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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2013.11.25 00:20:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Step 1, Get a HAV
Step 2, Get a Railgun
Step 3, Damage mods
Step 4, Kill Tanks
Step 5, ????
Step 6, Profit!
So the best way to kill a tank. . . . .
is with a tank?
1) Isn't that overpowered?
2) What if the other team doesn't hav a HAV speacilist?
3) What do infantry the main protagonists of the game do while we wait for the demise of this HAV
I just hope if this is the way CCP wants to go with tanks, that they give infantry a decent form of transit and plenty of cover, because I sure as hell ain't gonna play manus peak, with tankers!
The pen is mightier than the sword
The gun is mightier than both
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2013.11.25 00:37:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:So make AV obsolete?
K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better?
I think the better question would be why would we have AV?
As a last ditch go out fighting kinda think before the big bad HAV disintegrates you?
It's like them giving you a starting pistol on round 40 of zombies
It's like them giving you ammo for the one gun you don't have
It's like them giving you 1 extra life in crash bandicoot after you wasted 3 lives getting to the box
Why don't we just remove AV from the game (after it should be useless), then a few months later remove infantry(they can't stand up to tanks, why have them), then another few months remove the lavs(no one is driving them) and then dropships(no one needs any transport)
oh look world of tanks
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The gun is mightier than both
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2013.11.25 00:53:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:So make AV obsolete?
K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? I think the better question would be why would we have AV? As a last ditch go out fighting kinda think before the big bad HAV disintegrates you? It's like them giving you a starting pistol on round 40 of zombies It's like them giving you ammo for the one gun you don't have It's like them giving you 1 extra life in crash bandicoot after you wasted 3 lives getting to the box Why don't we just remove AV from the game (after it should be useless), then a few months later remove infantry(they can't stand up to tanks, why have them), then another few months remove the lavs(no one is driving them) and then dropships(no one needs any transport) oh look world of tanks You don't squad with a competent tanker?
You're telling me it should be a requirement?
That if I don't squad with a compotent tanker I shouldn't bother? Or that if I don't squad with a compotent tanker I might as well run MLT and limit my losses?
Is that what your saying?
Are you expecting every team to always have a tanker? Even in public and factional contracts, where the roster is randomized?
The pen is mightier than the sword
The gun is mightier than both
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:02:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:So make AV obsolete?
K. I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter. Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? It encourages escalation game play. Current all AV does is reset the counter back to 0 v 0, Infy vs Infy Why do you not want to see matches with tanks rolling around fighting one another, dropship assault squads, etc?
Escalation gameplay is all well and good, but where do youbgo from tanks, MTAC's, Gunships?
What happens when you reach the top?
When you reach the top of escalation gameplay it becomes all about who has the most top level stuff at any one time!
What you want is Cyclic gameplay, where everything beats everything in the right circumstances! Where it becomes what is deployed where, not how much of itl
Examples
Escalation Gameplay: Sid Mierer's Civilisation
Cyclic Gameplay Tom Clancy's EndWar
The pen is mightier than the sword
The gun is mightier than both
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2013.11.25 06:38:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
I'll never understand the problem you all have with a tank being its own best counter.
Why would I use AV if HAVs are 300x better? It encourages escalation game play. Current all AV does is reset the counter back to 0 v 0, Infy vs Infy Why do you not want to see matches with tanks rolling around fighting one another, dropship assault squads, etc? Escalation gameplay is all well and good, but where do youbgo from tanks, MTAC's, Gunships? What happens when you reach the top? When you reach the top of escalation gameplay it becomes all about who has the most top level stuff at any one time! What you want is Cyclic gameplay, where everything beats everything in the right circumstances! Where it becomes what is deployed where, not how much of itl Examples Escalation Gameplay: Sid Mierer's Civilisation Cyclic Gameplay Tom Clancy's EndWar And where do vehicles get the benefits? Only ever on maps where the other team is too stupid not to field its OP AV, abuse roof tops, or poor tank rendering. I do not want to make infantry unusable they have their uses in entrenched positions, building, and to hack things, they should not be able to dominate in all things on all maps like they do now.
You see you miss the point, that because I don't except the same idea as you I want tanks to be easily stomped.
Actually read what I write, I have no problem mwith tanks being powerful, what I have a problem with is when you want Anti-Vehicle weaponry to be useless against them.
I don't have a problem with a tank taking down a squad if he networks with his own squad to bring them down. But tanks are niche weapons, just like the dropships, just like the Mass driver, just like the laser rifle.
It shouldn't be the answer to every situation. Being the only side to field one shouldn't guarantee victory, being the side to field the most shouldn't either.
Instead there should be points where tanks are the best solution to certain problems, not all of them!
The pen is mightier than the sword
The gun is mightier than both
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2013.11.25 07:22:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:
You see you miss the point, that because I don't except the same idea as you I want tanks to be easily stomped.
Actually read what I write, I have no problem mwith tanks being powerful, what I have a problem with is when you want Anti-Vehicle weaponry to be useless against them.
I don't have a problem with a tank taking down a squad if he networks with his own squad to bring them down. But tanks are niche weapons, just like the dropships, just like the Mass driver, just like the laser rifle.
It shouldn't be the answer to every situation. Being the only side to field one shouldn't guarantee victory, being the side to field the most shouldn't either.
Instead there should be points where tanks are the best solution to certain problems, not all of them!
And if you read what I write you will know that is not what I want. I want balance. You don't get balance when enemies can be doing more damage than large rail guns with more splash, all the while being invisible, same with swarms. That is not balance, The size of the armament we carry we should easily have the same range as you if not more, with better in built visual targeting equipment.
*sigh*
Did I say render shouldn't be fixed? No
Did I say you shouldn't have more range? No
Did I say a Tank should NOT be the onlt counter to a Tank? Yes
Tell me where you think I don't want balance, ACTUAL balance?
The pen is mightier than the sword
The gun is mightier than both
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2013.11.25 07:28:00 -
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Shokhann Echo wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:
You see you miss the point, that because I don't except the same idea as you I want tanks to be easily stomped.
Actually read what I write, I have no problem mwith tanks being powerful, what I have a problem with is when you want Anti-Vehicle weaponry to be useless against them.
I don't have a problem with a tank taking down a squad if he networks with his own squad to bring them down. But tanks are niche weapons, just like the dropships, just like the Mass driver, just like the laser rifle.
It shouldn't be the answer to every situation. Being the only side to field one shouldn't guarantee victory, being the side to field the most shouldn't either.
Instead there should be points where tanks are the best solution to certain problems, not all of them!
basically your one of the call of duty boys who views the grunt ar as the almighty god of your universe
Yes Void, I see you took the time to read!
If you can be bothered you might find my main doesn't use AR, but of course I disagree with you, so every assumption you make must be true right?
Hell lets apply your logic to both of us.
You go play World of Tanks
I'll go play COD,
I'll be back when I find it boring and . . . . . . . . .oh wait!
The pen is mightier than the sword
The gun is mightier than both
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2013.11.25 12:45:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:8 pages lol
Come on infantry its not that hard to kill a tank
Why do we keep having to tell you how to do it?
Because if infantry requires a tank to kill a tank that's not infantry
that's a tank, so in actual fact you are telling tankers how to kill tankers
which inforces the point that tanks are gonna end up op if we continuemdown this road
so really everytime you tell us its easy to kill a tank with a tank, you reinforce our point,
Your mind is now blown, see you when you get out
The pen is mightier than the sword
The gun is mightier than both
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