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Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1323	Posted - 2013.11.24 08:54:00 - [1] - Quote Atiim wrote: Not sure if trolling or being a legitimate dumbfluck Obviously lets the whole of the forums know you're terrible at tanking. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1323	Posted - 2013.11.24 09:01:00 - [2] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Not sure if trolling or being a legitimate dumbfluck Obviously lets the whole of the forums know you're terrible at tanking. His OP listed instructions on how AV can destroy HAVs. Yet, all of this requires an HAV; therefore making it not actual AV, but simply HAV vs HAV. Man, I come home buzzed from a concert and this is what I see? Banishment! Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1326	Posted - 2013.11.24 17:08:00 - [3] - Quote RA Drahcir wrote: 1.7 will break the game. already FGers only shoot at infantry ruining all tactics with OHKs, and 1/3 of team reverts to using thale sniper rifles breaking down to a completely unplayable match. But with the new vic changes, tanks will be even more invincible, AV will be strictly anti infantry. and this game will go to complete **. Give a universal respec to level the playing field. I will only AFK until my SP can make up for the ups CCP's special ed **** ace unfucks themselves. You don't squad with a competent tanker? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1326	Posted - 2013.11.24 17:10:00 - [4] - Quote Atiim wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Not sure if trolling or being a legitimate dumbfluck Obviously lets the whole of the forums know you're terrible at tanking. Ooh, I haven't been on here for a while, I like your sig :D The funny part is how it's an exact opposite of the truth. Replace anti-vehicle infantry with pilots and you can summarize about 95% of their "balancing" threads. Like I've been saying. As infantry, how would it be unfair to you if we still had Chromosome railguns, where 2-3 shots would destroy the best fit tanks? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1326	Posted - 2013.11.24 17:11:00 - [5] - Quote RA Drahcir wrote: how to kill a tank? you can't unless the spineless piece of ** cannot run one. if you lose a tank, you are a worthless scrap of STD ridden ** that should be frozen or burned from humanity I suppose you're some protege tanker that cannot be beaten? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1327	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:12:00 - [6] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Step 1, Get a HAV Step 2, Get a Railgun Step 3, Damage mods Step 4, Kill Tanks Step 5, ???? Step 6, Profit! WOW get outta you're redline and fight like a man! although this could stop the uprising of tanks but then again you're bringing back rail sniping. Do you not think there's a few of us that can engage tanks in CQC with a railgun? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1327	Posted - 2013.11.24 21:17:00 - [7] - Quote ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1328	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:32:00 - [8] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Nobody has a problem with a sniper being it's own best counter but a tank oh no the best counter should not be a tank. Why not? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1328	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:37:00 - [9] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? But you can't destroy a tank using your own poorly fit tank because you're terrible, so of course you don't want a tank to be its own best counter. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1328	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:38:00 - [10] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? I think the better question would be why would we have AV? As a last ditch go out fighting kinda think before the big bad HAV disintegrates you? It's like them giving you a starting pistol on round 40 of zombies It's like them giving you ammo for the one gun you don't have It's like them giving you 1 extra life in crash bandicoot after you wasted 3 lives getting to the box Why don't we just remove AV from the game (after it should be useless), then a few months later remove infantry(they can't stand up to tanks, why have them), then another few months remove the lavs(no one is driving them) and then dropships(no one needs any transport) oh look world of tanks You don't squad with a competent tanker? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1328	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:40:00 - [11] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Nobody has a problem with a sniper being it's own best counter but a tank oh no the best counter should not be a tank. The sniper is not its best counter. EVERY SINGLE anti Infantry weapon kills them same as everybody else. There are LOTS of ways to kill a sniper, at the end of the day, hes just another merc in a suit.SMg,AR,PC,Mass driver,Locus G,etc... what makes it FEEL this way is Broken RED LINE mechanics. Tanks are already imprevious to most weapons except 4, and one of them being crappy as hell. What, you want automatic rifles to do more damage against tanks? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1328	Posted - 2013.11.25 00:48:00 - [12] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? It encourages escalation game play. Current all AV does is reset the counter back to 0 v 0, Infy vs Infy Why do you not want to see matches with tanks rolling around fighting one another, dropship assault squads, etc? Because vehicles are not keeping with the status quo of infantry fighting. We keep telling them to go to Call of Duty if they don't want to deal with vehicles, but they stay anyway. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1328	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:33:00 - [13] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? But you can't destroy a tank using your own poorly fit tank because you're terrible, so of course you don't want a tank to be its own best counter. I think my best tank is pretty good. It can survive multiple people with AV while still being combat effective at the same time. The tank I was using when that ADS ambushed me in was a 400k tank that's good for healing other vehicles but does poorly in combat because it has no hardners or nitrous. Besides, even with Nitrous I would never have been able to evade the ADS, and I couldn't fire at him because he was directly above the turret and out of my tracking range/zone. I don't want HAVs to be the best or only counter because that's not balanced. (On another note, what makes a good HAV fit? Hardners? Nitrous? Active Scanners? Heat sink mods? Dmg control mods? if those make a tank good, then my tank is "awesome".) A brain makes a tank good. How is it not balanced? Explain yourself. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1328	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:34:00 - [14] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: You're telling me it should be a requirement? That if I don't squad with a compotent tanker I shouldn't bother? Or that if I don't squad with a compotent tanker I might as well run MLT and limit my losses? Is that what your saying? Are you expecting every team to always have a tanker? Even in public and factional contracts, where the roster is randomized? Where are you getting that from? I'm asking a simple question. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1328	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:36:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? It encourages escalation game play. Current all AV does is reset the counter back to 0 v 0, Infy vs Infy Why do you not want to see matches with tanks rolling around fighting one another, dropship assault squads, etc? You don't know how much I'd love to see this. Unfortunately, you also don't know how awful it would be if implemented with this game's current "I must stomp at all costs" playerbase rationale. You also don't understand how it wouldn't be fun when people start a battle just to find 7 tanks on the field while thier AV does little to no damage to them (even at PRO tier) and nobody on said player's team being a vehicle pilot. It sounds good on paper, but the actual implementation would be terrible. Just like the Commando class. Why must everything be based on such extremes? Throw two in a squad and 14 randoms against 3 squads, but must balance the game on a hypothetical such as what if one team has 3 tankers and the other has none? Oh, I know, make AV work better than a tank. You want to balance on hypotheticals and BS. I want to balance based on each team's tanks taking each other out. Chromosome railguns were perfect at that, but it's not fair that a tank was its own best counter, so infantry had them nerfed again. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1328	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:41:00 - [16] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: So make AV obsolete? K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? It encourages escalation game play. Current all AV does is reset the counter back to 0 v 0, Infy vs Infy Why do you not want to see matches with tanks rolling around fighting one another, dropship assault squads, etc? Escalation gameplay is all well and good, but where do youbgo from tanks, MTAC's, Gunships? What happens when you reach the top? When you reach the top of escalation gameplay it becomes all about who has the most top level stuff at any one time! What you want is Cyclic gameplay, where everything beats everything in the right circumstances! Where it becomes what is deployed where, not how much of itl Examples Escalation Gameplay: Sid Mierer's Civilisation Cyclic Gameplay Tom Clancy's EndWar So you only want it to stay at the level of PRO stomping, got it. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1328	Posted - 2013.11.25 01:52:00 - [17] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Why must everything be based on such extremes? Because as it is we have 10 Proto Stompers going vs 8 Newberries fresh out from the academy. This is the matchmaking we have. What makes you think that if tanks become FOTM it wont be like Atiim foresees....? Something can't be FOTM if only 7 of it can be on the map at any time. Easily have 16 Cal Logis with PRO scrambler rifles per team, but only 7 vehicles are allowed per team. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1329	Posted - 2013.11.25 02:27:00 - [18] - Quote wayrow1 wrote: locate tank stalk with level 5 wiyrkomi swarm launcher 3 damage mods 3000hp problem solved lol Easy mode Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1333	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:24:00 - [19] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Our Deepest Regret wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: A tank with full modules can take 6+ Proto swarms, id say they can hold their ground pretty well. So you're idea of a strong tank is one that requires you to reload once before it pops? So your idea is for a tank to be able to take MORE than 6 Missile volleys in a row. PROTO MISSILES designed to DESTROY vehicles? I mean ,if after the first volley the tank hasn't gotten the f away,he deserves to die , of course... Even at PROTO level,Infatry does not just STAND taking damage...you move, take cover.Why should it be different for tanks? How many times do we have to tell you how to destroy us? Stop trying to solo tanks. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1334	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:45:00 - [20] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: RA Drahcir wrote: 1.7 will break the game. already FGers only shoot at infantry ruining all tactics with OHKs, and 1/3 of team reverts to using thale sniper rifles breaking down to a completely unplayable match. But with the new vic changes, tanks will be even more invincible, AV will be strictly anti infantry. and this game will go to complete **. Give a universal respec to level the playing field. I will only AFK until my SP can make up for the ups CCP's special ed **** ace unfucks themselves. You don't squad with a competent tanker? Maybe he wasn't around for chromosome... well, for those of you who were not there for the greatest point Dust have ever been at (this is a bag of ass by comparison), in Chrome, tanks were good. Like, really good, and there were quite a few of us. Most infantry knew that their swarm launcher (most had mlt or std) would not cut it, nor would a forge gun, so infantry made friends with tanks and just about every squad had a tanker in it, rather than swarms or forges like we see since 1.0 dropped. Because of this, just about every battle consisted of 2-4 tanks/side smashing eachother with 5000 dps turrets from 600m away. The only time tanks actually went 30:0 was when the other team did not bring any tanks of their own, as nobody had good AV. This gave the idea that tanks were OP, when really, it was more like saying snipers are OP when all that is on the other team is shotguns. the balance was great, honestly. I spent most of my time shooting tanks and I loved it. But since most tankers left, i only have infantry and dropships to kill, so now tanks are seen more as pubstomping tools than anything else. I predict that tanks WILL run rampant for a month or so, but then you'll start seeing a lot of people speccing into tanks and suddenly, the balance will be restored. every battle will be dropships fighitng dropships, tanks fighting tanks, and AR scrubs shooting eachtoher with their aimbots. Yay! Harmony and Friendship has been restored! I've said multiple times that I don't see the problem with a damage modded Soma killing a Surya in 3 shots. Apparently infantry thinks they can do everybody else's role better, too. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1334	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:46:00 - [21] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Our Deepest Regret wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: A tank with full modules can take 6+ Proto swarms, id say they can hold their ground pretty well. So you're idea of a strong tank is one that requires you to reload once before it pops? So your idea is for a tank to be able to take MORE than 6 Missile volleys in a row. PROTO MISSILES designed to DESTROY vehicles? I mean ,if after the first volley the tank hasn't gotten the f away,he deserves to die , of course... Even at PROTO level,Infatry does not just STAND taking damage...you move, take cover.Why should it be different for tanks? How many times do we have to tell you how to destroy us? Stop trying to solo tanks. DOUBLE STANDARDS at its finest. What a joke LOL.... Stop trying to solo us. What's so hard to understand about that? And what double standards are you talking about? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1335	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:49:00 - [22] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Step 1, Get a HAV Step 2, Get a Railgun Step 3, Damage mods Step 4, Kill Tanks Step 5, ???? Step 6, Profit! I made this and posted it. Check it out. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1335	Posted - 2013.11.25 04:58:00 - [23] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Stop trying to solo us. What's so hard to understand about that? And what double standards are you talking about? You tankers trying to solo a whole enemy squad,in the open.... Tanks can solo squads? then aV should solo tanks. ITs called balance. What you want is: Tank can solo enemy teams Enemy teams need Strategy and teamwork to even SCARE the tank away. LOL @ your ideals . Whatever you say, KING CHECKMATE. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.