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Naviticus wrote:

I was fine with lvl 5 commando sniper/swarm comb, then it got "accidentally nerfed in every patch since 1.4 (i.e. rendering distance not being able to see anything on concrete structures(which still isnt fixed after saying its been fixed 4x already))and purposely nerfed in 1.7. I would tower snipe, call it what you call it but you cant call me a redline sniper. I mean whats not to hate a sniper with no cover on a 5x20 platform. Oh which the towers have been nerfed too dunno why but now you cant stand on the slanted obelisks any more But anyways thats the only way i seen the suit fit was high up away from ground combat providing anti vehicle support for your crew, over watch, and eliminate enemy AV when you have a friendly tanks.

To whoever stated about commandos running around with 2 proto douvalles.... who cares.... they die in that suit thats what 180k of guns? add 95k for suit 24k for shield extenders and plates? Round 300k because he was too lazy to reload? id say go for it, beats heavies with scrambler rifles and ar's

Commando suit us under powered overpriced and just not effective on the ground for the cost of it for what its possibilities are. I can tell you one thing...... Im not putting 2 light weapons on the fluffy expensive no regen proto suit to die in .7 seconds costing me 200k because CCP wants to make dust into COD

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Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1969	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:18:00 - [1] - Quote So I went proto commando cause I thought "YOLO why not?" Well here's why not: The proto commando Has 1 more slot than MLT heavy (the equipment slot). It is an amarr suit, yet has more high slots than low (seriously why?) fix: give it 1 more low slot across all tiers. It needs a slight pg/CPU buff at the proto level (not a lot, maybe like 5 pg and 15 CPU) And for the love of all that is good!!!!! Give it a 15hp/sec shield recharge rate, my proto commando takes 40 seconds to go from 0 shields to full (403 shields) Ccp please fix the commando, there is a reason why there is literally only 6 proto commandos in existence. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 753	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:36:00 - [2] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: there is a reason why there is literally only 6 proto commandos in existence. Am I included in that count? What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage looks nicer.
Cosgar ParagonX 8734	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:41:00 - [3] - Quote How would you feel if the the commando was a light suit? I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 754	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:46:00 - [4] - Quote Cosgar wrote: How would you feel if the the commando was a light suit? Light dropsuits should be buffed before something like that happens. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage looks nicer.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1971	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:48:00 - [5] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: there is a reason why there is literally only 6 proto commandos in existence. Am I included in that count? If you dumped the sp into a lvl 5 commando than yes :) "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 757	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:49:00 - [6] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: there is a reason why there is literally only 6 proto commandos in existence. Am I included in that count? If you dumped the sp into a lvl 5 commando than yes :) Hoorah! I'm a member of the exclusive Proto Commando club! What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage looks nicer.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1819	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:50:00 - [7] - Quote It is in dire need of a buff. more cpu/pg and a higher shield recharge rate. I'm thinking a 25hps base rate would give it the survivability it needs to be effective. right now it just doesn't have much going for it. Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1971	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:50:00 - [8] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: there is a reason why there is literally only 6 proto commandos in existence. Am I included in that count? If you dumped the sp into a lvl 5 commando than yes :) Hoorah! I'm a member of the exclusive Proto Commando club! Than now there is literally 7 proto commandos in existence XD "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1971	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:51:00 - [9] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: It is in dire need of a buff. more cpu/pg and a higher shield recharge rate. I'm thinking a 25hps base rate would give it the survivability it needs to be effective. right now it just doesn't have much going for it. I think the 25 hp/sec shield recharge should be for the Caldari commando, but agreed, a better shield recharge rate is definitely needed :) "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies
Cosgar ParagonX 8735	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:52:00 - [10] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Cosgar wrote: How would you feel if the the commando was a light suit? Light dropsuits should be buffed before something like that happens. Even with how bad scouts are, the commando would still be better as a light frame. They got it right the first time with the Black Eagle. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"

Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1971	Posted - 2013.12.15 23:54:00 - [11] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: Cosgar wrote: How would you feel if the the commando was a light suit? Light dropsuits should be buffed before something like that happens. Even with how bad scouts are, the commando would still be better as a light frame. They got it right the first time with the Black Eagle. It is fun using a light frame as a commando as opposed to using a heavy frame....o the air time I got with a black eagle "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1978	Posted - 2013.12.17 01:33:00 - [12] - Quote Bump for dev attention. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2145	Posted - 2013.12.17 01:40:00 - [13] - Quote The problem is that they want to avoid a hugely OP heavy suit carrying two Duvolles, with 1000 Armor and 3 Complex Damage Mods. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE! nú+
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1982	Posted - 2013.12.17 01:45:00 - [14] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: The problem is that they want to avoid a hugely OP heavy suit carrying two Duvolles, with 1000 Armor and 3 Complex Damage Mods. I completely agree and see that, I have thought about other ways to make the commando more "appealing" but nothing seems to be good enough. Most of my suggestions would only affect the proto and adv suits. I can barely fit an Ishukone sniper and viziam scrambler on the proto suit.....my pg is maxed out and I have level 3 engineering......I don't think many people will be putting double duvolles anyways, I tried going double toxin ARs and it's not very effective (the tactics, not weapons) "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2145	Posted - 2013.12.17 01:46:00 - [15] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Patrick57 wrote: The problem is that they want to avoid a hugely OP heavy suit carrying two Duvolles, with 1000 Armor and 3 Complex Damage Mods. I completely agree and see that, I have thought about other ways to make the commando more "appealing" but nothing seems to be good enough. Most of my suggestions would only affect the proto and adv suits. I can barely fit an Ishukone sniper and viziam scrambler on the proto suit.....my pg is maxed out and I have level 3 engineering......I don't think many people will be putting double duvolles anyways, I tried going double toxin ARs and it's not very effective (the tactics, not weapons) Do you mean level 3 Electronics? Should've gotten Level 4 in both at the same time, that's what I did, but of course I have OCD When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE! nú+
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1982	Posted - 2013.12.17 01:48:00 - [16] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Patrick57 wrote: The problem is that they want to avoid a hugely OP heavy suit carrying two Duvolles, with 1000 Armor and 3 Complex Damage Mods. I completely agree and see that, I have thought about other ways to make the commando more "appealing" but nothing seems to be good enough. Most of my suggestions would only affect the proto and adv suits. I can barely fit an Ishukone sniper and viziam scrambler on the proto suit.....my pg is maxed out and I have level 3 engineering......I don't think many people will be putting double duvolles anyways, I tried going double toxin ARs and it's not very effective (the tactics, not weapons) Do you mean level 3 Electronics? Should've gotten Level 4 in both at the same time, that's what I did, but of course I have OCD Lvl 3 in both core skills that increase your pg/CPU across all suits.....so sure electronics :p "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2150	Posted - 2013.12.17 01:49:00 - [17] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Lvl 3 in both core skills that increase your pg/CPU across all suits.....so sure electronics :p Sorry, you said PG is maxed, and that you had level 3 Engineering, the PG skill....so I got confused :p Sorry to derail your topic When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE! nú+
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1983	Posted - 2013.12.17 01:51:00 - [18] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Lvl 3 in both core skills that increase your pg/CPU across all suits.....so sure electronics :p Sorry, you said PG is maxed, and that you had level 3 Engineering, the PG skill....so I got confused :p Sorry to derail your topic No worries :) it's just putting me back at the top of feedback/ requests so it's all fine with me :p "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 778	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:09:00 - [19] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: Cosgar wrote: How would you feel if the the commando was a light suit? Light dropsuits should be buffed before something like that happens. Even with how bad scouts are, the commando would still be better as a light frame. They got it right the first time with the Black Eagle. Scouts are useless. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage looks nicer.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1983	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:10:00 - [20] - Quote Back to commandos!!!! "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies

Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 714	Posted - 2013.12.17 04:33:00 - [21] - Quote Honestly, I enjoyed the Black Eagle. While I never actually went and tried to kill anyone with one (I'm not using those unless it's a redline match, at which point I sit in the redline and run around with it. Selling them for billions once player market arrives), in the time that I HAVE play-tested my ability to jump/run/gun etc, was brilliant. It's pretty great to have that much speed with that much firepower. My proposal: -When Scouts are fixed, do a Commando re-working. Make it a light suit. This should be implemented on the same patch that racial dropsuits are being released (We'd be getting a tree respec anyways, and a change this big will require one). ADV Commando already has stats and slot count: Black Eagle. The Black Eagle is an ADV Commando Scout, making it the perfect point to start off slot counts with. The Commando, in my eyes, should be the definition of Glass Cannon. We forget though, the Commando is designed for point defense. Heavy suit has downsides and upsides on this role, but a Scout also does. Maybe the Infiltrator Dropsuit is a light Commando with more low slots (For stealth modules)? Probably not, because people could just make a Light Assault fitting. Nevermind. ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Naviticus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 27	Posted - 2013.12.17 05:34:00 - [22] - Quote I was fine with lvl 5 commando sniper/swarm comb, then it got "accidentally nerfed in every patch since 1.4 (i.e. rendering distance not being able to see anything on concrete structures(which still isnt fixed after saying its been fixed 4x already))and purposely nerfed in 1.7. I would tower snipe, call it what you call it but you cant call me a redline sniper. I mean whats not to hate a sniper with no cover on a 5x20 platform. Oh which the towers have been nerfed too dunno why but now you cant stand on the slanted obelisks any more But anyways thats the only way i seen the suit fit was high up away from ground combat providing anti vehicle support for your crew, over watch, and eliminate enemy AV when you have a friendly tanks. To whoever stated about commandos running around with 2 proto douvalles.... who cares.... they die in that suit thats what 180k of guns? add 95k for suit 24k for shield extenders and plates? Round 300k because he was too lazy to reload? id say go for it, beats heavies with scrambler rifles and ar's Commando suit us under powered overpriced and just not effective on the ground for the cost of it for what its possibilities are. I can tell you one thing...... Im not putting 2 light weapons on the fluffy expensive no regen proto suit to die in .7 seconds costing me 200k because CCP wants to make dust into COD
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 425	Posted - 2013.12.17 07:23:00 - [23] - Quote People actually use commando's? I put 1 point in them when they came out so i could give it a try and shortly considered it a huge waste of SP.
DR FEB The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 117	Posted - 2013.12.17 08:55:00 - [24] - Quote i bought 5 and selling them for 30 million each.near mint,Good deal. buy it now before it's gone!!! leader of the BLAH
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1004	Posted - 2013.12.17 09:08:00 - [25] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: So I went proto commando cause I thought "YOLO why not?" Well here's why not: The proto commando Has 1 more slot than MLT heavy (the equipment slot). It is an amarr suit, yet has more high slots than low (seriously why?) fix: give it 1 more low slot across all tiers. It needs a slight pg/CPU buff at the proto level (not a lot, maybe like 5 pg and 15 CPU) And for the love of all that is good!!!!! Give it a 15hp/sec shield recharge rate, my proto commando takes 40 seconds to go from 0 shields to full (403 shields) Ccp please fix the commando, there is a reason why there is literally only 7 proto commandos in existence. I've been running commando for a couple of months now. it's a labor of love.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2162	Posted - 2013.12.17 11:50:00 - [26] - Quote Naviticus wrote: I was fine with lvl 5 commando sniper/swarm comb, then it got "accidentally nerfed in every patch since 1.4 (i.e. rendering distance not being able to see anything on concrete structures(which still isnt fixed after saying its been fixed 4x already))and purposely nerfed in 1.7. I would tower snipe, call it what you call it but you cant call me a redline sniper. I mean whats not to hate a sniper with no cover on a 5x20 platform. Oh which the towers have been nerfed too dunno why but now you cant stand on the slanted obelisks any more But anyways thats the only way i seen the suit fit was high up away from ground combat providing anti vehicle support for your crew, over watch, and eliminate enemy AV when you have a friendly tanks. To whoever stated about commandos running around with 2 proto douvalles.... who cares.... they die in that suit thats what 180k of guns? add 95k for suit 24k for shield extenders and plates? Round 300k because he was too lazy to reload? id say go for it, beats heavies with scrambler rifles and ar's Commando suit us under powered overpriced and just not effective on the ground for the cost of it for what its possibilities are. I can tell you one thing...... Im not putting 2 light weapons on the fluffy expensive no regen proto suit to die in .7 seconds costing me 200k because CCP wants to make dust into COD Lol, I said that to make a point. Most people in Dust have millions of ISK anyway, so it's not like it matters. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE! nú+
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1988	Posted - 2013.12.17 12:25:00 - [27] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: People actually use commando's? I put 1 point in them when they came out so i could give it a try and shortly considered it a huge waste of SP. I dumped 1 point into them and then went 27/4 with an ar/shotty combo....then I went proto and realized it's completely up. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle <3 Commando AK.0
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1988	Posted - 2013.12.17 12:25:00 - [28] - Quote low genius wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: So I went proto commando cause I thought "YOLO why not?" Well here's why not: The proto commando Has 1 more slot than MLT heavy (the equipment slot). It is an amarr suit, yet has more high slots than low (seriously why?) fix: give it 1 more low slot across all tiers. It needs a slight pg/CPU buff at the proto level (not a lot, maybe like 5 pg and 15 CPU) And for the love of all that is good!!!!! Give it a 15hp/sec shield recharge rate, my proto commando takes 40 seconds to go from 0 shields to full (403 shields) Ccp please fix the commando, there is a reason why there is literally only 7 proto commandos in existence. I've been running commando for a couple of months now. it's a labor of love. That it is, that it is :p "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle <3 Commando AK.0
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1989	Posted - 2013.12.17 12:30:00 - [29] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: Honestly, I enjoyed the Black Eagle. While I never actually went and tried to kill anyone with one (I'm not using those unless it's a redline match, at which point I sit in the redline and run around with it. Selling them for billions once player market arrives), in the time that I HAVE play-tested my ability to jump/run/gun etc, was brilliant. It's pretty great to have that much speed with that much firepower. My proposal: -When Scouts are fixed, do a Commando re-working. Make it a light suit. This should be implemented on the same patch that racial dropsuits are being released (We'd be getting a tree respec anyways, and a change this big will require one). ADV Commando already has stats and slot count: Black Eagle. The Black Eagle is an ADV Commando Scout, making it the perfect point to start off slot counts with. The Commando, in my eyes, should be the definition of Glass Cannon. We forget though, the Commando is designed for point defense. Heavy suit has downsides and upsides on this role, but a Scout also does. Maybe the Infiltrator Dropsuit is a light Commando with more low slots (For stealth modules)? Probably not, because people could just make a Light Assault fitting. Nevermind. I see what your getting at, but it makes sense for the commando to be a heavy suit, I see issues with logic and a scout running around with a swarm launcher and a sniper (it would be to heavy for the little guy :p). I too liked the black eagle, however I die faster using a black eagle than I do using an actual commando suit, for now, commando should stay heavy. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle <3 Commando AK.0
Sgt Buttscratch 1167	Posted - 2013.12.17 12:58:00 - [30] - Quote The solution to the commando suit is too make it a medium frame. At proto(Amarr) 2 highs, 3 lows, 2 L, 1 grenade, 2 equipment. Just doesn't fit the heavy scheme. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans



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