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Jason Pearson 3122	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:42:00 - [1] - Quote Step 1, Get a HAV Step 2, Get a Railgun Step 3, Damage mods Step 4, Kill Tanks Step 5, ???? Step 6, Profit! King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Laugh at the idiots crying about four BPOs being removed erryday, lul
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1321	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:49:00 - [2] - Quote Not sure if trolling or being a legitimate dumbfluck Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Jason Pearson 3124	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:50:00 - [3] - Quote Atiim wrote: Not sure if trolling or being a legitimate dumbfluck I have more likes than you, shut up :) lul King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Laugh at the idiots crying about four BPOs being removed erryday, lul
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 332	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:50:00 - [4] - Quote How to scare off a Rail Tank: -Get a militia sniper fit -Shoot the tank -The cowardly tanker will be so startled that he's actually taking damage he'll gun his tank straight back away from the battle. Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane Kills- Incubus: 2; Pythons: 0; Logistics: 0; Militia: 13; Tanks: 2
RA Drahcir Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 297	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:51:00 - [5] - Quote 1.7 will break the game. already FGers only shoot at infantry ruining all tactics with OHKs, and 1/3 of team reverts to using thale sniper rifles breaking down to a completely unplayable match. But with the new vic changes, tanks will be even more invincible, AV will be strictly anti infantry. and this game will go to complete **. Give a universal respec to level the playing field. I will only AFK until my SP can make up for the ups CCP's special ed **** ace unfucks themselves.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1323	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:54:00 - [6] - Quote Atiim wrote: Not sure if trolling or being a legitimate dumbfluck Obviously lets the whole of the forums know you're terrible at tanking. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Jason Pearson 3124	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:55:00 - [7] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Not sure if trolling or being a legitimate dumbfluck Obviously lets the whole of the forums know you're terrible at tanking. Ooh, I haven't been on here for a while, I like your sig :D King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Laugh at the idiots crying about four BPOs being removed erryday, lul
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1321	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:59:00 - [8] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Not sure if trolling or being a legitimate dumbfluck Obviously lets the whole of the forums know you're terrible at tanking. His OP listed instructions on how AV can destroy HAVs. Yet, all of this requires an HAV; therefore making it not actual AV, but simply HAV vs HAV. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1323	Posted - 2013.11.24 09:01:00 - [9] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Not sure if trolling or being a legitimate dumbfluck Obviously lets the whole of the forums know you're terrible at tanking. His OP listed instructions on how AV can destroy HAVs. Yet, all of this requires an HAV; therefore making it not actual AV, but simply HAV vs HAV. Man, I come home buzzed from a concert and this is what I see? Banishment! Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1321	Posted - 2013.11.24 09:01:00 - [10] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Not sure if trolling or being a legitimate dumbfluck Obviously lets the whole of the forums know you're terrible at tanking. Ooh, I haven't been on here for a while, I like your sig :D The funny part is how it's an exact opposite of the truth. Replace anti-vehicle infantry with pilots and you can summarize about 95% of their "balancing" threads. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1321	Posted - 2013.11.24 09:02:00 - [11] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Not sure if trolling or being a legitimate dumbfluck Obviously lets the whole of the forums know you're terrible at tanking. His OP listed instructions on how AV can destroy HAVs. Yet, all of this requires an HAV; therefore making it not actual AV, but simply HAV vs HAV. Man, I come home buzzed from a concert and this is what I see? Banishment! Please don't drink and drive your HAV.... Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Ryme Intrinseca Seraphim Auxiliaries 275	Posted - 2013.11.24 09:03:00 - [12] - Quote RA Drahcir wrote: 1.7 will break the game. already FGers only shoot at infantry ruining all tactics with OHKs, and 1/3 of team reverts to using thale sniper rifles breaking down to a completely unplayable match. But with the new vic changes, tanks will be even more invincible, AV will be strictly anti infantry. and this game will go to complete **. Give a universal respec to level the playing field. I will only AFK until my SP can make up for the ups CCP's special ed **** ace unfucks themselves. Yeah I already have my rubber band on standby
RA Drahcir Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 299	Posted - 2013.11.24 09:04:00 - [13] - Quote how to kill a tank? you can't unless the spineless piece of ** cannot run one. if you lose a tank, you are a worthless scrap of STD ridden ** that should be frozen or burned from humanity
Jason Pearson 3124	Posted - 2013.11.24 09:09:00 - [14] - Quote Atiim wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Not sure if trolling or being a legitimate dumbfluck Obviously lets the whole of the forums know you're terrible at tanking. Ooh, I haven't been on here for a while, I like your sig :D The funny part is how it's an exact opposite of the truth. Replace anti-vehicle infantry with pilots and you can summarize about 95% of their "balancing" threads. I think both camps are bad and need to do something with their wrists :) And yes I understand my OP didn't make much sense to you, it was a simple fix for people who say they're Anti Vehicle (As in, fighting against Vehicles) and use Infantry based AV, why not just invest in a tank that has a Railgun? :) I mean, it's my personal belief that a tank should kill a tank, Infantry should be a nuisance. I guess because I thoroughly enjoy tank v tank battles, it seems more intense than Infantry v Infantry (yawn.) King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Laugh at the idiots crying about four BPOs being removed erryday, lul
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 380	Posted - 2013.11.24 09:10:00 - [15] - Quote Cheaper way to get rid of a tank. buy militia heavy frame buy militia forge gun shoot tank multiple times until dead. Cheaper and zero sp spent.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 534	Posted - 2013.11.24 10:01:00 - [16] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Not sure if trolling or being a legitimate dumbfluck Obviously lets the whole of the forums know you're terrible at tanking. His OP listed instructions on how AV can destroy HAVs. Yet, all of this requires an HAV; therefore making it not actual AV, but simply HAV vs HAV. Man, I come home buzzed from a concert and this is what I see? Banishment! You are doing it wrong You should be peeling the cloths off of someone not checking the forums I am apparently not the only fool
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 231	Posted - 2013.11.24 10:18:00 - [17] - Quote Use cheap light/scout suit, fit swarm launchers and AV grenades and proximity explosives. Sneak up behind the tank, shoot with 1-2 volleys from swarm launcher, spam grenades, place explosives behind it (tankers seem to instinctually back up when hit.) Doesn't always work, but I have killed a bunch of tanks using a cheap-fit scout BPO. Alternatively fit nanohive, AV grenades. Sneak up behind tanker, deploy nano hive and spam grenades. Make no mistake, this is a suicide mission, but it works. an easy fix to Matchmaking
GeneralButtNaked ZionTCD Public Disorder. 646	Posted - 2013.11.24 13:28:00 - [18] - Quote How to do it today: Solo: 1. Call in BPO LAV 2. Attend local supply depot. 3. Grab fit with prof V FG, proto AV grenades. 4. Circle the enemy hav at range to evaluate when the best time to attack is. 5. Rush in, hop out and throw two AV nades 6. Shoot with FG until the tank is dead. Repeat as often as the enemy is dumb enough to call out tanks. With teammate: 1. Call in LAV 2. One guy with Lai Dai packed, one with at least adv packed AV grenades. 3. Locate HAV, approach very aggressively 4. Hop out, spam grenades until the tank goes pop. Mr. Hybrid Vayu
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1772	Posted - 2013.11.24 13:41:00 - [19] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Step 1, Get a HAV Step 2, Get a Railgun Step 3, Damage mods Step 4, Kill Tanks Step 5, ???? Step 6, Profit! I do that Really good method
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 371	Posted - 2013.11.24 14:00:00 - [20] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Step 1, Get a HAV Step 2, Get a Railgun Step 3, Damage mods Step 4, Kill Tanks Step 5, ???? Step 6, Profit! WOW get outta you're redline and fight like a man! although this could stop the uprising of tanks but then again you're bringing back rail sniping. *Assassination is my thing.*
Jason Pearson 3136	Posted - 2013.11.24 14:23:00 - [21] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Step 1, Get a HAV Step 2, Get a Railgun Step 3, Damage mods Step 4, Kill Tanks Step 5, ???? Step 6, Profit! WOW get outta you're redline and fight like a man! although this could stop the uprising of tanks but then again you're bringing back rail sniping. Sorry :( Let me just get my AV nades and a bucket for tears.. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Laugh at the idiots crying about four BPOs being removed erryday, lul
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2013.11.24 14:47:00 - [22] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Step 1, Get a HAV Step 2, Get a Railgun Step 3, Damage mods Step 4, Kill Tanks Step 5, ???? Step 6, Profit! WOW get outta you're redline and fight like a man! although this could stop the uprising of tanks but then again you're bringing back rail sniping. well, if tanks could survive outside the redline, I would be more than happy to get in the middle of the battle. Void Echo's Alt Back-up Profile Back on main 12-20-2013
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 136	Posted - 2013.11.24 15:04:00 - [23] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Not sure if trolling or being a legitimate dumbfluck Obviously lets the whole of the forums know you're terrible at tanking. His OP listed instructions on how AV can destroy HAVs. Yet, all of this requires an HAV; therefore making it not actual AV, but simply HAV vs HAV. sica's are cheap, if you say no, QQ SUM MOAR AV BRIGADE recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 136	Posted - 2013.11.24 15:06:00 - [24] - Quote Atiim wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Not sure if trolling or being a legitimate dumbfluck Obviously lets the whole of the forums know you're terrible at tanking. Ooh, I haven't been on here for a while, I like your sig :D The funny part is how it's an exact opposite of the truth. Replace anti-vehicle infantry with pilots and you can summarize about 95% of their "balancing" threads. i just solo'd a good 5000 shield gunlogi with STD swarms and STD av nades, so easy, he destroyed a scatered ion cannon but had full hp so suck on that newb, he used his booster when he took cover. recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Sylwester Dziewiecki 205	Posted - 2013.11.24 15:13:00 - [25] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Step 1, Get a HAV Step 2, Get a Railgun Step 3, Damage mods Step 4, Kill Tanks Step 5, ???? Step 6, Profit! Profit part is a lie!!! I'm here since may 2012, my EVE alter ego is Nosum Hseebnrido.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 513	Posted - 2013.11.24 15:49:00 - [26] - Quote So make AV obsolete? K. "NO FULL RESPECS; ONLY FOR VEHICLE SKILLS CHANGED TREE!" Vehicle users : "lol gonna put it into infantry skills"
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1676	Posted - 2013.11.24 15:53:00 - [27] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: How to scare off a Rail Tank: -Get a militia sniper fit -Shoot the tank -The cowardly tanker will be so startled that he's actually taking damage he'll gun his tank straight back away from the battle. Wouldn't you be startled when your million ISK investment is threatened? Refunding a few AUR militia Blueprints pertaining to vehicles because their respective modules will not exist anymore
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals EoN. 231	Posted - 2013.11.24 16:06:00 - [28] - Quote I hate rail snipers I was going after a proto rail on the ground cautiously, he hit me twice dropping me to 4k armor I was going to wait 1 or two more hits to make sure I didn't rep too much when I was at max armor I got a little closer and the rail sniper above him rendered in and I was screwed before I could react to a proto rail and an advanced rail pounding me. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 43	Posted - 2013.11.24 16:07:00 - [29] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: How to do it today: Solo: 1. Call in BPO LAV 2. Attend local supply depot. 3. Grab fit with prof V FG, proto AV grenades. 4. Circle the enemy hav at range to evaluate when the best time to attack is. 5. Rush in, hop out and throw two AV nades 6. Shoot with FG until the tank is dead. Repeat as often as the enemy is dumb enough to call out tanks. With teammate: 1. Call in LAV 2. One guy with Lai Dai packed, one with at least adv packed AV grenades. 3. Locate HAV, approach very aggressively 4. Hop out, spam grenades until the tank goes pop. Message from Godin: Doesn't work, as I'll see you coming, and melt you.
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2013.11.24 16:09:00 - [30] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: I hate rail snipers I was going after a proto rail on the ground cautiously, he hit me twice dropping me to 4k armor I was going to wait 1 or two more hits to make sure I didn't rep too much when I was at max armor I got a little closer and the rail sniper above him rendered in and I was screwed before I could react to a proto rail and an advanced rail pounding me. please more crying, my railgun runs on sweet infantry scrub tears. Void Echo's Alt Back-up Profile Back on main 12-20-2013
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1316	Posted - 2013.11.24 16:49:00 - [31] - Quote Step 7: Get destroyed by the tanks you were trying to kill because you are an inexperienced driver (does not apply if enemy tanker is a noob) "Please don't" GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå I Support SP Rollover, MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP !!!
Alpha 443-6732 219	Posted - 2013.11.24 17:05:00 - [32] - Quote RA Drahcir wrote: 1.7 will break the game. already FGers only shoot at infantry ruining all tactics with OHKs, and 1/3 of team reverts to using thale sniper rifles breaking down to a completely unplayable match. But with the new vic changes, tanks will be even more invincible, AV will be strictly anti infantry. and this game will go to complete **. Give a universal respec to level the playing field. I will only AFK until my SP can make up for the ups CCP's special ed **** ace unfucks themselves. Heh, he thinks tanks will actually be unstoppable. Awful. AV =/= Completely dominate and render vehicles useless. AV = Counterpart of vehicles that combats vehicles.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1326	Posted - 2013.11.24 17:08:00 - [33] - Quote RA Drahcir wrote: 1.7 will break the game. already FGers only shoot at infantry ruining all tactics with OHKs, and 1/3 of team reverts to using thale sniper rifles breaking down to a completely unplayable match. But with the new vic changes, tanks will be even more invincible, AV will be strictly anti infantry. and this game will go to complete **. Give a universal respec to level the playing field. I will only AFK until my SP can make up for the ups CCP's special ed **** ace unfucks themselves. You don't squad with a competent tanker? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1326	Posted - 2013.11.24 17:10:00 - [34] - Quote Atiim wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Not sure if trolling or being a legitimate dumbfluck Obviously lets the whole of the forums know you're terrible at tanking. Ooh, I haven't been on here for a while, I like your sig :D The funny part is how it's an exact opposite of the truth. Replace anti-vehicle infantry with pilots and you can summarize about 95% of their "balancing" threads. Like I've been saying. As infantry, how would it be unfair to you if we still had Chromosome railguns, where 2-3 shots would destroy the best fit tanks? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1326	Posted - 2013.11.24 17:11:00 - [35] - Quote RA Drahcir wrote: how to kill a tank? you can't unless the spineless piece of ** cannot run one. if you lose a tank, you are a worthless scrap of STD ridden ** that should be frozen or burned from humanity I suppose you're some protege tanker that cannot be beaten? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Severance Pay Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 963	Posted - 2013.11.24 17:13:00 - [36] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Step 1, Get a HAV Step 2, Get a Railgun Step 3, Damage mods Step 4, Kill Tanks Step 5, ???? Step 6, Profit! What do I do when a dropship hovers over me and takes popshots while I cower in fear? Or what 3 LAVs blockade me and their passengers are all forgegun fanatics? What if they hit me with an orbital? We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother
Severance Pay Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 963	Posted - 2013.11.24 17:17:00 - [37] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Not sure if trolling or being a legitimate dumbfluck Obviously lets the whole of the forums know you're terrible at tanking. Ooh, I haven't been on here for a while, I like your sig :D The funny part is how it's an exact opposite of the truth. Replace anti-vehicle infantry with pilots and you can summarize about 95% of their "balancing" threads. Like I've been saying. As infantry, how would it be unfair to you if we still had Chromosome railguns, where 2-3 shots would destroy the best fit tanks? Would be even more unfair if this was modern day tanks, in which 1-2 would destroy you. We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother
Jason Pearson 3142	Posted - 2013.11.24 18:11:00 - [38] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: Step 7: Get destroyed by the tanks you were trying to kill because you are an inexperienced driver (does not apply if enemy tanker is a noob) Shh, don't let them know! Severance Pay wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Step 1, Get a HAV Step 2, Get a Railgun Step 3, Damage mods Step 4, Kill Tanks Step 5, ???? Step 6, Profit! What do I do when a dropship hovers over me and takes popshots while I cower in fear? Or what 3 LAVs blockade me and their passengers are all forgegun fanatics? What if they hit me with an orbital? I'm sorry sir, this is for those that sit up in the red line killing active tankers :) Severance Pay wrote: Would be even more unfair if this was modern day tanks, in which 1-2 would destroy you. Hmm.. Well if we think a single railgun shot is actually hitting a heavily armored and shielded vehicles and doing a significant amount of damage, I've got a feeling modern day tanks wouldn't survive from a single shot.. :) King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Laugh at the idiots crying about four BPOs being removed erryday, lul
Scarr Beloxian Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2013.11.24 18:26:00 - [39] - Quote hmmm blows a tank up with REs.... person rages out of match...yes ive done it to some people forever waiting for throwing knives and a real friendly corp
Jason Pearson 3144	Posted - 2013.11.24 18:32:00 - [40] - Quote Scarr Beloxian wrote: hmmm blows a tank up with REs.... person rages out of match...yes ive done it to some people See, now that's a proper AVer, I salute you o7 King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Laugh at the idiots crying about four BPOs being removed erryday, lul
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1329	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:37:00 - [41] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Not sure if trolling or being a legitimate dumbfluck Obviously lets the whole of the forums know you're terrible at tanking. His OP listed instructions on how AV can destroy HAVs. Yet, all of this requires an HAV; therefore making it not actual AV, but simply HAV vs HAV. sica's are cheap, if you say no, QQ SUM MOAR AV BRIGADE Because everyone loves being forced to use a Sica or Soma to take down a tank. Please LOLTank Brigadier, you mind QQing some moar? I want to fill up my 200th bucket. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1329	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:41:00 - [42] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Atiim wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Not sure if trolling or being a legitimate dumbfluck Obviously lets the whole of the forums know you're terrible at tanking. Ooh, I haven't been on here for a while, I like your sig :D The funny part is how it's an exact opposite of the truth. Replace anti-vehicle infantry with pilots and you can summarize about 95% of their "balancing" threads. i just solo'd a good 5000 shield gunlogi with STD swarms and STD av nades, so easy, he destroyed a scatered ion cannon but had full hp so suck on that newb, he used his booster when he took cover. That's an obvious lie. My friend has a Gunnlogi with 4k shields and he survived 3 people using STD swarms. (I knew they were STD because the volleys only had 4 rockets). To put a more urban twist on things, "Pics or GTFO!" Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4244	Posted - 2013.11.24 19:46:00 - [43] - Quote Atiim wrote: That's an obvious lie. My friend has a Gunnlogi with 4k shields and he survived 3 people using STD swarms. (I knew they were STD because the volleys only had 4 rockets). To put a more urban twist on things, "Pics or GTFO!" Its debateable Atiim. There are times when mu HAV seems like its doing its job well.....there are other where It seems weak as hell. As we have discussed before neither one of us is ambivalent enough to actually have a valid opinion since we are by far too biased. And our anecdotal evidence is pretty lack lustre "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals EoN. 233	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:21:00 - [44] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: That's an obvious lie. My friend has a Gunnlogi with 4k shields and he survived 3 people using STD swarms. (I knew they were STD because the volleys only had 4 rockets). To put a more urban twist on things, "Pics or GTFO!" Its debateable Atiim. There are times when mu HAV seems like its doing its job well.....there are other where It seems weak as hell. As we have discussed before neither one of us is ambivalent enough to actually have a valid opinion since we are by far too biased. And our anecdotal evidence is pretty lack lustre Shh your going to confuse it with all these big words. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4244	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:23:00 - [45] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: That's an obvious lie. My friend has a Gunnlogi with 4k shields and he survived 3 people using STD swarms. (I knew they were STD because the volleys only had 4 rockets). To put a more urban twist on things, "Pics or GTFO!" Its debateable Atiim. There are times when mu HAV seems like its doing its job well.....there are other where It seems weak as hell. As we have discussed before neither one of us is ambivalent enough to actually have a valid opinion since we are by far too biased. And our anecdotal evidence is pretty lack lustre Shh your going to confuse it with all these big words. Atiim and I are foils of one another though he does not know it yet. He is quite capable I assure you....just misguided. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Robocop Junior Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 381	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:40:00 - [46] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Not sure if trolling or being a legitimate dumbfluck Obviously lets the whole of the forums know you're terrible at tanking. His OP listed instructions on how AV can destroy HAVs. Yet, all of this requires an HAV; therefore making it not actual AV, but simply HAV vs HAV. Man, I come home buzzed from a concert and this is what I see? Banishment! You are doing it wrong You should be peeling the cloths off of someone not checking the forums Maybe it was a Justin Beiber concert.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 687	Posted - 2013.11.24 20:50:00 - [47] - Quote How to kill a tank 1) wait for reps to cycle 2) shoot did I miss anything? "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1327	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:12:00 - [48] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Step 1, Get a HAV Step 2, Get a Railgun Step 3, Damage mods Step 4, Kill Tanks Step 5, ???? Step 6, Profit! WOW get outta you're redline and fight like a man! although this could stop the uprising of tanks but then again you're bringing back rail sniping. Do you not think there's a few of us that can engage tanks in CQC with a railgun? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1327	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:17:00 - [49] - Quote ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals EoN. 234	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:25:00 - [50] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Nobody has a problem with a sniper being it's own best counter but a tank oh no the best counter should not be a tank. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4248	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:28:00 - [51] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Nobody has a problem with a sniper being it's own best counter but a tank oh no the best counter should not be a tank. Then there is no point having tanks on the field..... most modern tanks are designed to deal with other armoured units not infantry, artillery deals with infantry. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals EoN. 234	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:31:00 - [52] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Nobody has a problem with a sniper being it's own best counter but a tank oh no the best counter should not be a tank. Then there is no point having tanks on the field..... most modern tanks are designed to deal with other armoured units not infantry, artillery deals with infantry. I was being sarcastic I totally agree with Tanks being the best counter to other Tanks. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4248	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:36:00 - [53] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: True Adamance wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Nobody has a problem with a sniper being it's own best counter but a tank oh no the best counter should not be a tank. Then there is no point having tanks on the field..... most modern tanks are designed to deal with other armoured units not infantry, artillery deals with infantry. I was being sarcastic I totally agree with Tanks being the best counter to other Tanks. I don't pick up on sarcasm well online....unless its really obvious "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1336	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:10:00 - [54] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Nobody has a problem with a sniper being it's own best counter but a tank oh no the best counter should not be a tank. A sniper is not the best counter to a sniper. That title belongs to scouts with profile dampners Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Ridire Greine 77	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:14:00 - [55] - Quote Knight Soiaire's One Step Guide to Killing HAVs quickly Press R1 Congratz Property of Knight SoiaireGäó R 0 N 1 N [VGTG]
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1336	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:17:00 - [56] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: That's an obvious lie. My friend has a Gunnlogi with 4k shields and he survived 3 people using STD swarms. (I knew they were STD because the volleys only had 4 rockets). To put a more urban twist on things, "Pics or GTFO!" Its debatable Atiim. There are times when mu HAV seems like its doing its job well.....there are other where It seems weak as hell. As we have discussed before neither one of us is ambivalent enough to actually have a valid opinion since we are by far too biased. And our anecdotal evidence is pretty lack lustre Everything in both real life and in fictional situations such as video games have times where they are performing perfectly and other instances where they are performing poorly. I'd like to think that I'm unbiased. All I want is for people to stop trying to balance PRO weapons against STD hulls and for both AV and HAVs to require teamwork to be successful. Why does everyone constantly assume that I'm on an AV Crusade? Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 217	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:19:00 - [57] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Step 1, Get a HAV Step 2, Get a Railgun Step 3, Damage mods Step 4, Kill Tanks Step 5, ???? Step 6, Profit! AVers are supposed to use AV weaponry. Using a tank would make me a TANKER. You ok in the head bro? Options: a) Troll b)Stupid
Monkey MAC killer taxi company 1049	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:20:00 - [58] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Step 1, Get a HAV Step 2, Get a Railgun Step 3, Damage mods Step 4, Kill Tanks Step 5, ???? Step 6, Profit! So the best way to kill a tank. . . . . is with a tank? 1) Isn't that overpowered? 2) What if the other team doesn't hav a HAV speacilist? 3) What do infantry the main protagonists of the game do while we wait for the demise of this HAV I just hope if this is the way CCP wants to go with tanks, that they give infantry a decent form of transit and plenty of cover, because I sure as hell ain't gonna play manus peak, with tankers! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1340	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:20:00 - [59] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: How to kill a tank 1) wait for reps to cycle 2) shoot did I miss anything? Because the aura definitely renders perfectly around the HAV to indicate that it's reps and hardners are down. As if anything rendered properly in this game Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 217	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:23:00 - [60] - Quote Atiim wrote: knight of 6 wrote: How to kill a tank 1) wait for reps to cycle 2) shoot did I miss anything? Because the aura definitely renders perfectly around the HAV to indicate that it's reps and hardners are down. As if anything rendered properly in this game ITs not like most of them have afterburners to Flee when they are out of hardeners/reppers like the freakng Millenium Falcon into another galazy.. And now with the UBER impressive 175mts range in swarms it will be pure luck if you can fire a single volley vs a fleeing tank...
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 412	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:23:00 - [61] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Atiim wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Not sure if trolling or being a legitimate dumbfluck Obviously lets the whole of the forums know you're terrible at tanking. Ooh, I haven't been on here for a while, I like your sig :D The funny part is how it's an exact opposite of the truth. Replace anti-vehicle infantry with pilots and you can summarize about 95% of their "balancing" threads. I think both camps are bad and need to do something with their wrists :) And yes I understand my OP didn't make much sense to you, it was a simple fix for people who say they're Anti Vehicle (As in, fighting against Vehicles) and use Infantry based AV, why not just invest in a tank that has a Railgun? :) I mean, it's my personal belief that a tank should kill a tank, Infantry should be a nuisance. I guess because I thoroughly enjoy tank v tank battles, it seems more intense than Infantry v Infantry (yawn.) You apparently have never seen or heard of foot soldiers making tanks worthless, you take out the treads you take out the tank, after that you just open the hatch toss in a grenade, dead tank crew.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1340	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:27:00 - [62] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1328	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:32:00 - [63] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Nobody has a problem with a sniper being it's own best counter but a tank oh no the best counter should not be a tank. Why not? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1341	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:33:00 - [64] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Nobody has a problem with a sniper being it's own best counter but a tank oh no the best counter should not be a tank. Why not? -_- He was being sarcastic Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Monkey MAC killer taxi company 1050	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:37:00 - [65] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? I think the better question would be why would we have AV? As a last ditch go out fighting kinda think before the big bad HAV disintegrates you? It's like them giving you a starting pistol on round 40 of zombies It's like them giving you ammo for the one gun you don't have It's like them giving you 1 extra life in crash bandicoot after you wasted 3 lives getting to the box Why don't we just remove AV from the game (after it should be useless), then a few months later remove infantry(they can't stand up to tanks, why have them), then another few months remove the lavs(no one is driving them) and then dropships(no one needs any transport) oh look world of tanks The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1328	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:37:00 - [66] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? But you can't destroy a tank using your own poorly fit tank because you're terrible, so of course you don't want a tank to be its own best counter. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 217	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:37:00 - [67] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Nobody has a problem with a sniper being it's own best counter but a tank oh no the best counter should not be a tank. The sniper is not its best counter. EVERY SINGLE anti Infantry weapon kills them same as everybody else. There are LOTS of ways to kill a sniper, at the end of the day, hes just another merc in a suit.SMg,AR,PC,Mass driver,Locus G,etc... what makes it FEEL this way is Broken RED LINE mechanics. Tanks are already imprevious to most weapons except 4, and one of them being crappy as hell.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1328	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:38:00 - [68] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? I think the better question would be why would we have AV? As a last ditch go out fighting kinda think before the big bad HAV disintegrates you? It's like them giving you a starting pistol on round 40 of zombies It's like them giving you ammo for the one gun you don't have It's like them giving you 1 extra life in crash bandicoot after you wasted 3 lives getting to the box Why don't we just remove AV from the game (after it should be useless), then a few months later remove infantry(they can't stand up to tanks, why have them), then another few months remove the lavs(no one is driving them) and then dropships(no one needs any transport) oh look world of tanks You don't squad with a competent tanker? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1328	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:40:00 - [69] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Nobody has a problem with a sniper being it's own best counter but a tank oh no the best counter should not be a tank. The sniper is not its best counter. EVERY SINGLE anti Infantry weapon kills them same as everybody else. There are LOTS of ways to kill a sniper, at the end of the day, hes just another merc in a suit.SMg,AR,PC,Mass driver,Locus G,etc... what makes it FEEL this way is Broken RED LINE mechanics. Tanks are already imprevious to most weapons except 4, and one of them being crappy as hell. What, you want automatic rifles to do more damage against tanks? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 843	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:42:00 - [70] - Quote ahhh jason your advice is so inspiring that today every time i saw a tank i chased it witha tank..and killed it (my av was in said tank just in case)
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4257	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:45:00 - [71] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? It encourages escalation game play. Current all AV does is reset the counter back to 0 v 0, Infy vs Infy Why do you not want to see matches with tanks rolling around fighting one another, dropship assault squads, etc? "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1328	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:48:00 - [72] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? It encourages escalation game play. Current all AV does is reset the counter back to 0 v 0, Infy vs Infy Why do you not want to see matches with tanks rolling around fighting one another, dropship assault squads, etc? Because vehicles are not keeping with the status quo of infantry fighting. We keep telling them to go to Call of Duty if they don't want to deal with vehicles, but they stay anyway. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 219	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:50:00 - [73] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Nobody has a problem with a sniper being it's own best counter but a tank oh no the best counter should not be a tank. The sniper is not its best counter. EVERY SINGLE anti Infantry weapon kills them same as everybody else. There are LOTS of ways to kill a sniper, at the end of the day, hes just another merc in a suit.SMg,AR,PC,Mass driver,Locus G,etc... what makes it FEEL this way is Broken RED LINE mechanics. Tanks are already imprevious to most weapons except 4, and one of them being crappy as hell. What, you want automatic rifles to do more damage against tanks? Oh yeah i forgot your mental disabilities. Sorry. Quote me on that and get a cookie.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1345	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:51:00 - [74] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? But you can't destroy a tank using your own poorly fit tank because you're terrible, so of course you don't want a tank to be its own best counter. I think my best tank is pretty good. It can survive multiple people with AV while still being combat effective at the same time. The tank I was using when that ADS ambushed me in was a 400k tank that's good for healing other vehicles but does poorly in combat because it has no hardners or nitrous. Besides, even with Nitrous I would never have been able to evade the ADS, and I couldn't fire at him because he was directly above the turret and out of my tracking range/zone. I don't want HAVs to be the best or only counter because that's not balanced. (On another note, what makes a good HAV fit? Hardners? Nitrous? Active Scanners? Heat sink mods? Dmg control mods? if those make a tank good, then my tank is "awesome".) Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Monkey MAC killer taxi company 1056	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:53:00 - [75] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? I think the better question would be why would we have AV? As a last ditch go out fighting kinda think before the big bad HAV disintegrates you? It's like them giving you a starting pistol on round 40 of zombies It's like them giving you ammo for the one gun you don't have It's like them giving you 1 extra life in crash bandicoot after you wasted 3 lives getting to the box Why don't we just remove AV from the game (after it should be useless), then a few months later remove infantry(they can't stand up to tanks, why have them), then another few months remove the lavs(no one is driving them) and then dropships(no one needs any transport) oh look world of tanks You don't squad with a competent tanker? You're telling me it should be a requirement? That if I don't squad with a compotent tanker I shouldn't bother? Or that if I don't squad with a compotent tanker I might as well run MLT and limit my losses? Is that what your saying? Are you expecting every team to always have a tanker? Even in public and factional contracts, where the roster is randomized? The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1345	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:56:00 - [76] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? It encourages escalation game play. Current all AV does is reset the counter back to 0 v 0, Infy vs Infy Why do you not want to see matches with tanks rolling around fighting one another, dropship assault squads, etc? You don't know how much I'd love to see this. Unfortunately, you also don't know how awful it would be if implemented with this game's current "I must stomp at all costs" playerbase rationale. You also don't understand how it wouldn't be fun when people start a battle just to find 7 tanks on the field while thier AV does little to no damage to them (even at PRO tier) and nobody on said player's team being a vehicle pilot. It sounds good on paper, but the actual implementation would be terrible. Just like the Commando class. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4260	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:59:00 - [77] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? But you can't destroy a tank using your own poorly fit tank because you're terrible, so of course you don't want a tank to be its own best counter. I think my best tank is pretty good. It can survive multiple people with AV while still being combat effective at the same time. The tank I was using when that ADS ambushed me in was a 400k tank that's good for healing other vehicles but does poorly in combat because it has no hardners or nitrous. Besides, even with Nitrous I would never have been able to evade the ADS, and I couldn't fire at him because he was directly above the turret and out of my tracking range/zone. I don't want HAVs to be the best or only counter because that's not balanced. (On another note, what makes a good HAV fit? Hardners? Nitrous? Active Scanners? Heat sink mods? Dmg control mods? if those make a tank good, then my tank is "awesome".) How is it not balanced. We are firing, primarily, frigate class Rail Guns and Blasters at one another.......... you are firing tiny little pellets and missiles from hand held platforms. Cant we just agree to make tanks more effective at killing one another, and less effective at Anti infantry. Artillery will do our ground trooper killing anyway. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Mdog 24158 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 16	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:00:00 - [78] - Quote I put 3 proxi mines behind the road it came from then walk in front of it throw 3 packed av nades at it then shoot standard swarms at it as it starts running it walks over my mines and boom bye bye tank. Flying derpships and scout shotgunning 24/7 quite fun i must say
Monkey MAC killer taxi company 1058	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:02:00 - [79] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? It encourages escalation game play. Current all AV does is reset the counter back to 0 v 0, Infy vs Infy Why do you not want to see matches with tanks rolling around fighting one another, dropship assault squads, etc? Escalation gameplay is all well and good, but where do youbgo from tanks, MTAC's, Gunships? What happens when you reach the top? When you reach the top of escalation gameplay it becomes all about who has the most top level stuff at any one time! What you want is Cyclic gameplay, where everything beats everything in the right circumstances! Where it becomes what is deployed where, not how much of itl Examples Escalation Gameplay: Sid Mierer's Civilisation Cyclic Gameplay Tom Clancy's EndWar The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Aria Gomes Death by Disassociation Zero-Day 135	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:05:00 - [80] - Quote Minmatar style: 1. Run up to the tank like a boss. 2. Throw AV grenades at that mofo. 3. Run off to a Nanohive or throw one down somewhere. 4. Throw more AV grenades. 5. Laugh in the face of danger.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4264	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:14:00 - [81] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? It encourages escalation game play. Current all AV does is reset the counter back to 0 v 0, Infy vs Infy Why do you not want to see matches with tanks rolling around fighting one another, dropship assault squads, etc? Escalation gameplay is all well and good, but where do youbgo from tanks, MTAC's, Gunships? What happens when you reach the top? When you reach the top of escalation gameplay it becomes all about who has the most top level stuff at any one time! What you want is Cyclic gameplay, where everything beats everything in the right circumstances! Where it becomes what is deployed where, not how much of itl Examples Escalation Gameplay: Sid Mierer's Civilisation Cyclic Gameplay Tom Clancy's EndWar And where do vehicles get the benefits? Only ever on maps where the other team is too stupid not to field its OP AV, abuse roof tops, or poor tank rendering. I do not want to make infantry unusable they have their uses in entrenched positions, building, and to hack things, they should not be able to dominate in all things on all maps like they do now. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1328	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:33:00 - [82] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? But you can't destroy a tank using your own poorly fit tank because you're terrible, so of course you don't want a tank to be its own best counter. I think my best tank is pretty good. It can survive multiple people with AV while still being combat effective at the same time. The tank I was using when that ADS ambushed me in was a 400k tank that's good for healing other vehicles but does poorly in combat because it has no hardners or nitrous. Besides, even with Nitrous I would never have been able to evade the ADS, and I couldn't fire at him because he was directly above the turret and out of my tracking range/zone. I don't want HAVs to be the best or only counter because that's not balanced. (On another note, what makes a good HAV fit? Hardners? Nitrous? Active Scanners? Heat sink mods? Dmg control mods? if those make a tank good, then my tank is "awesome".) A brain makes a tank good. How is it not balanced? Explain yourself. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1328	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:34:00 - [83] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: You're telling me it should be a requirement? That if I don't squad with a compotent tanker I shouldn't bother? Or that if I don't squad with a compotent tanker I might as well run MLT and limit my losses? Is that what your saying? Are you expecting every team to always have a tanker? Even in public and factional contracts, where the roster is randomized? Where are you getting that from? I'm asking a simple question. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1328	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:36:00 - [84] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? It encourages escalation game play. Current all AV does is reset the counter back to 0 v 0, Infy vs Infy Why do you not want to see matches with tanks rolling around fighting one another, dropship assault squads, etc? You don't know how much I'd love to see this. Unfortunately, you also don't know how awful it would be if implemented with this game's current "I must stomp at all costs" playerbase rationale. You also don't understand how it wouldn't be fun when people start a battle just to find 7 tanks on the field while thier AV does little to no damage to them (even at PRO tier) and nobody on said player's team being a vehicle pilot. It sounds good on paper, but the actual implementation would be terrible. Just like the Commando class. Why must everything be based on such extremes? Throw two in a squad and 14 randoms against 3 squads, but must balance the game on a hypothetical such as what if one team has 3 tankers and the other has none? Oh, I know, make AV work better than a tank. You want to balance on hypotheticals and BS. I want to balance based on each team's tanks taking each other out. Chromosome railguns were perfect at that, but it's not fair that a tank was its own best counter, so infantry had them nerfed again. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1328	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:41:00 - [85] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? It encourages escalation game play. Current all AV does is reset the counter back to 0 v 0, Infy vs Infy Why do you not want to see matches with tanks rolling around fighting one another, dropship assault squads, etc? Escalation gameplay is all well and good, but where do youbgo from tanks, MTAC's, Gunships? What happens when you reach the top? When you reach the top of escalation gameplay it becomes all about who has the most top level stuff at any one time! What you want is Cyclic gameplay, where everything beats everything in the right circumstances! Where it becomes what is deployed where, not how much of itl Examples Escalation Gameplay: Sid Mierer's Civilisation Cyclic Gameplay Tom Clancy's EndWar So you only want it to stay at the level of PRO stomping, got it. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 221	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:41:00 - [86] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Why must everything be based on such extremes? Because as it is we have 10 Proto Stompers going vs 8 Newberries fresh out from the academy. This is the matchmaking we have. What makes you think that if tanks become FOTM it wont be like Atiim foresees....?
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 141	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:43:00 - [87] - Quote Are not clones themselves the key to this whole thing? LAVs are quick cheap transport on flat terrain, DS are for transporting large numbers of troops over any terrain in order to gain strategic positions, are tanks not meant to fit a narrow role such as this? Tanks provide moving cover for infantry, they can provide area denial, act as a slayer, point defense, and destroy fixtures and installations including Enemy CRUs. This is a lot to offer in one package, yet they also do not have the downside of being nearly as easy to destroy as any other vehicle or infantry. Tanks are by no means underpowered, and using terrain and tactics to destroy them is not some sort of "abuse" the word you are looking for is called for tactics.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4267	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:44:00 - [88] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? It encourages escalation game play. Current all AV does is reset the counter back to 0 v 0, Infy vs Infy Why do you not want to see matches with tanks rolling around fighting one another, dropship assault squads, etc? You don't know how much I'd love to see this. Unfortunately, you also don't know how awful it would be if implemented with this game's current "I must stomp at all costs" playerbase rationale. You also don't understand how it wouldn't be fun when people start a battle just to find 7 tanks on the field while thier AV does little to no damage to them (even at PRO tier) and nobody on said player's team being a vehicle pilot. It sounds good on paper, but the actual implementation would be terrible. Just like the Commando class. That's why I have been lobbying to make Tanks ANTI VEHICLE weapons, with anti infantry only a very distant secondary role that requires skill shots like the current rail guns do now. AKA I want the large blaster removed. Give me Main Battle Cannon. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4267	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:45:00 - [89] - Quote Slag Emberforge wrote: Are not clones themselves the key to this whole thing? LAVs are quick cheap transport on flat terrain, DS are for transporting large numbers of troops over any terrain in order to gain strategic positions, are tanks not meant to fit a narrow role such as this? Tanks provide moving cover for infantry, they can provide area denial, act as a slayer, point defense, and destroy fixtures and installations including Enemy CRUs. This is a lot to offer in one package, yet they also do not have the downside of being nearly as easy to destroy as any other vehicle or infantry. Tanks are by no means underpowered, and using terrain and tactics to destroy them is not some sort of "abuse" the word you are looking for is called for tactics. It is an abuse if I know I should be able to see them...yet they remain brave and ******* cocky as hell off in some invisible force field.... "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Spycrab Potato Penguin's March 557	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:45:00 - [90] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: How to scare off a Rail Tank: -Get a militia sniper fit -Shoot the tank -The cowardly tanker will be so startled that he's actually taking damage he'll gun his tank straight back away from the battle. That doesn't scare us in the slightest... My Limbus' name is Sarah. My Freedom's name is Jeremi. They both would like to say hi.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1328	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:52:00 - [91] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Why must everything be based on such extremes? Because as it is we have 10 Proto Stompers going vs 8 Newberries fresh out from the academy. This is the matchmaking we have. What makes you think that if tanks become FOTM it wont be like Atiim foresees....? Something can't be FOTM if only 7 of it can be on the map at any time. Easily have 16 Cal Logis with PRO scrambler rifles per team, but only 7 vehicles are allowed per team. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4267	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:54:00 - [92] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Why must everything be based on such extremes? Because as it is we have 10 Proto Stompers going vs 8 Newberries fresh out from the academy. This is the matchmaking we have. What makes you think that if tanks become FOTM it wont be like Atiim foresees....? The end result is the same, one team still stomps the other, you just have a bigger target to QQ about. There is no difference between the Tank and the Assault Suit at its most basic form of functionality. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 221	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:56:00 - [93] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Why must everything be based on such extremes? Because as it is we have 10 Proto Stompers going vs 8 Newberries fresh out from the academy. This is the matchmaking we have. What makes you think that if tanks become FOTM it wont be like Atiim foresees....? Something can't be FOTM if only 7 of it can be on the map at any time. Easily have 16 Cal Logis with PRO scrambler rifles per team, but only 7 vehicles are allowed per team. 7 tanks as you call them: ''UNDERPOWERED'' Totally wreck the game balance AS IT IS. Depending on the map, ateam with 2-3 tanks can completely control the battlefield. now imagine With Nerfed AV weapons... Tanks can be Fotm, everybody using tanks, the 7 ones to call them in first can play at their fullest. Of course in the case a Tank is the best Tank counter could be Viable, if Matchmaking put say: 2 tankers in each side. But with the Matchmaking as it is, it would be 4+ tanks in one side, Infantry only on the other side, and for balance sake, Infantry will need a way to deal with said tanks. Its not too hard.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 845	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:58:00 - [94] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? It encourages escalation game play. Current all AV does is reset the counter back to 0 v 0, Infy vs Infy Why do you not want to see matches with tanks rolling around fighting one another, dropship assault squads, etc? the solution call a soma cheap and fitted just to be able 2 take a hit not deal one...sit in it ina proto av suit...when all the tankers get greedy and rush you hop out and fire proto swarms at them insta popping them..will not set counter to 0,0 inftry vs infrty because the tankers will be too pissed to go back to infantry..i hada tanker spamm 9 madrugars at me today using this method ..he lost every one...i did not lose the soma.. currently till 1.7 proto swarms greater tank missiles
wayrow1 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 20	Posted - 2013.11.25 02:06:00 - [95] - Quote locate tank stalk with level 5 wiyrkomi swarm launcher 3 damage mods 3000hp problem solved lol
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4267	Posted - 2013.11.25 02:08:00 - [96] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? It encourages escalation game play. Current all AV does is reset the counter back to 0 v 0, Infy vs Infy Why do you not want to see matches with tanks rolling around fighting one another, dropship assault squads, etc? the solution call a soma cheap and fitted just to be able 2 take a hit not deal one...sit in it ina proto av suit...when all the tankers get greedy and rush you hop out and fire proto swarms at them insta popping them..will not set counter to 0,0 inftry vs infrty because the tankers will be too pissed to go back to infantry..i hada tanker spamm 9 madrugars at me today using this method ..he lost every one...i did not lose the soma.. currently till 1.7 proto swarms greater tank missiles Soma = King of Tanks. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 137	Posted - 2013.11.25 02:09:00 - [97] - Quote Atiim wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Atiim wrote: Not sure if trolling or being a legitimate dumbfluck Obviously lets the whole of the forums know you're terrible at tanking. Ooh, I haven't been on here for a while, I like your sig :D The funny part is how it's an exact opposite of the truth. Replace anti-vehicle infantry with pilots and you can summarize about 95% of their "balancing" threads.[/quote] i just solo'd a good 5000 shield gunlogi with STD swarms and STD av nades, so easy, he destroyed a scatered ion cannon but had full hp so suck on that newb, he used his booster when he took cover.[/quote] That's an obvious lie. My friend has a Gunnlogi with 4k shields and he survived 3 people using STD swarms. [/quote] dont need em, and i meant 5 mins earlier, i had him near D near a bridge so he couldn't escape, i had a hive too, love AV. but it took 2 swarm clips and 3 nades to kill, or 4 idk but he was screwed because his missiles barely hurt. recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 137	Posted - 2013.11.25 02:12:00 - [98] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Nobody has a problem with a sniper being it's own best counter but a tank oh no the best counter should not be a tank. IDR! people counter snipe but don't counter tank recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 137	Posted - 2013.11.25 02:15:00 - [99] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: That's an obvious lie. My friend has a Gunnlogi with 4k shields and he survived 3 people using STD swarms. (I knew they were STD because the volleys only had 4 rockets). To put a more urban twist on things, "Pics or GTFO!" Its debatable Atiim. There are times when mu HAV seems like its doing its job well.....there are other where It seems weak as hell. As we have discussed before neither one of us is ambivalent enough to actually have a valid opinion since we are by far too biased. And our anecdotal evidence is pretty lack lustre Everything in both real life and in fictional situations such as video games have times where they are performing perfectly and other instances where they are performing poorly. I'd like to think that I'm unbiased. All I want is for people to stop trying to balance PRO weapons against STD hulls we only have STD, and EVERYONE has pro AV now. CCP is balancing what we have now ok? recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1329	Posted - 2013.11.25 02:27:00 - [100] - Quote wayrow1 wrote: locate tank stalk with level 5 wiyrkomi swarm launcher 3 damage mods 3000hp problem solved lol Easy mode Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4269	Posted - 2013.11.25 02:30:00 - [101] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: That's an obvious lie. My friend has a Gunnlogi with 4k shields and he survived 3 people using STD swarms. (I knew they were STD because the volleys only had 4 rockets). To put a more urban twist on things, "Pics or GTFO!" Its debatable Atiim. There are times when mu HAV seems like its doing its job well.....there are other where It seems weak as hell. As we have discussed before neither one of us is ambivalent enough to actually have a valid opinion since we are by far too biased. And our anecdotal evidence is pretty lack lustre Everything in both real life and in fictional situations such as video games have times where they are performing perfectly and other instances where they are performing poorly. I'd like to think that I'm unbiased. All I want is for people to stop trying to balance PRO weapons against STD hulls we only have STD, and EVERYONE has pro AV now. CCP is balancing what we have now ok? Gimme dat Proto Tank and we can talk.... but hell I don't even want a proto tanks. I want Marauders, siege breaking units, able to withstand massive enemy fire, barely able to move, and fire gun rounds with impunity, I want black ops units with fast mobile anti infantry cannon but lacking in armour and shields, or perhaps Enforcers with capacity for massive sustained AV fire, but lacking in proper light armaments. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 138	Posted - 2013.11.25 02:33:00 - [102] - Quote yea, we only have STD, combined with EVERYONE has pro AV, you need to balance around pro AV recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
4447 Resolution XIII 841	Posted - 2013.11.25 02:37:00 - [103] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Atiim wrote: Not sure if trolling or being a legitimate dumbfluck I have more likes than you, shut up :) lul "most of them from my alts", Quote. Creep, Radiohead.
Rusty Shallows 542	Posted - 2013.11.25 03:15:00 - [104] - Quote Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Nobody has a problem with a sniper being it's own best counter but a tank oh no the best counter should not be a tank. A sniper is not the best counter to a sniper. That title belongs to scouts with profile dampners If rendering is fixed/improved a top-notch counter to a Sniper will be a Rail Tank. This best-counters logic isn't important unless the question is why item B is not as good as item A at some task. I run in a heavy suit and in no way think the best counter should have to be another heavy. Battlefields should have a myriad of options. One of the worst things that can happen to this game is if it becomes a repetitive Rifleman vs Rifleman and HAV vs HAV. "She may not be Miss Right but she'll do right now." SR-71 310k+ SP for +0.05m/s (>2in) on a Heavy. Totally worth it.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1353	Posted - 2013.11.25 03:17:00 - [105] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: A brain makes a tank good. How is it not balanced? Explain yourself. LOLNO. ISK and SP makes a tank good. Tactics aren't even required. Tell me, and I want your honest answer. Do you think people will use AV when it would be easier to use an HAV. Why should I be forced to use an HAV to be good at taking out HAVs? Not quite sure you realize how that Idea would work out if implemented. Tanks would become the biggest FoTM this game has ever seen. You think Flaylocks and ARs are bad? Think Contact grenades deserved a spot in hell? Wait until you create a FoTM so big and powerful that the only way to combat it would be to use the FoTM. Making the FoTM even bigger! Oh wait, that's exactly what you want. Infantry to hit "leave battle" so tanks can do nothing but scratch themselves up and spin their wheels (technically treads, but still). Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4275	Posted - 2013.11.25 03:18:00 - [106] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: Atiim wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Nobody has a problem with a sniper being it's own best counter but a tank oh no the best counter should not be a tank. A sniper is not the best counter to a sniper. That title belongs to scouts with profile dampners If rendering is fixed/improved a top-notch counter to a Sniper will be a Rail Tank. This best-counters logic isn't important unless the question is why item B is not as good as item A at some task. I run in a heavy suit and in no way think the best counter should have to be another heavy. Battlefields should have a myriad of options. One of the worst things that can happen to this game is if it becomes a repetitive Rifleman vs Rifleman and HAV vs HAV. but that's all this game is right now. Vehicles aren't allowed to coexist with infantry because of the current potency of AV vs vehicles. All AV does is reset to status quo infy vs infy.....and means we cannot escalate the fight to the massive battles that made me want to play this game from the 2009 trailer.... battlefield with its arcade mechanics and limited vehicle numbers....is already looking like a better alternative from a vehicle combat stand point. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1353	Posted - 2013.11.25 03:20:00 - [107] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: yea, we only have STD, combined with EVERYONE has pro AV, you need to balance around pro AV Yes, instead of adding ADV and PRO tanks we need to simply need to balance PRO gear around STD gear. While were at it, why not solve our "protostomping" issue by balancing PRO weapons around the [Starter] Medic fit. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4275	Posted - 2013.11.25 03:22:00 - [108] - Quote Atiim wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: yea, we only have STD, combined with EVERYONE has pro AV, you need to balance around pro AV Yes, instead of adding ADV and PRO tanks we need to simply need to balance PRO gear around STD gear. While were at it, why not solve our "protostomping" issue by balancing PRO weapons around the [Starter] Medic fit. Nope I want my tanks balanced around your proto level swarms. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 415	Posted - 2013.11.25 03:24:00 - [109] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Nobody has a problem with a sniper being it's own best counter but a tank oh no the best counter should not be a tank. The sniper is not its best counter. EVERY SINGLE anti Infantry weapon kills them same as everybody else. There are LOTS of ways to kill a sniper, at the end of the day, hes just another merc in a suit.SMg,AR,PC,Mass driver,Locus G,etc... what makes it FEEL this way is Broken RED LINE mechanics. Tanks are already imprevious to most weapons except 4, and one of them being crappy as hell. What, you want automatic rifles to do more damage against tanks? And this is why I lump most tankers in with the kids who have to wear bike helmets to school, you think your only counter should be another tank, and hell be damned if anything else even hurts you. If you want to play world of tanks its =====> that way and its just as free as dust.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1356	Posted - 2013.11.25 03:45:00 - [110] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Why must everything be based on such extremes? Throw two in a squad and 14 randoms against 3 squads, but must balance the game on a hypothetical such as what if one team has 3 tankers and the other has none? Oh, I know, make AV work better than a tank. You want to balance on hypotheticals and BS. I want to balance based on each team's tanks taking each other out. Chromosome railguns were perfect at that, but it's not fair that a tank was its own best counter, so infantry had them nerfed again. Why must everything be based on such extremes you may ask? Because currently all I ever see in matches is extremes where "Que-synced" full squads of corps like Nyain San are placed in a match of nothing but randoms and going 40-0. Because this game's playerbase has the "Must stomp at all costs" mentality. Because if it can happen, it's going to happen. Lets take the logistics class for example. It was designed to be a versatile support class. But it also had the ability to tank better than assaults and most heavies, stack 3-4 complex damage mods, and a built in repair of 5HP/s. I'm sure that CCP didn't design the logistics class to be the best assault suit in the game with more eHP than the average heavy did they? But why did it become this way? What led to this extreme problem we have now? It's because it was designed to allow this to happen. It wasn't meant to be this way, but since the possibility was there and the "Must stomp at all costs mentality" was present as well, we have the 1000hp Medium Frames running PRO weapons with 3-4 stacked complex damage mods. Who needs a sidearm when your 4 complex damage mods can melt everything on sight? And the 1000hp doesn't do much in terms of penalties when they already have more stamina than a heavy and did you forget about the PRO Scanners? You know, the ones with godlike range and the ability to scan 99% of all scouts? Should a Medium Frame be the best counter to a Medium Frame? Should Light Frames be the best counter to Light Frames? Should Heavy Frames be the only counter to a Heavy Frame? If a game has a class so powerful that the only efficient and effective way to counter them is with the same class, it is a game that I and many people will agree is broken Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4280	Posted - 2013.11.25 03:50:00 - [111] - Quote SgtDoughnut wrote: ] And this is why I lump most tankers in with the kids who have to wear bike helmets to school, you think your only counter should be another tank, and hell be damned if anything else even hurts you. If you want to play world of tanks its =====> that way and its just as free as dust. Fair call but what incentive is there to spec vehicles when....they cost so much and vindictive bastards like Atiim and I are groundside with PRO swarms? Why would you lose upwards of 500K isk a match, for no effin respect, the inevitable loss of phasing SL, or invisible building Forgers? Answer is you wouldn't you can only wait for those inevitable extreme matches and stomp the **** out of the newbies because otherwise you tank is as good a scrap. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Our Deepest Regret The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 336	Posted - 2013.11.25 03:57:00 - [112] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: A brain makes a tank good. How is it not balanced? Explain yourself. LOLNO. ISK and SP makes a tank good. Tactics aren't even required. . No, Isk and SP increases a tank's opportunity to survive. You can lose an expensive ride just as quickly as a cheap one.
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 227	Posted - 2013.11.25 03:58:00 - [113] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: yea, we only have STD, combined with EVERYONE has pro AV, you need to balance around pro AV Yes, instead of adding ADV and PRO tanks we need to simply need to balance PRO gear around STD gear. While were at it, why not solve our "protostomping" issue by balancing PRO weapons around the [Starter] Medic fit. Nope I want my tanks balanced around your proto level swarms. A tank with full modules can take 6+ Proto swarms, id say they can hold their ground pretty well.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4281	Posted - 2013.11.25 03:59:00 - [114] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: yea, we only have STD, combined with EVERYONE has pro AV, you need to balance around pro AV Yes, instead of adding ADV and PRO tanks we need to simply need to balance PRO gear around STD gear. While were at it, why not solve our "protostomping" issue by balancing PRO weapons around the [Starter] Medic fit. Nope I want my tanks balanced around your proto level swarms. A tank with full modules can take 6+ Proto swarms, id say they can hold their ground pretty well. Dude you want to test that on my tank this evening? I doubt it can take six swarms..... if it can I will not bother QQing again. But I know your fits couple 3x Damage mods as well. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 138	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:01:00 - [115] - Quote Atiim wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: yea, we only have STD, combined with EVERYONE has pro AV, you need to balance around pro AV Yes, instead of adding ADV and PRO tanks we need to simply need to balance PRO gear around STD gear. While were at it, why not solve our "protostomping" issue by balancing PRO weapons around the [Starter] Medic fit. you know what? im done arguing with people like you, thats infantry, not a vehicle, and i've killed a sentinel AK.0 on my armor HAV alt with a starter fit in 1 clip, and we have both pro suits and pro weapons, so bye, get vehicles removed/vulnerable to ar's like you want. recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 417	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:04:00 - [116] - Quote True Adamance wrote: SgtDoughnut wrote: ] And this is why I lump most tankers in with the kids who have to wear bike helmets to school, you think your only counter should be another tank, and hell be damned if anything else even hurts you. If you want to play world of tanks its =====> that way and its just as free as dust. Fair call but what incentive is there to spec vehicles when....they cost so much and vindictive bastards like Atiim and I are groundside with PRO swarms? Why would you lose upwards of 500K isk a match, for no effin respect, the inevitable loss of phasing SL, or invisible building Forgers? Answer is you wouldn't you can only wait for those inevitable extreme matches and stomp the **** out of the newbies because otherwise you tank is as good a scrap. Hey I want tanks to be powerful but most of these people don't want tanks to be even touched by infantry. Many of them are of the mind set that if its small enough to be carried by a single person it cannot hurt a tank. And this is just wrong, there are many weapons out there from the simple hand held grenade to our personal anti tank weaponry such as the RPG, that can easily disable a tank, they are so dangerous a tank commander will not send tanks into an area he knows there are RPG's being used in. Now you might say this is a game, and you are right, these tanks have projected shields, and much thicker armor than our current generation of tanks. However the weaponry we use is also much more powerful. In a 1 on 1 encounter an AV user if he is smart should be able to easily do enough damage to a tank to make a single manned tank retreat . However what these tankers want is the ability to totally ignore AV unless the entire other team is using them in a coordinated strike.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 138	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:04:00 - [117] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: yea, we only have STD, combined with EVERYONE has pro AV, you need to balance around pro AV Yes, instead of adding ADV and PRO tanks we need to simply need to balance PRO gear around STD gear. While were at it, why not solve our "protostomping" issue by balancing PRO weapons around the [Starter] Medic fit. Nope I want my tanks balanced around your proto level swarms. A tank with full modules can take 6+ Proto swarms, id say they can hold their ground pretty well. thats 2 clips, thats barely anything, and if they survive more than you think they probably have a heavy efficient armor repearer going recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Our Deepest Regret The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 337	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:07:00 - [118] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: A tank with full modules can take 6+ Proto swarms, id say they can hold their ground pretty well. So you're idea of a strong tank is one that requires you to reload once before it pops?
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 227	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:20:00 - [119] - Quote Our Deepest Regret wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: A tank with full modules can take 6+ Proto swarms, id say they can hold their ground pretty well. So you're idea of a strong tank is one that requires you to reload once before it pops? So your idea is for a tank to be able to take MORE than 6 Missile volleys in a row. PROTO MISSILES designed to DESTROY vehicles? I mean ,if after the first volley the tank hasn't gotten the f away,he deserves to die , of course... Even at PROTO level,Infatry does not just STAND taking damage...you move, take cover.Why should it be different for tanks?
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1333	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:24:00 - [120] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Our Deepest Regret wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: A tank with full modules can take 6+ Proto swarms, id say they can hold their ground pretty well. So you're idea of a strong tank is one that requires you to reload once before it pops? So your idea is for a tank to be able to take MORE than 6 Missile volleys in a row. PROTO MISSILES designed to DESTROY vehicles? I mean ,if after the first volley the tank hasn't gotten the f away,he deserves to die , of course... Even at PROTO level,Infatry does not just STAND taking damage...you move, take cover.Why should it be different for tanks? How many times do we have to tell you how to destroy us? Stop trying to solo tanks. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
CharCharOdell 1669	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:29:00 - [121] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: RA Drahcir wrote: 1.7 will break the game. already FGers only shoot at infantry ruining all tactics with OHKs, and 1/3 of team reverts to using thale sniper rifles breaking down to a completely unplayable match. But with the new vic changes, tanks will be even more invincible, AV will be strictly anti infantry. and this game will go to complete **. Give a universal respec to level the playing field. I will only AFK until my SP can make up for the ups CCP's special ed **** ace unfucks themselves. You don't squad with a competent tanker? Maybe he wasn't around for chromosome... well, for those of you who were not there for the greatest point Dust have ever been at (this is a bag of ass by comparison), in Chrome, tanks were good. Like, really good, and there were quite a few of us. Most infantry knew that their swarm launcher (most had mlt or std) would not cut it, nor would a forge gun, so infantry made friends with tanks and just about every squad had a tanker in it, rather than swarms or forges like we see since 1.0 dropped. Because of this, just about every battle consisted of 2-4 tanks/side smashing eachother with 5000 dps turrets from 600m away. The only time tanks actually went 30:0 was when the other team did not bring any tanks of their own, as nobody had good AV. This gave the idea that tanks were OP, when really, it was more like saying snipers are OP when all that is on the other team is shotguns. the balance was great, honestly. I spent most of my time shooting tanks and I loved it. But since most tankers left, i only have infantry and dropships to kill, so now tanks are seen more as pubstomping tools than anything else. I predict that tanks WILL run rampant for a month or so, but then you'll start seeing a lot of people speccing into tanks and suddenly, the balance will be restored. every battle will be dropships fighitng dropships, tanks fighting tanks, and AR scrubs shooting eachtoher with their aimbots. Yay! Harmony and Friendship has been restored! Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 228	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:31:00 - [122] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Our Deepest Regret wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: A tank with full modules can take 6+ Proto swarms, id say they can hold their ground pretty well. So you're idea of a strong tank is one that requires you to reload once before it pops? So your idea is for a tank to be able to take MORE than 6 Missile volleys in a row. PROTO MISSILES designed to DESTROY vehicles? I mean ,if after the first volley the tank hasn't gotten the f away,he deserves to die , of course... Even at PROTO level,Infatry does not just STAND taking damage...you move, take cover.Why should it be different for tanks? How many times do we have to tell you how to destroy us? Stop trying to solo tanks. DOUBLE STANDARDS at its finest. What a joke LOL....
Our Deepest Regret The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 337	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:33:00 - [123] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: So your idea is for a tank to be able to take MORE than 6 Missile volleys in a row. PROTO MISSILES designed to DESTROY vehicles? I mean ,if after the first volley the tank hasn't gotten the f away,he deserves to die , of course... Even at PROTO level,Infatry does not just STAND taking damage...you move, take cover.Why should it be different for tanks? Are you saying all tank players are standing still, swallowing swarm hits and belching fire in return? NO. No, they are not. sir. All the interesting tankers are constantly on the move.
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 228	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:39:00 - [124] - Quote Our Deepest Regret wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: So your idea is for a tank to be able to take MORE than 6 Missile volleys in a row. PROTO MISSILES designed to DESTROY vehicles? I mean ,if after the first volley the tank hasn't gotten the f away,he deserves to die , of course... Even at PROTO level,Infatry does not just STAND taking damage...you move, take cover.Why should it be different for tanks? Are you saying all tank players are standing still, swallowing swarm hits and belching fire in return? NO. No, they are not. sir. All the interesting tankers are constantly on the move. Then how EXACTLY are you getting hit by 6+ PROTO Swarms? With the amount of cover, DUST514 provides for vehicles.... I mean, you running around in the open? XD Doing it wrong.... (The:''AV is on a roof'' excuse does not work considering that is BAD map design not AV specialist's fault)
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1334	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:45:00 - [125] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: RA Drahcir wrote: 1.7 will break the game. already FGers only shoot at infantry ruining all tactics with OHKs, and 1/3 of team reverts to using thale sniper rifles breaking down to a completely unplayable match. But with the new vic changes, tanks will be even more invincible, AV will be strictly anti infantry. and this game will go to complete **. Give a universal respec to level the playing field. I will only AFK until my SP can make up for the ups CCP's special ed **** ace unfucks themselves. You don't squad with a competent tanker? Maybe he wasn't around for chromosome... well, for those of you who were not there for the greatest point Dust have ever been at (this is a bag of ass by comparison), in Chrome, tanks were good. Like, really good, and there were quite a few of us. Most infantry knew that their swarm launcher (most had mlt or std) would not cut it, nor would a forge gun, so infantry made friends with tanks and just about every squad had a tanker in it, rather than swarms or forges like we see since 1.0 dropped. Because of this, just about every battle consisted of 2-4 tanks/side smashing eachother with 5000 dps turrets from 600m away. The only time tanks actually went 30:0 was when the other team did not bring any tanks of their own, as nobody had good AV. This gave the idea that tanks were OP, when really, it was more like saying snipers are OP when all that is on the other team is shotguns. the balance was great, honestly. I spent most of my time shooting tanks and I loved it. But since most tankers left, i only have infantry and dropships to kill, so now tanks are seen more as pubstomping tools than anything else. I predict that tanks WILL run rampant for a month or so, but then you'll start seeing a lot of people speccing into tanks and suddenly, the balance will be restored. every battle will be dropships fighitng dropships, tanks fighting tanks, and AR scrubs shooting eachtoher with their aimbots. Yay! Harmony and Friendship has been restored! I've said multiple times that I don't see the problem with a damage modded Soma killing a Surya in 3 shots. Apparently infantry thinks they can do everybody else's role better, too. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1334	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:46:00 - [126] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Our Deepest Regret wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: A tank with full modules can take 6+ Proto swarms, id say they can hold their ground pretty well. So you're idea of a strong tank is one that requires you to reload once before it pops? So your idea is for a tank to be able to take MORE than 6 Missile volleys in a row. PROTO MISSILES designed to DESTROY vehicles? I mean ,if after the first volley the tank hasn't gotten the f away,he deserves to die , of course... Even at PROTO level,Infatry does not just STAND taking damage...you move, take cover.Why should it be different for tanks? How many times do we have to tell you how to destroy us? Stop trying to solo tanks. DOUBLE STANDARDS at its finest. What a joke LOL.... Stop trying to solo us. What's so hard to understand about that? And what double standards are you talking about? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1335	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:49:00 - [127] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Step 1, Get a HAV Step 2, Get a Railgun Step 3, Damage mods Step 4, Kill Tanks Step 5, ???? Step 6, Profit! I made this and posted it. Check it out. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 228	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:55:00 - [128] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Stop trying to solo us. What's so hard to understand about that? And what double standards are you talking about? You tankers trying to solo a whole enemy squad,in the open.... Tanks can solo squads? then aV should solo tanks. ITs called balance. What you want is: Tank can solo enemy teams Enemy teams need Strategy and teamwork to even SCARE the tank away. LOL @ your ideals .
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 138	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:56:00 - [129] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: A tank with full modules can take 6+ Proto swarms, id say they can hold their ground pretty well. So you're idea of a strong tank is one that requires you to reload once before it pops? So your idea is for a tank to be able to take MORE than 6 Missile volleys in a row. PROTO MISSILES designed to DESTROY vehicles? I mean ,if after the first volley the tank hasn't gotten the f away,he deserves to die , of course... Even at PROTO level,Infatry does not just STAND taking damage...you move, take cover.Why should it be different for tanks? How many times do [/quote] S[/QUOTE] infantry v infantry or tank v infantry solo'ing im done arguing with "them" please explain why its stupid to 2 clip a tank, and how easy it is, he's worse than Atim. i mean 2 clips, really? recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Severance Pay Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 965	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:57:00 - [130] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Flix Keptick wrote: Step 7: Get destroyed by the tanks you were trying to kill because you are an inexperienced driver (does not apply if enemy tanker is a noob) Shh, don't let them know! Severance Pay wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Step 1, Get a HAV Step 2, Get a Railgun Step 3, Damage mods Step 4, Kill Tanks Step 5, ???? Step 6, Profit! What do I do when a dropship hovers over me and takes popshots while I cower in fear? Or what 3 LAVs blockade me and their passengers are all forgegun fanatics? What if they hit me with an orbital? I'm sorry sir, this is for those that sit up in the red line killing active tankers :) Severance Pay wrote: Would be even more unfair if this was modern day tanks, in which 1-2 would destroy you. Hmm.. Well if we think a single railgun shot is actually hitting a heavily armored and shielded vehicles and doing a significant amount of damage, I've got a feeling modern day tanks wouldn't survive from a single shot.. :) Modern day 120mm mortar can destroy a tank in one hit. It doesn't puncture or pierce armor but a 20 pound shell traveling at 300m/s stopping instantly after impact creates 720kN of force, which is enough to crumple armor like it was paper. If it were rail tech the velocity shoots up to 700m/s which will give the projectile 1.6mN or for a better perspective .16 megatons of force(the same as a small nuclear explosion). So in tank vs tank battles it is usually whoever shoots first wins. We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1335	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:58:00 - [131] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Stop trying to solo us. What's so hard to understand about that? And what double standards are you talking about? You tankers trying to solo a whole enemy squad,in the open.... Tanks can solo squads? then aV should solo tanks. ITs called balance. What you want is: Tank can solo enemy teams Enemy teams need Strategy and teamwork to even SCARE the tank away. LOL @ your ideals . Whatever you say, KING CHECKMATE. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 138	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:58:00 - [132] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Stop trying to solo us. What's so hard to understand about that? And what double standards are you talking about? You tankers trying to solo a whole enemy squad,in the open.... Tanks can solo squads? then aV should solo tanks. ITs called balance. What you want is: Tank can solo enemy teams Enemy teams need Strategy and teamwork to even SCARE the tank away. LOL @ your ideals . we cant escape at all which is a FORCED loss of 1 mil, infantry can hide recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Monkey MAC killer taxi company 1063	Posted - 2013.11.25 06:38:00 - [133] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? It encourages escalation game play. Current all AV does is reset the counter back to 0 v 0, Infy vs Infy Why do you not want to see matches with tanks rolling around fighting one another, dropship assault squads, etc? Escalation gameplay is all well and good, but where do youbgo from tanks, MTAC's, Gunships? What happens when you reach the top? When you reach the top of escalation gameplay it becomes all about who has the most top level stuff at any one time! What you want is Cyclic gameplay, where everything beats everything in the right circumstances! Where it becomes what is deployed where, not how much of itl Examples Escalation Gameplay: Sid Mierer's Civilisation Cyclic Gameplay Tom Clancy's EndWar And where do vehicles get the benefits? Only ever on maps where the other team is too stupid not to field its OP AV, abuse roof tops, or poor tank rendering. I do not want to make infantry unusable they have their uses in entrenched positions, building, and to hack things, they should not be able to dominate in all things on all maps like they do now. You see you miss the point, that because I don't except the same idea as you I want tanks to be easily stomped. Actually read what I write, I have no problem mwith tanks being powerful, what I have a problem with is when you want Anti-Vehicle weaponry to be useless against them. I don't have a problem with a tank taking down a squad if he networks with his own squad to bring them down. But tanks are niche weapons, just like the dropships, just like the Mass driver, just like the laser rifle. It shouldn't be the answer to every situation. Being the only side to field one shouldn't guarantee victory, being the side to field the most shouldn't either. Instead there should be points where tanks are the best solution to certain problems, not all of them! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 73	Posted - 2013.11.25 06:58:00 - [134] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: You see you miss the point, that because I don't except the same idea as you I want tanks to be easily stomped. Actually read what I write, I have no problem mwith tanks being powerful, what I have a problem with is when you want Anti-Vehicle weaponry to be useless against them. I don't have a problem with a tank taking down a squad if he networks with his own squad to bring them down. But tanks are niche weapons, just like the dropships, just like the Mass driver, just like the laser rifle. It shouldn't be the answer to every situation. Being the only side to field one shouldn't guarantee victory, being the side to field the most shouldn't either. Instead there should be points where tanks are the best solution to certain problems, not all of them! basically your one of the call of duty boys who views the grunt ar as the almighty god of your universe Void Echo's Alt Back-up Profile Back on main 12-20-2013
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4288	Posted - 2013.11.25 07:02:00 - [135] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: You see you miss the point, that because I don't except the same idea as you I want tanks to be easily stomped. Actually read what I write, I have no problem mwith tanks being powerful, what I have a problem with is when you want Anti-Vehicle weaponry to be useless against them. I don't have a problem with a tank taking down a squad if he networks with his own squad to bring them down. But tanks are niche weapons, just like the dropships, just like the Mass driver, just like the laser rifle. It shouldn't be the answer to every situation. Being the only side to field one shouldn't guarantee victory, being the side to field the most shouldn't either. Instead there should be points where tanks are the best solution to certain problems, not all of them! And if you read what I write you will know that is not what I want. I want balance. You don't get balance when enemies can be doing more damage than large rail guns with more splash, all the while being invisible, same with swarms. That is not balance, The size of the armament we carry we should easily have the same range as you if not more, with better in built visual targeting equipment. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Our Deepest Regret The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 338	Posted - 2013.11.25 07:16:00 - [136] - Quote Tanking will get a lot more tactical with the vehicle patch. Now listen, I don't mean to put too much blame on blueberries, because there are quite a few who help out, and are smart players, and all that, but it's a stone-cold fact that the biggest obstacle contributing to HAV destruction isn't just AV. It's those damn randoms who won't get the FLUCK out of the tank so we can do a recall. Making HAV's a single pilot affair is going to do soooo much good for my blood pressure. I lost a tank last week in the worst way: I radioed it down, and enemies started shooting at us. I bug out of there, hide behind a wall, and wait for it to drop, then run out only for some YOLO Brazilian kid on my side to hijack my tank, drive it straight into the enemy, get five quick kills and then get blown up. That's not counting all the times my damn teammates refused to leave the damn tank so I could recall. Seriously, seriously, annoying. So anyway, AVers, that's how you kill a tank. Wait for someone else to jump into it, then unload because you know the tanker'll be trapped.
4447 Resolution XIII 851	Posted - 2013.11.25 07:18:00 - [137] - Quote Our Deepest Regret wrote: Tanking will get a lot more tactical with the vehicle patch. Now listen, I don't mean to put too much blame on blueberries, because there are quite a few who help out, and are smart players, and all that, but it's a stone-cold fact that the biggest obstacle contributing to HAV destruction isn't just AV. It's those damn randoms who won't get the FLUCK out of the tank so we can do a recall. Making HAV's a single pilot affair is going to do soooo much good for my blood pressure. I lost a tank last week in the worst way: I radioed it down, and enemies started shooting at us. I bug out of there, hide behind a wall, and wait for it to drop, then run out only for some YOLO Brazilian kid on my side to hijack my tank, drive it straight into the enemy, get five quick kills and then get blown up. That's not counting all the times my damn teammates refused to leave the damn tank so I could recall. Seriously, seriously, annoying. So anyway, AVers, that's how you kill a tank. Wait for someone else to jump into it, then unload because you know the tanker'll be trapped. This is what i mean, tanks shouldn't need teamwork, we tankers get it so hard. Troll, For lifeGÇª But maybe a dragon, uh a bigger dragon.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company 1063	Posted - 2013.11.25 07:22:00 - [138] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: You see you miss the point, that because I don't except the same idea as you I want tanks to be easily stomped. Actually read what I write, I have no problem mwith tanks being powerful, what I have a problem with is when you want Anti-Vehicle weaponry to be useless against them. I don't have a problem with a tank taking down a squad if he networks with his own squad to bring them down. But tanks are niche weapons, just like the dropships, just like the Mass driver, just like the laser rifle. It shouldn't be the answer to every situation. Being the only side to field one shouldn't guarantee victory, being the side to field the most shouldn't either. Instead there should be points where tanks are the best solution to certain problems, not all of them! And if you read what I write you will know that is not what I want. I want balance. You don't get balance when enemies can be doing more damage than large rail guns with more splash, all the while being invisible, same with swarms. That is not balance, The size of the armament we carry we should easily have the same range as you if not more, with better in built visual targeting equipment. sigh Did I say render shouldn't be fixed? No Did I say you shouldn't have more range? No Did I say a Tank should NOT be the onlt counter to a Tank? Yes Tell me where you think I don't want balance, ACTUAL balance? The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
4447 Resolution XIII 852	Posted - 2013.11.25 07:26:00 - [139] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: You see you miss the point, that because I don't except the same idea as you I want tanks to be easily stomped. Actually read what I write, I have no problem mwith tanks being powerful, what I have a problem with is when you want Anti-Vehicle weaponry to be useless against them. I don't have a problem with a tank taking down a squad if he networks with his own squad to bring them down. But tanks are niche weapons, just like the dropships, just like the Mass driver, just like the laser rifle. It shouldn't be the answer to every situation. Being the only side to field one shouldn't guarantee victory, being the side to field the most shouldn't either. Instead there should be points where tanks are the best solution to certain problems, not all of them! And if you read what I write you will know that is not what I want. I want balance. You don't get balance when enemies can be doing more damage than large rail guns with more splash, all the while being invisible, same with swarms. That is not balance, The size of the armament we carry we should easily have the same range as you if not more, with better in built visual targeting equipment. WE tankers GET it harder then any other class,. Troll, For lifeGÇª But maybe a dragon, uh a bigger dragon.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company 1063	Posted - 2013.11.25 07:28:00 - [140] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: You see you miss the point, that because I don't except the same idea as you I want tanks to be easily stomped. Actually read what I write, I have no problem mwith tanks being powerful, what I have a problem with is when you want Anti-Vehicle weaponry to be useless against them. I don't have a problem with a tank taking down a squad if he networks with his own squad to bring them down. But tanks are niche weapons, just like the dropships, just like the Mass driver, just like the laser rifle. It shouldn't be the answer to every situation. Being the only side to field one shouldn't guarantee victory, being the side to field the most shouldn't either. Instead there should be points where tanks are the best solution to certain problems, not all of them! basically your one of the call of duty boys who views the grunt ar as the almighty god of your universe Yes Void, I see you took the time to read! If you can be bothered you might find my main doesn't use AR, but of course I disagree with you, so every assumption you make must be true right? Hell lets apply your logic to both of us. You go play World of Tanks I'll go play COD, I'll be back when I find it boring and . . . . . . . . .oh wait! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Our Deepest Regret The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 338	Posted - 2013.11.25 07:28:00 - [141] - Quote 4447 wrote: This is what i mean, tanks shouldn't need teamwork, we tankers get it so hard. Where are you getting "no teamwork" from? I'm a big proponent of teamwork being overpowered and awesome. All my SP has gone into tanks, I literally cannot contribute to the teamwork if my teammates get my rig blown up. Bro, I have a nice mic, and I try to explain to these cats what's going on and what I need them to do, and they don't listen: they don't want to get out of the damn tank. Who can blame them? It's fun, and they won't be the ones out a million isk when it blows. Suuuuucks for meeeee, though.
Jason Pearson 3154	Posted - 2013.11.25 07:29:00 - [142] - Quote 4447 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: You see you miss the point, that because I don't except the same idea as you I want tanks to be easily stomped. Actually read what I write, I have no problem mwith tanks being powerful, what I have a problem with is when you want Anti-Vehicle weaponry to be useless against them. I don't have a problem with a tank taking down a squad if he networks with his own squad to bring them down. But tanks are niche weapons, just like the dropships, just like the Mass driver, just like the laser rifle. It shouldn't be the answer to every situation. Being the only side to field one shouldn't guarantee victory, being the side to field the most shouldn't either. Instead there should be points where tanks are the best solution to certain problems, not all of them! And if you read what I write you will know that is not what I want. I want balance. You don't get balance when enemies can be doing more damage than large rail guns with more splash, all the while being invisible, same with swarms. That is not balance, The size of the armament we carry we should easily have the same range as you if not more, with better in built visual targeting equipment. WE tankers GET it harder then any other class,. You used to post legit, now you're trying to act like a troll, and the sad bit is you look like a mong for doing it :) King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Laugh at the idiots crying about four BPOs being removed erryday, lul
4447 Resolution XIII 852	Posted - 2013.11.25 07:34:00 - [143] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: 4447 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: You see you miss the point, that because I don't except the same idea as you I want tanks to be easily stomped. Actually read what I write, I have no problem mwith tanks being powerful, what I have a problem with is when you want Anti-Vehicle weaponry to be useless against them. I don't have a problem with a tank taking down a squad if he networks with his own squad to bring them down. But tanks are niche weapons, just like the dropships, just like the Mass driver, just like the laser rifle. It shouldn't be the answer to every situation. Being the only side to field one shouldn't guarantee victory, being the side to field the most shouldn't either. Instead there should be points where tanks are the best solution to certain problems, not all of them! And if you read what I write you will know that is not what I want. I want balance. You don't get balance when enemies can be doing more damage than large rail guns with more splash, all the while being invisible, same with swarms. That is not balance, The size of the armament we carry we should easily have the same range as you if not more, with better in built visual targeting equipment. WE tankers GET it harder then any other class,. You used to post legit, now you're trying to act like a troll, and the sad bit is you look like a mong for doing it :) Here's my real post tankers need to be strong but have a weak attack, or weak with a strong attack, That's it. EDIT: they can't have both. Troll, For lifeGÇª But maybe a dragon, uh a bigger dragon.
Jason Pearson 3155	Posted - 2013.11.25 08:26:00 - [144] - Quote 4447 wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: 4447 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: You see you miss the point, that because I don't except the same idea as you I want tanks to be easily stomped. Actually read what I write, I have no problem mwith tanks being powerful, what I have a problem with is when you want Anti-Vehicle weaponry to be useless against them. I don't have a problem with a tank taking down a squad if he networks with his own squad to bring them down. But tanks are niche weapons, just like the dropships, just like the Mass driver, just like the laser rifle. It shouldn't be the answer to every situation. Being the only side to field one shouldn't guarantee victory, being the side to field the most shouldn't either. Instead there should be points where tanks are the best solution to certain problems, not all of them! And if you read what I write you will know that is not what I want. I want balance. You don't get balance when enemies can be doing more damage than large rail guns with more splash, all the while being invisible, same with swarms. That is not balance, The size of the armament we carry we should easily have the same range as you if not more, with better in built visual targeting equipment. WE tankers GET it harder then any other class,. You used to post legit, now you're trying to act like a troll, and the sad bit is you look like a mong for doing it :) Here's my real post tankers need to be strong but have a weak attack, or weak with a strong attack, That's it. EDIT: they can't have both. There we go :) See better and I agree with you ^_^ King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Laugh at the idiots crying about four BPOs being removed erryday, lul
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1778	Posted - 2013.11.25 12:40:00 - [145] - Quote 8 pages lol Come on infantry its not that hard to kill a tank Why do we keep having to tell you how to do it?
Monkey MAC killer taxi company 1064	Posted - 2013.11.25 12:45:00 - [146] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: 8 pages lol Come on infantry its not that hard to kill a tank Why do we keep having to tell you how to do it? Because if infantry requires a tank to kill a tank that's not infantry that's a tank, so in actual fact you are telling tankers how to kill tankers which inforces the point that tanks are gonna end up op if we continuemdown this road so really everytime you tell us its easy to kill a tank with a tank, you reinforce our point, Your mind is now blown, see you when you get out The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 139	Posted - 2013.11.25 12:52:00 - [147] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: 8 pages lol Come on infantry its not that hard to kill a tank Why do we keep having to tell you how to do it? Because if infantry requires a tank to kill a tank that's not infantry that's a tank, so in actual fact you are telling tankers how to kill tankers which inforces the point that tanks are gonna end up op if we continuemdown this road so really everytime you tell us its easy to kill a tank with a tank, you reinforce our point, Your mind is now blown, see you when you get out whats the BEST counter to a gun? another gun. whats the BEST counter to infantry? infantry AV is meant for support and area denial, not PURE killing recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1358	Posted - 2013.11.25 14:06:00 - [148] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: You see you miss the point, that because I don't except the same idea as you I want tanks to be easily stomped. Actually read what I write, I have no problem mwith tanks being powerful, what I have a problem with is when you want Anti-Vehicle weaponry to be useless against them. I don't have a problem with a tank taking down a squad if he networks with his own squad to bring them down. But tanks are niche weapons, just like the dropships, just like the Mass driver, just like the laser rifle. It shouldn't be the answer to every situation. Being the only side to field one shouldn't guarantee victory, being the side to field the most shouldn't either. Instead there should be points where tanks are the best solution to certain problems, not all of them! basically your one of the call of duty boys who views the grunt ar as the almighty god of your universe No he's just not a World of Tanks boy who thinks tanks should be the answer to everything. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1358	Posted - 2013.11.25 14:13:00 - [149] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: 8 pages lol Come on infantry its not that hard to kill a tank Why do we keep having to tell you how to do it? Because if infantry requires a tank to kill a tank that's not infantry that's a tank, so in actual fact you are telling tankers how to kill tankers which inforces the point that tanks are gonna end up op if we continuemdown this road so really everytime you tell us its easy to kill a tank with a tank, you reinforce our point, Your mind is now blown, see you when you get out whats the BEST counter to a gun? another gun. whats the BEST counter to infantry? infantry AV is meant for support and area denial, not PURE killing That statement is way to huge of a generalization. What's the best counter to a gun? A different gun. Just like how Mass Drivers are the best counter to Shotguns What's the best counter to infantry? A different class of infantry. Just like rail tanks are the best counter to blaster tanks. AV is meant for Anti-Vehicle. It is meant by title to destroy vehicles. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Jason Pearson 3161	Posted - 2013.11.25 14:22:00 - [150] - Quote Atiim wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: 8 pages lol Come on infantry its not that hard to kill a tank Why do we keep having to tell you how to do it? Because if infantry requires a tank to kill a tank that's not infantry that's a tank, so in actual fact you are telling tankers how to kill tankers which inforces the point that tanks are gonna end up op if we continuemdown this road so really everytime you tell us its easy to kill a tank with a tank, you reinforce our point, Your mind is now blown, see you when you get out whats the BEST counter to a gun? another gun. whats the BEST counter to infantry? infantry AV is meant for support and area denial, not PURE killing That statement is way to huge of a generalization. What's the best counter to a gun? A different gun. Just like how Mass Drivers are the best counter to Shotguns What's the best counter to infantry? A different class of infantry. Just like rail tanks are the best counter to blaster tanks. AV is meant for Anti-Vehicle. It is meant by title to destroy vehicles. Actually, Rails are not the best counter to Blasters. It depends on a lot of factors, it's like saying a Sniper Rifle is good against a shotgun, Sure, at range, but a Blaster fitted to a speed tank is better at dealing with a Rail, Also depends on the type of tank, a missile tank might be better than a rail for example. But I don't care much for it, the reason I'm replying is to ask a question, should AV be stronger than the turrets? Such as a Forge being stronger than a rail (don't give me BUT FORGES HAVE AMMO, because rails will too) just a question. Also, should AV be so cheap in comparison? I don't disagree that a solo tanker should die to a solo AVer (as a solo AVer can die to a solo tanker) but the cost comparison is ridiculous. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Laugh at the idiots crying about four BPOs being removed erryday, lul
chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 80	Posted - 2013.11.25 14:34:00 - [151] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: Cheaper way to get rid of a tank. buy militia heavy frame buy militia forge gun shoot tank multiple times until dead. Cheaper and zero sp spent. sad but true.....
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1359	Posted - 2013.11.25 14:49:00 - [152] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Stop trying to solo us. What's so hard to understand about that? And what double standards are you talking about? You tankers trying to solo a whole enemy squad,in the open.... Tanks can solo squads? then aV should solo tanks. ITs called balance. What you want is: Tank can solo enemy teams Enemy teams need Strategy and teamwork to even SCARE the tank away. LOL @ your ideals . we cant escape at all which is a FORCED loss of 1 mil, infantry can hide Nitrous Armor Hardners (or shield hardners) F/45 Dmg control unti. You can easily hit 50% resistance as well as being able to have enough speed to escape in time. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1780	Posted - 2013.11.25 14:56:00 - [153] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: 8 pages lol Come on infantry its not that hard to kill a tank Why do we keep having to tell you how to do it? Because if infantry requires a tank to kill a tank that's not infantry that's a tank, so in actual fact you are telling tankers how to kill tankers which inforces the point that tanks are gonna end up op if we continuemdown this road so really everytime you tell us its easy to kill a tank with a tank, you reinforce our point, Your mind is now blown, see you when you get out It is infantry Currently im infantry who can call in a tank Not hard tbh Tank is OP if its made to take out another tank, lolno
Jason Pearson 3162	Posted - 2013.11.25 17:59:00 - [154] - Quote Atiim wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Stop trying to solo us. What's so hard to understand about that? And what double standards are you talking about? You tankers trying to solo a whole enemy squad,in the open.... Tanks can solo squads? then aV should solo tanks. ITs called balance. What you want is: Tank can solo enemy teams Enemy teams need Strategy and teamwork to even SCARE the tank away. LOL @ your ideals . we cant escape at all which is a FORCED loss of 1 mil, infantry can hide Nitrous Armor Hardners (or shield hardners) F/45 Dmg control unti. You can easily hit 50% resistance as well as being able to have enough speed to escape in time. Erm, So for a Shield, you want me to run a Nitrous, Hardener, Control Unit and then leave me with two slots for a Rep and a booster? No thank you. Also, y u no answer my above post? plzrespondkthx. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Laugh at the idiots crying about four BPOs being removed erryday, lul
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1359	Posted - 2013.11.25 18:36:00 - [155] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Atiim wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Stop trying to solo us. What's so hard to understand about that? And what double standards are you talking about? You tankers trying to solo a whole enemy squad,in the open.... Tanks can solo squads? then aV should solo tanks. ITs called balance. What you want is: Tank can solo enemy teams Enemy teams need Strategy and teamwork to even SCARE the tank away. LOL @ your ideals . we cant escape at all which is a FORCED loss of 1 mil, infantry can hide Nitrous Armor Hardners (or shield hardners) F/45 Dmg control unti. You can easily hit 50% resistance as well as being able to have enough speed to escape in time. Erm, So for a Shield, you want me to run a Nitrous, Hardener, Control Unit and then leave me with two slots for a Rep and a booster? No thank you. Also, y u no answer my above post? plzrespondkthx. @work right now. I'll do so on my lunch break (15min) Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 45	Posted - 2013.11.25 18:40:00 - [156] - Quote Atiim wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Stop trying to solo us. What's so hard to understand about that? And what double standards are you talking about? You tankers trying to solo a whole enemy squad,in the open.... Tanks can solo squads? then aV should solo tanks. ITs called balance. What you want is: Tank can solo enemy teams Enemy teams need Strategy and teamwork to even SCARE the tank away. LOL @ your ideals . we cant escape at all which is a FORCED loss of 1 mil, infantry can hide Nitrous Armor Hardners (or shield hardners) F/45 Dmg control unti. You can easily hit 50% resistance as well as being able to have enough speed to escape in time. Message from Godin: ..... Did you try to give us fitting advice? Have you lost it?
Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 224	Posted - 2013.11.25 18:42:00 - [157] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: 8 pages lol Come on infantry its not that hard to kill a tank Why do we keep having to tell you how to do it? Because if infantry requires a tank to kill a tank that's not infantry that's a tank, so in actual fact you are telling tankers how to kill tankers which inforces the point that tanks are gonna end up op if we continuemdown this road so really everytime you tell us its easy to kill a tank with a tank, you reinforce our point, Your mind is now blown, see you when you get out whats the BEST counter to a gun? another gun. whats the BEST counter to infantry? infantry AV is meant for support and area denial, not PURE killing Then as an AV trooper why are we only paid for Pure killing ? Why are we LESS effective against infantry if we are infantry as well ? Why make a role if it's not economically viable to do that role "the right way" in your view ? No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1360	Posted - 2013.11.25 19:16:00 - [158] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: [quote=Atiim] Actually, Rails are not the best counter to Blasters. It depends on a lot of factors, it's like saying a Sniper Rifle is good against a shotgun, Sure, at range, but a Blaster fitted to a speed tank is better at dealing with a Rail, Also depends on the type of tank, a missile tank might be better than a rail for example. But I don't care much for it, the reason I'm replying is to ask a question, should AV be stronger than the turrets? Such as a Forge being stronger than a rail (don't give me BUT FORGES HAVE AMMO, because rails will too) just a question. Also, should AV be so cheap in comparison? I don't disagree that a solo tanker should die to a solo AVer (as a solo AVer can die to a solo tanker) but the cost comparison is ridiculous. If I sit on a hill in the redline, there is no way your blaster is getting there in time without being at full health. I believe that HAVs need a price reduction. Does that answer your question? Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4291	Posted - 2013.11.25 19:17:00 - [159] - Quote Atiim wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: [quote=Atiim] Actually, Rails are not the best counter to Blasters. It depends on a lot of factors, it's like saying a Sniper Rifle is good against a shotgun, Sure, at range, but a Blaster fitted to a speed tank is better at dealing with a Rail, Also depends on the type of tank, a missile tank might be better than a rail for example. But I don't care much for it, the reason I'm replying is to ask a question, should AV be stronger than the turrets? Such as a Forge being stronger than a rail (don't give me BUT FORGES HAVE AMMO, because rails will too) just a question. Also, should AV be so cheap in comparison? I don't disagree that a solo tanker should die to a solo AVer (as a solo AVer can die to a solo tanker) but the cost comparison is ridiculous. If I sit on a hill in the redline, there is no way your blaster is getting there in time without being at full health. I believe that HAVs need a price reduction. Does that answer your question? I believe you should not be able to fire outside of CONCORDs established battlefields. This way you get not redline rails, and we get no redline AV. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Jason Pearson 3164	Posted - 2013.11.25 19:19:00 - [160] - Quote Atiim wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: [quote=Atiim] Actually, Rails are not the best counter to Blasters. It depends on a lot of factors, it's like saying a Sniper Rifle is good against a shotgun, Sure, at range, but a Blaster fitted to a speed tank is better at dealing with a Rail, Also depends on the type of tank, a missile tank might be better than a rail for example. But I don't care much for it, the reason I'm replying is to ask a question, should AV be stronger than the turrets? Such as a Forge being stronger than a rail (don't give me BUT FORGES HAVE AMMO, because rails will too) just a question. Also, should AV be so cheap in comparison? I don't disagree that a solo tanker should die to a solo AVer (as a solo AVer can die to a solo tanker) but the cost comparison is ridiculous. If I sit on a hill in the redline, there is no way your blaster is getting there in time without being at full health. I believe that HAVs need a price reduction. Does that answer your question? Not really, what of the strength of a rail vs a Forge for example, oh and any a rail in the hills against a blaster is like a sniper in the hills firing at a shotgun scout, again it's all down the situation and how good the players are, if you're a sniper and not on the redline, it's possible to get a jump on you with a scout, same as a blaster tank getting a jump on a rail. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Laugh at the idiots crying about four BPOs being removed erryday, lul
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1361	Posted - 2013.11.25 19:33:00 - [161] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: [quote=Atiim] Actually, Rails are not the best counter to Blasters. It depends on a lot of factors, it's like saying a Sniper Rifle is good against a shotgun, Sure, at range, but a Blaster fitted to a speed tank is better at dealing with a Rail, Also depends on the type of tank, a missile tank might be better than a rail for example. But I don't care much for it, the reason I'm replying is to ask a question, should AV be stronger than the turrets? Such as a Forge being stronger than a rail (don't give me BUT FORGES HAVE AMMO, because rails will too) just a question. Also, should AV be so cheap in comparison? I don't disagree that a solo tanker should die to a solo AVer (as a solo AVer can die to a solo tanker) but the cost comparison is ridiculous. If I sit on a hill in the redline, there is no way your blaster is getting there in time without being at full health. I believe that HAVs need a price reduction. Does that answer your question? I believe you should not be able to fire outside of CONCORDs established battlefields. This way you get not redline rails, and we get no redline AV. Not completely. What if the team gets redlined? Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4291	Posted - 2013.11.25 19:43:00 - [162] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: [quote=Atiim] Actually, Rails are not the best counter to Blasters. It depends on a lot of factors, it's like saying a Sniper Rifle is good against a shotgun, Sure, at range, but a Blaster fitted to a speed tank is better at dealing with a Rail, Also depends on the type of tank, a missile tank might be better than a rail for example. But I don't care much for it, the reason I'm replying is to ask a question, should AV be stronger than the turrets? Such as a Forge being stronger than a rail (don't give me BUT FORGES HAVE AMMO, because rails will too) just a question. Also, should AV be so cheap in comparison? I don't disagree that a solo tanker should die to a solo AVer (as a solo AVer can die to a solo tanker) but the cost comparison is ridiculous. If I sit on a hill in the redline, there is no way your blaster is getting there in time without being at full health. I believe that HAVs need a price reduction. Does that answer your question? I believe you should not be able to fire outside of CONCORDs established battlefields. This way you get not redline rails, and we get no redline AV. Not completely. What if the team gets redlined? You don't deserve to be able to fire with impunity if your team is that bad. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 140	Posted - 2013.11.25 21:01:00 - [163] - Quote Gelan Corbaine wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: 8 pages lol Come on infantry its not that hard to kill a tank Why do we keep having to tell you how to do it? Because if infantry requires a tank to kill a tank that's not infantry that's a tank, so in actual fact you are telling tankers how to kill tankers which inforces the point that tanks are gonna end up op if we continuemdown this road so really everytime you tell us its easy to kill a tank with a tank, you reinforce our point, Your mind is now blown, see you when you get out whats the BEST counter to a gun? another gun. whats the BEST counter to infantry? infantry A Then as an AV trooper why are we only paid for Pure killing ? Why are we LESS effective against infantry if we are infantry as well ? Why make a role if it's not economically viable to do that role "the right way" in your view ? carry a smg and ccp needs to add WP for damage recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit

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