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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2170	Posted - 2013.12.16 22:25:00 - [31] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Logi Bro wrote: Why are you here? Go to the Intergalactic Summit. Nobody but other RP'ers care, everyone else is just going to use the race that has the best equipment. (Minmatar, at the moment, that's why we win all the FW matches.) Indeed and that is why FW has failed, there is no market to then show people how valuable Amarrian imperial content becomes. In EVE in circumstance like this many free lancer then switch to the losing side and farm LP and sell the FW items for massive profits until the other sides content becomes valuable. I believe the real problem lies in the fact that CCP decided to release FW 2.0 with out adding a p2p market. If we had this, then everyone would just trade the gear that they don't use for gear that they do use; irregardless of LP store. Use Combat Rifles over Rail Rifles? No problem. Just trade your RR and get a CR. It's exactly like the last FW event, but reversed. Which is utter BS. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4934	Posted - 2013.12.16 22:26:00 - [32] - Quote Badwolf Jones wrote: True Adamance wrote: See and this is what I think CCP needs in their descriptions, all sound positive, all have one or two negative points which counter balance the good. The PoW thing is a worrying thing though, glad I brought that to light for everyone. Just so everyone is aware, each race has their own ways of dealing with information gathering from prisoners. There have been several interesting chronicles written about this, for example here is one about the Amarr: http://community.eveonline.com/backstory/chronicles/methods-of-torture-the-amarr/ However as far as I know not other empire champions justice, fair treatment, and human rights so much so as the Gallente, and yet we see examples of physical torture against the male Caldari captured, and **** amongst the women..... That is a very clear sign that not all in the Federation is the shining example most people seem to have of them. If the Gallente truly do believe in equal right and fair treatment they have no excuse of this poor display. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Orion Vahid DUST University Ivy League 214	Posted - 2013.12.16 22:28:00 - [33] - Quote Lmao. Religious nut jobs and space MERIKA on one side, space Canada and third world countries on the other.
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4934	Posted - 2013.12.16 22:32:00 - [34] - Quote Orion Vahid wrote: Lmao. Religious nut jobs and space MERIKA on one side, space Canada and third world countries on the other. This is my point. The Amarr aren't nut jobs, they just believe in a God, which is not better or worse than anyone else's beliefs, whether or not you agree with faith you cannot condemn it. Ever man or woman can choose to have hope. (IRL I could understand why people believe in whatever they do, its a pretty nice way of looking at things, to have hope that things can always be better. I simply don't, doesn't mean I think they are crazy or foolish....I'm young and there are a lot of things I don't understand, it would almost be too easy to call them nut jobs....) To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Akdhar Saif Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 95	Posted - 2013.12.16 22:36:00 - [35] - Quote The way it's set out in EVE is that all the empires have good and bad sides. Even the Gallente and the Minmatar.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3282	Posted - 2013.12.16 22:39:00 - [36] - Quote I don't give 2 ***** about the "brutal" culture of the minmatar, but caldari and gallente are the same from what I understand. Just the caldari are honest assholes, while the gallente are assholes with masks on. We used to have a time machine
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 4172	Posted - 2013.12.16 22:50:00 - [37] - Quote I like the descriptions but the amarr one seems like its trying to twist the slavery angle into soething else, idk might have just been the way you said it. Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4936	Posted - 2013.12.16 22:56:00 - [38] - Quote gbghg wrote: I like the descriptions but the amarr one seems like its trying to twist the slavery angle into soething else, idk might have just been the way you said it. That's pretty much it, what we know as slavery is something entirely different, our social climate abhors it, but several hundred years ago it was what it was, several thousand it was necessary, tribes and clans would fight, make slaves of their enemies ( might I point out like the Minmatar did in antiquity) for the continued cycle of their existence, as warriors protected them, women produced the finished good of the raw materials the slaves would harvest. New Eden isn't like our world its equally as brutal and violent as those ages of antiquity were. The only moral compass we can draw from is our own we have developed IRL....but that is not cut out for life in New Eden. Basically I figure if we, as we are now, lived in New Eden we would all be dead within the week, or worse. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
DeadlyAztec11 2806	Posted - 2013.12.16 22:59:00 - [39] - Quote True Adamance wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: The issue I have with the Caldari is that somehow they are big capitalists but all their products are made extremely practical and they do not attempt any sort of marketing to appeal to the masses, there is no competition. The Government is a collective oligarchy that somehow gets things done really easily. It just sounds so implausible, it is like a society that depends on the fact that everybody just agree with each other for the better of everybody. Which begs the question, what do the CEO's do with all the money they get? I'm under the impression that they either agree to pay very high taxes or they voluntarily pump it back in the state. That's the other thing, they somehow have very low corruption despite having very lax rules about business. I know they were going with the whole "Space Sparta" deal but even Sparta had a ton of slaves to fuel their economic needs. There biggest similarity is that both Caldari and Sparta were dependant on constant warfare to survive. The Amarr are alright I guess, but I just personally don't like slavery, but as I said that is my personal issue. But they did enslave anyone that opposed them, they didn't treat them better because they were more advanced they treated them better if they didn't resist. Also the way they go about releasing slaves is that it usually takes countless generations of people and the finding of a new race or races to take their place. Although not as evident now, the Amarr economic system used to rely on constant expansion and capture of slaves to fuel their massive Empire. So it was more than a religious desire it was a necessity to expand, conquer and enslave. Not really different from most large Empires in human history; Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire, Russian Empire, Safavid Empire, Mughal Empire and even the Aztec (te-he) Empire; just to name a few. I would like to reiterate that this is all my personal opinion. There is insane competition between the megacorporations as they will fight over patents legally, and behind the scenes... but what irks me about your response is that you seem to think democracy is working in new eden (and less importantly IRL...which it is not doing so great...) As for the Amarr it is true that they have expanded and their processes of emancipation are slow....however groups like the Ni Kunni spent less than 1 generation enslaved. I didn't even use the word democracy or democratic in the entire response. Democracy in the real world is far from perfect but just about all forms of government that proceeded it were worse for the general populations that were under it. The only reason representative democracy works is because of checks & balances. That way if one part of the government does something stupid at least the other parts of the government can stop them, usually. You want to know why I chose the Gallante? They have the biggest variety, they do a little of everything. They have multiple religions, corporations, cultures and beliefs. By going Gallante I can choose any of the themes of the other races. And that is pretty cool. So why limit yourself when you can choose a race that allows you to expand your horizon in any direction you wish. I don't want one piece of paper I want the entire notebook. My alts: GeneralJohnRipper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity, CCP Rarara And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 698	Posted - 2013.12.16 23:01:00 - [40] - Quote Copied this from another thread: I always wish I could edit those descriptions, even if only to add the following TL;DR's to relate to the real world; 1) Amarr: I'll go with the above part about Rome, etc. (In another post of the original thread they mentioned how the Amarr were like ancient rome who assimlated other cultures into their own and tried to bring them up to "roman" standards) 2) Gallente: Herp derp freeeeeedom. Think George W. Bush's America with even more drug cartels, torture and paternalist imperialism, but less religion. (Maybe calling it DIckCheney's america would be even better, lol) 3) Caldari: Pure unabashed capitalism, rebelled from the Gallente because they were treated like second class citizens or even illegal immigrants 4) Minmatar: A brutish race ruled by tribal customs forced to work as indentured servants by the Amarr in a heavy-handed attempt to "civilize" them. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!

True Adamance Scions of Athra 4940	Posted - 2013.12.16 23:08:00 - [41] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: True Adamance wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: The issue I have with the Caldari is that somehow they are big capitalists but all their products are made extremely practical and they do not attempt any sort of marketing to appeal to the masses, there is no competition. The Government is a collective oligarchy that somehow gets things done really easily. It just sounds so implausible, it is like a society that depends on the fact that everybody just agree with each other for the better of everybody. Which begs the question, what do the CEO's do with all the money they get? I'm under the impression that they either agree to pay very high taxes or they voluntarily pump it back in the state. That's the other thing, they somehow have very low corruption despite having very lax rules about business. I know they were going with the whole "Space Sparta" deal but even Sparta had a ton of slaves to fuel their economic needs. There biggest similarity is that both Caldari and Sparta were dependant on constant warfare to survive. The Amarr are alright I guess, but I just personally don't like slavery, but as I said that is my personal issue. But they did enslave anyone that opposed them, they didn't treat them better because they were more advanced they treated them better if they didn't resist. Also the way they go about releasing slaves is that it usually takes countless generations of people and the finding of a new race or races to take their place. Although not as evident now, the Amarr economic system used to rely on constant expansion and capture of slaves to fuel their massive Empire. So it was more than a religious desire it was a necessity to expand, conquer and enslave. Not really different from most large Empires in human history; Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire, Russian Empire, Safavid Empire, Mughal Empire and even the Aztec (te-he) Empire; just to name a few. I would like to reiterate that this is all my personal opinion. There is insane competition between the megacorporations as they will fight over patents legally, and behind the scenes... but what irks me about your response is that you seem to think democracy is working in new eden (and less importantly IRL...which it is not doing so great...) As for the Amarr it is true that they have expanded and their processes of emancipation are slow....however groups like the Ni Kunni spent less than 1 generation enslaved. I didn't even use the word democracy or democratic in the entire response. Democracy in the real world is far from perfect but just about all forms of government that proceeded it were worse for the general populations that were under it. The only reason representative democracy works is because of checks & balances. That way if one part of the government does something stupid at least the other parts of the government can stop them, usually. You want to know why I chose the Gallante? They have the biggest variety, they do a little of everything. They have multiple religions, corporations, cultures and beliefs. By going Gallante I can choose any of the themes of the other races. And that is pretty cool. So why limit yourself when you can choose a race that allows you to expand your horizon in any direction you wish. I don't want one piece of paper I want the entire notebook. But that's the value of creativity, even as an Amarrian I could choose any theme I wished to from new eden and theme a character in that sense, I could have made him positive towards the Gallente, seeing the merits of diverse though as opposed to uniform thought, and since the Amarr celebrate individuality it would have been cake to slip True in there. Frankly speaking every racial group has endless opportunities to expand in New Eden. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4133	Posted - 2013.12.16 23:19:00 - [42] - Quote LOL at people who say "I didn't choose Amarr because I don't like slavery, but that's a personal issue." As if people who choose Amarr support slavery Though I understand if you personally have a hard time distinguishing the difference between Amarr "slavery" and 16th/17th century slavery on Earth. Hint, one of them is only called "slavery" by their enemies to attack them, when in actuality the "slaves" are given proper education, proper health care, infrastructure on their homeworlds, rights to retain their culture, respect, and are usually freed within one generation. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4133	Posted - 2013.12.16 23:22:00 - [43] - Quote gbghg wrote: I like the descriptions but the amarr one seems like its trying to twist the slavery angle into soething else, idk might have just been the way you said it. See above. People here the word "slavery" and immediately associate it with all these predetermined thoughts. Amarr "slavery" isn't remotely similar to what so many people here instantly believe it is. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4134	Posted - 2013.12.16 23:36:00 - [44] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: The Caldari is perfect. The Amarr needs to show that they actually enslaved the minmatar. The Minmatar just need a few minor word changes. And the Gallente needs to be more noon friendly I honestly still don't know what POWs means. I want to avoid the word slavery as people will instantly draw conclusions that are not accurate. Especially considering that in Amarr slaverly, the slaves are given proper nutrition, proper education, proper healthcare, infrastructure on their homeworlds, rights to retain aspects of their culture, and are usually freed within a generation. Those who treat their slaves poorly are sentenced to slavery itself. It's hardly what people see it as. And I do refer to it as slavery in the Minmatar description. But yes, the negatives of Amarr is that there are those slave owners who treat their slaves brutally and don't get caught, but that is not representative of Amarr in general. There is an Imperial Decree against such brutality. Those slave owners are to be thought of as criminals. Still a negative of Amarr, but again not representative of Amarr belief. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
DeadlyAztec11 2807	Posted - 2013.12.17 00:20:00 - [45] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: The Caldari is perfect. The Amarr needs to show that they actually enslaved the minmatar. The Minmatar just need a few minor word changes. And the Gallente needs to be more noon friendly I honestly still don't know what POWs means. I want to avoid the word slavery as people will instantly draw conclusions that are not accurate. Especially considering that in Amarr slaverly, the slaves are given proper nutrition, proper education, proper healthcare, infrastructure on their homeworlds, rights to retain aspects of their culture, and are usually freed within a generation. Those who treat their slaves poorly are sentenced to slavery itself. It's hardly what people see it as. And I do refer to it as slavery in the Minmatar description. But yes, the negatives of Amarr is that there are those slave owners who treat their slaves brutally and don't get caught, but that is not representative of Amarr in general. There is an Imperial Decree against such brutality. Those slave owners are to be thought of as criminals. Still a negative of Amarr, but again not representative of Amarr belief. Ever heard of Janissaries? Do a little research on them. They had immense amount of freedom and even power back in middle east. Yet despite that they were still slaves. My real issue with the Amarr is not so much slavery, it is why they enslave and how they feel about everybody else. I just don't like the way they act and how they believe they are so superior. For example I like Sansha's Nation, had they been a playable faction I would have chosen them without a second thought. I also like the Khanid, they enslave anybody they can, not for religious reasons or because they feel superior, no they do it because they want to make money. The Romans for example did not enslave people for the reason that they wanted to change or convert others, it is true that they enslaved people because they were "barbarians", they did it for the purpose of labor, a necessary evil of sorts. I suppose that the fact that the Amarr don't admit that is a turn off. My alts: GeneralJohnRipper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity, CCP Rarara And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4944	Posted - 2013.12.17 00:26:00 - [46] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: The Caldari is perfect. The Amarr needs to show that they actually enslaved the minmatar. The Minmatar just need a few minor word changes. And the Gallente needs to be more noon friendly I honestly still don't know what POWs means. I want to avoid the word slavery as people will instantly draw conclusions that are not accurate. Especially considering that in Amarr slaverly, the slaves are given proper nutrition, proper education, proper healthcare, infrastructure on their homeworlds, rights to retain aspects of their culture, and are usually freed within a generation. Those who treat their slaves poorly are sentenced to slavery itself. It's hardly what people see it as. And I do refer to it as slavery in the Minmatar description. But yes, the negatives of Amarr is that there are those slave owners who treat their slaves brutally and don't get caught, but that is not representative of Amarr in general. There is an Imperial Decree against such brutality. Those slave owners are to be thought of as criminals. Still a negative of Amarr, but again not representative of Amarr belief. Ever heard of Janissaries? Do a little research on them. They had immense amount of freedom and even power back in middle east. Yet despite that they were still slaves. My real issue with the Amarr is not so much slavery, it is why they enslave and how they feel about everybody else. I just don't like the way they act and how they believe they are so superior. For example I like Sansha's Nation, had they been a playable faction I would have chosen them without a second thought. I also like the Khanid, they enslave anybody they can, not for religious reasons or because they feel superior, no they do it because they want to make money. The Romans for example did not enslave people for the reason that they wanted to change or convert others, it is true that they enslaved people because they were "barbarians", they did it for the purpose of labor, a necessary evil of sorts. I suppose that the fact that the Amarr don't admit that is a turn off. Its a turn off that they are the only group that supports the unity of mankind? Anywho.....about the Nation....check True's first corp......lol might enlighten you as to the original orgins of my name.... To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1974	Posted - 2013.12.17 00:31:00 - [47] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: LOL at people who say "I didn't choose Amarr because I don't like slavery, but that's a personal issue." As if people who choose Amarr support slavery Though I understand if you personally have a hard time distinguishing the difference between Amarr "slavery" and 16th/17th century slavery on Earth. Hint, one of them is only called "slavery" by their enemies to attack them, when in actuality the "slaves" are given proper education, proper health care, infrastructure on their homeworlds, rights to retain their culture, respect, and are usually freed within one generation. Exactly, I chose amarr cause I thought they looked like the Coolest race....I didn't even read the description about them "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 316	Posted - 2013.12.17 00:36:00 - [48] - Quote For everyone's education. Slavery for a long time was not the slavery we had in America. Read up on Portugese slave codes, which is where we adopted them from. Slavery in Africa, which is where the majority of slaves were bought from, was not about race, it was about spoils of war. I capture you in tribal fighting, you are now my slave. Also, you weren't a slave for life, you were a slave for a set period of time. And any children you had were not slaves, since they had not been captured. They were as free as any other nonslave. The Portugese, needing a perpetual work force to have labor for their sugar crops in the Carribean, created "slave codes" which stated that slavery was based on race, you were a slave for life, and slavery was inherited from the parents. Originally in America, we had no idea how to treat slaves. There are documents showing that some slaves were able to sue their masters for mistreatment and win. But then we adopted the slave codes of the Portugese to have labor for growing tobacco and after that, cotton. Thus we have the idea of slavery as this awful thing, which it truly was. But it wasn't always the way it is shown now. We turned it into that. The Amarr treat their slaves better than we have ever seen slaves treated here on Earth. Hell, the Anmatar liked them so much they joined up with them. It isn't clear-cut in New Eden. Each race has their own damning and redeeming factors.
DeadlyAztec11 2808	Posted - 2013.12.17 00:48:00 - [49] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: LOL at people who say "I didn't choose Amarr because I don't like slavery, but that's a personal issue." As if people who choose Amarr support slavery Though I understand if you personally have a hard time distinguishing the difference between Amarr "slavery" and 16th/17th century slavery on Earth. Hint, one of them is only called "slavery" by their enemies to attack them, when in actuality the "slaves" are given proper education, proper health care, infrastructure on their homeworlds, rights to retain their culture, respect, and are usually freed within one generation. Exactly, I chose amarr cause I thought they looked like the Coolest race....I didn't even read the description about them If I knew the Gallante were going to be 4 eyed ugly SOB's I would have probably went Caldari lol My alts: GeneralJohnRipper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity, CCP Rarara And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Your Absolut End SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 315	Posted - 2013.12.17 00:59:00 - [50] - Quote Templar One gives a nice insight inespecially the amarrian and matari behavior and life, you'd be surprised by reading it, seriously. another one bites the Dust... Born as Kameira, die as Kameira, my life for the Empress!

Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1975	Posted - 2013.12.17 01:00:00 - [51] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: LOL at people who say "I didn't choose Amarr because I don't like slavery, but that's a personal issue." As if people who choose Amarr support slavery Though I understand if you personally have a hard time distinguishing the difference between Amarr "slavery" and 16th/17th century slavery on Earth. Hint, one of them is only called "slavery" by their enemies to attack them, when in actuality the "slaves" are given proper education, proper health care, infrastructure on their homeworlds, rights to retain their culture, respect, and are usually freed within one generation. Exactly, I chose amarr cause I thought they looked like the Coolest race....I didn't even read the description about them If I knew the Gallante were going to be 4 eyed ugly SOB's I would have probably went Caldari lol Lol my first toon was gallente cause I read eh description and was like "it's a space 'murika, definitely going for 'murika" :p "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 776	Posted - 2013.12.17 01:17:00 - [52] - Quote The Amarr's slavery is just as terrible as it sounds. They used to enslave absolutely everyone they came across that didn't immediately accept their religion, often times not even asking them if they would before beginning the process of enslavement. Not only that, they aren't required to free their slaves. They're encouraged to release their slaves when they feel that their slaves have properly embraced the faith, but they get to decide that, plus the slaves are forcefully converted, too. Most slaves are never emancipated unless they act like loyal dogs to the Amarr faith. Other than the Amarr's views on slavery and their dogmatic approach to religion, they're not so bad, though. I've never viewed the Caldari as evil. They're just highly capitalistic. Of course, having the State run by corporate executives... there's just so much wrong with that idea. Despite that, the Caldari are pretty fair. I actually like the Caldari for the most part, especially now that Tibus Heth is gone. The Gallente act like Americans. Highly individualistic, a lot of focus on personal liberties and entertainment, with a constant internal struggle between liberty and security within the Federation itself. For the most part, the Gallente are the most fair when it comes to civil and personal freedom, which is why I like them the most. The Minmatar Republic is full of corruption, perhaps even more so than the Caldari. Their tribal views are also in conflict with the rest of the cluster, and they are deeply motivated by retribution. They're willing to attack their own allies to achieve revenge against a single man. The only reason I can tolerate the Minmatar is because they're allies with the Federation. I sympathize due to their former enslavement at the hands of the Amarr, but that's all. Other than that, I have nothing but contempt for them. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage looks nicer.
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4946	Posted - 2013.12.17 01:30:00 - [53] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: The Amarr's slavery is just as terrible as it sounds. They used to enslave absolutely everyone they came across that didn't immediately accept their religion, often times not even asking them if they would before beginning the process of enslavement. Not only that, they aren't required to free their slaves. They're encouraged to release their slaves when they feel that their slaves have properly embraced the faith, but they get to decide that, plus the slaves are forcefully converted, too. Most slaves are never emancipated unless they act like loyal dogs to the Amarr faith. Other than the Amarr's views on slavery and their dogmatic approach to religion, they're not so bad, though. Its not nearly as terrible as it sounds. Slaves are cared for and treated better than most of those in Gallentean slums could ever hope for, they are educated in the ways of the Amarr, which is not such a bad thing, considering most lessons would be on Amarrian culture and history, it also makes sense because no racial groups educations systems are impartial. Holder's aren't required to free slaves though they consider it their sacred duty to strive to have those under their care accept the Amarrian faith. Again not so bad, eventually exposure to one cultural group or another rubs off one people (we are now exception IRL) most Minmatar slaves spend their lives being educated this way, much like many free Minmatar come to the opposite conclusion. Such is just how you were raised. There are no lies in this education, in the same manner Amarr are educated so too are the slaves. Do you wish to mention that there are example of Minmatar returning to the Republic, holding their ceremonies because they continue to embrace the faith being abused and killed for their choices? To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 699	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:21:00 - [54] - Quote Yeah, I think the American south is a much worse parallel to the Amarr than say, Ancient Rome and their assimilation of other races and "romanizing" them. Although, the best analogy is probably the misguided but non-malevolent "white man's burden" of the Victorian-era British empire. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4145	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:26:00 - [55] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Yeah, I think the American south is a much worse parallel to the Amarr than say, Ancient Rome and their assimilation of other races and "romanizing" them. Although, the best analogy is probably the misguided but non-malevolent "white man's burden" of the Victorian-era British empire. You probably shouldn't use terms such as "white man" when describing the Amarr as such terms are mostly used when discussing racism, which the Amarr are certainly not. In fact, the Amarr Empire is very ethnically diverse, second only to the Gallente Federation. Contrary to popular belief, the Amarr are very accepting of other races and culture practices, of course the catch is they are strict on religious views. However, at least there are no tensions between the various races in the Amarr Empire, except maybe between the True Amarr and Khanid which is only a very mild tension. Meanwhile in the Gallente Federation, tensions have never been higher between Gallente bloodlines and Matari bloodlines (those Matari that are Federation citizens). Quite frankly, most Gallenteans don't like, or even hate, the Matari immigrants. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9003	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:29:00 - [56] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: 3) Caldari: Pure unabashed capitalism, rebelled from the Gallente because they were treated like second class citizens or even illegal immigrants This was definitely a disgusting travesty to be sure, and I assure you, I too am equally enraged with my ancestors treatment of the Caldari. To actually assume them to be sentient creatures capable of complex thought was wrong of us, and for that, we deeply apologize. Vids / O7
First Prophet Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 1337	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:31:00 - [57] - Quote Sell harder. Users found this review helpful.
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4951	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:33:00 - [58] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: 3) Caldari: Pure unabashed capitalism, rebelled from the Gallente because they were treated like second class citizens or even illegal immigrants This was definitely a disgusting travesty to be sure, and I assure you, I too am equally enraged with my ancestors treatment of the Caldari. To actually assume them to be sentient creatures capable of complex thought was wrong of us, and for that, we deeply apologize. And this is the prime example of the standard Gallentean. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9003	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:38:00 - [59] - Quote True Adamance wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: 3) Caldari: Pure unabashed capitalism, rebelled from the Gallente because they were treated like second class citizens or even illegal immigrants This was definitely a disgusting travesty to be sure, and I assure you, I too am equally enraged with my ancestors treatment of the Caldari. To actually assume them to be sentient creatures capable of complex thought was wrong of us, and for that, we deeply apologize. And this is the prime example of the standard Gallentean. I'm just an upstanding citizen in a dark and cruel universe that's desperate to be liberated from the under evolved and less developed Vids / O7
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4951	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:42:00 - [60] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: True Adamance wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: 3) Caldari: Pure unabashed capitalism, rebelled from the Gallente because they were treated like second class citizens or even illegal immigrants This was definitely a disgusting travesty to be sure, and I assure you, I too am equally enraged with my ancestors treatment of the Caldari. To actually assume them to be sentient creatures capable of complex thought was wrong of us, and for that, we deeply apologize. And this is the prime example of the standard Gallentean. I'm just an upstanding citizen in a dark and cruel universe that's desperate to be liberated from the under evolved and less developed As many people have said to me, I shall adjust my comment for you... "No one wants your (Faith) Freedom!" Comment is an insult as well, scum like you shame the Gallente. People like Arkena, Jakar, etc those are you Gallentean elite...the rest of you are disappointments. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK



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