Forcing suits into a role is anti mmo? Have you ever played an MMO? ANY MMO.... ? Just one.. please say you've at least played one. Heck, it doesn't matter which one you've played, they're all the same, and they all have SPECIFIC ROLES and fail at everything else.

Either force them to fill equipment slots, or massively reduce pg/CPU/slots and give a hard role bonus of -x%to pg/CPU fitting costs of equipment. No more gallente logis running around with a duvolle, 3 complex dmg mods and ~900hp

Limit the stacking of modules.

More modules should mean more versatility, not more health, more damage potential, or whatever.

i.e. you can only fit one of each type of module, or modules have a larger stacking penalty than they do now.

I'm not saying you shouldn't have the option to stack modules, but if you do there should be a much larger downside if you use more than 1-2 (for instance, armor plates slowing you down a lot more, or shields having a longer delay/recharge)

Let's be honest here, the logistics suit needs SOME kind of nerf. -- snip even more BS --

Let's be honest here, the logistics suit needs SOME kind of nerf. I am not specifying ANYTHING before anyone flies off the handle on me, but I am interested to see what other people think the best choice of nerf would be.

I've already heard the following:

-Only a sidearm weapon.

-Reduced WPs for kills and greater WPs for support

-Must fill all equipment slots to be a valid fitting.

-50% reduced damage like the Logistics LAVs

-Change the current +1 armor repair per level to the current Gallente -5% equipment CPU/PG usage per level

I'm not saying you have to choose from my list, I'm just saying that I've already heard these ideas, and if you suggest them, please provide a reasonable argument.

Neither, I'm tired of seeing this game nerfed to the standards of assaults with rifles. Take your stand fellow logibros! Don't give these casual bastards an inch!

Either force them to fill equipment slots, or massively reduce pg/CPU/slots and give a hard role bonus of -x%to pg/CPU fitting costs of equipment. No more gallente logis running around with a duvolle, 3 complex dmg mods and ~900hp

The problem with logis is that they have too many high/low slots and extra PG/CPU compared to assaults. This makes logi dropsuits open for far too many applications outside their intended role (logistics).

It's actually pretty simple to solve all this without damage/weapon nerfs, required filled equipment slots and whatnot - make the base HP, slot layouts and PG/CPU of logi dropsuits similar to assault / standard dropsuits (no extra slots and extra PG/CPU, but with similar base HP of assaults), and give them a fixed role bonus of, say, 50% PG/CPU cost reduction to all equipment.

This way, you don't force a logi player to forfeit anything it currently has, but make him think twice if he wants to play other roles with logi dropsuit.

Or, you know, you just buff assault so its more viable in its role than logi.
Nerfing anything will effectively bring down average TTK, and thats the last thing anyone ever needs.

The one thing we really need to change is peoples understanding of what a Logi is.

A Logi is not a weak medic class that should get roflstomped by any Assault player just because "lol Assault should be > rest".

A Logi is a medium frame suit which sacrifices base HP, speed, and its sidearm slot (except Amarr) in order to be able to use more equipment. And that's it.

If you are unable to utilise the advantages the Assault suit brings then that is entirely your problem.

I do use my Logi to support my team. But when I'm not supporting I'm helping my team by dropping enemies. I'm effective at it, because I learned how to use my suit effectively.

And when I'm using a Basic or Assault suit I make them to be way more effective at killing than my Logi ever could, because I learned to utilise its strengths and the weaknesses of other classes.

Logis are good. Assaults are good. But true greatness comes from the player, not the suit.

Too short average TTK is a global problem, not just between assaults and logis. If you want to adjust TTK, simply add more base HP to everything. I don't think that logis should have less survivability. Just less "exploitability".

Only change id make is to make logistics suits require all equipment slots to be filled

That would be a massive nerf on the proto gallente and minmatar, when it's mostly the caldari that people complain about. So no.

Explain

Because the gallente and minmatar have four equipment slots at proto.

Because the gallente and minmatar have four equipment slots at proto.

If the logistics suit were to get a nerf, what would you prefer it be?