Answer: An Assault Dropsuit buff.

If we keep nerfing everything there will be even less of a reason to play this game.

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Neither, I'm tired of seeing this game nerfed to the standards of assaults with rifles. Take your stand fellow logibros! Don't give these casual bastards an inch!

I've promoted the fill all equip slots option before. Sure, you could just fill all the slots with compact hives, but that's fine, why force someone to equip a proto rep tool and needle or something? That would be too prohibitive. Equipping even a couple compact hives would force a compromise somewhere else and make the assault suit more attractive to someone not interested in filling the class' intended role, which is not a dirty word per se, just something that should be defined broadly. I see the intended role as providing some strategic/material support for the team other than firepower alone. What I find elegant about the solution is that it is simple to understand and program, and would have a limited impact on anyone who isn't using the suit as 100% killer bee. (Even that would still be possible, but not as good as assault)

That said, 2 thoughts:

- The class doesn't need a nerf, the assault maybe needs a buff and that is the preferred solution IMO. The gallente assault bonus is pretty stupid, no news there.

- The other ideas are terribad. I can see how a reduction to equipment CPU/PG use plus a reduction in the base stats might sound attractive but I see it as a more complicated way of accomplishing virtually the same thing as requiring the equip slots to be filled.

I have Logi mk.0 and I ALWAYS fill all of my equipment slots, only "slayer" logis would have a problem with this.

IMHO, though, **** those scrubs.

I really don't understand why CCP didn't use that approach and took the unbeaten path.

what i have to say is, how would you buff other suits without breaking them? no one wants nerfs, but buffing can be just as bad if too buffed

It's impossible to fill the fourth equipment slot on the mk.0 if you're using advanced weapon and grenades, enhanced armour plates, complex shield extenders, and three of proto injector, repair tool, nanohive, and uplink. So it would not just be a nerf to slayer logis but also to logis who like to use proto equipment rather than advanced.

Maybe it would be fair to make logis fill three slots (so mk.0 and gk.0 can leave one free if they like).

Putting the Assault back into Assault Dropsuits

As most of you know, there is always this ongoing debate about how Assault dropsuits are not as effective at frontline combat when compared to Logistics dropsuits fitted for a slayer role. While I think the gap is not as significant as it is made out to be on the Dust forums, I do recognize there is room for some improvements. Now many argue that the best way to address the perceived imbalance is to some how nerf the Logistics dropsuit. Things like reducing module slots, reducing CPU/PG, making equipment slots mandatory and limiting Logis to only sidearm weapons have all been suggested. However, I believe the best solution is to make Assault dropsuits better, by enhancing their offensive capability. This can be done by adjusting some simple game mechanics and rethinking role and race bonuses for both the Assault and Logistics classes.

Step one would be to dial back the 10% buff given to Light Weapons a few updates ago.

Step two would be to reduce the damage increase of Weapons Damage Modules. Militia/Basic to +2%, Advanced to +3% and Prototype to +5%. The stacking penalty for these modules would also be double their current rate.

Step three would be to change the current Assault bonus (+5% Shield Recharge Rate at each level) to something more fitting the slayer role. This would be a +2% Damage Increase to Light Weapons at each level. This way the Assault class become the more appealing choice for frontline combat by giving it the chance to regain that 10% damage buff at the highest level. Some adjustments to racial bonuses would also include:

• Amarr: 5% Reduction to laser weapon heat build-up (stays the same)
• Caldari: 3% Increase to max ammo (change from +2% efficacy to shield extenders)
• Gallente: 5% Reduction to weapon CPU/PG (change from -5% to hybrid weapon CPU/PG)
• Minmatar: 5% Increase to Light and Sidearm weapon clip size (change from +5% to sidearm clip size)

Step four would be to change some current Logistics racial bonuses. Logistics would keep the role bonus of +1 HP of Dropsuit Armor Repair, since there is generally no one to heal the healer and survivability is key in a support role. Changes to racial bonuses include:

• Amarr: 5% Reduction to active scanner CPU/PG (change from +5% efficacy to armor repair modules)
• Caldari: 5% Reduction to nano equipment CPU/PG (change from +5% efficacy to shield regulators)
• Gallente: 5% Reduction to repair tool CPU/PG (change from -5% to equipment CPU/PG)
• Minmatar: 5% Increase to hacking speed (stays the same)

Aside from the increase in damage output for Assault, the racial bonuses all now reflect important improvements in offensive weapon capability. Amarr remains the same with bonuses to Lasers and Scrambler Rifles; Caldari gets increased ammo, crucial for weapons like Mass Drivers and Swarm Launchers; Gallente gets significant CPU/PG savings from both weapons slots; and Minmatar gets larger magazines to offset its low HP.

The changes to Logistics don't take away from its durability with the inherent armor repair but do put more emphasis on support bonuses. The higher DPS potential of the Assault class, combined with the reduced effectiveness of Damage Modules, would make the Logistics suit a less capable platform for frontline combat.

Comments welcome

Wrong again, I use 4 pieces of PRO equipment, PRO weapon, ADV grenades and a mixture of PRO/ADV utility high and lows.

Situational awareness > Dual overtanking

What is people's obsession with trying to force everyone into their idea of what a logi suit should be. I'm a logibro, I'm carrying full equipment slots, but if someone wants to go about things the ass backwards way and turn a logi into an assault suit, fine, it doesn't affect me. If a heavy wants to strap on a sniper rifle or scouts a MD, whatever, that is the point of the suit design to leave room for flexibility.

BTW the limiting logis to sidearms only is the dumbest idea if only because CCP will either have to do respecs or hemmorrage logi players

Let's be honest here, the logistics suit needs SOME kind of nerf. I am not specifying ANYTHING before anyone flies off the handle on me, but I am interested to see what other people think the best choice of nerf would be.

I've already heard the following:

-Only a sidearm weapon.

-Reduced WPs for kills and greater WPs for support

-Must fill all equipment slots to be a valid fitting.

-50% reduced damage like the Logistics LAVs

-Change the current +1 armor repair per level to the current Gallente -5% equipment CPU/PG usage per level

I'm not saying you have to choose from my list, I'm just saying that I've already heard these ideas, and if you suggest them, please provide a reasonable argument.

The problem with logis is that they have too many high/low slots and extra PG/CPU compared to assaults. This makes logi dropsuits open for far too many applications outside their intended role (logistics).

It's actually pretty simple to solve all this without damage/weapon nerfs, required filled equipment slots and whatnot - make the base HP, slot layouts and PG/CPU of logi dropsuits similar to assault / standard dropsuits (no extra slots and extra PG/CPU, but with similar base HP of assaults), and give them a fixed role bonus of, say, 50% PG/CPU cost reduction to all equipment.

This way, you don't force a logi player to forfeit anything it currently has, but make him think twice if he wants to play other roles with logi dropsuit.

I like this idea because it tweaks the least amount of mechanics and I thought the logi racial should the gal logi bonus of equipment reduction.

What makes you think I was trying to guess your loadout?

Anyway, it is obviously possible to fit pretty much any equipment if you don't tank heavily. I'm just saying that the mk.0 should be viable versus capable opposition (=core locus spam).

Situational awareness+dual tanking>situational awareness+prayers.

Only change id make is to make logistics suits require all equipment slots to be filled

Only Sidearm,

I already use an SMG and flux grenades. AKA my pattented "Flux and spray" method. If you are a real Logi, You won't find yourself in open combat anyways.

The witch hunt continues... you people make me sick. Worst of all are the logibros trying to negotiate. They won't stop at one nerf, they never do. They won't be satisfied until we're as useless and paper thin as scouts. Assaults need some attention? Nerf logis! Such a great idea! By that logic, scouts should be complaining that the larger frames need a nerf.

This isn't about killer bees anymore- the CaLogis has been neutered. This is butthurt assaults that want their suit to do it all and nothing else. Don't fool yourselves, they won't rest until we're as useless as Chromosome again, mark my words.

The one thing we really need to change is peoples understanding of what a Logi is.

A Logi is not a weak medic class that should get roflstomped by any Assault player just because "lol Assault should be > rest".

A Logi is a medium frame suit which sacrifices base HP, speed, and its sidearm slot (except Amarr) in order to be able to use more equipment. And that's it.

If you are unable to utilise the advantages the Assault suit brings then that is entirely your problem.

I do use my Logi to support my team. But when I'm not supporting I'm helping my team by dropping enemies. I'm effective at it, because I learned how to use my suit effectively.

And when I'm using a Basic or Assault suit I make them to be way more effective at killing than my Logi ever could, because I learned to utilise its strengths and the weaknesses of other classes.

Logis are good. Assaults are good. But true greatness comes from the player, not the suit.