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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
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Posted - 2013.12.16 17:44:00 -
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Just going to copy/paste this from another thread, figure it could use a little more attention. Note that it may sound like I am portraying the Amarr and Caldari as pure good and Gallente and Minmatar are pure evil, but that is not the case. Since everyone seems to believe the opposite, I thought I'd bring out some points refuting, that is all.
No one is trying to mask anything, this is simply how things are. And no, you don't have to be a reformist to believe Amarr and Caldari have plenty of good sides. Try to keep an open mind on the matter.
DeadlyAztec11 wrote: No matter how you mask it, the Amarr are religious conquers that enslave people. While the Caldari are large government people that control their citizens with something akin to janisariers and serfdom, as well as their leaders are large corporate capitalists.
To go beyond that you would need to make explanations for the Caldari and Amarr much more lengthy.
When you start to get more into the story the lines between right and wrong start to blur, but even then the Caldari and Amarr are still seen as somewhat bad guys.
I know I was originally going to choose Amarr, my thinking was, "These guys are like Crusaders in space, on a mission from the divine... o.O". Then I read they enslaved people and I said "**** that, I hate social injustice like that.".
Then I read about the Caldari and thought "Wow, space Communists! Cool!", BUT!- I then did EXTRA research online and realized that they weren't communists at all and thought "These guys aren't even trying to really help people, they are just what would happen if Japan was administered by Wal-Mart and they all decided to look like grey communists".
The CaldarI and Amarr just aren't appealing unless you want to be an antagonist, or possibly if you want to be a reformer, IE an Amarr that wants to free the slaves or a Caldari that wants more social liberties.
But let me ask you True, how would you have written the descriptions?
You see, True, it's people like this who make all your efforts null. "No matter how you mask it"? We're not trying to mask anything.
The Amarr don't just go an enslave anyone willy nilly. All the races they enslave are primitive and aggressive. That does not exclude the Minmatar, who are perhaps the most violent culture New Eden has ever seen. When Amarr "enslaves" them (really, they are guiding them as a parent figure) they transform them into more peaceful human beings that bring more stability to New Eden. Oh and yeah, Amarr are all about peace and stability among New Eden, that is the whole premise of their religion and it is also evident by how they are watching over the other three empires.
And you're right, Caldari aren't space communists. In fact, they are space capitalists which is the EXACT opposite. And where do you get that they are trying to hate people?
Oh and guess what? Amarr does free all their slaves, that is part of their culture, it is not the acts of reformists. Oh and guess what? Caldari do have social liberties, it is part of their culture, it is not the acts of reformists.
Meanwhile, you have the Minmatar who as already stated are perhaps the most brutal culture New Eden has ever seen and you have the Gallente who have a sincere lack of respect for human life the main thing keeping their economy afloat is the drug cartel, they treat their POW's worse than anything you've heard of on Earth, and they willingly accept their citizens as "collateral damage" if it means capturing the enemy.
Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
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Princess Abi-Hime
Pradox XVI
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Posted - 2013.12.16 17:50:00 -
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smells like propaganda to me
The Metalhead Mercenary
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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
4114
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Posted - 2013.12.16 17:52:00 -
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Princess Abi-Hime wrote:smells like propaganda to me Yeah, because how dare anyone say there is any right in religious slavery
Did you even read it? Or just instant "WINmatar, trust in rust!"
Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
8945
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Posted - 2013.12.16 17:54:00 -
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Gallente is like sex.
Even bad sex is good.
Yup, even that kind.
Vids / O7
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1288
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Posted - 2013.12.16 17:55:00 -
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Empress Jamyl did nothing wrong! |
Princess Abi-Hime
Pradox XVI
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Posted - 2013.12.16 17:58:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Princess Abi-Hime wrote:smells like propaganda to me Yeah, because how dare anyone say there is any right in religious slavery Did you even read it? Or just instant "WINmatar, trust in rust!" did you say something? *jerks minnie brothers next to me*
The Metalhead Mercenary
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Kristoff Atruin
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1445
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Posted - 2013.12.16 17:59:00 -
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That's the thing people don't get. The lore of New Eden is very heavily infuenced by Icelandic culture. Everything is dark and brutal. It really is a dystopia, and we as immortals just happen to be above it all looking down. |
dent 308
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.12.16 17:59:00 -
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Basic point is there are no good guys. Just varying varieties of villain. Just like real life.
Great quote from 'The Zero Effect' 'There are no good guys, no bad guys, its all just a bunch of guys'
Hail Satan
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iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
1211
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Posted - 2013.12.16 18:00:00 -
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Its 4 flavours of humanity warts and all.
"We spent so much time huddling inside buildings with tanks circling outside like a swarm of sharks around bait"
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Ion Crush
Altyr Initiative
145
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Posted - 2013.12.16 18:00:00 -
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The Amarr attacked the Jove with the intention of conquering and enslaving them. The Jove are neither violent or primitive. The Jove have few numbers and the Amarrians perceived them as weak and easily conquerable. |
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Leovarian L Lavitz
NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention
871
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Posted - 2013.12.16 18:03:00 -
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The minmatar had reached a state of mechanical excellance never before nor after seen when the Amarr invaded. The minmatar is the only race that had approached building their own stargates rather than finding them like the rest. Those acceleration gates are originally minmatar.
No, I don't think the enslavement of the minmatar was the correct course of action. Within the next millennium the technological wonders that may have been worked by the minmatar would perhaps been quite the sight to behold. Just speculation, though.
Speculation based in observation. Almost all lab and tech firms throughout new eden hire sebestior tribesmen or use enslaved sebestiors in their work due to their incredible passion and talent in the sciences.
Omni-Soldier
Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
2166
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Posted - 2013.12.16 18:06:00 -
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Ion Crush wrote:The Amarr attacked the Jove with the intention of conquering and enslaving them. The Jove are neither violent or primitive. The Jove have few numbers and the Amarrians perceived them as weak and easily conquerable. You also forgot to mention how badly they failed
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
1277
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Posted - 2013.12.16 18:29:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Gallente is like sex. Even bad sex is good. Yup, even that kind. I could tell you all the wrongs in this post but then you'd learn something & I wouldn't have a warm feeling in my heart knowing one day you just can't hit and quit all them kittens
"The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
8953
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Posted - 2013.12.16 18:31:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Gallente is like sex. Even bad sex is good. Yup, even that kind. I could tell you all the wrongs in this post but then you'd learn something & I wouldn't have a warm feeling in my heart knowing one day you just can't hit and quit all them kittens I'd rather you didn't tell me everything wrong with your post either, I can see just fine from here.
If Gallente could only go left, they'd still be right.
Vids / O7
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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
4115
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Posted - 2013.12.16 18:32:00 -
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Just some working ideas on new descriptions. I'm no writer but nonetheless I think it gets the point across that each description needs to start out positively, tread on some negatives, then return to some positives.
Amarr The Amarr Empire is the oldest and largest of the four empires. Based strongly around their religion with their mighty Empress at the head, they believe it is their responsibility to unite all the people of New Eden. To achieve this, they search for primitive worlds and guide them as parents to modern education and standards of living. Part of this guidance involves hardships, which some brutally take too far. In the end, the captured race is welcomed as full citizens among the Amarr Empire. This mass unity of peoples has brought great stability to New Eden.
Minmatar Once a tribal and primitive people, they were captured by the Amarr many years ago. They believed their parental guidance to be more of a slavery, and rebelled against their oppressors. Through foreign aid, they were able to break free of their bondage with the Amarr Empire and form their own Minmatar Republic. To this day, they still hold onto their tribal ways making them quite aggressive in diplomatic affairs. They have won their freedom against all odds and proudly carry forth their culture into these new days.
Gallente The second largest of the four empires, the Gallente Federation represents the only true democracy of New Eden. As they took to the stars, they actively searched for all other signs of life and liberated them from their old ways, spreading the ideologies of freedom and individuality across New Eden. With such a large democracy, some corruption has taken root such leading to terrifying treatment of POWs and accepting civilians as collateral during war. Regardless, the Gallente Federation remains the last hope of democracy in New Eden.
Caldari Caldari State is a capitalistic society run by a number of megacorporations. Once a member of Gallente Federation, the Caldari seceded as they believed the Federation was unfairly taking advantage of their fiscal gains and taking away their cultural identity. While a society run entirely by corporations presents a cold and harsh reality, their culture is founded around the ideals of honor and duty as well as their motto, "All For The Good Of Many."
Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
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Lv2spd2
Slow And Old
125
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Posted - 2013.12.16 18:33:00 -
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Good? Bad? I'm the guy with the gun.
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
1278
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Posted - 2013.12.16 21:15:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Gallente is like sex. Even bad sex is good. Yup, even that kind. I could tell you all the wrongs in this post but then you'd learn something & I wouldn't have a warm feeling in my heart knowing one day you just can't hit and quit all them kittens I'd rather you didn't tell me everything wrong with your post either, I can see just fine from here. If Gallente could only go left, they'd still be right. +1
"The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
1278
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Posted - 2013.12.16 21:21:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Just some working ideas on new descriptions. I'm no writer but nonetheless I think it gets the point across that each description needs to start out positively, tread on some negatives, then return to some positives.
Amarr The Amarr Empire is the oldest and largest of the four empires. Based strongly around their religion with their mighty Empress at the head, they believe it is their responsibility to unite all the people of New Eden. To achieve this, they search for primitive worlds and guide them as parents to modern education and standards of living. Part of this guidance involves hardships, which some brutally take too far. In the end, the captured race is welcomed as full citizens among the Amarr Empire. This mass unity of peoples has brought great stability to New Eden.
Minmatar Once a tribal and primitive people, they were captured by the Amarr many years ago. They believed their parental guidance to be more of a slavery, and rebelled against their oppressors. Through foreign aid, they were able to break free of their bondage with the Amarr Empire and form their own Minmatar Republic. To this day, they still hold onto their tribal ways making them quite aggressive in diplomatic affairs. They have won their freedom against all odds and proudly carry forth their culture into these new days.
Gallente The second largest of the four empires, the Gallente Federation represents the only true democracy of New Eden. As they took to the stars, they actively searched for all other signs of life and liberated them from their old ways, spreading the ideologies of freedom and individuality across New Eden. With such a large democracy, some corruption has taken root such leading to terrifying treatment of POWs and accepting civilians as collateral during war. Regardless, the Gallente Federation remains the last hope of democracy in New Eden.
Caldari Caldari State is a capitalistic society run by a number of megacorporations. Once a member of Gallente Federation, the Caldari seceded as they believed the Federation was unfairly taking advantage of their fiscal gains and taking away their cultural identity. While a society run entirely by corporations presents a cold and harsh reality, their culture is founded around the ideals of honor and duty as well as their motto, "All For The Good Of Many." The Caldari is perfect. The Amarr needs to show that they actually enslaved the minmatar. The Minmatar just need a few minor word changes. And the Gallente needs to be more noon friendly I honestly still don't know what POWs means.
"The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
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Kane Fyea
Scions of Athra
2409
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Posted - 2013.12.16 21:24:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Just some working ideas on new descriptions. I'm no writer but nonetheless I think it gets the point across that each description needs to start out positively, tread on some negatives, then return to some positives.
Amarr The Amarr Empire is the oldest and largest of the four empires. Based strongly around their religion with their mighty Empress at the head, they believe it is their responsibility to unite all the people of New Eden. To achieve this, they search for primitive worlds and guide them as parents to modern education and standards of living. Part of this guidance involves hardships, which some brutally take too far. In the end, the captured race is welcomed as full citizens among the Amarr Empire. This mass unity of peoples has brought great stability to New Eden.
Minmatar Once a tribal and primitive people, they were captured by the Amarr many years ago. They believed their parental guidance to be more of a slavery, and rebelled against their oppressors. Through foreign aid, they were able to break free of their bondage with the Amarr Empire and form their own Minmatar Republic. To this day, they still hold onto their tribal ways making them quite aggressive in diplomatic affairs. They have won their freedom against all odds and proudly carry forth their culture into these new days.
Gallente The second largest of the four empires, the Gallente Federation represents the only true democracy of New Eden. As they took to the stars, they actively searched for all other signs of life and liberated them from their old ways, spreading the ideologies of freedom and individuality across New Eden. With such a large democracy, some corruption has taken root such leading to terrifying treatment of POWs and accepting civilians as collateral during war. Regardless, the Gallente Federation remains the last hope of democracy in New Eden.
Caldari Caldari State is a capitalistic society run by a number of megacorporations. Once a member of Gallente Federation, the Caldari seceded as they believed the Federation was unfairly taking advantage of their fiscal gains and taking away their cultural identity. While a society run entirely by corporations presents a cold and harsh reality, their culture is founded around the ideals of honor and duty as well as their motto, "All For The Good Of Many." The Caldari is perfect. The Amarr needs to show that they actually enslaved the minmatar. The Minmatar just need a few minor word changes. And the Gallente needs to be more noon friendly I honestly still don't know what POWs means. POW = Prisoner Of War |
Roger Cordill
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
265
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Posted - 2013.12.16 21:26:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Just some working ideas on new descriptions. I'm no writer but nonetheless I think it gets the point across that each description needs to start out positively, tread on some negatives, then return to some positives.
Amarr The Amarr Empire is the oldest and largest of the four empires. Based strongly around their religion with their mighty Empress at the head, they believe it is their responsibility to unite all the people of New Eden. To achieve this, they search for primitive worlds and guide them as parents to modern education and standards of living. Part of this guidance involves hardships, which some brutally take too far. In the end, the captured race is welcomed as full citizens among the Amarr Empire. This mass unity of peoples has brought great stability to New Eden.
Minmatar Once a tribal and primitive people, they were captured by the Amarr many years ago. They believed their parental guidance to be more of a slavery, and rebelled against their oppressors. Through foreign aid, they were able to break free of their bondage with the Amarr Empire and form their own Minmatar Republic. To this day, they still hold onto their tribal ways making them quite aggressive in diplomatic affairs. They have won their freedom against all odds and proudly carry forth their culture into these new days.
Gallente The second largest of the four empires, the Gallente Federation represents the only true democracy of New Eden. As they took to the stars, they actively searched for all other signs of life and liberated them from their old ways, spreading the ideologies of freedom and individuality across New Eden. With such a large democracy, some corruption has taken root such leading to terrifying treatment of POWs and accepting civilians as collateral during war. Regardless, the Gallente Federation remains the last hope of democracy in New Eden.
Caldari Caldari State is a capitalistic society run by a number of megacorporations. Once a member of Gallente Federation, the Caldari seceded as they believed the Federation was unfairly taking advantage of their fiscal gains and taking away their cultural identity. While a society run entirely by corporations presents a cold and harsh reality, their culture is founded around the ideals of honor and duty as well as their motto, "All For The Good Of Many." The Caldari is perfect. The Amarr needs to show that they actually enslaved the minmatar. The Minmatar just need a few minor word changes. And the Gallente needs to be more noon friendly I honestly still don't know what POWs means.
POW's means prisoners of war. |
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True Adamance
Scions of Athra
4932
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Posted - 2013.12.16 21:37:00 -
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Roger Cordill wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Just some working ideas on new descriptions. I'm no writer but nonetheless I think it gets the point across that each description needs to start out positively, tread on some negatives, then return to some positives.
Amarr The Amarr Empire is the oldest and largest of the four empires. Based strongly around their religion with their mighty Empress at the head, they believe it is their responsibility to unite all the people of New Eden. To achieve this, they search for primitive worlds and guide them as parents to modern education and standards of living. Part of this guidance involves hardships, which some brutally take too far. In the end, the captured race is welcomed as full citizens among the Amarr Empire. This mass unity of peoples has brought great stability to New Eden.
Minmatar Once a tribal and primitive people, they were captured by the Amarr many years ago. They believed their parental guidance to be more of a slavery, and rebelled against their oppressors. Through foreign aid, they were able to break free of their bondage with the Amarr Empire and form their own Minmatar Republic. To this day, they still hold onto their tribal ways making them quite aggressive in diplomatic affairs. They have won their freedom against all odds and proudly carry forth their culture into these new days.
Gallente The second largest of the four empires, the Gallente Federation represents the only true democracy of New Eden. As they took to the stars, they actively searched for all other signs of life and liberated them from their old ways, spreading the ideologies of freedom and individuality across New Eden. With such a large democracy, some corruption has taken root such leading to terrifying treatment of POWs and accepting civilians as collateral during war. Regardless, the Gallente Federation remains the last hope of democracy in New Eden.
Caldari Caldari State is a capitalistic society run by a number of megacorporations. Once a member of Gallente Federation, the Caldari seceded as they believed the Federation was unfairly taking advantage of their fiscal gains and taking away their cultural identity. While a society run entirely by corporations presents a cold and harsh reality, their culture is founded around the ideals of honor and duty as well as their motto, "All For The Good Of Many." The Caldari is perfect. The Amarr needs to show that they actually enslaved the minmatar. The Minmatar just need a few minor word changes. And the Gallente needs to be more noon friendly I honestly still don't know what POWs means. POW's means prisoners of war.
See and this is what I think CCP needs in their descriptions, all sound positive, all have one or two negative points which counter balance the good.
The PoW thing is a worrying thing though, glad I brought that to light for everyone.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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Commander Tzu
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
83
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Posted - 2013.12.16 21:55:00 -
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Also, the Caldari actually have democracy. I am a little fuzzy on the details and can look them up again, but basically if you work for a company you have shares of that company, and you can vote during shareholder meetings. Sometimes people sell their votes to certain well-known individuals, or join together to vote as a group over important issues. Plus, I would like to post a part of the Caldari description from the EVE site: "Although this gives the corporations dictatorial powers, they are just as bound by Caldari customs and laws as the individual, and the fierce, continual competition between the corporations ensures a healthy, consumer-based social environment, which benefits everyone."
I am Caldari on DUST and EVE, I will fight to the death to defend my State! |
Michael Hyperthraz
Minmatar Nomads
42
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:03:00 -
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Typical propaganda. Do not let those filthy amarrians to confuse you! |
DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:07:00 -
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The issue I have with the Caldari is that somehow they are big capitalists but all their products are made extremely practical and they do not attempt any sort of marketing to appeal to the masses, there is no competition. The Government is a collective oligarchy that somehow gets things done really easily.
It just sounds so implausible, it is like a society that depends on the fact that everybody just agree with each other for the better of everybody. Which begs the question, what do the CEO's do with all the money they get? I'm under the impression that they either agree to pay very high taxes or they voluntarily pump it back in the state. That's the other thing, they somehow have very low corruption despite having very lax rules about business.
I know they were going with the whole "Space Sparta" deal but even Sparta had a ton of slaves to fuel their economic needs. There biggest similarity is that both Caldari and Sparta were dependant on constant warfare to survive.
The Amarr are alright I guess, but I just personally don't like slavery, but as I said that is my personal issue.
But they did enslave anyone that opposed them, they didn't treat them better because they were more advanced they treated them better if they didn't resist.
Also the way they go about releasing slaves is that it usually takes countless generations of people and the finding of a new race or races to take their place. Although not as evident now, the Amarr economic system used to rely on constant expansion and capture of slaves to fuel their massive Empire. So it was more than a religious desire it was a necessity to expand, conquer and enslave. Not really different from most large Empires in human history; Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire, Russian Empire, Safavid Empire, Mughal Empire and even the Aztec (te-he) Empire; just to name a few.
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Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
2484
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:11:00 -
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Why are you here? Go to the Intergalactic Summit.
Nobody but other RP'ers care, everyone else is just going to use the race that has the best equipment. (Minmatar, at the moment, that's why we win all the FW matches.)
No, I am not CCP Logibro.
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True Adamance
Scions of Athra
4932
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:16:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Why are you here? Go to the Intergalactic Summit.
Nobody but other RP'ers care, everyone else is just going to use the race that has the best equipment. (Minmatar, at the moment, that's why we win all the FW matches.)
Indeed and that is why FW has failed, there is no market to then show people how valuable Amarrian imperial content becomes.
In EVE in circumstance like this many free lancer then switch to the losing side and farm LP and sell the FW items for massive profits until the other sides content becomes valuable.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
2170
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:18:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Why are you here? Go to the Intergalactic Summit.
Nobody but other RP'ers care, everyone else is just going to use the race that has the best equipment. (Minmatar, at the moment, that's why we win all the FW matches.)
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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DeadlyAztec11
2806
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:19:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Why are you here? Go to the Intergalactic Summit.
Nobody but other RP'ers care, everyone else is just going to use the race that has the best equipment. (Minmatar, at the moment, that's why we win all the FW matches.) They are convinced that the Amarr and Caldari have a harder time winning in FW because of the way CCP markets the factions.
To be honest it should be backward, more hardcore players should be more prone to pick Caldari and Amarr.
So this all circles back to the fact that most people want to be Gallante and Minmatar while Caldari are third popular and Amarr are the least popular.
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Badwolf Jones
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
103
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:20:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
See and this is what I think CCP needs in their descriptions, all sound positive, all have one or two negative points which counter balance the good.
The PoW thing is a worrying thing though, glad I brought that to light for everyone.
Just so everyone is aware, each race has their own ways of dealing with information gathering from prisoners. There have been several interesting chronicles written about this, for example here is one about the Amarr:
http://community.eveonline.com/backstory/chronicles/methods-of-torture-the-amarr/ |
True Adamance
Scions of Athra
4934
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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:23:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:The issue I have with the Caldari is that somehow they are big capitalists but all their products are made extremely practical and they do not attempt any sort of marketing to appeal to the masses, there is no competition. The Government is a collective oligarchy that somehow gets things done really easily.
It just sounds so implausible, it is like a society that depends on the fact that everybody just agree with each other for the better of everybody. Which begs the question, what do the CEO's do with all the money they get? I'm under the impression that they either agree to pay very high taxes or they voluntarily pump it back in the state. That's the other thing, they somehow have very low corruption despite having very lax rules about business.
I know they were going with the whole "Space Sparta" deal but even Sparta had a ton of slaves to fuel their economic needs. There biggest similarity is that both Caldari and Sparta were dependant on constant warfare to survive.
The Amarr are alright I guess, but I just personally don't like slavery, but as I said that is my personal issue.
But they did enslave anyone that opposed them, they didn't treat them better because they were more advanced they treated them better if they didn't resist.
Also the way they go about releasing slaves is that it usually takes countless generations of people and the finding of a new race or races to take their place. Although not as evident now, the Amarr economic system used to rely on constant expansion and capture of slaves to fuel their massive Empire. So it was more than a religious desire it was a necessity to expand, conquer and enslave. Not really different from most large Empires in human history; Roman Empire, Ottoman Empire, Russian Empire, Safavid Empire, Mughal Empire and even the Aztec (te-he) Empire; just to name a few.
I would like to reiterate that this is all my personal opinion.
There is insane competition between the megacorporations as they will fight over patents legally, and behind the scenes... but what irks me about your response is that you seem to think democracy is working in new eden (and less importantly IRL...which it is not doing so great...)
As for the Amarr it is true that they have expanded and their processes of emancipation are slow....however groups like the Ni Kunni spent less than 1 generation enslaved.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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