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Fire of Prometheus wrote:

So I went proto commando cause I thought "YOLO why not?"

Well here's why not:

The PROTO commando Has the same # of slots as a BASIC heavy (the equipment slot on commando replaces the nade slot on the heavy)

It is an amarr suit, yet has more high slots than low (seriously why?) fix: give it 1 more low slot across all tiers.

It needs a slight pg/CPU buff at the proto level (not a lot, maybe like 5 pg and 15 CPU)

And for the love of all that is good!!!!! Give it at least a 15hp/sec shield recharge rate, my proto commando takes 40 seconds to go from 0 shields to full (403 shields)

Ccp please fix the commando, there is a reason why there is literally only 7 proto commandos in existence.

EDIT: I just realized the PROTO commando has the exact same # of slots as a MLT heavy

EDIT#2: this sums up nicely what is happening (excerpt from post #52)

General12912 wrote:

.....It was meant for multiple battlefield roles at once like sniper/assualt. You will need more than just the ability to change between two different light weapons in order to fully accomplish that.

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Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 330	Posted - 2013.12.21 15:47:00 - [91] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: I personally think the Commando Dropsuit should be like the Assault Dropsuit, except with a focus on durability rather than mobility, and giving up the Grenade for a second Light Weapon. Agreed, ccp could have done a better way of implementing the commando role, however I doubt they will change the commandos "frame size" were a simple buff would do. Na, I'm happy with it being a heavy suit. Light get scout and pilot, mediums get logi and assault, and heavies get sentinel and commando. People have brought up real life examples as a reason for mediums being the suit that should be commando, but the fact is that commandos, special forces, have in the main been tasked with carrying multiple weapons groups with all equipment to support themselves due to the need to be self sufficient for most operations. Mobility is either on foot, meaning they are extremely tough and strong individuals, or fast transport like jeeps, light trucks, or boats. This is a game but the heavy suit fits what are real life standards through history. Plus I'm a heavy and I like my commando The suit price is actually fairly well balanced to others. The suit price might be higher than others, but when the suit is fully fitted it's not far off the price of another fully fitted suits of a similar level but different class. Logis are more pricey but they have the most potential for a higher return. If more slots were introduced to the commando then the actual suit price could be reduced to reflex the cost of fitting the extra modules. The CPU and PG doesn't need to be raised much. At optimum, we should be able to fit a proto commando with complex modules, 1 proto weapon, and basic or advanced level secondary weapon and equipment, the same restrictions that other suit classes have to deal with. The main change that has to happen is to give the suit a 20/sec shield regen, and the basic to have a low slot. After that just a slight tweak to CPU and PG would give the suit a good solid base.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2054	Posted - 2013.12.21 15:55:00 - [92] - Quote Fair enough, but we all agree that some sort of buff is needed? I too like the commando as a heavy suit and see that it's logical for it to be a heavy suit. The slots issue is an iffy one. There are times were it seems necessary to add more slots, but ere are times were a simple "reorganization" of the slots will do (just swap the # of slots to 1h/2l at proto) "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle <3 Commando AK.0
Oxskull Duncarino Tickle My Null-Sac 332	Posted - 2013.12.21 16:04:00 - [93] - Quote Oh yeh, the fact the suit needs a buff is without question in my view. But, I don't want too much of a buff as the two light weapon ability on a well tanked suit could very easily snowball into a massively OP suit. I'm liking CCP's recent changes to the game so I'm fairly confident they'll get it right. As long as it doesn't take the next half year to get to that point
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 851	Posted - 2013.12.21 16:09:00 - [94] - Quote Yes, buff is needed. Also, I'm tired of all these people talking about making Commando into a Light Dropsuit. It makes more sense on a Heavy Frame. For one, a running theme with Heavy Dropsuits is their excessive weapons capability. Most get a Heavy Weapon, but the Commando gets two Light Weapons, which is fair enough. For two, Light Dropsuits don't really need the versatility that two Light Weapons provide. They're designed to be fast so they can choose which situations they get into. For example, a Light Dropsuit with a Shotgun or Sniper Rifle can easily get into the range they want, but a Heavy Dropsuit with the same weapons wouldn't be so lucky. Yes, Light Dropsuits do need a buff, but that's besides the point. For three, I kind of like the way Commandos work now. I tried the Black Eagles Dropsuit and I didn't enjoy it. Let's face it, Light Dropsuits aren't really meant for combat, so giving them two Light Weapons doesn't help all that much. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage looks nicer.
T'orq DUST University Ivy League 46	Posted - 2013.12.21 16:14:00 - [95] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Unless you need AV Grenades and Flux Grenades. That is true, but you have to use a different class or skill into swarm launchers or plasma canons, Personally I have a AV fit on a sentinel suit, FG and AV grenades As for the flux, I use medium frames or a hmg fit. But yes, I agree with what Fire suggested about interchangeable ammo for the MD( and maybe PLC?) would be very nice 'Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.' - John 15:13. A code for logis.
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 465	Posted - 2013.12.21 17:14:00 - [96] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: So I went proto commando cause I thought "YOLO why not?" Well here's why not: The PROTO commando Has the same # of slots as a BASIC heavy (the equipment slot on commando replaces the nade slot on the heavy) It is an amarr suit, yet has more high slots than low (seriously why?) fix: give it 1 more low slot across all tiers. It needs a slight pg/CPU buff at the proto level (not a lot, maybe like 5 pg and 15 CPU) And for the love of all that is good!!!!! Give it at least a 15hp/sec shield recharge rate, my proto commando takes 40 seconds to go from 0 shields to full (403 shields) Ccp please fix the commando, there is a reason why there is literally only 7 proto commandos in existence. EDIT: I just realized the PROTO commando has the exact same # of slots as a MLT heavy EDIT#2: this sums up nicely what is happening (excerpt from post #52) General12912 wrote: .....It was meant for multiple battlefield roles at once like sniper/assualt. You will need more than just the ability to change between two different light weapons in order to fully accomplish that. I know. I want to love the commando but even when I do ok with it, I take damage and thats it, I am stuck hiding in cover for what seems like forever trying to regenerate health and shields. Also why are there armour repairs but no shield repairs??? That may aid the commando.
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 465	Posted - 2013.12.21 17:17:00 - [97] - Quote T'orq wrote: The Eristic wrote: Up the speed a touch, increase slot count and improve layout (1/1 -> 1/2 -> 2/2 or some such), increase shield regen and CPU/PG, rethink racial role bonus and maybe build in ~2hp/sec repper (especially if slot situation isn't improved), lower the price to be in line with Sentinels of the same level. It's an everything sink for no apparent reason at the moment. Also, now that grenades seem to be a little more under control, I think it'd be fun to make a "Mad Bomber" Commando variant that exchanges a LW slot (or both - sidearm only?) for extra grenade and equipment slots (2/2 -> 3/2) to spice up the role a little, but require Commando IV to make it costly to access. I like this idea, especially the armor repper and slot lay out, except maybe make it 1 high and 3 lows at proto level, cause I could care less about putting more than one damage mod or using shield extenders. I would want more armor and armor rep. I know right. 1. Shields seem so weak compared to armour. 2. Even if you did for somecrazy reason increase shield hitpoints they take forever and a day to regenerate. 3. Damage mods are vastly superior in those slots.
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 740	Posted - 2013.12.21 17:25:00 - [98] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: 1. Shields are so weak compared to armour. 2. Even if you did for somecrazy reason increase shield hitpoints they take forever and a day to regenerate. 3. Damage mods are vastly superior in those slots. FFTY. Armor Tanking is the better way to tank, currently, however with the coming of 2 weapons that obliterate armor, it's iffy. But shields got a nerf, so... ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
T'orq DUST University Ivy League 46	Posted - 2013.12.21 18:01:00 - [99] - Quote That is true, but as for me Amarr and Gallete needs to play as armor, and caldari shield, and minmatar as either/or no matter what Give three of the heavy suits are yet to arrive=( Edit I personally will stick with armor, regardless or the new armor eating weapons 'Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.' - John 15:13. A code for logis.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2075	Posted - 2013.12.21 19:20:00 - [100] - Quote CCP at least acknowledge us :( "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle <3 Commando AK.0

Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 750	Posted - 2013.12.21 19:44:00 - [101] - Quote Fire, can I be part of the Commando 6? I'm one of the only people to use it for the designated role. I'll be your best friend? 7 is way better than 6? ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2083	Posted - 2013.12.21 19:45:00 - [102] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: Fire, can I be part of the Commando 6? I'm one of the only people to use it for the designated role. I'll be your best friend? 7 is way better than 6? Lol you'll be an honourary member :p Proud member of the Commndo 6 <3 Commando AK.0
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 750	Posted - 2013.12.21 19:46:00 - [103] - Quote Good enough. YOLO. Come on guys, lend me your Shotguns. And Assault Rifles. I need both. ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2083	Posted - 2013.12.21 19:48:00 - [104] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: Good enough. YOLO. Come on guys, lend me your Shotguns. And Assault Rifles. I need both. Lol YOLO is the way I play when running commando....it's pretty effective....in terms of laughter produced XD Proud member of the Commndo 6 <3 Commando AK.0
mini rehak The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 161	Posted - 2013.12.21 19:57:00 - [105] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: Fire, can I be part of the Commando 6? I'm one of the only people to use it for the designated role. I'll be your best friend? 7 is way better than 6? Welcome to the club! Nice to see other commandos out there. We need to stick together and get some Commando awareness going on. CCP show us some love. Commando Power!! Proud member of the Commando 6
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 751	Posted - 2013.12.21 20:13:00 - [106] - Quote Yup. I love the Commando, but I don't play it near enough. Mostly because every single match I queue up for, and say "You know what, I want to run Commando!" that same match, it's just a proto-fest. :P Should I skill up to ADV-Commando? I'm pretty effective with the Basic Commando, but I might need those Armor Repairers later on. Or a KinCat. Or a CarReg. Whatever. Is the low slot useful? ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2085	Posted - 2013.12.21 20:16:00 - [107] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: Yup. I love the Commando, but I don't play it near enough. Mostly because every single match I queue up for, and say "You know what, I want to run Commando!" that same match, it's just a proto-fest. :P Should I skill up to ADV-Commando? I'm pretty effective with the Basic Commando, but I might need those Armor Repairers later on. Or a KinCat. Or a CarReg. Whatever. Is the low slot useful? It is.....but.....no it's alright, but you'll need proto if you want to feel somewhat "protected" by ehp :) Proud member of the Commndo 6 <3 Commando AK.0
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 752	Posted - 2013.12.21 20:27:00 - [108] - Quote Hm... Can't tell if someone is trying to trick me into proto-commando or it's actually worth the 2.1 million SP... ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1901	Posted - 2013.12.21 20:32:00 - [109] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: Hm... Can't tell if someone is trying to trick me into proto-commando or it's actually worth the 2.1 million SP... I skilled adv and now run an Imperial Proto. it doesn't feel like a total waste anymore. 2 light damage mods, a RR and a swarm work halfway decent for area defense from infantry and vehicles. Really I think CCP should make the ADV commando the standard version, the proto ADV and have a new tier on top with 2h 2l and more CPU/PG. Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 864	Posted - 2013.12.21 20:33:00 - [110] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: Hm... Can't tell if someone is trying to trick me into proto-commando or it's actually worth the 2.1 million SP... It's not worth it. Standard Commando? Worth it. Advanced Commando? Eh... Proto Commando? Definitely not. There's almost no difference in effectiveness for me between the Advanced Commando and Proto Commando. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage looks nicer.

T'orq DUST University Ivy League 55	Posted - 2013.12.21 20:35:00 - [111] - Quote Yeah, now if the slot lay out for proto was 1h/2l in would be worth it Thanjac- Proud Member of Commando 6 Commando Lives
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2086	Posted - 2013.12.21 20:36:00 - [112] - Quote Lol go proto if you want, I personally run basic cause it's cheap (around 12k per fit) and it does just as good Proud member of the Commndo 6 <3 Commando AK.0
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 755	Posted - 2013.12.21 20:37:00 - [113] - Quote Ok, I'll just skill into ADV (If I have SP leftover after I get Boundless CBRs and Boundless Mass Drivers, which I probably will), and if I want to try Proto, I'll grind out LP in Amarr FW. God, I hate Amarr FW. ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2086	Posted - 2013.12.21 20:38:00 - [114] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: Ok, I'll just skill into ADV (If I have SP leftover after I get Boundless CBRs and Boundless Mass Drivers, which I probably will), and if I want to try Proto, I'll grind out LP in Amarr FW. God, I hate Amarr FW. Lol wise choice, go adv and use LP to, try proto :) Proud member of the Commndo 6 <3 Commando AK.0
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1902	Posted - 2013.12.21 20:39:00 - [115] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: Ok, I'll just skill into ADV (If I have SP leftover after I get Boundless CBRs and Boundless Mass Drivers, which I probably will), and if I want to try Proto, I'll grind out LP in Amarr FW. God, I hate Amarr FW. oh god I feel you there. But the specialist SCR and LP proto suits are just so nice. Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2088	Posted - 2013.12.21 20:41:00 - [116] - Quote Back to buffing the commando..... Proud member of the Commndo 6 <3 Commando AK.0
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 756	Posted - 2013.12.21 20:44:00 - [117] - Quote Yea, sorry about that, for some reason all I do today is de-rail topics. My bad. Carry on. Join the Learning Coalition. Buff Commando. There we go. Honestly though, it needs a low slot across all teirs. Share some stats with the Assault class, and allow me to stack 5 Myrofibral Stimulants /trollface. ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 867	Posted - 2013.12.21 23:05:00 - [118] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: Share some stats with the Assault class That's my idea, Ghost! What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage looks nicer.
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 759	Posted - 2013.12.21 23:06:00 - [119] - Quote No idea who this "Ghost" guy is, but my name is Art. /troll Was it? I didn't read this whole post. Sorry. I agree with you. ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 867	Posted - 2013.12.21 23:16:00 - [120] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: No idea who this "Ghost" guy is, but my name is Art. I'll always call you Ghost. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage looks nicer.



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