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True Adamance Scions of Athra 4932	Posted - 2013.12.16 21:37:00 - [1] - Quote Roger Cordill wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Just some working ideas on new descriptions. I'm no writer but nonetheless I think it gets the point across that each description needs to start out positively, tread on some negatives, then return to some positives. Amarr The Amarr Empire is the oldest and largest of the four empires. Based strongly around their religion with their mighty Empress at the head, they believe it is their responsibility to unite all the people of New Eden. To achieve this, they search for primitive worlds and guide them as parents to modern education and standards of living. Part of this guidance involves hardships, which some brutally take too far. In the end, the captured race is welcomed as full citizens among the Amarr Empire. This mass unity of peoples has brought great stability to New Eden. Minmatar Once a tribal and primitive people, they were captured by the Amarr many years ago. They believed their parental guidance to be more of a slavery, and rebelled against their oppressors. Through foreign aid, they were able to break free of their bondage with the Amarr Empire and form their own Minmatar Republic. To this day, they still hold onto their tribal ways making them quite aggressive in diplomatic affairs. They have won their freedom against all odds and proudly carry forth their culture into these new days. Gallente The second largest of the four empires, the Gallente Federation represents the only true democracy of New Eden. As they took to the stars, they actively searched for all other signs of life and liberated them from their old ways, spreading the ideologies of freedom and individuality across New Eden. With such a large democracy, some corruption has taken root such leading to terrifying treatment of POWs and accepting civilians as collateral during war. Regardless, the Gallente Federation remains the last hope of democracy in New Eden. Caldari Caldari State is a capitalistic society run by a number of megacorporations. Once a member of Gallente Federation, the Caldari seceded as they believed the Federation was unfairly taking advantage of their fiscal gains and taking away their cultural identity. While a society run entirely by corporations presents a cold and harsh reality, their culture is founded around the ideals of honor and duty as well as their motto, "All For The Good Of Many." The Caldari is perfect. The Amarr needs to show that they actually enslaved the minmatar. The Minmatar just need a few minor word changes. And the Gallente needs to be more noon friendly I honestly still don't know what POWs means. POW's means prisoners of war. See and this is what I think CCP needs in their descriptions, all sound positive, all have one or two negative points which counter balance the good. The PoW thing is a worrying thing though, glad I brought that to light for everyone. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4932	Posted - 2013.12.16 22:16:00 - [2] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Why are you here? Go to the Intergalactic Summit. Nobody but other RP'ers care, everyone else is just going to use the race that has the best equipment. (Minmatar, at the moment, that's why we win all the FW matches.) Indeed and that is why FW has failed, there is no market to then show people how valuable Amarrian imperial content becomes. In EVE in circumstance like this many free lancer then switch to the losing side and farm LP and sell the FW items for massive profits until the other sides content becomes valuable. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4934	Posted - 2013.12.16 22:23:00 - [3] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: The issue I have with the Caldari is that somehow they are big capitalists but all their products are made extremely practical and they do not attempt any sort of marketing to appeal to the masses, there is no competition. The Government is a collective oligarchy that somehow gets things done really easily. It just sounds so implausible, it is like a society that depends on the fact that everybody just agree with each other for the better of everybody. Which begs the question, what do the CEO's do with all the money they get? I'm under the impression that they either agree to pay very high taxes or they voluntarily pump it back in the state. That's the other thing, they somehow have very low corruption despite having very lax rules about business. I know they were going with the whole "Space Sparta" deal but even Sparta had a ton of slaves to fuel their economic needs. There biggest similarity is that both Caldari and Sparta were dependant on constant warfare to survive. The Amarr are alright I guess, but I just personally don't like slavery, but as I said that is my personal issue. But they did enslave anyone that opposed them, they didn't treat them better because they were more advanced they treated them better if they didn't resist. Also the way they go about releasing slaves is that it usually takes countless generations of people and the finding of a new race or races to take their place. Although not as evident now, the Amarr economic system used to rely on constant expansion and capture of slaves to fuel their massive Empire. So it was more than a religious desire it was a necessity to expand, conquer and enslave. Not really different from most large Empires in human history; Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire, Russian Empire, Safavid Empire, Mughal Empire and even the Aztec (te-he) Empire; just to name a few. I would like to reiterate that this is all my personal opinion. There is insane competition between the megacorporations as they will fight over patents legally, and behind the scenes... but what irks me about your response is that you seem to think democracy is working in new eden (and less importantly IRL...which it is not doing so great...) As for the Amarr it is true that they have expanded and their processes of emancipation are slow....however groups like the Ni Kunni spent less than 1 generation enslaved. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4934	Posted - 2013.12.16 22:26:00 - [4] - Quote Badwolf Jones wrote: True Adamance wrote: See and this is what I think CCP needs in their descriptions, all sound positive, all have one or two negative points which counter balance the good. The PoW thing is a worrying thing though, glad I brought that to light for everyone. Just so everyone is aware, each race has their own ways of dealing with information gathering from prisoners. There have been several interesting chronicles written about this, for example here is one about the Amarr: http://community.eveonline.com/backstory/chronicles/methods-of-torture-the-amarr/ However as far as I know not other empire champions justice, fair treatment, and human rights so much so as the Gallente, and yet we see examples of physical torture against the male Caldari captured, and **** amongst the women..... That is a very clear sign that not all in the Federation is the shining example most people seem to have of them. If the Gallente truly do believe in equal right and fair treatment they have no excuse of this poor display. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4934	Posted - 2013.12.16 22:32:00 - [5] - Quote Orion Vahid wrote: Lmao. Religious nut jobs and space MERIKA on one side, space Canada and third world countries on the other. This is my point. The Amarr aren't nut jobs, they just believe in a God, which is not better or worse than anyone else's beliefs, whether or not you agree with faith you cannot condemn it. Ever man or woman can choose to have hope. (IRL I could understand why people believe in whatever they do, its a pretty nice way of looking at things, to have hope that things can always be better. I simply don't, doesn't mean I think they are crazy or foolish....I'm young and there are a lot of things I don't understand, it would almost be too easy to call them nut jobs....) To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4936	Posted - 2013.12.16 22:56:00 - [6] - Quote gbghg wrote: I like the descriptions but the amarr one seems like its trying to twist the slavery angle into soething else, idk might have just been the way you said it. That's pretty much it, what we know as slavery is something entirely different, our social climate abhors it, but several hundred years ago it was what it was, several thousand it was necessary, tribes and clans would fight, make slaves of their enemies ( might I point out like the Minmatar did in antiquity) for the continued cycle of their existence, as warriors protected them, women produced the finished good of the raw materials the slaves would harvest. New Eden isn't like our world its equally as brutal and violent as those ages of antiquity were. The only moral compass we can draw from is our own we have developed IRL....but that is not cut out for life in New Eden. Basically I figure if we, as we are now, lived in New Eden we would all be dead within the week, or worse. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4940	Posted - 2013.12.16 23:08:00 - [7] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: True Adamance wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: The issue I have with the Caldari is that somehow they are big capitalists but all their products are made extremely practical and they do not attempt any sort of marketing to appeal to the masses, there is no competition. The Government is a collective oligarchy that somehow gets things done really easily. It just sounds so implausible, it is like a society that depends on the fact that everybody just agree with each other for the better of everybody. Which begs the question, what do the CEO's do with all the money they get? I'm under the impression that they either agree to pay very high taxes or they voluntarily pump it back in the state. That's the other thing, they somehow have very low corruption despite having very lax rules about business. I know they were going with the whole "Space Sparta" deal but even Sparta had a ton of slaves to fuel their economic needs. There biggest similarity is that both Caldari and Sparta were dependant on constant warfare to survive. The Amarr are alright I guess, but I just personally don't like slavery, but as I said that is my personal issue. But they did enslave anyone that opposed them, they didn't treat them better because they were more advanced they treated them better if they didn't resist. Also the way they go about releasing slaves is that it usually takes countless generations of people and the finding of a new race or races to take their place. Although not as evident now, the Amarr economic system used to rely on constant expansion and capture of slaves to fuel their massive Empire. So it was more than a religious desire it was a necessity to expand, conquer and enslave. Not really different from most large Empires in human history; Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire, Russian Empire, Safavid Empire, Mughal Empire and even the Aztec (te-he) Empire; just to name a few. I would like to reiterate that this is all my personal opinion. There is insane competition between the megacorporations as they will fight over patents legally, and behind the scenes... but what irks me about your response is that you seem to think democracy is working in new eden (and less importantly IRL...which it is not doing so great...) As for the Amarr it is true that they have expanded and their processes of emancipation are slow....however groups like the Ni Kunni spent less than 1 generation enslaved. I didn't even use the word democracy or democratic in the entire response. Democracy in the real world is far from perfect but just about all forms of government that proceeded it were worse for the general populations that were under it. The only reason representative democracy works is because of checks & balances. That way if one part of the government does something stupid at least the other parts of the government can stop them, usually. You want to know why I chose the Gallante? They have the biggest variety, they do a little of everything. They have multiple religions, corporations, cultures and beliefs. By going Gallante I can choose any of the themes of the other races. And that is pretty cool. So why limit yourself when you can choose a race that allows you to expand your horizon in any direction you wish. I don't want one piece of paper I want the entire notebook. But that's the value of creativity, even as an Amarrian I could choose any theme I wished to from new eden and theme a character in that sense, I could have made him positive towards the Gallente, seeing the merits of diverse though as opposed to uniform thought, and since the Amarr celebrate individuality it would have been cake to slip True in there. Frankly speaking every racial group has endless opportunities to expand in New Eden. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4944	Posted - 2013.12.17 00:26:00 - [8] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: The Caldari is perfect. The Amarr needs to show that they actually enslaved the minmatar. The Minmatar just need a few minor word changes. And the Gallente needs to be more noon friendly I honestly still don't know what POWs means. I want to avoid the word slavery as people will instantly draw conclusions that are not accurate. Especially considering that in Amarr slaverly, the slaves are given proper nutrition, proper education, proper healthcare, infrastructure on their homeworlds, rights to retain aspects of their culture, and are usually freed within a generation. Those who treat their slaves poorly are sentenced to slavery itself. It's hardly what people see it as. And I do refer to it as slavery in the Minmatar description. But yes, the negatives of Amarr is that there are those slave owners who treat their slaves brutally and don't get caught, but that is not representative of Amarr in general. There is an Imperial Decree against such brutality. Those slave owners are to be thought of as criminals. Still a negative of Amarr, but again not representative of Amarr belief. Ever heard of Janissaries? Do a little research on them. They had immense amount of freedom and even power back in middle east. Yet despite that they were still slaves. My real issue with the Amarr is not so much slavery, it is why they enslave and how they feel about everybody else. I just don't like the way they act and how they believe they are so superior. For example I like Sansha's Nation, had they been a playable faction I would have chosen them without a second thought. I also like the Khanid, they enslave anybody they can, not for religious reasons or because they feel superior, no they do it because they want to make money. The Romans for example did not enslave people for the reason that they wanted to change or convert others, it is true that they enslaved people because they were "barbarians", they did it for the purpose of labor, a necessary evil of sorts. I suppose that the fact that the Amarr don't admit that is a turn off. Its a turn off that they are the only group that supports the unity of mankind? Anywho.....about the Nation....check True's first corp......lol might enlighten you as to the original orgins of my name.... To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4946	Posted - 2013.12.17 01:30:00 - [9] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: The Amarr's slavery is just as terrible as it sounds. They used to enslave absolutely everyone they came across that didn't immediately accept their religion, often times not even asking them if they would before beginning the process of enslavement. Not only that, they aren't required to free their slaves. They're encouraged to release their slaves when they feel that their slaves have properly embraced the faith, but they get to decide that, plus the slaves are forcefully converted, too. Most slaves are never emancipated unless they act like loyal dogs to the Amarr faith. Other than the Amarr's views on slavery and their dogmatic approach to religion, they're not so bad, though. Its not nearly as terrible as it sounds. Slaves are cared for and treated better than most of those in Gallentean slums could ever hope for, they are educated in the ways of the Amarr, which is not such a bad thing, considering most lessons would be on Amarrian culture and history, it also makes sense because no racial groups educations systems are impartial. Holder's aren't required to free slaves though they consider it their sacred duty to strive to have those under their care accept the Amarrian faith. Again not so bad, eventually exposure to one cultural group or another rubs off one people (we are now exception IRL) most Minmatar slaves spend their lives being educated this way, much like many free Minmatar come to the opposite conclusion. Such is just how you were raised. There are no lies in this education, in the same manner Amarr are educated so too are the slaves. Do you wish to mention that there are example of Minmatar returning to the Republic, holding their ceremonies because they continue to embrace the faith being abused and killed for their choices? To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4951	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:33:00 - [10] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: 3) Caldari: Pure unabashed capitalism, rebelled from the Gallente because they were treated like second class citizens or even illegal immigrants This was definitely a disgusting travesty to be sure, and I assure you, I too am equally enraged with my ancestors treatment of the Caldari. To actually assume them to be sentient creatures capable of complex thought was wrong of us, and for that, we deeply apologize. And this is the prime example of the standard Gallentean. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK

True Adamance Scions of Athra 4951	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:42:00 - [11] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: True Adamance wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: 3) Caldari: Pure unabashed capitalism, rebelled from the Gallente because they were treated like second class citizens or even illegal immigrants This was definitely a disgusting travesty to be sure, and I assure you, I too am equally enraged with my ancestors treatment of the Caldari. To actually assume them to be sentient creatures capable of complex thought was wrong of us, and for that, we deeply apologize. And this is the prime example of the standard Gallentean. I'm just an upstanding citizen in a dark and cruel universe that's desperate to be liberated from the under evolved and less developed As many people have said to me, I shall adjust my comment for you... "No one wants your (Faith) Freedom!" Comment is an insult as well, scum like you shame the Gallente. People like Arkena, Jakar, etc those are you Gallentean elite...the rest of you are disappointments. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4952	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:56:00 - [12] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: The Amarr's slavery is just as terrible as it sounds. They used to enslave absolutely everyone they came across that didn't immediately accept their religion, often times not even asking them if they would before beginning the process of enslavement. Not only that, they aren't required to free their slaves. They're encouraged to release their slaves when they feel that their slaves have properly embraced the faith, but they get to decide that, plus the slaves are forcefully converted, too. Most slaves are never emancipated unless they act like loyal dogs to the Amarr faith. Other than the Amarr's views on slavery and their dogmatic approach to religion, they're not so bad, though. Its not nearly as terrible as it sounds. Slaves are cared for and treated better than most of those in Gallentean slums could ever hope for, they are educated in the ways of the Amarr, which is not such a bad thing, considering most lessons would be on Amarrian culture and history, it also makes sense because no racial groups educations systems are impartial. Holder's aren't required to free slaves though they consider it their sacred duty to strive to have those under their care accept the Amarrian faith. Again not so bad, eventually exposure to one cultural group or another rubs off one people (we are now exception IRL) most Minmatar slaves spend their lives being educated this way, much like many free Minmatar come to the opposite conclusion. Such is just how you were raised. There are no lies in this education, in the same manner Amarr are educated so too are the slaves. Do you wish to mention that there are example of Minmatar returning to the Republic, holding their ceremonies because they continue to embrace the faith being abused and killed for their choices? We'll the slaves might be treated "well" but they are treated well in the same respect as toy poodles and ponies are treated well. There owners can punish them as they see fit, within Amarrian law, and can even change their names if they want. They separate families and limit the exposure of people to certain groups in an attempt of de facto breeding. They are property. You make it sound like they are Janissaries, but at least Janissaries could hold high positions in politics and were paid, they were also allowed to marry freely into the families of high and low classes. No they are not like indentured servants, indentured servants were under contracts or they had fallen into debt with the understanding of what could happen. I fail to see your point. I do not respect you (IC not at all OCC sure) but I am not mistreating you...... Example of Holders exploiting their slaves and subjects are records of public history with those corrupt Holders being subject to slavery themselves or the rulings of the Speakers of Truth.....Articio Kor Azor is a prime example of this, who mended his ways post ruling, and has since gone on to work closely with the development of the Anmatar. As for the breeding of Kamieras...well I cannot say that is not unkind, but love is irrelevant in the service of God, something must be done, and siring such strong and noble warriors is a higher honour than many realise. However in Amarrian society no low born citizens marry into the upper echelon, such is the bane of being nobility and holding together the greatest empire in existence. Marriage between Minmatar and Amarr is not common, but not uncommon though. The low born like myself are very luck. I will get to marry who I choose one day.... To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4955	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:02:00 - [13] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: True Adamance wrote: As many people have said to me, I shall adjust my comment for you... "No one wants your (Faith) Freedom!" Comment is an insult as well, scum like you shame the Gallente. People like Arkena, Jakar, etc those are you Gallentean elite...the rest of you are disappointments. What's that? I couldn't hear you over your Gods astounding lack of existence Comments like this only show that you are a close minded individual and incapable of performing a proper argument. I would attempt such a feat, but I was told not to stoop to other peoples levels, so I must hold fast. Just because your people have yet to enter the future, does not mean that I must help you up. There's a reason you side with the Caldari, but...I should stop the insults for now. A pack of dogs is still a threat when riled up too much. See and that is the ignorance of the Gallente. Faith, cultural advancement, scientific advancement are not mutually exclusive. All in balance creates the Empire we have today. While your people were scrabbling around forming the pitiful excuse of an empire you control today the Amarr were conquerors like no others. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4955	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:05:00 - [14] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: True, stop feeding the troll. Trolls have no effect on me. Considering I was the biggest troll Dark Souls ever saw....or atleast I like to think so....forcing 9 (confirmed) players to quit the game due to my success at Gravelording, and general douche baggery both in game and in the hate mail responding game....I know their tricks. It doesn't matter how much he argues, I know I am right. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4955	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:06:00 - [15] - Quote sira draco wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Just going to copy/paste this from another thread, figure it could use a little more attention. Note that it may sound like I am portraying the Amarr and Caldari as pure good and Gallente and Minmatar are pure evil, but that is not the case. Since everyone seems to believe the opposite, I thought I'd bring out some points refuting, that is all. No one is trying to mask anything, this is simply how things are. And no, you don't have to be a reformist to believe Amarr and Caldari have plenty of good sides. Try to keep an open mind on the matter. DeadlyAztec11 wrote: No matter how you mask it, the Amarr are religious conquers that enslave people. While the Caldari are large government people that control their citizens with something akin to janisariers and serfdom, as well as their leaders are large corporate capitalists. To go beyond that you would need to make explanations for the Caldari and Amarr much more lengthy. When you start to get more into the story the lines between right and wrong start to blur, but even then the Caldari and Amarr are still seen as somewhat bad guys. I know I was originally going to choose Amarr, my thinking was, "These guys are like Crusaders in space, on a mission from the divine... o.O". Then I read they enslaved people and I said "** that, I hate social injustice like that.". Then I read about the Caldari and thought "Wow, space Communists! Cool!", BUT!- I then did EXTRA research online and realized that they weren't communists at all and thought "These guys aren't even trying to really help people, they are just what would happen if Japan was administered by Wal-Mart and they all decided to look like grey communists". The CaldarI and Amarr just aren't appealing unless you want to be an antagonist, or possibly if you want to be a reformer, IE an Amarr that wants to free the slaves or a Caldari that wants more social liberties. But let me ask you True, how would you have written the descriptions? You see, True, it's people like this who make all your efforts null. "No matter how you mask it"? We're not trying to mask anything. The Amarr don't just go an enslave anyone willy nilly. All the races they enslave are primitive and aggressive. That does not exclude the Minmatar, who are perhaps the most violent culture New Eden has ever seen. When Amarr "enslaves" them (really, they are guiding them as a parent figure) they transform them into more peaceful human beings that bring more stability to New Eden. Oh and yeah, Amarr are all about peace and stability among New Eden, that is the whole premise of their religion and it is also evident by how they are watching over the other three empires. And you're right, Caldari aren't space communists. In fact, they are space capitalists which is the EXACT opposite. And where do you get that they are trying to hate people? Oh and guess what? Amarr does free all their slaves, that is part of their culture, it is not the acts of reformists. Oh and guess what? Caldari do have social liberties, it is part of their culture, it is not the acts of reformists. Meanwhile, you have the Minmatar who as already stated are perhaps the most brutal culture New Eden has ever seen and you have the Gallente who have a sincere lack of respect for human life the main thing keeping their economy afloat is the drug cartel, they treat their POW's worse than anything you've heard of on Earth, and they willingly accept their citizens as "collateral damage" if it means capturing the enemy. I 'm a mercenary, I care nothing for politics or religion I fight for the empires that give me the gear and money I need Great how much do I have to pay you to ** off now? To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4958	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:13:00 - [16] - Quote Man some people need to put New Eden into context. Be thankful you guys aren't playing a Warhammer 40k game where the 1000 humans a day are sacrificed to the Emperor on the Golden Throne to ensure his continued survival and his almost omnipotent psychic potential to guide humanity through the vastness of space where innumerable monsters, aliens, malign gods, and implacable enemies await man kind, ready to tear it apart at a moments notice.... Above is ******* terrifying.....democracy does not hold humanity together. The Will of the Emperor does. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4958	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:14:00 - [17] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: True Adamance wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: True, stop feeding the troll. Trolls have no effect on me. Considering I was the biggest troll Dark Souls ever saw....or atleast I like to think so....forcing 9 (confirmed) players to quit the game due to my success at Gravelording, and general douche baggery both in game and in the hate mail responding game....I know their tricks. It doesn't matter how much he argues, I know I am right. It's just RP fun anyways Yeah but its not good RP when you do is insult and regurgitate the same stuff I am proving irrelevant and pointless. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4958	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:18:00 - [18] - Quote First Prophet wrote: "Blood for the blood god." -Amarr citizen GORK AN' MORK! - Minmatar Citizen To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4963	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:31:00 - [19] - Quote First Prophet wrote: True Adamance wrote: First Prophet wrote: "Blood for the blood god." -Amarr citizen GORK AN' MORK! - Minmatar Citizen I'm not nerd enough to know whether to take offense to this. Orkz are pretty cool and really are the Minmatar of 40k..... angry, creative, tribal, bastards that can make anything out of trash. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4963	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:34:00 - [20] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: True Adamance wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: True Adamance wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: True, stop feeding the troll. Trolls have no effect on me. Considering I was the biggest troll Dark Souls ever saw....or atleast I like to think so....forcing 9 (confirmed) players to quit the game due to my success at Gravelording, and general douche baggery both in game and in the hate mail responding game....I know their tricks. It doesn't matter how much he argues, I know I am right. It's just RP fun anyways Yeah but its not good RP when you do is insult and regurgitate the same stuff I am proving irrelevant and pointless. You prove nothing by spewing your ignorance at me, but I see your point. There is no sense talking with an Amarr, anyone who sees a Caldari as anything other than a speed bump in the cosmic timeline has no business in New Eden. We will liberate this Universe from the shackles of your peoples inability, and we will bring a bright and glorious future to all who accept it with open arms. Ignorance? When have I displayed ignorance, I am the first amongst many to acknowledge the issues the unenlightened bring to bare against my people, an the first to explain them in the terms of your people. Ignorance is not discussing, it is refusing to see that which in front of you while denying its existence. You last comment sounds like something our people preach to the unenlightened. Wake up, your Federations Imperial dreams are so great in scale they rival that of the Amarr. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK

True Adamance Scions of Athra 4965	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:42:00 - [21] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: True Adamance wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: The Amarr's slavery is just as terrible as it sounds. They used to enslave absolutely everyone they came across that didn't immediately accept their religion, often times not even asking them if they would before beginning the process of enslavement. Not only that, they aren't required to free their slaves. They're encouraged to release their slaves when they feel that their slaves have properly embraced the faith, but they get to decide that, plus the slaves are forcefully converted, too. Most slaves are never emancipated unless they act like loyal dogs to the Amarr faith. Other than the Amarr's views on slavery and their dogmatic approach to religion, they're not so bad, though. Its not nearly as terrible as it sounds. Slaves are cared for and treated better than most of those in Gallentean slums could ever hope for, they are educated in the ways of the Amarr, which is not such a bad thing, considering most lessons would be on Amarrian culture and history, it also makes sense because no racial groups educations systems are impartial. Holder's aren't required to free slaves though they consider it their sacred duty to strive to have those under their care accept the Amarrian faith. Again not so bad, eventually exposure to one cultural group or another rubs off one people (we are now exception IRL) most Minmatar slaves spend their lives being educated this way, much like many free Minmatar come to the opposite conclusion. Such is just how you were raised. There are no lies in this education, in the same manner Amarr are educated so too are the slaves. Do you wish to mention that there are example of Minmatar returning to the Republic, holding their ceremonies because they continue to embrace the faith being abused and killed for their choices? We'll the slaves might be treated "well" but they are treated well in the same respect as toy poodles and ponies are treated well. There owners can punish them as they see fit, within Amarrian law, and can even change their names if they want. They separate families and limit the exposure of people to certain groups in an attempt of de facto breeding. They are property. You make it sound like they are Janissaries, but at least Janissaries could hold high positions in politics and were paid, they were also allowed to marry freely into the families of high and low classes. No they are not like indentured servants, indentured servants were under contracts or they had fallen into debt with the understanding of what could happen. I fail to see your point. I do not respect you (IC not at all OCC sure) but I am not mistreating you...... Example of Holders exploiting their slaves and subjects are records of public history with those corrupt Holders being subject to slavery themselves or the rulings of the Speakers of Truth.....Articio Kor Azor is a prime example of this, who mended his ways post ruling, and has since gone on to work closely with the development of the Anmatar. As for the breeding of Kamieras...well I cannot say that is not unkind, but love is irrelevant in the service of God, something must be done, and siring such strong and noble warriors is a higher honour than many realise. However in Amarrian society no low born citizens marry into the upper echelon, such is the bane of being nobility and holding together the greatest empire in existence. Marriage between Minmatar and Amarr is not common, but not uncommon though. The low born like myself are very luck. I will get to marry who I choose one day.... I know I keep referencing Janissaries and they sound like they are from EVE but they are actually a slave warrior class of the long gone Ottoman Empire, similar to Kaimeras. Here if you want to know more. Yeah..... Kamieras are bred to fight..... To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4965	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:44:00 - [22] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: True Adamance wrote: [quote=First Prophet][quote=True Adamance] I would suspect they smell the same too. It is a fair comparison. Unthinking horde with no honor. That's probably not true.....a hulking mass of unwashed sweat, fungus, and gutz is likely to be a very potent scent...... but in the billions.....that would be an abomination. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4967	Posted - 2013.12.17 04:01:00 - [23] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Atiim wrote: Ion Crush wrote: The Amarr attacked the Jove with the intention of conquering and enslaving them. The Jove are neither violent or primitive. The Jove have few numbers and the Amarrians perceived them as weak and easily conquerable. You also forgot to mention how badly they failed That doesnt matter at all. They saw the chance to conquer a society and that's that. I really hate it when people try to be apologetics about this **. Accept it that no faction is good. oh and that thing about POWs, I suggest reading the chronicals regarding each races method of torture and then kindly stfu whoever said the POW comment. There are no good guys in New Eden, accept it you idiots. No....you misunderstand. I'm not interested in what is done....merely that it is done by those who would champion the fair treatment of humans. Why do the Gallente not simply lock up the Caldari women, why do they ** them as well as the torture? To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4969	Posted - 2013.12.17 04:19:00 - [24] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Atiim wrote: Ion Crush wrote: The Amarr attacked the Jove with the intention of conquering and enslaving them. The Jove are neither violent or primitive. The Jove have few numbers and the Amarrians perceived them as weak and easily conquerable. You also forgot to mention how badly they failed That doesnt matter at all. They saw the chance to conquer a society and that's that. I really hate it when people try to be apologetics about this **. Accept it that no faction is good. oh and that thing about POWs, I suggest reading the chronicals regarding each races method of torture and then kindly stfu whoever said the POW comment. There are no good guys in New Eden, accept it you idiots. No....you misunderstand. I'm not interested in what is done....merely that it is done by those who would champion the fair treatment of humans. Why do the Gallente not simply lock up the Caldari women, why do they ** them as well as the torture? Because humans are evil and all the races ideals are just a facade. So the Gallente have not faith in the ideals they supposedly uphold? To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4977	Posted - 2013.12.17 09:52:00 - [25] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: knight guard fury wrote: I have read up on much lore about the Minmatar, my bloodline, and some chronicles (which im still reading) and I have got to say that they are still going through some hard times with them fighting the Ammatar/amarr conflict and surviving on their own, but they continue to live on because of their religion/tribes/culture/etc. and that is one of the reasons I chose to be a Matari and I fight for them with a reason, not because other people persuaded me. You should probably look a bit into the Gallente's lore as well, your supposed ally. When you look at how you two met, it becomes evident that the Gallente only sparked and fueled your rebellion against the Amarr because they felt threatened by the Amarr and wanted to take advantage of the Amarr's recent defeat to the Jove. Really, the Minmatar are just puppets of war to the Gallente to gain an edge on the only other empire large enough to threaten them. It becomes even more evident that the Gallente are simply using the Minmatar when you realize that most the Gallente citizens never truly welcomes the Matari into the Federation, and there remains several tensions between the two sides, including most recently a series of incidents which began with a Federation citizen murdering 59 Matari including a Matari tribal leader. The Chronicles never say most as you say. It always references it to some or a lot, but certainly not most. There's much dirt about the federation and its policies but you can do so without stretching words to prove your point. You'll never catch me saying most Amarr agree with Vitox poisoning so please, use facts, there's certainly a lot out there. Aeros character can believe that as a matter of speculation even with no proof, as my character does. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK

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