc. and that is one of the reasons I chose to be a Matari and I fight for them with a reason, not because other people persuaded me. You should probably look a bit into the Gallente's lore as well, your supposed ally. When you look at how you two met, it becomes evident that the Gallente only sparked and fueled your rebellion against the Amarr because they felt threatened by the Amarr and wanted to take advantage of the Amarr's recent defeat to the Jove. Really, the Minmatar are just puppets of war to the Gallente to gain an edge on the only other empire large enough to threaten them. It becomes even more evident that the Gallente are simply using the Minmatar when you realize that most the Gallente citizens never truly welcomes the Matari into the Federation, and there remains several tensions between the two sides, including most recently a series of incidents which began with a Federation citizen murdering 59 Matari including a Matari tribal leader. The Chronicles never say most as you say. It always references it to some or a lot, but certainly not most. There's much dirt about the federation and its policies but you can do so without stretching words to prove your point. You'll never catch me saying most Amarr agree with Vitox poisoning so please, use facts, there's certainly a lot out there.
Aeros character can believe that as a matter of speculation even with no proof, as my character does.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
737
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Posted - 2013.12.17 09:57:00 -
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In my mind, these are all the empires wrapped into very generic and stereotyping descriptions:
Gallente - Corrupt "hippies"
Caldari - Capitalistic bastards
Minmatar - Violent hobos
Amarr - Zealot slavers
Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 13th
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DeadlyAztec11
2816
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Posted - 2013.12.17 20:44:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:gbghg wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:gbghg wrote:I like the descriptions but the amarr one seems like its trying to twist the slavery angle into soething else, idk might have just been the way you said it. See above. People hear the word "slavery" and immediately associate it with all these predetermined thoughts. Amarr "slavery" isn't remotely similar to what so many people here instantly believe it is. i know, and you make a good point, but like aztec said it's about the reasons for the reclamation, it just feels like the words your using are trying to sugarcoat things a bit much. i have no problem with you trying to cast the amarr in a better light, hell i think its a good thing, giving people a better overview the factions is a good thing. i just feel that the whole "parental" angle you were aiming for is the wrong one, maybe something more along the lines of how they believe it is their religious duty to unite new eden and how they accomplish this with means ranging from forced reeducation of planetary populations to missionaries and the like. you could also focus on the spiritual side of their faith, idk, that parental angle made me a bit uncomfortable and felt off to me. Forced reeducation? The worlds the Amarr have reclaimed never had more than a primitive education compared to how technologically advanced the Amarr were after thousands of years. There was no reeducating, just educating. Sure, there was an Amarr bias on it, but that's no different than people in America being educated with an American bias or people in the UK being educated with a UK bias, for example. Maybe you don't like the whole "parental" thing, but I find it quite apt. Most "slave" owners genuinely care about their "slaves" and one of the highest honors to have in Amarr society is for your "slaves" to become freed and become a model citizen of the Amarr Empire. Of course, there are a good chunk of people who are brutal in the matter but those people are criminals and should be viewed no differently than the brutal criminals of any other society.
Alright, you are wrong here the Amarr did not choose to reclaim only primitive societies. They chose primitive societies because primitive societies could not fight back. They met the Gallante, what was the first option they looked at? Invasion. Why didn't they? Because they realized the Gallante weren't going to be an easy win. They had never fought another race that proved to be any sort of equal.
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DeadlyAztec11
2816
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Posted - 2013.12.17 20:53:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Aero Yassavi when the hell did I deny that we weren't using the minmatar?
Get your head out of your ass please.
Sorry, I misinterpreted your response. Nonetheless, my points still stand that the Gallente are only using the Minmatar as puppets of war, which we both agree on.
Well the Amarr are also playing the Caldari against the Gallante.
Neither the Gallante nor Amarr wat to be caught in a handicap match, neither want a 2v1.
The Minmatar can't really powerplay and the Caldari don't have enough influence to seriously manipulate a larger opponent.
My alts: GeneralJohnRipper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity, CCP Rarara
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
713
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Posted - 2013.12.17 21:17:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Why are you here? Go to the Intergalactic Summit.
Nobody but other RP'ers care, everyone else is just going to use the race that has the best equipment. (Minmatar, at the moment, that's why we win all the FW matches.) They are convinced that the Amarr and Caldari have a harder time winning in FW because of the way CCP markets the factions. To be honest it should be backward, more hardcore players should be more prone to pick Caldari and Amarr. So this all circles back to the fact that most people want to be Gallante and Minmatar while Caldari are third popular and Amarr are the least popular. My theory is that there's something fundamental in the attraction the Ammarian race has for players who don't have the heart for a real fight. Whereas on the Minmatar side, we're just getting warmed up.
That makes little sense considering those of us serious about it are getting beat pretty soundly in a lot of matches due to the blueberries and awox but keep coming and keep trying to recruit more soldiers.
You're the one using ez mode, I'm afraid. If I were you, I wouldn't pat myself on the back too hard... unless of course you happened to be the person funding all the awox/griefing, like Kirk and his suicide squads. Even then, best not to claim it's due solely to the skill of the actual soldiers involved!
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Amarr victor!
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
713
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Posted - 2013.12.17 21:41:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Yeah, I think the American south is a much worse parallel to the Amarr than say, Ancient Rome and their assimilation of other races and "romanizing" them. Although, the best analogy is probably the misguided but non-malevolent "white man's burden" of the Victorian-era British empire. You probably shouldn't use terms such as "white man" when describing the Amarr as such terms are mostly used when discussing racism, which the Amarr are certainly not. In fact, the Amarr Empire is very ethnically diverse, second only to the Gallente Federation. Contrary to popular belief, the Amarr are very accepting of other races and culture practices, of course the catch is they are strict on religious views.
Let history be your guide, Aero:
Many 19th century european imperialists felt they had a "Divine Burden to reign God's Empire on Earth."
The White Man's Burden by Rudyard Kipling
Take up the White Man's burden--
Send forth the best ye breed--
Go bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives' need;
To wait in heavy harness,
On fluttered folk and wild--
Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
Half-devil and half-child.
Take up the White Man's burden--
In patience to abide,
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple,
An hundred times made plain
To seek another's profit,
And work another's gain.
Take up the White Man's burden--
The savage wars of peace--
Fill full the mouth of Famine
And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest
The end for others sought,
Watch sloth and heathen Folly
Bring all your hopes to nought.
Take up the White Man's burden--
No tawdry rule of kings,
But toil of serf and sweeper--
The tale of common things.
The ports ye shall not enter,
The roads ye shall not tread,
Go mark them with your living,
And mark them with your dead.
Take up the White Man's burden--
And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better,
The hate of those ye guard--
The cry of hosts ye humour
(Ah, slowly!) toward the light:--
"Why brought he us from bondage,
Our loved Egyptian night?"
Take up the White Man's burden--
Ye dare not stoop to less--
Nor call too loud on Freedom
To cloke your weariness;
By all ye cry or whisper,
By all ye leave or do,
The silent, sullen peoples
Shall weigh your gods and you.
Take up the White Man's burden--
Have done with childish days--
The lightly proferred laurel,
The easy, ungrudged praise.
Comes now, to search your manhood
Through all the thankless years
Cold, edged with dear-bought wisdom,
The judgment of your peers!
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Amarr victor!
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Talryn Vilneram
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
81
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Posted - 2013.12.17 21:43:00 -
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I originally got into EVE back in 2006 as an RPer. I still love the EVE lore to this day and I am glad you DUSTers are discovering this for yourself as well. |
Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
450
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Posted - 2013.12.17 22:13:00 -
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Kasira Vorrikesh wrote:knight guard fury wrote:even though caldari basically shun the tortured, they punish them by giving them horrible images at any given time.
the Minmatar torture for purpose and reason
the amarr torture for traitors, spies, agents, etc.
the Gallente torture to make examples of in the most brutal and horrible of ways Just glossed over the torture articles now (would never have guessed such entries existed). The Caldari kind is so subtle; definitely my favorite. Gallente style makes sense for special circumstances. I found the other two rather boring. *sniff* I'm so proud to be a Caldari right now. Well, my main is.
See? Caldari are subtle in their torture, the others are opulent (more or less.)
@Aztec: What are you talking about, Caldari don't have the influence? If our military was as large as the Gallente or Amarr, we'd have the strongest one. As it is, pound for pound, we are stronger. So strong that we fought the Gallente to a standstill with less than half the troops.
Names of playstyles
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary FIrm
797
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Posted - 2013.12.19 08:11:00 -
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Freedom is delicious. No matter how well you treat your slaves, they're still slaves.
In life, choice is more important than quality. If you don't have choice, you're not really living.
Capsuleers and mercenaries are all about freedom, so I thought you would understand...
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage looks nicer.
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