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skippy678
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:17:00 -
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Madrugar.Now
CPU-210
PG-2690
High Slot-2
Low slot-5
Madrugar.1.7
CPU-475
PG-2490
High Slots-2
Low slots-3
40% less low slots......less PG...Go ahead and try to make a Maddy fitting with the new numbers and see what comes out. All the numbers are on the vehicle blog...33% of swarms/AV dosent make up for your losses.
You guys keep posting untill the changes kick in. CCP has been bending you guys over for so long that you blow up when they throw a litte spit on you first...
Forge direct damage stays the same and your armour just dropped 40%(give or take) because of modules... Imagine 2 less hardeners? or 1 less plate and 1 less repper? comon...
I will wager that we see the tanker dudes that have been lighting up the forums with HAV power . crying like babies on the very same forum wich they publically displayed their inability to do do simple math within 48 hours of 1.7..
and i will link this post to every single one !
U.play.good?
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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:29:00 -
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k.
Btw, new forge stats haven't been posted yet. Get your facts straight before you post.
Never forget
Level 4 Forum Warrior
King of airborne swine.
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skippy678
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:33:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:k.
Btw, new forge stats haven't been posted yet. Get your facts straight before you post.
in the original post by logibro.....he says the Forge will remain "the same"
you need to get your facts straight...also i have seen a dozen posts about swarms and nades getting nerfed and not one single on about the forge getting nerfed.....do you think that everybody just left that out ...just cuz? everything in this thread originates from CCP's own words and numbers.
U.play.good?
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1368
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:34:00 -
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My eHP only dropped by about 550. Plus, the changes aren't coming until 1.7, and they said they aren't done buttfucking the Forges yet. They ran out of lube. They should be done with it shortly. Come at me 
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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skippy678
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:35:00 -
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your a forum warrior...I shouldnt need to tell you that logibro said they will be the same...you seen it too...just denial..
U.play.good?
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1368
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:35:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:k.
Btw, new forge stats haven't been posted yet. Get your facts straight before you post. in the original post by logibro.....he says the Forge will remain "the same" you need to get your facts straight...also i have seen a dozen posts about swarms and nades getting nerfed and not one single on about the forge getting nerfed.....do you think that everybody just left that out ...just cuz? everything in this thread originates from CCP's own words and numbers.
Learn to read bro cookie:
CCP Wolfman wrote:
we do also plan to look at the Forge Gun.
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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skippy678
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:36:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:My eHP only dropped by about 550. Plus, the changes aren't coming until 1.7, and they said they aren't done buttfucking the Forges yet. They ran out of lube. They should be done with it shortly. Come at me
Fair enough...you guys telling me that logibro didnt say that Forgs will stay the same? I will post the link if i have to..just own it that your stomping isnt quite all in the bank yet.
U.play.good?
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skippy678
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:38:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:My eHP only dropped by about 550. Plus, the changes aren't coming until 1.7, and they said they aren't done buttfucking the Forges yet. They ran out of lube. They should be done with it shortly. Come at me Fair enough...you guys telling me that logibro didnt say that Forgs will stay the same? I will post the link if i have to..just own it that your stomping isnt quite all in the bank yet.
they did...splash damage..this update..done.
all you gotta do is say that they never said that forge's would stay the same. do it and then ill post the link.
U.play.good?
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1368
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:39:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:skippy678 wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:My eHP only dropped by about 550. Plus, the changes aren't coming until 1.7, and they said they aren't done buttfucking the Forges yet. They ran out of lube. They should be done with it shortly. Come at me Fair enough...you guys telling me that logibro didnt say that Forgs will stay the same? I will post the link if i have to..just own it that your stomping isnt quite all in the bank yet. they did...splash damage..this update..done. all you gotta do is say that they never said that forge's would stay the same. do it and then ill post the link.
Splash doesn't kill vehicles dipshit. Wolfman was referring to it specifically in the sense of a AV weapon. Plus, it would be stupid to release it now, as it would be imbalanced towards the hulls we have now.
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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skippy678
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:41:00 -
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Godin..im all fair when it comes to numbers...but i know what my Maddy fitting looks like now and i know what it will look like with the new slot layout.
Post your new fitting where you only loose 500 eHP, within the new numbers...your lying to yourself.
U.play.good?
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skippy678
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:42:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:skippy678 wrote:skippy678 wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:My eHP only dropped by about 550. Plus, the changes aren't coming until 1.7, and they said they aren't done buttfucking the Forges yet. They ran out of lube. They should be done with it shortly. Come at me Fair enough...you guys telling me that logibro didnt say that Forgs will stay the same? I will post the link if i have to..just own it that your stomping isnt quite all in the bank yet. they did...splash damage..this update..done. all you gotta do is say that they never said that forge's would stay the same. do it and then ill post the link. Splash doesn't kill vehicles dipshit. Wolfman was referring to it specifically in the sense of a AV weapon. Plus, it would be stupid to release it now, as it would be imbalanced towards the hulls we have now.
did CCP say in a post that forges will remain the same? yes or no man....just answer
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1368
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:44:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:Godin..im all fair when it comes to numbers...but i know what my Maddy fitting looks like now and i know what it will look like with the new slot layout.
Post your new fitting where you only loose 500 eHP, within the new numbers...your lying to yourself.
2 hardeners, a repp, blaster, nitro. total eHP: 11.4k Past eHP: ~12k
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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skippy678
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:44:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:skippy678 wrote:skippy678 wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:My eHP only dropped by about 550. Plus, the changes aren't coming until 1.7, and they said they aren't done buttfucking the Forges yet. They ran out of lube. They should be done with it shortly. Come at me Fair enough...you guys telling me that logibro didnt say that Forgs will stay the same? I will post the link if i have to..just own it that your stomping isnt quite all in the bank yet. they did...splash damage..this update..done. all you gotta do is say that they never said that forge's would stay the same. do it and then ill post the link. Splash doesn't kill vehicles dipshit. Wolfman was referring to it specifically in the sense of a AV weapon. Plus, it would be stupid to release it now, as it would be imbalanced towards the hulls we have now.
did say that? I said that is the change they made....directly the assult forge will dust you 40% faster ...period.
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1368
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:45:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:skippy678 wrote:skippy678 wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:My eHP only dropped by about 550. Plus, the changes aren't coming until 1.7, and they said they aren't done buttfucking the Forges yet. They ran out of lube. They should be done with it shortly. Come at me Fair enough...you guys telling me that logibro didnt say that Forgs will stay the same? I will post the link if i have to..just own it that your stomping isnt quite all in the bank yet. they did...splash damage..this update..done. all you gotta do is say that they never said that forge's would stay the same. do it and then ill post the link. Splash doesn't kill vehicles dipshit. Wolfman was referring to it specifically in the sense of a AV weapon. Plus, it would be stupid to release it now, as it would be imbalanced towards the hulls we have now. did CCP say in a post that forges will remain the same? yes or no man....just answer
No. Wolfman said it himself just recently in the weapons post as I have shown you. It would make no ******* sense to keep them in their current state. They can be stupid at times, but they can't be that stupid......
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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skippy678
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:46:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:skippy678 wrote:Godin..im all fair when it comes to numbers...but i know what my Maddy fitting looks like now and i know what it will look like with the new slot layout.
Post your new fitting where you only loose 500 eHP, within the new numbers...your lying to yourself. 2 hardeners, a repp, blaster, nitro. total eHP: 11.4k Past eHP: ~12k
no plate? 4000+ 2 com.hard.=6200ishrepper?even com.maybe brings yu to 8000-9000-still off?
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1179
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:47:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:Madrugar.Now
CPU-210
PG-2690
High Slot-2
Low slot-5
Madrugar.1.7
CPU-475
PG-2490
High Slots-2
Low slots-3
40% less low slots......less PG...Go ahead and try to make a Maddy fitting with the new numbers and see what comes out. All the numbers are on the vehicle blog...33% of swarms/AV dosent make up for your losses.
You guys keep posting untill the changes kick in. CCP has been bending you guys over for so long that you blow up when they throw a litte spit on you first...
Forge direct damage stays the same and your armour just dropped 40%(give or take) because of modules... Imagine 2 less hardeners? or 1 less plate and 1 less repper? comon...
I will wager that we see the tanker dudes that have been lighting up the forums with HAV power . crying like babies on the very same forum wich they publically displayed their inability to do do simple math within 48 hours of 1.7..
and i will link this post to every single one !
Are you drunk?
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
537
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:48:00 -
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Nah our HAVs are gonna be OP.
I'm so glad that PRO swarm launchers now do as much as STD swarm launchers At with a 150m lock radii I'm sure that dropship pilots will be able to have lots of fun too knowing that swarms can't lock on if they fly high enough :D
And when ADV and PRO tanks come, I'm gonna jump for joy at how little damage PRO Swarm Launchers will do! We will be invincible.
Now everyone will need a tank to beat a tank, because that's how it should be.
:D
It's sad when your forum life is so bad....
...That you can't even mention the word "tank" without starting a $#!+storm
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1371
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:49:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Nah our HAVs are gonna be OP.
I'm so glad that PRO swarm launchers now do as much as STD swarm launchers At with a 150m lock radii I'm sure that dropship pilots will be able to have lots of fun too knowing that swarms can't lock on if they fly high enough :D
And when ADV and PRO tanks come, I'm gonna jump for joy at how little damage PRO Swarm Launchers will do! We will be invincible.
Now everyone will need a tank to beat a tank, because that's how it should be.
:D
Your HAV will still be ****, as you don't know how to drive at all.
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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skippy678
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108
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:51:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Nah our HAVs are gonna be OP.
I'm so glad that PRO swarm launchers now do as much as STD swarm launchers At with a 150m lock radii I'm sure that dropship pilots will be able to have lots of fun too knowing that swarms can't lock on if they fly high enough :D
And when ADV and PRO tanks come, I'm gonna jump for joy at how little damage PRO Swarm Launchers will do! We will be invincible.
Now everyone will need a tank to beat a tank, because that's how it should be.
:D
Do you even drive a tank??!?!?!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:51:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Nah our HAVs are gonna be OP.
I'm so glad that PRO swarm launchers now do as much as STD swarm launchers At with a 150m lock radii I'm sure that dropship pilots will be able to have lots of fun too knowing that swarms can't lock on if they fly high enough :D
And when ADV and PRO tanks come, I'm gonna jump for joy at how little damage PRO Swarm Launchers will do! We will be invincible.
Now everyone will need a tank to beat a tank, because that's how it should be.
:D Your HAV will still be ****, as you don't know how to drive at all.
Yep I ding into 1 rectangular box that didn't even render properly and now all of a sudden I don't know how to drive.
rofl @your logic
Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks.
AV should not do damage to us
-Tanker's Logic
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2232
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:53:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:Madrugar.Now
CPU-210
PG-2690
High Slot-2
Low slot-5
Madrugar.1.7
CPU-475
PG-2490
High Slots-2
Low slots-3
40% less low slots......less PG...Go ahead and try to make a Maddy fitting with the new numbers and see what comes out. All the numbers are on the vehicle blog...33% of swarms/AV dosent make up for your losses.
You guys keep posting untill the changes kick in. CCP has been bending you guys over for so long that you blow up when they throw a litte spit on you first...
Forge direct damage stays the same and your armour just dropped 40%(give or take) because of modules... Imagine 2 less hardeners? or 1 less plate and 1 less repper? comon...
I will wager that we see the tanker dudes that have been lighting up the forums with HAV power . crying like babies on the very same forum wich they publically displayed their inability to do do simple math within 48 hours of 1.7..
and i will link this post to every single one !
Swarms only do 200 dmg now,reduced from 330 and have range reduced from 400 to 175mts...and you dont see me crying...
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1371
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:53:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Nah our HAVs are gonna be OP.
I'm so glad that PRO swarm launchers now do as much as STD swarm launchers At with a 150m lock radii I'm sure that dropship pilots will be able to have lots of fun too knowing that swarms can't lock on if they fly high enough :D
And when ADV and PRO tanks come, I'm gonna jump for joy at how little damage PRO Swarm Launchers will do! We will be invincible.
Now everyone will need a tank to beat a tank, because that's how it should be.
:D Your HAV will still be ****, as you don't know how to drive at all. Yep I ding into 1 rectangular box that didn't even render properly and now all of a sudden I don't know how to drive. rofl @your logic
uh huh, whatever 
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1180
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:53:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:skippy678 wrote:skippy678 wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:My eHP only dropped by about 550. Plus, the changes aren't coming until 1.7, and they said they aren't done buttfucking the Forges yet. They ran out of lube. They should be done with it shortly. Come at me Fair enough...you guys telling me that logibro didnt say that Forgs will stay the same? I will post the link if i have to..just own it that your stomping isnt quite all in the bank yet. they did...splash damage..this update..done. all you gotta do is say that they never said that forge's would stay the same. do it and then ill post the link. Splash doesn't kill vehicles dipshit. Wolfman was referring to it specifically in the sense of a AV weapon. Plus, it would be stupid to release it now, as it would be imbalanced towards the hulls we have now.
I want a week with new AV numbers and current HAV stats. Just one week.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1371
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:54:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:skippy678 wrote:Madrugar.Now
CPU-210
PG-2690
High Slot-2
Low slot-5
Madrugar.1.7
CPU-475
PG-2490
High Slots-2
Low slots-3
40% less low slots......less PG...Go ahead and try to make a Maddy fitting with the new numbers and see what comes out. All the numbers are on the vehicle blog...33% of swarms/AV dosent make up for your losses.
You guys keep posting untill the changes kick in. CCP has been bending you guys over for so long that you blow up when they throw a litte spit on you first...
Forge direct damage stays the same and your armour just dropped 40%(give or take) because of modules... Imagine 2 less hardeners? or 1 less plate and 1 less repper? comon...
I will wager that we see the tanker dudes that have been lighting up the forums with HAV power . crying like babies on the very same forum wich they publically displayed their inability to do do simple math within 48 hours of 1.7..
and i will link this post to every single one !
Swarms only do 200 dmg now,reduced from 330 and have range reduced from 400 to 175mts...and you dont see me crying...
He's talking about how apparently Forges aren't getting changed, when we all knows damn well that they will.
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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skippy678
F.T.U.
108
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:54:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Nah our HAVs are gonna be OP.
I'm so glad that PRO swarm launchers now do as much as STD swarm launchers At with a 150m lock radii I'm sure that dropship pilots will be able to have lots of fun too knowing that swarms can't lock on if they fly high enough :D
And when ADV and PRO tanks come, I'm gonna jump for joy at how little damage PRO Swarm Launchers will do! We will be invincible.
Now everyone will need a tank to beat a tank, because that's how it should be.
:D Your HAV will still be ****, as you don't know how to drive at all.
Any smart person wouldnt. And honestly if you get a vehicle point SP reset and you put them back into it, then it will be your fault...CCP provided you with the numbers before hand...now its on you..
You guys know they said the werent gonna change the forge...they might have vaugley chnged the story(like alway) but you KNOW they said that
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skippy678
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:55:00 -
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give me a min finding posts is a *****.
U.play.good?
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1371
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:55:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:skippy678 wrote:skippy678 wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:My eHP only dropped by about 550. Plus, the changes aren't coming until 1.7, and they said they aren't done buttfucking the Forges yet. They ran out of lube. They should be done with it shortly. Come at me Fair enough...you guys telling me that logibro didnt say that Forgs will stay the same? I will post the link if i have to..just own it that your stomping isnt quite all in the bank yet. they did...splash damage..this update..done. all you gotta do is say that they never said that forge's would stay the same. do it and then ill post the link. Splash doesn't kill vehicles dipshit. Wolfman was referring to it specifically in the sense of a AV weapon. Plus, it would be stupid to release it now, as it would be imbalanced towards the hulls we have now. I want a week with new AV numbers and current HAV stats. Just one week.
We got 1 month left. Start saving ISK bro. Then, once the sun rises, all hell is breaking lose!
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
537
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:57:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Nah our HAVs are gonna be OP.
I'm so glad that PRO swarm launchers now do as much as STD swarm launchers At with a 150m lock radii I'm sure that dropship pilots will be able to have lots of fun too knowing that swarms can't lock on if they fly high enough :D
And when ADV and PRO tanks come, I'm gonna jump for joy at how little damage PRO Swarm Launchers will do! We will be invincible.
Now everyone will need a tank to beat a tank, because that's how it should be.
:D Your HAV will still be ****, as you don't know how to drive at all. Yep I ding into 1 rectangular box that didn't even render properly and now all of a sudden I don't know how to drive. rofl @your logic uh huh, whatever
Yep, coming from a guy who apparently can't survive an entire match in a tank, that's a real insult.
Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks.
AV should not do damage to us
-Tanker's Logic
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
537
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:59:00 -
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Oh look, tank scrubs saying HAVs are gonna be so OP that even the strongest of swarms won't do jack $#!t to them.
I can't wait for the next DUST.. I mean Tank 514 patch to happen
:D
Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks.
AV should not do damage to us
-Tanker's Logic
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1180
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:59:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:skippy678 wrote:Godin..im all fair when it comes to numbers...but i know what my Maddy fitting looks like now and i know what it will look like with the new slot layout.
Post your new fitting where you only loose 500 eHP, within the new numbers...your lying to yourself. 2 hardeners, a repp, blaster, nitro. total eHP: 11.4k Past eHP: ~12k no plate? 4000+ 2 com.hard.=6200ishrepper?even com.maybe brings yu to 8000-9000-still off?
Why put on a plate? It adds mass, which will slow down the tank, and you can't put on a second hardener, which is going to be absolutely essential to make a getaway.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
537
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:03:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:Atiim wrote:Nah our HAVs are gonna be OP.
I'm so glad that PRO swarm launchers now do as much as STD swarm launchers At with a 150m lock radii I'm sure that dropship pilots will be able to have lots of fun too knowing that swarms can't lock on if they fly high enough :D
And when ADV and PRO tanks come, I'm gonna jump for joy at how little damage PRO Swarm Launchers will do! We will be invincible.
Now everyone will need a tank to beat a tank, because that's how it should be.
:D Do you even drive a tank??!?!?!
Classed and filed as "Low Quality Bait"
Question has already been answered with video evidence.
Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks.
AV should not do damage to us
-Tanker's Logic
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skippy678
F.T.U.
108
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:04:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Nah our HAVs are gonna be OP.
I'm so glad that PRO swarm launchers now do as much as STD swarm launchers At with a 150m lock radii I'm sure that dropship pilots will be able to have lots of fun too knowing that swarms can't lock on if they fly high enough :D
And when ADV and PRO tanks come, I'm gonna jump for joy at how little damage PRO Swarm Launchers will do! We will be invincible.
Now everyone will need a tank to beat a tank, because that's how it should be.
:D Your HAV will still be ****, as you don't know how to drive at all.
I'm only level 3 tanker...but I have 20+million SP including level 5 swarms/nades/forge. I know a medium amount about tanking....but I know how to read simple numbers...and you cannot say by looking at the numbers that we "have" that you are OP.
You are loosing alot too, and if your hopeful thats good, but its clear that tanks are taking the same hit as swarms/nades. And to the moment there is no actual number or change to forges..anywhere but DEVS waivering on "looked at" "sameish" nthat means they are going to do nothing to them..if they were they woulda been on the same report as the Swarms! but they werent....1.7 is content locked right now...do you think they told you every number with regards to swarm/tank changes and just left out the forge changes so they can tell you at the last minuite? comon guys
these are legit arguments like yours...but i also didnt spend the last 2 weeks filling the forum with posts about how i am gonna be OP did i? you guys did...i have a legit argument here
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:06:00 -
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Atiim wrote:skippy678 wrote:Atiim wrote:Nah our HAVs are gonna be OP.
I'm so glad that PRO swarm launchers now do as much as STD swarm launchers At with a 150m lock radii I'm sure that dropship pilots will be able to have lots of fun too knowing that swarms can't lock on if they fly high enough :D
And when ADV and PRO tanks come, I'm gonna jump for joy at how little damage PRO Swarm Launchers will do! We will be invincible.
Now everyone will need a tank to beat a tank, because that's how it should be.
:D Do you even drive a tank??!?!?! Classed and filed as "Low Quality Bait" Question has already been answered with video evidence.
I would tell u that I would blow you up in game, but i know you dont drive a tank...and i dont like killing starter fits if i can avodi it.
U.play.good?
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Void Echo
Blades of Dust
2047
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:07:00 -
[34] - Quote
OP you really shouldn't have done this, I mean come on...
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Level 2 Forum Warrior
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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
4456
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:10:00 -
[35] - Quote
Void Echo wrote:OP you really shouldn't have done this, I mean come on...
I was thinking this initially, but this thread is too funny.
Never forget
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
537
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:14:00 -
[36] - Quote
skippy678 wrote:Atiim wrote:skippy678 wrote:Atiim wrote:Nah our HAVs are gonna be OP.
I'm so glad that PRO swarm launchers now do as much as STD swarm launchers At with a 150m lock radii I'm sure that dropship pilots will be able to have lots of fun too knowing that swarms can't lock on if they fly high enough :D
And when ADV and PRO tanks come, I'm gonna jump for joy at how little damage PRO Swarm Launchers will do! We will be invincible.
Now everyone will need a tank to beat a tank, because that's how it should be.
:D Do you even drive a tank??!?!?! Classed and filed as "Low Quality Bait" Question has already been answered with video evidence. I would tell u that I would blow you up in game, but i know you dont drive a tank...and i dont like killing starter fits if i can avodi it.
I only use starter fits in ambush
And you can watch me fail badly and almost destroy a dropship here
TBH though I'm surprised that Spkr and Void didn't say "yeah I gotta video of his tank". The f*** am I saying of course I'm not surprised.
I know you tankers will do anything to say "HTFU you aren't a tanker lukeoplast, go back to COD"
It's a shame really
Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks.
AV should not do damage to us
-Tanker's Logic
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1180
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:15:00 -
[37] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Oh look, tank scrubs saying HAVs are gonna be so OP that even the strongest of swarms won't do jack $#!t to them. I can't wait for the next DUST.. I mean Tank 514 patch to happen :D
And here you are, again, on your crusade against tanks.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1372
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:15:00 -
[38] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Nah our HAVs are gonna be OP.
I'm so glad that PRO swarm launchers now do as much as STD swarm launchers At with a 150m lock radii I'm sure that dropship pilots will be able to have lots of fun too knowing that swarms can't lock on if they fly high enough :D
And when ADV and PRO tanks come, I'm gonna jump for joy at how little damage PRO Swarm Launchers will do! We will be invincible.
Now everyone will need a tank to beat a tank, because that's how it should be.
:D Your HAV will still be ****, as you don't know how to drive at all. Yep I ding into 1 rectangular box that didn't even render properly and now all of a sudden I don't know how to drive. rofl @your logic uh huh, whatever Yep, coming from a guy who apparently can't survive an entire match in a tank, that's a real insult.
When I can't, I usually has more than 3 PROTO AV weapons on me, from places I can't hit. I've battled 4 HAV's at once and won. Get on my level.
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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skippy678
F.T.U.
108
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:15:00 -
[39] - Quote
Void Echo wrote:OP you really shouldn't have done this, I mean come on...
Honestly dude. I embrace change. I respect an honest opinion and real numbers. Tell me that there hasnt been posts from Godin here or Atim for 2 weeks about how they were gonna be OP..what maybe 10-15 between them? all the facts. not just the ones they wanna post.
thats all. this is the one post wher a new player can say hey maybe i can blow up a tank. We have to believe CCP or not...which is it? I have to say that vehicles have been getting the short end of the stick for a while fair enough.....but you dont fix it by giving them an advantage for a bit to make it even.
They are Balancing...and as long as I see the Tank Stomping threads I m gonna make my posts too.
Im already proto evrything that pos a tank...I cant get better or worse at it....i am as good as it gets. whatever happens happens.
but the truth matters guys.
U.play.good?
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skippy678
F.T.U.
108
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:17:00 -
[40] - Quote
Honestlly I am mostly just setting up my evidence for the "i told u so" thread planned for 48 hours after 1.7
U.play.good?
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1373
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:20:00 -
[41] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Oh look, tank scrubs saying HAVs are gonna be so OP that even the strongest of swarms won't do jack $#!t to them. I can't wait for the next DUST.. I mean Tank 514 patch to happen :D
Not Jack ****. They'll still scare me away, just not as bad as now.
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1373
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:20:00 -
[42] - Quote
skippy678 wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Nah our HAVs are gonna be OP.
I'm so glad that PRO swarm launchers now do as much as STD swarm launchers At with a 150m lock radii I'm sure that dropship pilots will be able to have lots of fun too knowing that swarms can't lock on if they fly high enough :D
And when ADV and PRO tanks come, I'm gonna jump for joy at how little damage PRO Swarm Launchers will do! We will be invincible.
Now everyone will need a tank to beat a tank, because that's how it should be.
:D Your HAV will still be ****, as you don't know how to drive at all. I'm only level 3 tanker...but I have 20+million SP including level 5 swarms/nades/forge. I know a medium amount about tanking....but I know how to read simple numbers...and you cannot say by looking at the numbers that we "have" that you are OP. You are loosing alot too, and if your hopeful thats good, but its clear that tanks are taking the same hit as swarms/nades. And to the moment there is no actual number or change to forges..anywhere but DEVS waivering on "looked at" "sameish" nthat means they are going to do nothing to them..if they were they woulda been on the same report as the Swarms! but they werent....1.7 is content locked right now...do you think they told you every number with regards to swarm/tank changes and just left out the forge changes so they can tell you at the last minuite? comon guys these are legit arguments like yours...but i also didnt spend the last 2 weeks filling the forum with posts about how i am gonna be OP did i? you guys did...i have a legit argument here
Maybe they are too busy to?
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
792
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:21:00 -
[43] - Quote
skippy678 wrote:Madrugar.Now
CPU-210
PG-2690
High Slot-2
Low slot-5
Madrugar.1.7
CPU-475
PG-2490
High Slots-2
Low slots-3
40% less low slots......less PG...Go ahead and try to make a Maddy fitting with the new numbers and see what comes out. All the numbers are on the vehicle blog...33% of swarms/AV dosent make up for your losses.
You guys keep posting untill the changes kick in. CCP has been bending you guys over for so long that you blow up when they throw a litte spit on you first...
Forge direct damage stays the same and your armour just dropped 40%(give or take) because of modules... Imagine 2 less hardeners? or 1 less plate and 1 less repper? comon...
I will wager that we see the tanker dudes that have been lighting up the forums with HAV power . crying like babies on the very same forum wich they publically displayed their inability to do do simple math within 48 hours of 1.7..
and i will link this post to every single one !
welp, modules get a buff in 1.7, madrugar will have 15k -20k ehp |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1373
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:22:00 -
[44] - Quote
skippy678 wrote:Honestlly I am mostly just setting up my evidence for the "i told u so" thread planned for 48 hours after 1.7
Okay. I honestly can't wait for 1.7. Scout and Assault suit, my new Maddy, and more.
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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skippy678
F.T.U.
108
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:22:00 -
[45] - Quote
surivability has a lot to do with the squad around you man. And i know some tankers that go all day without loosing a tank..go 25/0...make 3000 wp a match...if you think its fair to make these guys stronger? nobody does exet for the guy who is being greedy....Godin I am speaking about you and void echo with the above statement..you guys are the only people who i actually see in this thread that I recognize from the field as being good. therefore you understand that this is a balancing....they are trying to help junior tankers..and small vehicles...not help you guys stomp more...
U.play.good?
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skippy678
F.T.U.
108
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:24:00 -
[46] - Quote
Jack McReady wrote:skippy678 wrote:Madrugar.Now
CPU-210
PG-2690
High Slot-2
Low slot-5
Madrugar.1.7
CPU-475
PG-2490
High Slots-2
Low slots-3
40% less low slots......less PG...Go ahead and try to make a Maddy fitting with the new numbers and see what comes out. All the numbers are on the vehicle blog...33% of swarms/AV dosent make up for your losses.
You guys keep posting untill the changes kick in. CCP has been bending you guys over for so long that you blow up when they throw a litte spit on you first...
Forge direct damage stays the same and your armour just dropped 40%(give or take) because of modules... Imagine 2 less hardeners? or 1 less plate and 1 less repper? comon...
I will wager that we see the tanker dudes that have been lighting up the forums with HAV power . crying like babies on the very same forum wich they publically displayed their inability to do do simple math within 48 hours of 1.7..
and i will link this post to every single one ! welp, modules get a buff in 1.7, madrugar will have 15k -20k ehp
dude I am having a real convo about real numbers here.....your post is the only post wich is clearly lying....just go to 1.7 changes blog and come bck and delete your post.
U.play.good?
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Void Echo
Blades of Dust
2047
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:24:00 -
[47] - Quote
skippy678 wrote:Void Echo wrote:OP you really shouldn't have done this, I mean come on... Honestly dude. I embrace change. I respect an honest opinion and real numbers. Tell me that there hasnt been posts from Godin here or Atim for 2 weeks about how they were gonna be OP..what maybe 10-15 between them? all the facts. not just the ones they wanna post. thats all. this is the one post wher a new player can say hey maybe i can blow up a tank. We have to believe CCP or not...which is it? I have to say that vehicles have been getting the short end of the stick for a while fair enough.....but you dont fix it by giving them an advantage for a bit to make it even. They are Balancing...and as long as I see the Tank Stomping threads I m gonna make my posts too. Im already proto evrything that pos a tank...I cant get better or worse at it....i am as good as it gets. whatever happens happens. but the truth matters guys.
well, whatever gets you off.. I was just trying to warn you about the flames from an annoying troll and tankers that are staying in the game. but whatever
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Level 2 Forum Warrior
"In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
537
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:25:00 -
[48] - Quote
Godin Thekiller wrote:
When I can't, I usually has more than 3 PROTO AV weapons on me, from places I can't hit. I've battled 4 HAV's at once and won. Get on my level.
Yep if you solo 4 tanks simultaneously, they were all bad tankers who deserved death to begin with.
And when you can kill 3 LAVs trying to play NFS: Muder Taxi Edition with a boundless proxy and then take out a gunlogi with a CBR-112 and some EXO AV ndaes, while being ripped to shreds by duvolles you you can say get on my level.
'Till then you can just GTF back in the academy.
Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks.
AV should not do damage to us
-Tanker's Logic
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Void Echo
Blades of Dust
2047
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:26:00 -
[49] - Quote
skippy678 wrote:surivability has a lot to do with the squad around you man. And i know some tankers that go all day without loosing a tank..go 25/0...make 3000 wp a match...if you think its fair to make these guys stronger? nobody does exet for the guy who is being greedy....Godin I am speaking about you and void echo with the above statement..you guys are the only people who i actually see in this thread that I recognize from the field as being good. therefore you understand that this is a balancing....they are trying to help junior tankers..and small vehicles...not help you guys stomp more...
that's what I have been advocating for a year now, the new tankers and "juniors" need an incentive to continue with tanks, right now and for as long as I can remember, only the strongest of us can barely survive, everyone else gets annihilated.
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Level 2 Forum Warrior
"In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1181
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:27:00 -
[50] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Nah our HAVs are gonna be OP.
I'm so glad that PRO swarm launchers now do as much as STD swarm launchers At with a 150m lock radii I'm sure that dropship pilots will be able to have lots of fun too knowing that swarms can't lock on if they fly high enough :D
And when ADV and PRO tanks come, I'm gonna jump for joy at how little damage PRO Swarm Launchers will do! We will be invincible.
Now everyone will need a tank to beat a tank, because that's how it should be.
:D Your HAV will still be ****, as you don't know how to drive at all. Yep I ding into 1 rectangular box that didn't even render properly and now all of a sudden I don't know how to drive. rofl @your logic uh huh, whatever Yep, coming from a guy who apparently can't survive an entire match in a tank, that's a real insult.
You lost tanks to MLT missile launchers. Your point = invalid.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Void Echo
Blades of Dust
2047
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:27:00 -
[51] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
When I can't, I usually has more than 3 PROTO AV weapons on me, from places I can't hit. I've battled 4 HAV's at once and won. Get on my level.
Yep if you solo 4 tanks simultaneously, they were all bad tankers who deserved death to begin with. And when you can kill 3 LAVs trying to play NFS: Muder Taxi Edition with a boundless proxy and then take out a gunlogi with a CBR-112 and some EXO AV ndaes, while being ripped to shreds by duvolles you you can say get on my level. 'Till then you can just GTF back in the academy.
does PC or stacked pub matches count? because iv done that countless times lol.... I love my railgun
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Level 2 Forum Warrior
"In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
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Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
1124
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:28:00 -
[52] - Quote
skippy678 wrote:Godin..im all fair when it comes to numbers...but i know what my Maddy fitting looks like now and i know what it will look like with the new slot layout.
Post your new fitting where you only loose 500 eHP, within the new numbers...your lying to yourself.
All the modules are completely different, you know that right?
Please don't
GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
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skippy678
F.T.U.
108
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:28:00 -
[53] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
When I can't, I usually has more than 3 PROTO AV weapons on me, from places I can't hit. I've battled 4 HAV's at once and won. Get on my level.
Yep if you solo 4 tanks simultaneously, they were all bad tankers who deserved death to begin with. And when you can kill 3 LAVs trying to play NFS: Muder Taxi Edition with a boundless proxy and then take out a gunlogi with a CBR-112 and some EXO AV ndaes, while being ripped to shreds by duvolles you you can say get on my level. 'Till then you can just GTF back in the academy.
Wich server are you ATIM? what type of matches do you pla mostly? I would lve to know That i might get the chance to play you....I have my HD recorder ready..
U.play.good?
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skippy678
F.T.U.
108
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:30:00 -
[54] - Quote
Flix Keptick wrote:skippy678 wrote:Godin..im all fair when it comes to numbers...but i know what my Maddy fitting looks like now and i know what it will look like with the new slot layout.
Post your new fitting where you only loose 500 eHP, within the new numbers...your lying to yourself. All the modules are completely different, you know that right?
yes i have to CCP charts in an open window right now.
U.play.good?
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Void Echo
Blades of Dust
2047
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:30:00 -
[55] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Oh look, tank scrubs saying HAVs are gonna be so OP that even the strongest of swarms won't do jack $#!t to them. I can't wait for the next DUST.. I mean Tank 514 patch to happen :D
how is his post in any way saying that tanks are going to be OP? all he said was save our ISK... seriously your addicted to putting words in people's mouths.
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Level 2 Forum Warrior
"In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1373
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:31:00 -
[56] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
When I can't, I usually has more than 3 PROTO AV weapons on me, from places I can't hit. I've battled 4 HAV's at once and won. Get on my level.
Yep if you solo 4 tanks simultaneously, they were all bad tankers who deserved death to begin with. And when you can kill 3 LAVs trying to play NFS: Muder Taxi Edition with a boundless proxy and then take out a gunlogi with a CBR-112 and some EXO AV ndaes, while being ripped to shreds by duvolles you you can say get on my level. 'Till then you can just GTF back in the academy.
It was really 6, but I only battled a max of 4. It was 2 Sags, a Soma, and a Sica, and then the other 2 was Maddy's. I was in a Suyra. Going god mode. Anywys, tr y fighting 3 Gunnlogi's and a Maddy with sleek AV nades and a wiki swarm (no hives, no PE's or RE's), and this is while unknown snipers and a full sq. of assorted Logi's, Heavies, and Assaulters are hunting you down, all while in a Scout suit. I win
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
537
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:31:00 -
[57] - Quote
Spkr4theDead wrote:
You lost tanks to MLT missile launchers. Your point = invalid.
In the video?
I'm gonna go on a quick assumption and say that XT-1 Fragmented Missile Launchers are not MLT
Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks.
AV should not do damage to us
-Tanker's Logic
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Broonfondle Majikthies
Bannana Boat Corp
379
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:31:00 -
[58] - Quote
By the little information you seem to have gleamed you have basically said they're loosing 40% of slots but only 7.4% PG.
Also you haven't mentioned that active mods will be far more effective and most have no stacking penalties.
Hell, I'm willing to give it an honest try
"We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
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Void Echo
Blades of Dust
2047
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:32:00 -
[59] - Quote
skippy678 wrote:Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
When I can't, I usually has more than 3 PROTO AV weapons on me, from places I can't hit. I've battled 4 HAV's at once and won. Get on my level.
Yep if you solo 4 tanks simultaneously, they were all bad tankers who deserved death to begin with. And when you can kill 3 LAVs trying to play NFS: Muder Taxi Edition with a boundless proxy and then take out a gunlogi with a CBR-112 and some EXO AV ndaes, while being ripped to shreds by duvolles you you can say get on my level. 'Till then you can just GTF back in the academy. Wich server are you ATIM? what type of matches do you pla mostly? I would lve to know That i might get the chance to play you....I have my HD recorder ready..
um uploading a video as we speak, this time its going to work, il ink it somewhere.
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Level 2 Forum Warrior
"In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1373
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:32:00 -
[60] - Quote
Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:Oh look, tank scrubs saying HAVs are gonna be so OP that even the strongest of swarms won't do jack $#!t to them. I can't wait for the next DUST.. I mean Tank 514 patch to happen :D how is his post in any way saying that tanks are going to be OP? all he said was save our ISK... seriously your addicted to putting words in people's mouths.
Yup, save our ISK, because we're going to try as hard as possible to get every last inch of power out of these things, and show the scrubs what the best can do
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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Void Echo
Blades of Dust
2047
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:33:00 -
[61] - Quote
Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:By the little information you seem to have gleamed you have basically said they're loosing 33% of slots but only 7.4% PG.
Also you haven't mentioned that active mods will be far more effective and most have no stacking penalties.
Hell, I'm willing to give it an honest try
I have an alt im building up on passive SP for this, if I don't like it, il get a recpec in this profile.
Closed Beta Vet
Level 2 Forum Warrior
"In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
792
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:34:00 -
[62] - Quote
skippy678 wrote:Jack McReady wrote:skippy678 wrote:Madrugar.Now
CPU-210
PG-2690
High Slot-2
Low slot-5
Madrugar.1.7
CPU-475
PG-2490
High Slots-2
Low slots-3
40% less low slots......less PG...Go ahead and try to make a Maddy fitting with the new numbers and see what comes out. All the numbers are on the vehicle blog...33% of swarms/AV dosent make up for your losses.
You guys keep posting untill the changes kick in. CCP has been bending you guys over for so long that you blow up when they throw a litte spit on you first...
Forge direct damage stays the same and your armour just dropped 40%(give or take) because of modules... Imagine 2 less hardeners? or 1 less plate and 1 less repper? comon...
I will wager that we see the tanker dudes that have been lighting up the forums with HAV power . crying like babies on the very same forum wich they publically displayed their inability to do do simple math within 48 hours of 1.7..
and i will link this post to every single one ! welp, modules get a buff in 1.7, madrugar will have 15k -20k ehp dude I am having a real convo about real numbers here.....your post is the only post wich is clearly lying....just go to 1.7 changes blog and come bck and delete your post.
cool story bro...
everyone with basic math skills can look this up in the forum where the numbers are announced |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1373
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:34:00 -
[63] - Quote
Void Echo wrote:Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:By the little information you seem to have gleamed you have basically said they're loosing 33% of slots but only 7.4% PG.
Also you haven't mentioned that active mods will be far more effective and most have no stacking penalties.
Hell, I'm willing to give it an honest try I have an alt im building up on passive SP for this, if I don't like it, il get a recpec in this profile.
Smart. I'm still going to stick with them for some reason, although I will have Scouts and eventually either Logi's or Assaults skilled up.
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
1235
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:35:00 -
[64] - Quote
skippy678 wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:skippy678 wrote:Godin..im all fair when it comes to numbers...but i know what my Maddy fitting looks like now and i know what it will look like with the new slot layout.
Post your new fitting where you only loose 500 eHP, within the new numbers...your lying to yourself. All the modules are completely different, you know that right? yes i have to CCP charts in an open window right now.
but what you don't have is a full list of stats of all the new changes for av weaponry , the only real numbers that can be worked at the present time is tank on tank combat, until ccp releases the full stats for the av changes we are all just guessing , for example the swarms might get not only a damage and range nerf but also a fireing rate nerf with an increased clip size this would lower the dps but make for extended niggling of havs ..........but that's all just guesswork. all you can do as I said is work the tank on tank combat stats.
Its gone from suck .....to blow
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
537
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:35:00 -
[65] - Quote
Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
When I can't, I usually has more than 3 PROTO AV weapons on me, from places I can't hit. I've battled 4 HAV's at once and won. Get on my level.
Yep if you solo 4 tanks simultaneously, they were all bad tankers who deserved death to begin with. And when you can kill 3 LAVs trying to play NFS: Muder Taxi Edition with a boundless proxy and then take out a gunlogi with a CBR-112 and some EXO AV ndaes, while being ripped to shreds by duvolles you you can say get on my level. 'Till then you can just GTF back in the academy. It was really 6, but I only battled a max of 4. It was 2 Sags, a Soma, and a Sica, and then the other 2 was Maddy's. I was in a Suyra. Going god mode. Anywys, tr y fighting 3 Gunnlogi's and a Maddy with sleek AV nades and a wiki swarm (no hives, no PE's or RE's), and this is while unknown snipers and a full sq. of assorted Logi's, Heavies, and Assaulters are hunting you down, all while in a Scout suit. I win
Scout G/1 series nothing but 2 Lai Dais and people with scrambler rifles while a heavy with a boundless is spraying and praying.
Took out 2 madrugars and still lived to run away.
As I said, GTF back in the academy
Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks.
AV should not do damage to us
-Tanker's Logic
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1373
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:36:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:skippy678 wrote:Jack McReady wrote:skippy678 wrote:Madrugar.Now
CPU-210
PG-2690
High Slot-2
Low slot-5
Madrugar.1.7
CPU-475
PG-2490
High Slots-2
Low slots-3
40% less low slots......less PG...Go ahead and try to make a Maddy fitting with the new numbers and see what comes out. All the numbers are on the vehicle blog...33% of swarms/AV dosent make up for your losses.
You guys keep posting untill the changes kick in. CCP has been bending you guys over for so long that you blow up when they throw a litte spit on you first...
Forge direct damage stays the same and your armour just dropped 40%(give or take) because of modules... Imagine 2 less hardeners? or 1 less plate and 1 less repper? comon...
I will wager that we see the tanker dudes that have been lighting up the forums with HAV power . crying like babies on the very same forum wich they publically displayed their inability to do do simple math within 48 hours of 1.7..
and i will link this post to every single one ! welp, modules get a buff in 1.7, madrugar will have 15k -20k ehp dude I am having a real convo about real numbers here.....your post is the only post wich is clearly lying....just go to 1.7 changes blog and come bck and delete your post. cool story bro... if you had the basic ability to comprehend and math skills you would see that by looking into the announced changes in the forum...
At max you can get ~18k while being hit by a forge in a Maddy.
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1373
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:38:00 -
[67] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
When I can't, I usually has more than 3 PROTO AV weapons on me, from places I can't hit. I've battled 4 HAV's at once and won. Get on my level.
Yep if you solo 4 tanks simultaneously, they were all bad tankers who deserved death to begin with. And when you can kill 3 LAVs trying to play NFS: Muder Taxi Edition with a boundless proxy and then take out a gunlogi with a CBR-112 and some EXO AV ndaes, while being ripped to shreds by duvolles you you can say get on my level. 'Till then you can just GTF back in the academy. It was really 6, but I only battled a max of 4. It was 2 Sags, a Soma, and a Sica, and then the other 2 was Maddy's. I was in a Suyra. Going god mode. Anywys, tr y fighting 3 Gunnlogi's and a Maddy with sleek AV nades and a wiki swarm (no hives, no PE's or RE's), and this is while unknown snipers and a full sq. of assorted Logi's, Heavies, and Assaulters are hunting you down, all while in a Scout suit. I win Scout G/1 series nothing but 2 Lai Dais and people with scrambler rifles while a heavy with a boundless is spraying and praying. Took out 2 madrugars and still lived to run away. As I said, GTF back in the academy
Someone weakened both of those HAV's for you. doesn't count. Try again.
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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Void Echo
Blades of Dust
2047
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:39:00 -
[68] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
When I can't, I usually has more than 3 PROTO AV weapons on me, from places I can't hit. I've battled 4 HAV's at once and won. Get on my level.
Yep if you solo 4 tanks simultaneously, they were all bad tankers who deserved death to begin with. And when you can kill 3 LAVs trying to play NFS: Muder Taxi Edition with a boundless proxy and then take out a gunlogi with a CBR-112 and some EXO AV ndaes, while being ripped to shreds by duvolles you you can say get on my level. 'Till then you can just GTF back in the academy. It was really 6, but I only battled a max of 4. It was 2 Sags, a Soma, and a Sica, and then the other 2 was Maddy's. I was in a Suyra. Going god mode. Anywys, tr y fighting 3 Gunnlogi's and a Maddy with sleek AV nades and a wiki swarm (no hives, no PE's or RE's), and this is while unknown snipers and a full sq. of assorted Logi's, Heavies, and Assaulters are hunting you down, all while in a Scout suit. I win Scout G/1 series nothing but 2 Lai Dais and people with scrambler rifles while a heavy with a boundless is spraying and praying. Took out 2 madrugars and still lived to run away. As I said, GTF back in the academy
and that is why we say balance doesn't exist. because any ****** can do this.
Closed Beta Vet
Level 2 Forum Warrior
"In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
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skippy678
F.T.U.
108
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:39:00 -
[69] - Quote
Void Echo wrote:skippy678 wrote:surivability has a lot to do with the squad around you man. And i know some tankers that go all day without loosing a tank..go 25/0...make 3000 wp a match...if you think its fair to make these guys stronger? nobody does exet for the guy who is being greedy....Godin I am speaking about you and void echo with the above statement..you guys are the only people who i actually see in this thread that I recognize from the field as being good. therefore you understand that this is a balancing....they are trying to help junior tankers..and small vehicles...not help you guys stomp more... that's what I have been advocating for a year now, the new tankers and "juniors" need an incentive to continue with tanks, right now and for as long as I can remember, only the strongest of us can barely survive, everyone else gets annihilated.
but honestly Void....you cant tell me that your tank as it stands needs a buff..i have played you before and i dont think you do dude....lotsa people who have played you would agree.
its just like drosuits...you gotta do your time dying...like i did....I was in beta 2 man and im making legit statements.
U.play.good?
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
537
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:40:00 -
[70] - Quote
Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Oh look, tank scrubs saying HAVs are gonna be so OP that even the strongest of swarms won't do jack $#!t to them. I can't wait for the next DUST.. I mean Tank 514 patch to happen :D Not Jack ****. They'll still scare me away, just not as bad as now.
Why would they scare me away?
I already know that they wouldn't be able to kill me, so why wouldn't I go after them?
Here's a tip: When someone knows that what you have can only scratch them, they won't be scared.
Unless you are so butthurt that the sound of swarm launchers make you go cry and crap yourself in a corner.
Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks.
AV should not do damage to us
-Tanker's Logic
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skippy678
F.T.U.
108
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:42:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
When I can't, I usually has more than 3 PROTO AV weapons on me, from places I can't hit. I've battled 4 HAV's at once and won. Get on my level.
Yep if you solo 4 tanks simultaneously, they were all bad tankers who deserved death to begin with. And when you can kill 3 LAVs trying to play NFS: Muder Taxi Edition with a boundless proxy and then take out a gunlogi with a CBR-112 and some EXO AV ndaes, while being ripped to shreds by duvolles you you can say get on my level. 'Till then you can just GTF back in the academy. It was really 6, but I only battled a max of 4. It was 2 Sags, a Soma, and a Sica, and then the other 2 was Maddy's. I was in a Suyra. Going god mode. Anywys, tr y fighting 3 Gunnlogi's and a Maddy with sleek AV nades and a wiki swarm (no hives, no PE's or RE's), and this is while unknown snipers and a full sq. of assorted Logi's, Heavies, and Assaulters are hunting you down, all while in a Scout suit. I win Scout G/1 series nothing but 2 Lai Dais and people with scrambler rifles while a heavy with a boundless is spraying and praying. Took out 2 madrugars and still lived to run away. As I said, GTF back in the academy and that is why we say balance doesn't exist. because any ****** can do this.
however me with my proto swarms and 3 complex damage mods profieciency 5 dosent even cause you to really move away....I have spent maybe 3 +million SP just to get that setup and againt you its a waste anyway...
U.play.good?
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
537
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:42:00 -
[72] - Quote
Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
When I can't, I usually has more than 3 PROTO AV weapons on me, from places I can't hit. I've battled 4 HAV's at once and won. Get on my level.
Yep if you solo 4 tanks simultaneously, they were all bad tankers who deserved death to begin with. And when you can kill 3 LAVs trying to play NFS: Muder Taxi Edition with a boundless proxy and then take out a gunlogi with a CBR-112 and some EXO AV ndaes, while being ripped to shreds by duvolles you you can say get on my level. 'Till then you can just GTF back in the academy. It was really 6, but I only battled a max of 4. It was 2 Sags, a Soma, and a Sica, and then the other 2 was Maddy's. I was in a Suyra. Going god mode. Anywys, tr y fighting 3 Gunnlogi's and a Maddy with sleek AV nades and a wiki swarm (no hives, no PE's or RE's), and this is while unknown snipers and a full sq. of assorted Logi's, Heavies, and Assaulters are hunting you down, all while in a Scout suit. I win Scout G/1 series nothing but 2 Lai Dais and people with scrambler rifles while a heavy with a boundless is spraying and praying. Took out 2 madrugars and still lived to run away. As I said, GTF back in the academy and that is why we say balance doesn't exist. because any ****** can do this.
Yep, because my skill had absolutely nothing to do with that, and anyone within 2 minutes of play time would be able to do this.
This is so common that it happens all the time
Nice logic dude
Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks.
AV should not do damage to us
-Tanker's Logic
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Void Echo
Blades of Dust
2047
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:44:00 -
[73] - Quote
skippy678 wrote:Void Echo wrote:skippy678 wrote:surivability has a lot to do with the squad around you man. And i know some tankers that go all day without loosing a tank..go 25/0...make 3000 wp a match...if you think its fair to make these guys stronger? nobody does exet for the guy who is being greedy....Godin I am speaking about you and void echo with the above statement..you guys are the only people who i actually see in this thread that I recognize from the field as being good. therefore you understand that this is a balancing....they are trying to help junior tankers..and small vehicles...not help you guys stomp more... that's what I have been advocating for a year now, the new tankers and "juniors" need an incentive to continue with tanks, right now and for as long as I can remember, only the strongest of us can barely survive, everyone else gets annihilated. but honestly Void....you cant tell me that your tank as it stands needs a buff..i have played you before and i dont think you do dude....lotsa people who have played you would agree. its just like drosuits...you gotta do your time dying...like i did....I was in beta 2 man and im making legit statements.
its different when your on the subject of the new tankers coming in... how are we going to keep the class alive when all they do is get destroyed by people like atiim after the 1st 5 seconds they deploy.. basically never allowing them to actually enjoy the tanker class... I don't care about my own tank anymore, I just want the tanker class to survive, and its not going to survive unless the newbies get a reason to stick with the class, and that reason is NOT getting blown up the 1st 5 seconds.
Closed Beta Vet
Level 2 Forum Warrior
"In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
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Void Echo
Blades of Dust
2047
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:46:00 -
[74] - Quote
skippy678 wrote:
however me with my proto swarms and 3 complex damage mods profieciency 5 dosent even cause you to really move away....I have spent maybe 3 +million SP just to get that setup and againt you its a waste anyway...
yeah well I spent 10+mil building up my tanks, of course im not going to go down easily.
Closed Beta Vet
Level 2 Forum Warrior
"In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
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skippy678
F.T.U.
108
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:46:00 -
[75] - Quote
Void Echo wrote:skippy678 wrote:Void Echo wrote:skippy678 wrote:surivability has a lot to do with the squad around you man. And i know some tankers that go all day without loosing a tank..go 25/0...make 3000 wp a match...if you think its fair to make these guys stronger? nobody does exet for the guy who is being greedy....Godin I am speaking about you and void echo with the above statement..you guys are the only people who i actually see in this thread that I recognize from the field as being good. therefore you understand that this is a balancing....they are trying to help junior tankers..and small vehicles...not help you guys stomp more... that's what I have been advocating for a year now, the new tankers and "juniors" need an incentive to continue with tanks, right now and for as long as I can remember, only the strongest of us can barely survive, everyone else gets annihilated. but honestly Void....you cant tell me that your tank as it stands needs a buff..i have played you before and i dont think you do dude....lotsa people who have played you would agree. its just like drosuits...you gotta do your time dying...like i did....I was in beta 2 man and im making legit statements. its different when your on the subject of the new tankers coming in... how are we going to keep the class alive when all they do is get destroyed by people like atiim after the 1st 5 seconds they deploy.. basically never allowing them to actually enjoy the tanker class... I don't care about my own tank anymore, I just want the tanker class to survive, and its not going to survive unless the newbies get a reason to stick with the class, and that reason is NOT getting blown up the 1st 5 seconds.
that is a fair statement.
U.play.good?
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Void Echo
Blades of Dust
2047
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:47:00 -
[76] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Yep, because my skill had absolutely nothing to do with that, and anyone within 2 minutes of play time would be able to do this. This is so common that it happens all the time Nice logic dude
I should say the same things to you, according to your signature.. you ignored every single thing about balance we have ever argued over.
Closed Beta Vet
Level 2 Forum Warrior
"In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
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skippy678
F.T.U.
108
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:51:00 -
[77] - Quote
Void Echo wrote:skippy678 wrote:
however me with my proto swarms and 3 complex damage mods profieciency 5 dosent even cause you to really move away....I have spent maybe 3 +million SP just to get that setup and againt you its a waste anyway...
yeah well I spent 10+mil building up my tanks, of course im not going to go down easily.
but that said...they want balance...and making you 10+million guys tougher is not gonna work...after a couple weeks of crunching numbers and seeing what pro tankers like you are doing they are gonna nerf it again...we want the right balance not back and forth..
U.play.good?
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skippy678
F.T.U.
108
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:57:00 -
[78] - Quote
Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:Yep, because my skill had absolutely nothing to do with that, and anyone within 2 minutes of play time would be able to do this. This is so common that it happens all the time Nice logic dude I should say the same things to you, according to your signature.. you ignored every single thing about balance we have ever argued over.
And yu know what I am talking about void...your on the forums you have seen the "i cant wait to stomp" posts from Godin and ATIM...honestly I just want this game to be balanced...the right way
these guys are builing up something way out of proportion...thats what this post was originally about....just a posting of the actual state of vehicle/infantry balance...I was here when tanks REALLY stomped and that was no fun either...i just want CCP to get it right...just like you...no matter what i know i cannot be any better equip to destroy tanks/vehicles than i am now...and ill keep doin my best.
do u feel that there is a legitamint need for the tank stomping threads or do you feel that perhaps they are being inflted a little..this is for void..
U.play.good?
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knight of 6
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
540
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:59:00 -
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Op why you do dis?
Good tankers have known it was a nerf for a while. Looking at tue number s we wount be able to proto fit std hulls anymore either. So now we need adv and proto tanks as well
"God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon
Ko6, scout, tanker.
CLOSED BETA VET
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
540
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:00:00 -
[80] - Quote
Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
When I can't, I usually has more than 3 PROTO AV weapons on me, from places I can't hit. I've battled 4 HAV's at once and won. Get on my level.
Yep if you solo 4 tanks simultaneously, they were all bad tankers who deserved death to begin with. And when you can kill 3 LAVs trying to play NFS: Muder Taxi Edition with a boundless proxy and then take out a gunlogi with a CBR-112 and some EXO AV ndaes, while being ripped to shreds by duvolles you you can say get on my level. 'Till then you can just GTF back in the academy. It was really 6, but I only battled a max of 4. It was 2 Sags, a Soma, and a Sica, and then the other 2 was Maddy's. I was in a Suyra. Going god mode. Anywys, tr y fighting 3 Gunnlogi's and a Maddy with sleek AV nades and a wiki swarm (no hives, no PE's or RE's), and this is while unknown snipers and a full sq. of assorted Logi's, Heavies, and Assaulters are hunting you down, all while in a Scout suit. I win Scout G/1 series nothing but 2 Lai Dais and people with scrambler rifles while a heavy with a boundless is spraying and praying. Took out 2 madrugars and still lived to run away. As I said, GTF back in the academy Someone weakened both of those HAV's for you. doesn't count. Try again.
Nope. They were relying on base HP (I assume their hardners were down)
As for the second one. I was the someone who weakened it. Try again
Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks.
AV should not do damage to us
-Tanker's Logic
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skippy678
F.T.U.
108
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:01:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:By the little information you seem to have gleamed you have basically said they're loosing 33% of slots but only 7.4% PG.
Also you haven't mentioned that active mods will be far more effective and most have no stacking penalties.
Hell, I'm willing to give it an honest try I have an alt im building up on passive SP for this, if I don't like it, il get a recpec in this profile.
like minded..my alt has 4 mill just into vehicles, i use it to test the changes i make on my main first.
U.play.good?
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Long Evity
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
6086
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:01:00 -
[82] - Quote
Dear tankers and DS pilots:
I still scream in my sleep, "NERF THE MISSILES PLEASE GOD!"
Those were dark days in closed beta.
I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
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skippy678
F.T.U.
108
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:03:00 -
[83] - Quote
Void Echo wrote:Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:By the little information you seem to have gleamed you have basically said they're loosing 33% of slots but only 7.4% PG.
Also you haven't mentioned that active mods will be far more effective and most have no stacking penalties.
Hell, I'm willing to give it an honest try I have an alt im building up on passive SP for this, if I don't like it, il get a recpec in this profile.
hardners stil have a stacking penalty on the graph..
U.play.good?
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
540
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:04:00 -
[84] - Quote
Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:Yep, because my skill had absolutely nothing to do with that, and anyone within 2 minutes of play time would be able to do this. This is so common that it happens all the time Nice logic dude I should say the same things to you, according to your signature.. you ignored every single thing about balance we have ever argued over.
My signature is based of the fact that 90% of people on this forum who agrued against me said that tanks should be the only counter to tanks.
Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks.
AV should not do damage to us
-Tanker's Logic
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Void Echo
Blades of Dust
2052
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:04:00 -
[85] - Quote
skippy678 wrote:Void Echo wrote:skippy678 wrote:
however me with my proto swarms and 3 complex damage mods profieciency 5 dosent even cause you to really move away....I have spent maybe 3 +million SP just to get that setup and againt you its a waste anyway...
yeah well I spent 10+mil building up my tanks, of course im not going to go down easily. but that said...they want balance...and making you 10+million guys tougher is not gonna work...after a couple weeks of crunching numbers and seeing what pro tankers like you are doing they are gonna nerf it again...we want the right balance not back and forth..
1. then why do we have personal investment?
2. why is this game different from every single fps game out there?
3. why does Dust exist of personal investment shouldn't be a factor in anything?
Closed Beta Vet
Level 2 Forum Warrior
"In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
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skippy678
F.T.U.
108
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:06:00 -
[86] - Quote
knight of 6 wrote:Op why you do dis?
Good tankers have known it was a nerf for a while. Looking at tue number s we wount be able to proto fit std hulls anymore either. So now we need adv and proto tanks as well
honestly the reason i did this is because of all the tank stomp threads i have seen lately...they are misinforming the players.
U.play.good?
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Void Echo
Blades of Dust
2052
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:06:00 -
[87] - Quote
skippy678 wrote:Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:Yep, because my skill had absolutely nothing to do with that, and anyone within 2 minutes of play time would be able to do this. This is so common that it happens all the time Nice logic dude I should say the same things to you, according to your signature.. you ignored every single thing about balance we have ever argued over. And yu know what I am talking about void...your on the forums you have seen the "i cant wait to stomp" posts from Godin and ATIM...honestly I just want this game to be balanced...the right way these guys are builing up something way out of proportion...thats what this post was originally about....just a posting of the actual state of vehicle/infantry balance...I was here when tanks REALLY stomped and that was no fun either...i just want CCP to get it right...just like you...no matter what i know i cannot be any better equip to destroy tanks/vehicles than i am now...and ill keep doin my best. do u feel that there is a legitamint need for the tank stomping threads or do you feel that perhaps they are being inflted a little..this is for void..
I really don't care, iv stepped down from the argument, especially since there are no players here that aren't biased.
Closed Beta Vet
Level 2 Forum Warrior
"In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
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skippy678
F.T.U.
108
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:09:00 -
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fair enough Void. Im going to play now......North american servers..skirmish or dom...see you soon ATIM i have my recorder ready...thanks for giving me a legit tank sided argument Void its the first one i had in 2 weeks.
U.play.good?
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Void Echo
Blades of Dust
2052
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:09:00 -
[89] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:Yep, because my skill had absolutely nothing to do with that, and anyone within 2 minutes of play time would be able to do this. This is so common that it happens all the time Nice logic dude I should say the same things to you, according to your signature.. you ignored every single thing about balance we have ever argued over. My signature is based of the fact that 90% of people on this forum who agrued against me said that tanks should be the only counter to tanks.
none of s have ever said tanks should be the only counter to itself, tanks are the logical biggest counter to tanks, av is just a side investment of people want to kill vehicles without skilling into vehicles themselves..
none of us have ever said Quote:only vehicles should counter vehicles, AV should not exist. once again your putting words in peoples mouth...
if AV was the biggest hard counter to tanks, then why would be skill up into tanks? for the tank fights? those wont exist if av is better than vehicles at vehicle destruction. that's the way it is now and tanks are a joke.
Closed Beta Vet
Level 2 Forum Warrior
"In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
540
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:13:00 -
[90] - Quote
Void Echo wrote:
its different when your on the subject of the new tankers coming in... how are we going to keep the class alive when all they do is get destroyed by people like atiim after the 1st 5 seconds they deploy.. basically never allowing them to actually enjoy the tanker class... I don't care about my own tank anymore, I just want the tanker class to survive, and its not going to survive unless the newbies get a reason to stick with the class, and that reason is NOT getting blown up the 1st 5 seconds.
And you think AV will survive as a class? When STD swarms only doesn't 800 damage, no new player will want to use them
And you say this as If all I want to do is to be able to kill everything I see in sight with the mere push of a button.
I want balance just as much as the next guy, only problem is the way CCP is going about "balance" is going to make AV the hardest, most useless, and unused class in the entire game.
If you can come up with better ideas, then I'll jump on the "balance" train. But from the majority of what tankers are saying will lead to a complete inbalance between Tanks and AV, causing much of the new playerbase to shift to tanking and not even thinking about AV.
Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks.
AV should not do damage to us
-Tanker's Logic
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1376
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:18:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Oh look, tank scrubs saying HAVs are gonna be so OP that even the strongest of swarms won't do jack $#!t to them. I can't wait for the next DUST.. I mean Tank 514 patch to happen :D Not Jack ****. They'll still scare me away, just not as bad as now. Why would they scare me away? I already know that they wouldn't be able to kill me, so why wouldn't I go after them? Here's a tip: When someone knows that what you have can only scratch them, they won't be scared. Unless you are so butthurt that the sound of swarm launchers make you go cry and crap yourself in a corner.
Once that hardener goes off, you're ******. That's why dipshit. You know absolutely nothing about piloting, do you?
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Void Echo
Blades of Dust
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:19:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Void Echo wrote:
its different when your on the subject of the new tankers coming in... how are we going to keep the class alive when all they do is get destroyed by people like atiim after the 1st 5 seconds they deploy.. basically never allowing them to actually enjoy the tanker class... I don't care about my own tank anymore, I just want the tanker class to survive, and its not going to survive unless the newbies get a reason to stick with the class, and that reason is NOT getting blown up the 1st 5 seconds.
And you think AV will survive as a class? When STD swarms only doesn't 800 damage, no new player will want to use them And you say this as If all I want to do is to be able to kill everything I see in sight with the mere push of a button. I want balance just as much as the next guy, only problem is the way CCP is going about "balance" is going to make AV the hardest, most useless, and unused class in the entire game. If you can come up with better ideas, then I'll jump on the "balance" train. But from the majority of what tankers are saying will lead to a complete inbalance between Tanks and AV, causing much of the new playerbase to shift to tanking and not even thinking about AV.
ask around, people will tell you that AV is too easy and not everyone wants it to be a class that every ****** can use, people want fun, people don't want 2 joke classes.
with tanks being buffed (not going to happen) and av being nerfed (not going to happen) balance will finally exist, tanks will be fun to rol with for once, and av will actually have a challenge other than trying to figure out which tower to get on.
and what do you call this situation were in right now? balance? no its not balanced, in fact, balance doesn't exist here, av is far far more powerful than tanks at everything involving vehicles.... that shouldn't be the situation.
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Void Echo
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:22:00 -
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wait.... why am I even arguing with you again? your too biased to accept reality and see logic... whatever
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The legend345
Reis Personal Driver
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:24:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:Madrugar.Now
CPU-210
PG-2690
High Slot-2
Low slot-5
Madrugar.1.7
CPU-475
PG-2490
High Slots-2
Low slots-3
40% less low slots......less PG...Go ahead and try to make a Maddy fitting with the new numbers and see what comes out. All the numbers are on the vehicle blog...33% of swarms/AV dosent make up for your losses.
You guys keep posting untill the changes kick in. CCP has been bending you guys over for so long that you blow up when they throw a litte spit on you first...
Forge direct damage stays the same and your armour just dropped 40%(give or take) because of modules... Imagine 2 less hardeners? or 1 less plate and 1 less repper? comon...
I will wager that we see the tanker dudes that have been lighting up the forums with HAV power . crying like babies on the very same forum wich they publically displayed their inability to do do simple math within 48 hours of 1.7..
and i will link this post to every single one !
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:32:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:wait.... why am I even arguing with you again? your too biased to accept reality and see logic... whatever
Because deep down inside you know that your biased tank scrubby POS logic wants to.
You refuse to see things from the point of AV, and constantly deny that these AV nerfs will make swarm launchers useless.
You are the embodiment of bias.
Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks.
AV should not do damage to us
-Tanker's Logic
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
540
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:36:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:Yep, because my skill had absolutely nothing to do with that, and anyone within 2 minutes of play time would be able to do this. This is so common that it happens all the time Nice logic dude I should say the same things to you, according to your signature.. you ignored every single thing about balance we have ever argued over. My signature is based of the fact that 90% of people on this forum who agrued against me said that tanks should be the only counter to tanks. none of s have ever said tanks should be the only counter to itself, tanks are the logical biggest counter to tanks, av is just a side investment of people want to kill vehicles without skilling into vehicles themselves.. none of us have ever said Quote:only vehicles should counter vehicles, AV should not exist. once again your putting words in peoples mouth... if AV was the biggest hard counter to tanks, then why would be skill up into tanks? for the tank fights? those wont exist if av is better than vehicles at vehicle destruction. that's the way it is now and tanks are a joke.
Actually, your "friend" that you told to STFU yesterday named Spkr4TheDead and a few others said that tanks should be the only counter to tanks.
I'm not saying that AV should be the best counter to Tanks. I'm saying they should be equally effective against them.
Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks.
AV should not do damage to us
-Tanker's Logic
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Void Echo
Blades of Dust
2052
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:44:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Void Echo wrote:wait.... why am I even arguing with you again? your too biased to accept reality and see logic... whatever Because deep down inside you know that your biased tank scrubby POS logic wants to. You refuse to see things from the point of AV, and constantly deny that these AV nerfs will make swarm launchers useless. You are the embodiment of bias.
if im a tank scrub, that makes you the most insignificant germ in the forums.
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Void Echo
Blades of Dust
2052
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:45:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Actually, your "friend" that you told to STFU yesterday named Spkr4TheDead and a few others said that tanks should be the only counter to tanks.
I'm not saying that AV should be the best counter to Tanks. I'm saying they should be more effective effective against them like they are now.
I was the one that told you to stfu yesterday.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:46:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:Actually, your "friend" that you told to STFU yesterday named Spkr4TheDead and a few others said that tanks should be the only counter to tanks.
I'm not saying that AV should be the best counter to Tanks. I'm saying they should be more effective effective against them like they are now. I was the one that told you to stfu yesterday.
Yeah, I know. I was actually editing that post, as I worded it incrrectly
Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks.
AV should not do damage to us
-Tanker's Logic
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Long Evity
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
6087
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:47:00 -
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Atiim wrote:
I'm not saying that AV should be the best counter to Tanks. I'm saying they should be equally effective against them.
I see a problem here from a tankers point of view.
Why the hell is an item that costs a lot less SP and ISK ... as effective in AV as a tank? AV is a support role to begin with, it's not the ultimate tank slayer role - there's really no such thing. Do you think we'd need AV nades if 1-2 AV weapons was all a team needed to stop vehicles?
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:48:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:Void Echo wrote:wait.... why am I even arguing with you again? your too biased to accept reality and see logic... whatever Because deep down inside you know that your biased tank scrubby POS logic wants to. You refuse to see things from the point of AV, and constantly deny that these AV nerfs will make swarm launchers useless. You are the embodiment of bias. if im a tank scrub, that makes you the most insignificant germ in the forums.
Quite possibly, and when it comes to Swarm Launchers, you are literally the most insignificant biased germ this forum has ever had the displeasure of getting sick from.
Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks.
AV should not do damage to us
-Tanker's Logic
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Void Echo
Blades of Dust
2052
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:51:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:Void Echo wrote:wait.... why am I even arguing with you again? your too biased to accept reality and see logic... whatever Because deep down inside you know that your biased tank scrubby POS logic wants to. You refuse to see things from the point of AV, and constantly deny that these AV nerfs will make swarm launchers useless. You are the embodiment of bias. if im a tank scrub, that makes you the most insignificant germ in the forums. Quite possibly, and when it comes to Swarm Launchers, you are literally the most insignificant biased germ this forum has ever had the displeasure of getting sick from.
lol im not biased, I actually listen to arguments and actually talk with people who aren't like you, maybe I am biased, but only when im around biased people like you.
lolswarms deserve the nerf, av nades deserve deletion, forges need a change, tanks nee a buff.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.11.02 20:00:00 -
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SoTa PoP? wrote:Atiim wrote:
I'm not saying that AV should be the best counter to Tanks. I'm saying they should be equally effective against them.
I see a problem here from a tankers point of view. Why the hell is an item that costs a lot less SP and ISK ... as effective in AV as a tank? AV is a support role to begin with, it's not the ultimate tank slayer role - there's really no such thing. Do you think we'd need AV nades if 1-2 AV weapons was all a team needed to stop vehicles?
Why? Because it is called AV.
AV is not a support role, and I've never seen any in-game description that says it was. If AV was/is designed to be a support role, then why should anyone bother with them? Especially when I could just use a tank instead to own the other one.
SP cost to make a decent tank is equal to the cost of making a decent AV (prof skills, reload, ammo, grenades, weapon, etc)
Considering that the average AV dies about 3-4 times trying to destroy a tank, and a tank with completely basic gear costs 400k, The price matches up in my case
If Tanks are miles ahead of AV then why would new players use them? Answer:
They wouldn't. They would either get stomped or become tankers; thus creating a nightmare where everyone has a tank because everyone is afraid of getting stomped by tanks. That nightmare is know as "Tank 514"
Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks.
AV should not do damage to us
-Tanker's Logic
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.11.02 20:03:00 -
[104] - Quote
Atiim wrote:SoTa PoP? wrote:Atiim wrote:
I'm not saying that AV should be the best counter to Tanks. I'm saying they should be equally effective against them.
I see a problem here from a tankers point of view. Why the hell is an item that costs a lot less SP and ISK ... as effective in AV as a tank? AV is a support role to begin with, it's not the ultimate tank slayer role - there's really no such thing. Do you think we'd need AV nades if 1-2 AV weapons was all a team needed to stop vehicles? Why? Because it is called AV. AV is not a support role, and I've never seen any in-game description that says it was. If AV was/is designed to be a support role, then why should anyone bother with them? Especially when I could just use a tank instead to own the other one. SP cost to make a decent tank is equal to the cost of making a decent AV (prof skills, reload, ammo, grenades, weapon, etc) Considering that the average AV dies about 3-4 times trying to destroy a tank, and a tank with completely basic gear costs 400k, The price matches up in my case If Tanks are miles ahead of AV then why would new players use them? Answer: They wouldn't. They would either get stomped or become tankers; thus creating a nightmare where everyone has a tank because everyone is afraid of getting stomped by tanks. That nightmare is know as "Tank 514"
If that's the case, then by that logic, Logi's and Scouts should act like Assaults, even though they are support roles. Oh wait......
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.11.02 20:03:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:Void Echo wrote:wait.... why am I even arguing with you again? your too biased to accept reality and see logic... whatever Because deep down inside you know that your biased tank scrubby POS logic wants to. You refuse to see things from the point of AV, and constantly deny that these AV nerfs will make swarm launchers useless. You are the embodiment of bias. if im a tank scrub, that makes you the most insignificant germ in the forums. Quite possibly, and when it comes to Swarm Launchers, you are literally the most insignificant biased germ this forum has ever had the displeasure of getting sick from. lol im not biased, I actually listen to arguments and actually talk with people who aren't like you, maybe I am biased, but only when im around biased people like you. lolswarms deserve the nerf, av nades deserve deletion, forges need a change, tanks nee a buff.
So basically you said "I'm not biased, well maybe I am biased but only around you am I biased!
I've listened and seen both sides, and I don't think you see what will happen if/when tanks become better than AV instead of being "equal".
Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks.
AV should not do damage to us
-Tanker's Logic
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.11.02 20:05:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:SoTa PoP? wrote:Atiim wrote:
I'm not saying that AV should be the best counter to Tanks. I'm saying they should be equally effective against them.
I see a problem here from a tankers point of view. Why the hell is an item that costs a lot less SP and ISK ... as effective in AV as a tank? AV is a support role to begin with, it's not the ultimate tank slayer role - there's really no such thing. Do you think we'd need AV nades if 1-2 AV weapons was all a team needed to stop vehicles? Why? Because it is called AV. AV is not a support role, and I've never seen any in-game description that says it was. If AV was/is designed to be a support role, then why should anyone bother with them? Especially when I could just use a tank instead to own the other one. SP cost to make a decent tank is equal to the cost of making a decent AV (prof skills, reload, ammo, grenades, weapon, etc) Considering that the average AV dies about 3-4 times trying to destroy a tank, and a tank with completely basic gear costs 400k, The price matches up in my case If Tanks are miles ahead of AV then why would new players use them? Answer: They wouldn't. They would either get stomped or become tankers; thus creating a nightmare where everyone has a tank because everyone is afraid of getting stomped by tanks. That nightmare is know as "Tank 514" If that's the case, then by that logic, Logi's and Scouts should act like Assaults, even though they are support roles. Oh wait......
The logistics class is a hybird of field medics and assaults. They are not support, but hybrids.
And Scouts... Well i've got nothing to say here, I haven't been using scouts long enough to give an educated opinoin
Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks.
AV should not do damage to us
-Tanker's Logic
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Void Echo
Blades of Dust
2052
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Posted - 2013.11.02 20:07:00 -
[107] - Quote
Atiim wrote:So basically you said "I'm not biased, well maybe I am biased but only around you am I biased!
I've listened and seen both sides, and I don't think you see what will happen if/when tanks become better than AV instead of being "equal".
theyv never been equal dumbass, theyv always been on the screwed end of the deal, you would know this if you were here for a year or were actually a tanker. iv also been on both sides, av has no counter argument to balance that I can see, they have their heads far too up in the clouds because of the power theyv had for over a year.
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Long Evity
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.02 20:09:00 -
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Atiim wrote:SoTa PoP? wrote:Atiim wrote:
I'm not saying that AV should be the best counter to Tanks. I'm saying they should be equally effective against them.
I see a problem here from a tankers point of view. Why the hell is an item that costs a lot less SP and ISK ... as effective in AV as a tank? AV is a support role to begin with, it's not the ultimate tank slayer role - there's really no such thing. Do you think we'd need AV nades if 1-2 AV weapons was all a team needed to stop vehicles? Why? Because it is called AV. AV is not a support role, and I've never seen any in-game description that says it was. If AV was/is designed to be a support role, then why should anyone bother with them? Especially when I could just use a tank instead to own the other one. SP cost to make a decent tank is equal to the cost of making a decent AV (prof skills, reload, ammo, grenades, weapon, etc) Considering that the average AV dies about 3-4 times trying to destroy a tank, and a tank with completely basic gear costs 400k, The price matches up in my case If Tanks are miles ahead of AV then why would new players use them? Answer: They wouldn't. They would either get stomped or become tankers; thus creating a nightmare where everyone has a tank because everyone is afraid of getting stomped by tanks. That nightmare is know as "Tank 514"
If you really can't figure out why it's important to have AV even if you can't solo a tank then all hope is lost with you Lol
Why do people stack a third damage mod?
Why do people choose scouts?
Small differences make all the difference, and AV makes a much bigger difference then anyone could consider 'small'
And if we're comparing how AV is handled in other games - it's usually accompanied by LMG or suppressive fire-arm.
The list of AV being known as 'support' is probably much bigger then games that consider it a 'main' class. BF and CoD are examples where AV is considered a 'secondary' or even 'equipment' item.
Regardless of all that, it makes no sense consider the cost and effect. Tankers wouldn't have a purpose if they can get pushed back by AV from 1 person spamming proto. It takes almost no SP to get proto Swarms compared to getting a tank to survive 3 shots from one, and this isn't even considering cost.
It's just my opinion - but your idea of how balance works for AV vs Vehicle seems AV biased.
And if you believe AV = Tank in SP cost do the numbers and show me.
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daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
294
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Posted - 2013.11.02 20:19:00 -
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@OP
You realize, that the new hardener is 40% (better than 2 hardener now) and that you are no longer forced to use a PG upgrade.
PG Upgrade, hardener, hardener (3 slots) < new hardener (1 slot) |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
328
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Posted - 2013.11.02 20:49:00 -
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We getting a vehicle respec right?
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
900
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Posted - 2013.11.02 21:03:00 -
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I did some maths on this made a whole thread about it, some of my maths was a little off, but basically tanks are gonna work like this!
1) Shield Tanks: Go Hardners or Go Home
2) Armour Tanks: Go plates or Go Home
3) No matter how good a tanker you are, you will get no more than 3-4mins active time per cycle
4) Tanks will still be relatively easy prey without the correct support
5) The tankers who spent their time whining because their tanks too weak (mainly spike) will still do so because they eon't know how to tank with their infantry counterparts.
6) Tankers who saw things from the infantry side (mainly true adamance) will do increasingly well because SL now have to engage from within the theatre of battle in which the tank is involved!
7) Don't expect that much better of draw distance, it reduces redline rail tanking the way it is!
The pen is mightier than the sword
The gun is mightier than both
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1380
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Posted - 2013.11.02 21:06:00 -
[112] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:SoTa PoP? wrote:Atiim wrote:
I'm not saying that AV should be the best counter to Tanks. I'm saying they should be equally effective against them.
I see a problem here from a tankers point of view. Why the hell is an item that costs a lot less SP and ISK ... as effective in AV as a tank? AV is a support role to begin with, it's not the ultimate tank slayer role - there's really no such thing. Do you think we'd need AV nades if 1-2 AV weapons was all a team needed to stop vehicles? Why? Because it is called AV. AV is not a support role, and I've never seen any in-game description that says it was. If AV was/is designed to be a support role, then why should anyone bother with them? Especially when I could just use a tank instead to own the other one. SP cost to make a decent tank is equal to the cost of making a decent AV (prof skills, reload, ammo, grenades, weapon, etc) Considering that the average AV dies about 3-4 times trying to destroy a tank, and a tank with completely basic gear costs 400k, The price matches up in my case If Tanks are miles ahead of AV then why would new players use them? Answer: They wouldn't. They would either get stomped or become tankers; thus creating a nightmare where everyone has a tank because everyone is afraid of getting stomped by tanks. That nightmare is know as "Tank 514" If that's the case, then by that logic, Logi's and Scouts should act like Assaults, even though they are support roles. Oh wait...... The logistics class is a hybird of field medics and assaults. They are not support, but hybrids. And Scouts... Well i've got nothing to say here, I haven't been using scouts long enough to give an educated opinoin
Proves my point.
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.11.02 21:10:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:@OP
You realize, that the new hardener is 60% (better than 2 hardener now) and that you are no longer forced to use a PG upgrade.
PG Upgrade, hardener, hardener (3 slots) < new hardener (1 slot)
Fixed
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.11.02 21:11:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:I did some maths on this made a whole thread about it, some of my maths was a little off, but basically tanks are gonna work like this!
1) Shield Tanks: Go Hardners or Go Home
2) Armour Tanks: Go plates or Go Home
3) No matter how good a tanker you are, you will get no more than 3-4mins active time per cycle
4) Tanks will still be relatively easy prey without the correct support
5) The tankers who spent their time whining because their tanks too weak (mainly spike) will still do so because they eon't know how to tank with their infantry counterparts.
6) Tankers who saw things from the infantry side (mainly true adamance) will do increasingly well because SL now have to engage from within the theatre of battle in which the tank is involved!
7) Don't expect that much better of draw distance, it reduces redline rail tanking the way it is!
Nah. Go hardeners or go home period.
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
900
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Posted - 2013.11.02 21:16:00 -
[115] - Quote
Godin Thekiller wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:I did some maths on this made a whole thread about it, some of my maths was a little off, but basically tanks are gonna work like this!
1) Shield Tanks: Go Hardners or Go Home
2) Armour Tanks: Go plates or Go Home
3) No matter how good a tanker you are, you will get no more than 3-4mins active time per cycle
4) Tanks will still be relatively easy prey without the correct support
5) The tankers who spent their time whining because their tanks too weak (mainly spike) will still do so because they eon't know how to tank with their infantry counterparts.
6) Tankers who saw things from the infantry side (mainly true adamance) will do increasingly well because SL now have to engage from within the theatre of battle in which the tank is involved!
7) Don't expect that much better of draw distance, it reduces redline rail tanking the way it is! Nah. Go hardeners or go home period.
Well if you would like to find the thread you can see the maths, but basically until you add at least 2 plates, the hardner doean't increase you pseudo health better than a plate. As such when you only have 3 slots 2 plates and a repper is the most efficient layout for an armour tank under the new scheme!
The pen is mightier than the sword
The gun is mightier than both
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1381
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Posted - 2013.11.02 21:20:00 -
[116] - Quote
Monkey MAC wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:I did some maths on this made a whole thread about it, some of my maths was a little off, but basically tanks are gonna work like this!
1) Shield Tanks: Go Hardners or Go Home
2) Armour Tanks: Go plates or Go Home
3) No matter how good a tanker you are, you will get no more than 3-4mins active time per cycle
4) Tanks will still be relatively easy prey without the correct support
5) The tankers who spent their time whining because their tanks too weak (mainly spike) will still do so because they eon't know how to tank with their infantry counterparts.
6) Tankers who saw things from the infantry side (mainly true adamance) will do increasingly well because SL now have to engage from within the theatre of battle in which the tank is involved!
7) Don't expect that much better of draw distance, it reduces redline rail tanking the way it is! Nah. Go hardeners or go home period. Well if you would like to find the thread you can see the maths, but basically until you add at least 2 plates, the hardner doean't increase you pseudo health better than a plate. As such when you only have 3 slots 2 plates and a repper is the most efficient layout for an armour tank under the new scheme!
A HAV fight won't last 30 seconds, and I'll have more eHP than that one, so it's not that much more efficient.
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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skippy678
F.T.U.
111
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Posted - 2013.11.02 21:34:00 -
[117] - Quote
daishi mk03 wrote:@OP
You realize, that the new hardener is 40% (better than 2 hardener now) and that you are no longer forced to use a PG upgrade.
PG Upgrade, hardener, hardener (3 slots) < new hardener (1 slot)
now
complex armour hardner
cpu-25
pg-5
effect-25% resist
new
complex armour hardner
cpu-133
pg-397
effect-60%resist
Honestly dude your ruining peoples legit argument here...you aint saving any PG mods with the new one buddy...just seeing the numbers you want I guess..notice the big difference in PG? do u understand how far of your reply is here?seriously
U.play.good?
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skippy678
F.T.U.
111
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Posted - 2013.11.02 21:40:00 -
[118] - Quote
Smooth Assassin wrote:We getting a vehicle respec right?
nothing is for sure right now but seems logical as they are rearranging the skill tree in vehicle.
U.play.good?
F.T.U. Recruiting Thread
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
1311
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Posted - 2013.11.02 21:54:00 -
[119] - Quote
A rant thread about ranters, carry on then.
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daishi mk03
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Posted - 2013.11.02 22:26:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:now
complex armour hardner
cpu-25
pg-5
effect-25% resist
new
complex armour hardner
cpu-133
pg-397
effect-60%resist
Honestly dude your ruining peoples legit argument here...you aint saving any PG mods with the new one buddy...just seeing the numbers you want I guess..notice the big difference in PG? do u understand how far off your reply is here?seriously
Right now I run a cheap pub fit madrugar 80GJ Blaster, 2 carapace hardener, 1 heavy eff rep, 1 pg up, 1 180mm poly
1.7 I can run a fit with 80 GJ Blaster, complex 120mm plate, complex hardener, complex repper
I will loose a bit of max hp, trade my big repper for constant rep HOWEVER AV will do -30% damage
I'm happy
Edit: And don't forget that shield tanks will become viable, while being absolute trash right now. So, yeah, 1.7 is good and you are a troll :) |
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pegasis prime
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Monkey MAC wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:I did some maths on this made a whole thread about it, some of my maths was a little off, but basically tanks are gonna work like this!
1) Shield Tanks: Go Hardners or Go Home
2) Armour Tanks: Go plates or Go Home
3) No matter how good a tanker you are, you will get no more than 3-4mins active time per cycle
4) Tanks will still be relatively easy prey without the correct support
5) The tankers who spent their time whining because their tanks too weak (mainly spike) will still do so because they eon't know how to tank with their infantry counterparts.
6) Tankers who saw things from the infantry side (mainly true adamance) will do increasingly well because SL now have to engage from within the theatre of battle in which the tank is involved!
7) Don't expect that much better of draw distance, it reduces redline rail tanking the way it is! Nah. Go hardeners or go home period. Well if you would like to find the thread you can see the maths, but basically until you add at least 2 plates, the hardner doean't increase you pseudo health better than a plate. As such when you only have 3 slots 2 plates and a repper is the most efficient layout for an armour tank under the new scheme!
also hybrid tanking will be a thing in 1.7 as a good shield booster will help a maddy tremendously by buffering damage allowing armour reps to do their work, light armour reps and plates might also be used on gunlogis to beef up the tank. 1.7 will bring much more variety in fitting options for the clever tanker and will thusly lead to more interesting engagements where tanks fufill roles like punching through enemy lines to playing point defence , havs will have to be much more specialised in their fittings/roles on the battlefield.
Its gone from suck .....to blow
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.11.02 22:43:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:Madrugar.Now
CPU-210
PG-2690
High Slot-2
Low slot-5
Madrugar.1.7
CPU-475
PG-2490
High Slots-2
Low slots-3
40% less low slots......less PG...Go ahead and try to make a Maddy fitting with the new numbers and see what comes out. All the numbers are on the vehicle blog...33% of swarms/AV dosent make up for your losses.
You guys keep posting untill the changes kick in. CCP has been bending you guys over for so long that you blow up when they throw a litte spit on you first...
Forge direct damage stays the same and your armour just dropped 40%(give or take) because of modules... Imagine 2 less hardeners? or 1 less plate and 1 less repper? comon...
I will wager that we see the tanker dudes that have been lighting up the forums with HAV power . crying like babies on the very same forum wich they publically displayed their inability to do do simple math within 48 hours of 1.7..
and i will link this post to every single one !
You know active armour harderners are supposed to be up at something like 40% or more res a pop right? Armour Repper as a passive, and armour plates you could put more than enough tank on a maddy to kick ass.
Throw down a couple of damage mods or something in the highs and you have an epic brawler tank.
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pegasis prime
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Posted - 2013.11.02 22:47:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:skippy678 wrote:Madrugar.Now
CPU-210
PG-2690
High Slot-2
Low slot-5
Madrugar.1.7
CPU-475
PG-2490
High Slots-2
Low slots-3
40% less low slots......less PG...Go ahead and try to make a Maddy fitting with the new numbers and see what comes out. All the numbers are on the vehicle blog...33% of swarms/AV dosent make up for your losses.
You guys keep posting untill the changes kick in. CCP has been bending you guys over for so long that you blow up when they throw a litte spit on you first...
Forge direct damage stays the same and your armour just dropped 40%(give or take) because of modules... Imagine 2 less hardeners? or 1 less plate and 1 less repper? comon...
I will wager that we see the tanker dudes that have been lighting up the forums with HAV power . crying like babies on the very same forum wich they publically displayed their inability to do do simple math within 48 hours of 1.7..
and i will link this post to every single one ! You know active armour harderners are supposed to be up at something like 40% or more res a pop right? Armour Repper as a passive, and armour plates you could put more than enough tank on a maddy to kick ass. Throw down a couple of damage mods or something in the highs and you have an epic brawler tank.
a well tanked maddy will struggle to fit the active damage mods but if you sacrifice a bit of tank you will fit more gank,
Its gone from suck .....to blow
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skippy678
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Posted - 2013.11.02 22:50:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:skippy678 wrote:now
complex armour hardner
cpu-25
pg-5
effect-25% resist
new
complex armour hardner
cpu-133
pg-397
effect-60%resist
Honestly dude your ruining peoples legit argument here...you aint saving any PG mods with the new one buddy...just seeing the numbers you want I guess..notice the big difference in PG? do u understand how far off your reply is here?seriously Right now I run a cheap pub fit madrugar 80GJ Blaster, 2 carapace hardener, 1 heavy eff rep, 1 pg up, 1 180mm poly 1.7 I can run a fit with 80 GJ Blaster, complex 120mm plate, complex hardener, complex repper I will loose a bit of max hp, trade my big repper for constant rep HOWEVER AV will do -30% damage I'm happy Edit: And don't forget that shield tanks will become viable, while being absolute trash right now. So, yeah, 1.7 is good and you are a troll :)
I went and did your math for you since you can mostlikely drive backwards but not add...
new maddy
cpu-475
pg-2490
the fiting you would put is complex 120plate/repper/hardner/80 g blaster...just those things cost
CPU-486
PG-2762
And You still got 2 small turrets and 2 low slots you havnt accounted for ??
are you vehicle electronics level12?
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skippy678
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Posted - 2013.11.02 22:52:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:skippy678 wrote:Madrugar.Now
CPU-210
PG-2690
High Slot-2
Low slot-5
Madrugar.1.7
CPU-475
PG-2490
High Slots-2
Low slots-3
40% less low slots......less PG...Go ahead and try to make a Maddy fitting with the new numbers and see what comes out. All the numbers are on the vehicle blog...33% of swarms/AV dosent make up for your losses.
You guys keep posting untill the changes kick in. CCP has been bending you guys over for so long that you blow up when they throw a litte spit on you first...
Forge direct damage stays the same and your armour just dropped 40%(give or take) because of modules... Imagine 2 less hardeners? or 1 less plate and 1 less repper? comon...
I will wager that we see the tanker dudes that have been lighting up the forums with HAV power . crying like babies on the very same forum wich they publically displayed their inability to do do simple math within 48 hours of 1.7..
and i will link this post to every single one ! You know active armour harderners are supposed to be up at something like 40% or more res a pop right? Armour Repper as a passive, and armour plates you could put more than enough tank on a maddy to kick ass. Throw down a couple of damage mods or something in the highs and you have an epic brawler tank.
I just dont see how there is any chance of speed/damage mods to fit in there..
U.play.good?
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.11.02 22:53:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:True Adamance wrote:skippy678 wrote:Madrugar.Now
CPU-210
PG-2690
High Slot-2
Low slot-5
Madrugar.1.7
CPU-475
PG-2490
High Slots-2
Low slots-3
40% less low slots......less PG...Go ahead and try to make a Maddy fitting with the new numbers and see what comes out. All the numbers are on the vehicle blog...33% of swarms/AV dosent make up for your losses.
You guys keep posting untill the changes kick in. CCP has been bending you guys over for so long that you blow up when they throw a litte spit on you first...
Forge direct damage stays the same and your armour just dropped 40%(give or take) because of modules... Imagine 2 less hardeners? or 1 less plate and 1 less repper? comon...
I will wager that we see the tanker dudes that have been lighting up the forums with HAV power . crying like babies on the very same forum wich they publically displayed their inability to do do simple math within 48 hours of 1.7..
and i will link this post to every single one ! You know active armour harderners are supposed to be up at something like 40% or more res a pop right? Armour Repper as a passive, and armour plates you could put more than enough tank on a maddy to kick ass. Throw down a couple of damage mods or something in the highs and you have an epic brawler tank. a well tanked maddy will struggle to fit the active damage mods but if you sacrifice a bit of tank you will fit more gank,
Im not ganker by nature I take the shield over the sword anyday...... in this case the Hull over the Blaster.... GIMME MY ******* AMARR HAV!
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pegasis prime
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Posted - 2013.11.02 22:55:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:pegasis prime wrote:True Adamance wrote:skippy678 wrote:Madrugar.Now
CPU-210
PG-2690
High Slot-2
Low slot-5
Madrugar.1.7
CPU-475
PG-2490
High Slots-2
Low slots-3
40% less low slots......less PG...Go ahead and try to make a Maddy fitting with the new numbers and see what comes out. All the numbers are on the vehicle blog...33% of swarms/AV dosent make up for your losses.
You guys keep posting untill the changes kick in. CCP has been bending you guys over for so long that you blow up when they throw a litte spit on you first...
Forge direct damage stays the same and your armour just dropped 40%(give or take) because of modules... Imagine 2 less hardeners? or 1 less plate and 1 less repper? comon...
I will wager that we see the tanker dudes that have been lighting up the forums with HAV power . crying like babies on the very same forum wich they publically displayed their inability to do do simple math within 48 hours of 1.7..
and i will link this post to every single one ! You know active armour harderners are supposed to be up at something like 40% or more res a pop right? Armour Repper as a passive, and armour plates you could put more than enough tank on a maddy to kick ass. Throw down a couple of damage mods or something in the highs and you have an epic brawler tank. a well tanked maddy will struggle to fit the active damage mods but if you sacrifice a bit of tank you will fit more gank, Im not ganker by nature I take the shield over the sword anyday...... in this case the Hull over the Blaster.... GIMME MY ******* AMARR HAV!
youll get them eventually but when the changes come id advise you to skill both maddy gunlogi core skills because I have a feeling that the ammar tanks are going to be hybrid tanked like the dropsuits.
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2013.11.02 22:58:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:I did some maths on this made a whole thread about it, some of my maths was a little off, but basically tanks are gonna work like this!
1) Shield Tanks: Go Hardners or Go Home
2) Armour Tanks: Go plates or Go Home
3) No matter how good a tanker you are, you will get no more than 3-4mins active time per cycle
4) Tanks will still be relatively easy prey without the correct support
5) The tankers who spent their time whining because their tanks too weak (mainly spike) will still do so because they eon't know how to tank with their infantry counterparts.
6) Tankers who saw things from the infantry side (mainly true adamance) will do increasingly well because SL now have to engage from within the theatre of battle in which the tank is involved!
7) Don't expect that much better of draw distance, it reduces redline rail tanking the way it is! Nah. Go hardeners or go home period. Well if you would like to find the thread you can see the maths, but basically until you add at least 2 plates, the hardner doean't increase you pseudo health better than a plate. As such when you only have 3 slots 2 plates and a repper is the most efficient layout for an armour tank under the new scheme! also hybrid tanking will be a thing in 1.7 as a good shield booster will help a maddy tremendously by buffering damage allowing armour reps to do their work, light armour reps and plates might also be used on gunlogis to beef up the tank. 1.7 will bring much more variety in fitting options for the clever tanker and will thusly lead to more interesting engagements where tanks fufill roles like punching through enemy lines to playing point defence , havs will have to be much more specialised in their fittings/roles on the battlefield.
Very true, but like their comparitive dropsuits dual tanking on shield and armour based tanks won't be as effective!
We need mini and amarr dual tanking tanks! But yeah I don't main in tanks and im rather looking forward to the changes!
We need more tanks on the field!
What we don't need is 15 tanks a side!
Hopefully this change will achieve this!
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The gun is mightier than both
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daishi mk03
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Posted - 2013.11.02 22:58:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:I went and did your math for you since you can mostlikely drive backwards but not add...
new maddy
cpu-475
pg-2490
the fiting you would put is complex 120plate/repper/hardner/80 g blaster...just those things cost
CPU-486
PG-2762
And You still got 2 small turrets and 2 low slots you havnt accounted for ??
are you vehicle electronics level12?
Thanks for doing math, but next time do it right.
Skill: "5% reduction to PG usage of vehicle armor modules per level"
and don't forget blaster fitting optimization
there is still place for stuff in the high slots, so no prob there.
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skippy678
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Posted - 2013.11.02 23:08:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:skippy678 wrote:I went and did your math for you since you can mostlikely drive backwards but not add...
new maddy
cpu-475
pg-2490
the fiting you would put is complex 120plate/repper/hardner/80 g blaster...just those things cost
CPU-486
PG-2762
And You still got 2 small turrets and 2 low slots you havnt accounted for ??
are you vehicle electronics level12?
Thanks for doing math, but next time do it right. Skill: "5% reduction to PG usage of vehicle armor modules per level" and don't forget blaster fitting optimization there is still place for stuff in the high slots, so no prob there.
congrats. 5% off that whole including the blaster is125-150 PG and the militia blasters for 2 are gonna add
136.4 cpu and 369.6 Pg....still sooooo far off
your claimed fit does not work...
U.play.good?
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CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization
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Posted - 2013.11.02 23:10:00 -
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now state the new 1.7 soma stats.... |
daishi mk03
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Posted - 2013.11.02 23:10:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:congrats. 5% off that whole including the blaster is125-150 PG and the militia blasters for 2 are gonna add
136.4 cpu and 369.6 Pg....still sooooo far off
your claimed fit does not work...
Numbers aren't your thing, right? It's 5% per level of the skill, which translates into 25%.
Edit: I start to like you, you funny. |
pegasis prime
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Posted - 2013.11.02 23:15:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:skippy678 wrote:congrats. 5% off that whole including the blaster is125-150 PG and the militia blasters for 2 are gonna add
136.4 cpu and 369.6 Pg....still sooooo far off
your claimed fit does not work... Numbers aren't your thing, right? It's 5% per level of the skill, which translates into 25%. Edit: I start to like you, you funny.
fight fight fight fight fight fight fight
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skippy678
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Posted - 2013.11.02 23:17:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:skippy678 wrote:congrats. 5% off that whole including the blaster is125-150 PG and the militia blasters for 2 are gonna add
136.4 cpu and 369.6 Pg....still sooooo far off
your claimed fit does not work... Numbers aren't your thing, right? It's 5% per level of the skill, which translates into 25%. Edit: I start to like you, you funny.
so what do u have in your low slots? lets do the math right here...if you state the modules we can do the math together..but still we have 4 slots that i am assuming on or taking a guess??? you gonna leave your low slots empty? you really gonna have militia blasters? give the facts of the fit and the numbers wont be a problem no matter what i say you can just change your story of fit and change it....
2 highs
3 lows
1 big turret
2 small turrets
go...
and for arguments sake we will pretend that you have level 5 everything.
U.play.good?
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pegasis prime
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Posted - 2013.11.02 23:20:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:skippy678 wrote:congrats. 5% off that whole including the blaster is125-150 PG and the militia blasters for 2 are gonna add
136.4 cpu and 369.6 Pg....still sooooo far off
your claimed fit does not work... Numbers aren't your thing, right? It's 5% per level of the skill, which translates into 25%. Edit: I start to like you, you funny. so what do u have in your low slots? lets do the math right here...if you state the modules we can do the math together..but still we have 4 slots that i am assuming on or taking a guess??? you gonna leave your low slots empty? you really gonna have militia blasters? give the facts of the fit and the numbers wont be a problem no matter what i say you can just change your story of fit and change it.... 2 highs 3 lows 1 big turret 2 small turrets go... and for arguments sake we will pretend that you have level 5 everything.
don't forget in 1.7 you don't have to fit small turrets to your vehicles
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skippy678
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Posted - 2013.11.02 23:21:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:skippy678 wrote:congrats. 5% off that whole including the blaster is125-150 PG and the militia blasters for 2 are gonna add
136.4 cpu and 369.6 Pg....still sooooo far off
your claimed fit does not work... Numbers aren't your thing, right? It's 5% per level of the skill, which translates into 25%. Edit: I start to like you, you funny. so what do u have in your low slots? lets do the math right here...if you state the modules we can do the math together..but still we have 4 slots that i am assuming on or taking a guess??? you gonna leave your low slots empty? you really gonna have militia blasters? give the facts of the fit and the numbers wont be a problem no matter what i say you can just change your story of fit and change it.... 2 highs 3 lows 1 big turret 2 small turrets go... and for arguments sake we will pretend that you have level 5 everything.
my bold statement is ......you wont be able to have all 4 of the things you stated...your gonna have to drop the blaster
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Beld Errmon
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Posted - 2013.11.02 23:22:00 -
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Its amazing how so many ppl are getting trolled by an argument they'd probably make themselves in an anti AV thread. |
skippy678
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Posted - 2013.11.02 23:23:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:skippy678 wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:skippy678 wrote:congrats. 5% off that whole including the blaster is125-150 PG and the militia blasters for 2 are gonna add
136.4 cpu and 369.6 Pg....still sooooo far off
your claimed fit does not work... Numbers aren't your thing, right? It's 5% per level of the skill, which translates into 25%. Edit: I start to like you, you funny. so what do u have in your low slots? lets do the math right here...if you state the modules we can do the math together..but still we have 4 slots that i am assuming on or taking a guess??? you gonna leave your low slots empty? you really gonna have militia blasters? give the facts of the fit and the numbers wont be a problem no matter what i say you can just change your story of fit and change it.... 2 highs 3 lows 1 big turret 2 small turrets go... and for arguments sake we will pretend that you have level 5 everything. don't forget in 1.7 you don't have to fit small turrets to your vehicles
fair enough...if he wants 4 empty slots including no small blaster than lets do the math
U.play.good?
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daishi mk03
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Posted - 2013.11.02 23:23:00 -
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Actually, it's HIGH SLOTS, which I didn't wrote anything about. Also, not MLT Blaster but STD Blaster
Blaster with fitting 5: 71 / 635
120mm complex plate: 126 / 896*0.75
complex hardener: 133 / 397*0.75
complex repper: 143 / 722*0.75
sum: 473 / 2146,25
Complex CPU Upgrade -475*0.15= - 71,25 / 0
This leaves 1 high slot for Nitro or a Scanner
I will never ever add small turrets to my tank, forever, since I hate those blueberries inside, shooting the mcc or doing ****.
Edit: You can also add 2 instead of 1 CPU Upgrades and fit 2 small blasters |
skippy678
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Posted - 2013.11.02 23:26:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Actually, it's HIGH SLOTS, which I didn't wrote anything about. Also, not MLT Blaster but STD Blaster
Blaster with fitting 5: 71 / 635
120mm complex plate: 126 / 896*0.75
complex hardener: 133 / 397*0.75
complex repper: 143 / 722*0.75
sum: 473 / 2146,25
Complex CPU Upgrade -475*0.15= - 71,25 / 0
This leaves 1 high slot for Nitro or a Scanner
I will never ever add small turrets to my tank, forever, since I hate those blueberries inside, shooting the mcc or doing ****.
Edit: You can also add 2 instead of 1 CPU Upgrades and fit 2 small blasters
what do you mean by this?
Complex CPU Upgrade -475*0.15= - 71,25 / 0
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daishi mk03
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Posted - 2013.11.02 23:28:00 -
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You put this into you High Slot and it increases your CPU by 15% while having 0/0 fitting costs, but increases your CPU by 71,25 which I calculated with a -
Edit: Right now I have all tanking skills at 5, like every tanker .. so this is nothing special |
skippy678
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Posted - 2013.11.02 23:32:00 -
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daishi mk...do you think tanks are going to be OP and stomp when 1.7 gets here?
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daishi mk03
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Posted - 2013.11.02 23:33:00 -
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Wait man, you told me my fit is not possible, you posted several times wrong calculations and now you are changing the question? (^.-) You so funny |
skippy678
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Posted - 2013.11.02 23:34:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Wait man, you told me my fit is not possible, you posted several times wrong calculations and now you are changing the question? (^.-) You so funny
im still doing my math..
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daishi mk03
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Posted - 2013.11.02 23:36:00 -
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Okay, let me know when you finished. |
skippy678
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Posted - 2013.11.02 23:42:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Wait man, you told me my fit is not possible, you posted several times wrong calculations and now you are changing the question? (^.-) You so funny im still doing my math..
honestly You have legit numbers im not arguing that anymore... but what you are saying in "the bbigger picture" is that if you have level 5 everything or give up your small turrets then yu will be able to run 3 armour modules..wich makes the tough tanks tougher and the weak tanks weaker which is not balance....which is how i stated this thread...the real concern is is the tankers less than 5million sp.
your fit works but i would never have thought of a variable like not having any small turrets...and your squeezin really close by my math if they adjust anything by even a handfull of points ...
more importantly i would like your opinion on the statement above.
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skippy678
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Posted - 2013.11.02 23:44:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Okay, let me know when you finished.
Edit: To answer your question about 1.7.
There will be plenty of different fits and viable shield tanks (finally). We will have really specialized tanks, anti-person, anti-tank, defensive, offensive, durable tanks, burst tanks, tanks which spike for seconds and create havoc ... this will be great
I personally think I will kill infantry at least as hard as I do now in 1.7 (mainly due to the reduced AV dmg) However, a single burst damage gunnlogi with missiles will kill me as hard as I kill infantry (finally! this will be great)
I dont think that ill ever be finished..but i can slowitup for a bit if your gonna spread some knowledge.
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Posted - 2013.11.02 23:47:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Okay, let me know when you finished.
Edit: To answer your question about 1.7.
There will be plenty of different fits and viable shield tanks (finally). We will have really specialized tanks, anti-person, anti-tank, defensive, offensive, durable tanks, burst tanks, tanks which spike for seconds and create havoc ... this will be great
I personally think I will kill infantry at least as hard as I do now in 1.7 (mainly due to the reduced AV dmg) However, a single burst damage gunnlogi with missiles will kill me as hard as I kill infantry (finally! this will be great) I dont think that ill ever be finished..but i can slowitup for a bit if your gonna spread some knowledge.
Can we meet here when 1.7 comes out and make that fitting together..kinda like an bday of the time u taught me about math? i would like it
U.play.good?
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daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
296
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Posted - 2013.11.02 23:48:00 -
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My tanks are squeezing right now ... that's nothing special but good fitting.
My next point is, I fitted a STD hull with defensive complex modules and only STD offensive modules.
I'm looking forward to ADV hull, which can be fitted even better.
Next, level 5 everything is normal for tankers. Tankers with less than 5m SP aren't doing any better today. The increase in power of tanks is exponential with SP .. I can kill 2 tanks with my tank today at once, if they are <5m SP tankers.
Also, small turrets really suck most of the time and now they are an option. Like i said earlier, 1 question is Scanner <-> 2 small blasters. Just take what you want .. I will take the scanner.
Yeah, tanks will rock 1.7 and will get slightly nerfed afterwards. |
skippy678
F.T.U.
111
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Posted - 2013.11.02 23:53:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:My tanks are squeezing right now ... that's nothing special but good fitting.
My next point is, I fitted a STD hull with defensive complex modules and only STD offensive modules/weapons.
I'm looking forward to ADV hull, which can be fitted even better.
Next, level 5 everything is normal for tankers. Tankers with less than 5m SP aren't doing any better today. The increase in power of tanks is exponential with SP .. I can kill 2 tanks with my tank today at once, if they are <5m SP tankers.
Also, small turrets really suck most of the time and now they are an option. Like i said earlier, 1 question is Scanner <-> 2 small blasters. Just take what you want .. I will take the scanner.
Yeah, tanks will rock 1.7 and will get slightly nerfed afterwards.
Edit: I will add detailed fittings in this thread later, taking the numbers from the official numbers thread.
This exchange turned out well.
U.play.good?
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daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
296
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Posted - 2013.11.03 00:04:00 -
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Madrugar: 2490 PG, 475 CPU, 4000 armor, 1200 shield
Low slots:
120mm complex plate 896 PG * 0.75 (skill) = 672 PG, 126 CPU, 1885 armor
complex heavy repper 722 PG * 0.75 (skill) = 541,5 PG, 143 CPU, 145 armor/sec * 1,25(skill) = 181,25 armor / sec
complex hardener 397 PG * 0.75 (skill) = 297,75, 133 CPU
High slots:
Complex CPU Upgrade 0 PG, 0 CPU, adds 71,25 CPU
Complex Fuel Injector 134 PG, 47 CPU
Large Turret:
80 GJ Blaster, 747 PG * 0.85 (skill) = 634,95 PG , 84 CPU * 0.85 (skill) = 71,4
SUM: 2280,1 PG and 520 CPU (which works due to the CPU Upgrade we took)
Tank has 5885 armor and 1200 shield, a hardener and 181 armor/sec rep.
As I said, you can change the Fuel Injector into another CPU Upgrade and fit small turrets. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
544
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Posted - 2013.11.03 01:35:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:
If you really can't figure out why it's important to have AV even if you can't solo a tank then all hope is lost with you Lol
Why do people stack a third damage mod?
Why do people choose scouts?
Small differences make all the difference, and AV makes a much bigger difference then anyone could consider 'small'
And if we're comparing how AV is handled in other games - it's usually accompanied by LMG or suppressive fire-arm.
The list of AV being known as 'support' is probably much bigger then games that consider it a 'main' class. BF and CoD are examples where AV is considered a 'secondary' or even 'equipment' item.
Regardless of all that, it makes no sense consider the cost and effect. Tankers wouldn't have a purpose if they can get pushed back by AV from 1 person spamming proto. It takes almost no SP to get proto Swarms compared to getting a tank to survive 3 shots from one, and this isn't even considering cost.
It's just my opinion - but your idea of how balance works for AV vs Vehicle seems AV biased.
And if you believe AV = Tank in SP cost do the numbers and show me.
So you think this should be like BF and COD? God help us all 
There are many reasons why people want to solo with AV, the main one being the fact that you could rip a tank to shreds and reduce it to a smoldering pile of ash, and just when you are about to fire that last shot, some dumbf*uck with a MLT forge gun fires from out of nowhere and gets ALL the credit, leaving you with a little 75 WP, regardless of how much gear you lost. You don't even want to know how many times this happens.
And again everything must be 100% EQUAL. So yes I think that AV should completely equal the strength and effectiveness of tanks. Considering that tanks can do more than one thing and all my swarms can do is kill tanks, this already doesn't exist.
The new AV nerf renders STD gear worthless (doing only 800hp damage). Now you need to have PRO AV on the field to be useful (even in pairs of three). Thanks to this I can only see things going two ways:
Wirykomi 514:
A tanker's nightmare where everyone has PRO AV and pulls it out immediately to destroy a tank everytime it is called in, meaning that everyone will be lined up with AV before the tank even arrives. And I may not share all the opinions of tankers but I think we can all agree that it would be a living nightmare if everyone in his grandma had PRO AV every match. Nerfed or not.
Tank 514:
An infantry's nightmare where everyone doesn't want to use teamwork and go AV, and new players will skill into basic swarms, find that they only do 800 damage, and decide to become a tanker instead. And everyone will either let themselves become stomped by tanks, or get a tank themselves, leading to everyone and his grandma having a tank. And that would be all we see on the field. Everyone trying to spawn in as fast as possible so that they can get their tank in before the team quota reaches
A balance of Wirykomi and Tank 514 would never happen, especially in a game like this, where FOTM players run rampant and people try to use the best gear and weapons possible. The Flaylock pistol is a perfect example of this.
I wish that people wouldn't flock to something because it's simple better or because it's "easier". But that won't happen.
I may seem biased to people who don't agree with me, but the only thing I want is 100% balance between the two.
Also, I still don't think that AV should be support, It should be an alpha weapon capable of decimating tanks, But that's just my two isklets
Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks.
AV should not do damage to us
-Tanker's Logic
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1386
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Posted - 2013.11.03 07:09:00 -
[153] - Quote
Smooth Assassin wrote:We getting a vehicle respec right?
Most likely yea, because they changed the entire skill tree.
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
558
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Posted - 2013.11.03 07:46:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:So basically you said "I'm not biased, well maybe I am biased but only around you am I biased!
I've listened and seen both sides, and I don't think you see what will happen if/when tanks become better than AV instead of being "equal". theyv never been equal dumbass, theyv always been on the screwed end of the deal, you would know this if you were here for a year or were actually a tanker. iv also been on both sides, av has no counter argument to balance that I can see, they have their heads far too up in the clouds because of the power theyv had for over a year.
You love putting words in my moth don't you.
I didn't say they were balanced, what I'm trying to say is that the changes should make them balanced, not give tankers a clear upper hand.
You can stop with the whole "If you were really a tanker" crap. You yourself have a video showing me in my tank.
Really? You have proto swarm launchers? No, you don't sorry.
I may seem biased to some...
But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1386
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Posted - 2013.11.03 07:53:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:So basically you said "I'm not biased, well maybe I am biased but only around you am I biased!
I've listened and seen both sides, and I don't think you see what will happen if/when tanks become better than AV instead of being "equal". theyv never been equal dumbass, theyv always been on the screwed end of the deal, you would know this if you were here for a year or were actually a tanker. iv also been on both sides, av has no counter argument to balance that I can see, they have their heads far too up in the clouds because of the power theyv had for over a year. You love putting words in my moth don't you. I didn't say they were balanced, what I'm trying to say is that the changes should make them balanced, not give tankers a clear upper hand. You can stop with the whole "If you were really a tanker" crap. You yourself have a video showing me in my tank. Really? You have proto swarm launchers? No, you don't sorry.
Just because you have a HAV, doesn't make you a tanker, and it definitely doesn't make you a pilot.
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.11.03 07:56:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:
Just because you have a HAV, doesn't make you a tanker, and it definitely doesn't make you a pilot.
And by that exact logic, owning a IAFG or an Wirykomi swarm launcher doesn't make you AV.
I may seem biased to some...
But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1387
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Posted - 2013.11.03 08:11:00 -
[157] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
Just because you have a HAV, doesn't make you a tanker, and it definitely doesn't make you a pilot.
And by that exact logic, owning a IAFG or an Wirykomi swarm launcher doesn't make you AV.
But I use my Av well, and I use it a lot. However..... 'looks at Atiim'
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
558
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Posted - 2013.11.03 08:14:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
Just because you have a HAV, doesn't make you a tanker, and it definitely doesn't make you a pilot.
And by that exact logic, owning a IAFG or an Wirykomi swarm launcher doesn't make you AV. But I use my Av well, and I use it a lot. However..... 'looks at Atiim'
Considering the fact that I use tanks more than I use my Wirykomi swarm launchers, your point is invalid.
But then again you never were good at making solid, irrefutable points
I may seem biased to some...
But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1181
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Posted - 2013.11.03 08:24:00 -
[159] - Quote
Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
Just because you have a HAV, doesn't make you a tanker, and it definitely doesn't make you a pilot.
And by that exact logic, owning a IAFG or an Wirykomi swarm launcher doesn't make you AV.
You all make it sound like using AV is difficult.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1389
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Posted - 2013.11.03 08:25:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
Just because you have a HAV, doesn't make you a tanker, and it definitely doesn't make you a pilot.
And by that exact logic, owning a IAFG or an Wirykomi swarm launcher doesn't make you AV. But I use my Av well, and I use it a lot. However..... 'looks at Atiim' Considering the fact that I use tanks more than I use my Wirykomi swarm launchers, your point is invalid. But then again you never were good at making solid, irrefutable points
I've been in several matches with you, yet never seen a HAV get pulled out, so I doubt that.
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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Spkr4theDead
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1181
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Posted - 2013.11.03 08:28:00 -
[161] - Quote
Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
Just because you have a HAV, doesn't make you a tanker, and it definitely doesn't make you a pilot.
And by that exact logic, owning a IAFG or an Wirykomi swarm launcher doesn't make you AV. But I use my Av well, and I use it a lot. However..... 'looks at Atiim' Considering the fact that I use tanks more than I use my Wirykomi swarm launchers, your point is invalid. But then again you never were good at making solid, irrefutable points I've been in several matches with you, yet never seen a HAV get pulled out, so I doubt that.
Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
301
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Posted - 2013.11.03 08:34:00 -
[162] - Quote
Spkr4theDead wrote:Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank.
Since I really do not know, what you are playing in this game besides MLT tanks and sitting in other people vehicles, I can not imagine how one can be scared of you. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1181
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Posted - 2013.11.03 08:55:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank. Since I really do not know, what you are playing in this game besides MLT tanks and sitting in other people vehicles, I can not imagine how one can be scared of you.
Why is it, with all your soul, fully believe that I'm not a tanker? I do not understand this. I've been defending tanks and tankers since Chromosome. Why would you possibly believe that I don't tank?
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
643
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Posted - 2013.11.03 08:58:00 -
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Little do they realize, their fitting layout change isn't what is going to get them ****** by every AV there is. The only reason- the absolute only reason- HAVs are able to lol through AV currently is due to the bugged armor repper. That gets fixed. All that eHP is worthless without something strong enough to repair it in seconds like it does now.
Enjoy being fodder.
I go commando in my Commando. Feels good, man.
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1389
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Posted - 2013.11.03 09:01:00 -
[165] - Quote
Kasote Denzara wrote:Little do they realize, their fitting layout change isn't what is going to get them ****** by every AV there is. The only reason- the absolute only reason- HAVs are able to lol through AV currently is due to the bugged armor repper. That gets fixed. All that eHP is worthless without something strong enough to repair it in seconds like it does now.
Enjoy being fodder.
as it seems, AV damage and range is getting nerfed. That means that I can just drive in, burn them to hell, then drive off before they kill me, repp up, then repeat.
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
643
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Posted - 2013.11.03 09:07:00 -
[166] - Quote
Godin Thekiller wrote:
as it seems, AV damage and range is getting nerfed. That means that I can just drive in, burn them to hell, then drive off before they kill me, repp up, then repeat.
You really underestimate the dedicated AVers. I'd like to see the non-repping HAV able to withstand two swarmers with AV grenades, both at proto. Please, when the update comes, show me the HAV that can.
I go commando in my Commando. Feels good, man.
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daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
302
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Posted - 2013.11.03 09:11:00 -
[167] - Quote
Kasote Denzara wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
as it seems, AV damage and range is getting nerfed. That means that I can just drive in, burn them to hell, then drive off before they kill me, repp up, then repeat.
You really underestimate the dedicated AVers. I'd like to see the non-repping HAV able to withstand two swarmers with AV grenades, both at proto. Please, when the update comes, show me the HAV that can.
HAV will be constantly repping 180 armor/sec with a complex armor repper.
Also, proto Swarms will be STD swarms. so lol |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.11.03 10:18:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
as it seems, AV damage and range is getting nerfed. That means that I can just drive in, burn them to hell, then drive off before they kill me, repp up, then repeat.
You really underestimate the dedicated AVers. I'd like to see the non-repping HAV able to withstand two swarmers with AV grenades, both at proto. Please, when the update comes, show me the HAV that can.
I'll just go outside of your 175m range, rep up, then come back.
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
561
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Posted - 2013.11.03 17:09:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
Just because you have a HAV, doesn't make you a tanker, and it definitely doesn't make you a pilot.
And by that exact logic, owning a IAFG or an Wirykomi swarm launcher doesn't make you AV. But I use my Av well, and I use it a lot. However..... 'looks at Atiim' Considering the fact that I use tanks more than I use my Wirykomi swarm launchers, your point is invalid. But then again you never were good at making solid, irrefutable points I've been in several matches with you, yet never seen a HAV get pulled out, so I doubt that.
You have? Hmm. Funny, because I always check the player list and send GG to forum users
And I don't use tanks all the time, currently I'm learning how to use PLCs, so I won't be using a tank.
Didn't I already post a link to a video with me in my tank? If not then you can find it here
I may seem biased to some...
But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
561
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Posted - 2013.11.03 17:14:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:
Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank.
The second you see my tank and you are a red dot is the second you'll wish that you never decided to become a tanker.
I can personally guarantee that you wouldn't walk away from the fight with your tank.
I may seem biased to some...
But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1181
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Posted - 2013.11.03 17:17:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank.
The second you see my tank and you are a red dot is the second you'll wish that you never decided to become a tanker. I can personally guarantee that you wouldn't walk away from the fight with your tank.
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
My tanks are PC grade. What, you're gonna use EZ-Mode AV on me instead of battling me with your own silly little tank?
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.11.03 17:17:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
Just because you have a HAV, doesn't make you a tanker, and it definitely doesn't make you a pilot.
And by that exact logic, owning a IAFG or an Wirykomi swarm launcher doesn't make you AV. You all make it sound like using AV is difficult.
You make it sound like using a mobile installation with infinite ammo is difficult.
When all you have to worry about is 4 weapons in the entire game and other mobile installations, it's really not.
I may seem biased to some...
But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
561
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Posted - 2013.11.03 17:19:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank.
The second you see my tank and you are a red dot is the second you'll wish that you never decided to become a tanker. I can personally guarantee that you wouldn't walk away from the fight with your tank. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL My tanks are PC grade. What, you're gonna use EZ-Mode AV on me instead of battling me with your own silly little tank?
No I'm gonna beat you in my tank, I'm just saying if you try to run away, i'll blow you up with swarms.
And for a "PC grade" tanker, you sure do cry a lot
I may seem biased to some...
But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1181
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Posted - 2013.11.03 17:28:00 -
[174] - Quote
Kasote Denzara wrote:Little do they realize, their fitting layout change isn't what is going to get them ****** by every AV there is. The only reason- the absolute only reason- HAVs are able to lol through AV currently is due to the bugged armor repper. That gets fixed. All that eHP is worthless without something strong enough to repair it in seconds like it does now.
Enjoy being fodder.
The ONLY thing keeping tanks alive through overwhelming OP AV is the strength of their reps (lol anyway) and the intelligence of their pilots.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
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Posted - 2013.11.03 17:28:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
as it seems, AV damage and range is getting nerfed. That means that I can just drive in, burn them to hell, then drive off before they kill me, repp up, then repeat.
You really underestimate the dedicated AVers. I'd like to see the non-repping HAV able to withstand two swarmers with AV grenades, both at proto. Please, when the update comes, show me the HAV that can.
Their AV is fire and forget. I'll respect them when they all start using forge guns.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.11.03 17:30:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank. Since I really do not know, what you are playing in this game besides MLT tanks and sitting in other people vehicles, I can not imagine how one can be scared of you. Why is it, with all your soul, fully believe that I'm not a tanker? I do not understand this. I've been defending tanks and tankers since Chromosome. Why would you possibly believe that I don't tank?
That's what I've been wondering about you , but then again I don't follow the "hive mind".
I may seem biased to some...
But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
561
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Posted - 2013.11.03 17:34:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Kasote Denzara wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
as it seems, AV damage and range is getting nerfed. That means that I can just drive in, burn them to hell, then drive off before they kill me, repp up, then repeat.
You really underestimate the dedicated AVers. I'd like to see the non-repping HAV able to withstand two swarmers with AV grenades, both at proto. Please, when the update comes, show me the HAV that can. Their AV is fire and forget. I'll respect them when they all start using forge guns.
This again?
Do you know how often swarms crash into a wall if the tank makes a turn? No.
Do you know that by the time you even finish locking on, you would get buttplugged by duvolles? No
Do you know how f****ing easy it is to use forge guns? No
Do you realize that blasters and missiles are the most easiest weapons to use in the game? No
Do you have a remote clue about what your talking about? NO!
I may seem biased to some...
But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.03 17:37:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
Just because you have a HAV, doesn't make you a tanker, and it definitely doesn't make you a pilot.
And by that exact logic, owning a IAFG or an Wirykomi swarm launcher doesn't make you AV. You all make it sound like using AV is difficult. You make it sound like using a mobile installation with infinite ammo is difficult. When all you have to worry about is 4 weapons in the entire game and other mobile installations, it's really not.
Of course using tanks is difficult. Packed Lai Dai do ~2000 against armor with no hardener. One volley of swarms with 2 damage mods does about ~3500 against armor without hardeners.
Do you really mean to tell me that it's hard to use AV with those numbers staring you in the face?
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
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Posted - 2013.11.03 17:38:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank.
The second you see my tank and you are a red dot is the second you'll wish that you never decided to become a tanker. I can personally guarantee that you wouldn't walk away from the fight with your tank. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL My tanks are PC grade. What, you're gonna use EZ-Mode AV on me instead of battling me with your own silly little tank? No I'm gonna beat you in my tank, I'm just saying if you try to run away, i'll blow you up with swarms. And for a "PC grade" tanker, you sure do cry a lot
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
You don't know what hardeners or resistances are. You're really saying you're going to beat a guy that's been cycling modules since Chromosome?
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.11.03 17:41:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank. Since I really do not know, what you are playing in this game besides MLT tanks and sitting in other people vehicles, I can not imagine how one can be scared of you. Why is it, with all your soul, fully believe that I'm not a tanker? I do not understand this. I've been defending tanks and tankers since Chromosome. Why would you possibly believe that I don't tank? That's what I've been wondering about you , but then again I don't follow the "hive mind".
So tanking is a hive mind, yet infantry has successfully had tanks nerfed through 5 builds now...
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.11.03 17:43:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank.
The second you see my tank and you are a red dot is the second you'll wish that you never decided to become a tanker. I can personally guarantee that you wouldn't walk away from the fight with your tank. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL My tanks are PC grade. What, you're gonna use EZ-Mode AV on me instead of battling me with your own silly little tank? No I'm gonna beat you in my tank, I'm just saying if you try to run away, i'll blow you up with swarms. And for a "PC grade" tanker, you sure do cry a lot LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL You don't know what hardeners or resistances are. You're really saying you're going to beat a guy that's been cycling modules since Chromosome?
I know what hardeners and resistance is. I just stick to F/45s
And considering how often you QQ about AV when I've seen tanks that require 4-5 entire clips of my PRO swarms to destroy, I highly doubt that you are a "PC grade" tanker.
Coupled by the fact that you use the most expensive crap possible on your tank in PUBs, and QQ some more about how it's not profitable, id consider you to be mentally challenged as well
I may seem biased to some...
But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
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Atiim wrote:
Do you know how often swarms crash into a wall if the tank makes a turn? No.
Yesterday I destroyed a Gunnlogi with MLT swarms.
Do you know that by the time you even finish locking on, you would get buttplugged by duvolles? No
See above. Also, why are you presenting a target? You have a 400m lock on range, and half the time they're invisible. Why are you getting so close?
Do you know how f****ing easy it is to use forge guns? No
Of course I know how easy it is to use forge guns, I have proficiency 3 and use my Ishukone quite often.
Do you realize that blasters and missiles are the most easiest weapons to use in the game? No
But they're not lock on, fire and forget, homing turrets, so by that alone, they're not easy to use.
Do you have a remote clue about what your talking about? NO!
I have more of a clue about what I'm talking about than you have about what you're spewing about.
I swear, you're one of those people that do self-mutilation if you don't like something about yourself. That's like cutting off your nose because it's not your interpretation of perfect.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Atiim wrote:
I know what hardeners and resistance is. I just stick to F/45s
And considering how often you QQ about AV when I've seen tanks that require 4-5 entire clips of my PRO swarms to destroy, I highly doubt that you are a "PC grade" tanker.
Coupled by the fact that you use the most expensive crap possible on your tank in PUBs, and QQ some more about how it's not profitable, id consider you to be mentally challenged as well
LOL If you knew what hardeners and resistance is, you wouldn't be using damage control units.
See aforementioned numbers AV grenades and swarms do against unprotected armor. The only way we can survive even pub games is by putting all the best stuff on it.
Why are you complaining that you can't solo a tank? How many times have us pilots had to tell you how to destroy us? If you're such a knowledgeable tanker, you should know how to do it quite easily.
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:
That's what I've been wondering about you , but then again I don't follow the "hive mind".
So tanking is a hive mind, yet infantry has successfully had tanks nerfed through 5 builds now...
No i'm referring to the fact that you and the other tankers refused to believe that I was a tanker because I said that AV shouldn't be nerfed the way their nerfing them.
And even after Evolution-7 posted a link to a YouTube video with my tank, people still said "No Atiim doesn't have a tank at all"
Then again, you could just be butthurt over the fact that you have to say something other that "rofl HTFU lukeboy you have no idea of what your talking about"
It's kinda pathetic
I may seem biased to some...
But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
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Posted - 2013.11.03 17:57:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:
I know what hardeners and resistance is. I just stick to F/45s
And considering how often you QQ about AV when I've seen tanks that require 4-5 entire clips of my PRO swarms to destroy, I highly doubt that you are a "PC grade" tanker.
Coupled by the fact that you use the most expensive crap possible on your tank in PUBs, and QQ some more about how it's not profitable, id consider you to be mentally challenged as well
LOL If you knew what hardeners and resistance is, you wouldn't be using damage control units. See aforementioned numbers AV grenades and swarms do against unprotected armor. The only way we can survive even pub games is by putting all the best stuff on it. Why are you complaining that you can't solo a tank? How many times have us pilots had to tell you how to destroy us? If you're such a knowledgeable tanker, you should know how to do it quite easily.
Hey herp derp do you realize something? Dmg control units offer half of what a hardner does in terms of resistance, but Dmg control units use high slots, meaning that I can boost my EHP while having 10% resistance to both shields and armor, meaning a total of 20% resistance, which adds up quickly
And tell me, am I honestly going to use those high slots for anything but an active scanner? Shield extenders? Please don't.
Funny how I use 400k tanks and typically get a 250-300k payout, meaning that even if I lose my tank I can just play one match without a tank and recover the loss of my tank, with a 1-200k profit at that. And my tank does just fine on the field, and with the use of my tank I have managed to save many other tanks' lives. Making my tank 3x as effective with the price
When you don't give a crap about your high slots, Dmg control units can make a huge difference
Also, what if you poured all of you hard work into your AV, and the tank had about 100hp left and some dumbf*ck with a MLT forge gun was to blow it up and take ALL the credit?
I may seem biased to some...
But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
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Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:
That's what I've been wondering about you , but then again I don't follow the "hive mind".
So tanking is a hive mind, yet infantry has successfully had tanks nerfed through 5 builds now... No i'm referring to the fact that you and the other tankers refused to believe that I was a tanker because I said that AV shouldn't be nerfed the way their nerfing them. And even after Evolution-7 posted a link to a YouTube video with my tank, people still said "No Atiim doesn't have a tank at all" Then again, you could just be butthurt over the fact that you have to say something other that "rofl HTFU lukeboy you have no idea of what your talking about" It's kinda pathetic
But you don't have an idea what you're talking about, you were destroyed by MLT missiles from a dropship. You also don't use resistances because any more than 2 modules is too hard for you. You're also not a tanker because of the crusade you're on against them.
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Atiim wrote:
Also, what if you poured all of you hard work into your AV, and the tank had about 100hp left and some dumbf*ck with a MLT forge gun was to blow it up and take ALL the credit?
I understand this is a team effort, and don't get angry over a "kill steal." If it dies, that's enough for me. I don't go apoplectic and suffer a stroke when a tank I was shooting at doesn't die. It's enough for me to chase it away for a minute or so, unlike all other infantry on here who understand nothing.
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Posted - 2013.11.03 18:08:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:
Do you know how often swarms crash into a wall if the tank makes a turn? No.
Yesterday I destroyed a Gunnlogi with MLT swarms.
Do you know that by the time you even finish locking on, you would get buttplugged by duvolles? No
See above. Also, why are you presenting a target? You have a 400m lock on range, and half the time they're invisible. Why are you getting so close?
Because at 400m 9/10 times, the swarm will just crash if it has to make a turn. And redline AV is so game-breaking that I refuse to do it.
Do you know how f****ing easy it is to use forge guns? No
Of course I know how easy it is to use forge guns, I have proficiency 3 and use my Ishukone quite often.
Do you realize that blasters and missiles are the most easiest weapons to use in the game? No
But they're not lock on, fire and forget, homing turrets, so by that alone, they're not easy to use.
By that logic, ARs are suddenly hard to use
Do you have a remote clue about what your talking about? NO!
I have more of a clue about what I'm talking about than you have about what you're spewing about.
Well you don't have PRO swarms, so no you don't have a better clue than i do
I swear, you're one of those people that do self-mutilation if you don't like something about yourself. That's like cutting off your nose because it's not your interpretation of perfect.
I may seem biased to some...
But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
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Posted - 2013.11.03 18:15:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:
Also, what if you poured all of you hard work into your AV, and the tank had about 100hp left and some dumbf*ck with a MLT forge gun was to blow it up and take ALL the credit?
I understand this is a team effort, and don't get angry over a "kill steal." If it dies, that's enough for me. I don't go apoplectic and suffer a stroke when a tank I was shooting at doesn't die. It's enough for me to chase it away for a minute or so, unlike all other infantry on here who understand nothing.
If I die 4 times and lose 200k taking out a tank and some nooberry with a MLT FG destroys it when it is at 100hp and gets all the credit, of course someone would be angry, heck even thinking about it makes me angry.
Why would I feel satisfied by "chasing it away for a minute or so"? Do you realize that if i simply chase it away then it's bound to come back a few minutes later? Do you realize that I get jack $#!t but a pat on the back for chasing off a tank for "a minute or so"?
Understand nothing? Maybe your just too biased to realize that AV is not 100% rofleasymode and that there are challenges they face when using AV.
I may seem biased to some...
But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
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Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:
Do you know how often swarms crash into a wall if the tank makes a turn? No.
Yesterday I destroyed a Gunnlogi with MLT swarms.
Do you know that by the time you even finish locking on, you would get buttplugged by duvolles? No
See above. Also, why are you presenting a target? You have a 400m lock on range, and half the time they're invisible. Why are you getting so close?
Because at 400m 9/10 times, the swarm will just crash if it has to make a turn. And redline AV is so game-breaking that I refuse to do it.
Do you know how f****ing easy it is to use forge guns? No
Of course I know how easy it is to use forge guns, I have proficiency 3 and use my Ishukone quite often.
Do you realize that blasters and missiles are the most easiest weapons to use in the game? No
But they're not lock on, fire and forget, homing turrets, so by that alone, they're not easy to use.
By that logic, ARs are suddenly hard to use
Do you have a remote clue about what your talking about? NO!
I have more of a clue about what I'm talking about than you have about what you're spewing about.
Well you don't have PRO swarms, so no you don't have a better clue than i do
I swear, you're one of those people that do self-mutilation if you don't like something about yourself. That's like cutting off your nose because it's not your interpretation of perfect.
I hope you realize that that is impossible, that tanks starting receiving the nerf bat because infantry didn't bother with AV.
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Hey Spkr4TheDead, maybe we should just make our own thread to argue in, because looking back at the OP, we kinda f***ed up this guy's thread.
I may seem biased to some...
But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
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Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:
Also, what if you poured all of you hard work into your AV, and the tank had about 100hp left and some dumbf*ck with a MLT forge gun was to blow it up and take ALL the credit?
I understand this is a team effort, and don't get angry over a "kill steal." If it dies, that's enough for me. I don't go apoplectic and suffer a stroke when a tank I was shooting at doesn't die. It's enough for me to chase it away for a minute or so, unlike all other infantry on here who understand nothing. If I die 4 times and lose 200k taking out a tank and some nooberry with a MLT FG destroys it when it is at 100hp and gets all the credit, of course someone would be angry, heck even thinking about it makes me angry. Why would I feel satisfied by "chasing it away for a minute or so"? Do you realize that if i simply chase it away then it's bound to come back a few minutes later? Do you realize that I get jack $#!t but a pat on the back for chasing off a tank for "a minute or so"? Understand nothing? Maybe your just too biased to realize that AV is not 100% rofleasymode and that there are challenges they face when using AV.
The only challenges facing AV are the ones the user puts on themselves.
I really don't understand the problem infantry has with not destroying a tank, but merely chasing it away. There's plenty of pilots better at driving than you are at using AV. If all AV was an insta-pop against tanks, do you really think anybody would use tanks? No, but then again, that's the whole end-game of infantry, to have tanks removed. Ask anybody I game with, my raging is legendary. But, I don't get angry when I merely chase away a tank instead of destroying it. You drive it off from pounding your team for a minute or so, that's not enough for you?
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Posted - 2013.11.03 18:48:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:
Also, what if you poured all of you hard work into your AV, and the tank had about 100hp left and some dumbf*ck with a MLT forge gun was to blow it up and take ALL the credit?
I understand this is a team effort, and don't get angry over a "kill steal." If it dies, that's enough for me. I don't go apoplectic and suffer a stroke when a tank I was shooting at doesn't die. It's enough for me to chase it away for a minute or so, unlike all other infantry on here who understand nothing. If I die 4 times and lose 200k taking out a tank and some nooberry with a MLT FG destroys it when it is at 100hp and gets all the credit, of course someone would be angry, heck even thinking about it makes me angry. Why would I feel satisfied by "chasing it away for a minute or so"? Do you realize that if i simply chase it away then it's bound to come back a few minutes later? Do you realize that I get jack $#!t but a pat on the back for chasing off a tank for "a minute or so"? Understand nothing? Maybe your just too biased to realize that AV is not 100% rofleasymode and that there are challenges they face when using AV. The only challenges facing AV are the ones the user puts on themselves. I really don't understand the problem infantry has with not destroying a tank, but merely chasing it away. There's plenty of pilots better at driving than you are at using AV. If all AV was an insta-pop against tanks, do you really think anybody would use tanks? No, but then again, that's the whole end-game of infantry, to have tanks removed. Ask anybody I game with, my raging is legendary. But, I don't get angry when I merely chase away a tank instead of destroying it. You drive it off from pounding your team for a minute or so, that's not enough for you?
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1458783#post1458783
I may seem biased to some...
But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
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Posted - 2013.11.03 20:32:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank.
The second you see my tank and you are a red dot is the second you'll wish that you never decided to become a tanker. I can personally guarantee that you wouldn't walk away from the fight with your tank. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL My tanks are PC grade. What, you're gonna use EZ-Mode AV on me instead of battling me with your own silly little tank?
Your tanks are PC grade but you can't fit basic fits I post in this forum, because you haven't put SP into Armor Plating 
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daishi mk03 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank.
The second you see my tank and you are a red dot is the second you'll wish that you never decided to become a tanker. I can personally guarantee that you wouldn't walk away from the fight with your tank. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL My tanks are PC grade. What, you're gonna use EZ-Mode AV on me instead of battling me with your own silly little tank? Your tanks are PC grade but you can't fit basic fits I post in this forum, because you haven't put SP into Armor Plating Srsly.
Do you want me to take pictures of my skill list? What the hell is wrong with you?
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You asked me to take pictures of my rail fit, because you said you can't fit it and it is impossible to fit O.o
Then you tell everybody, your tanks are PC grade ....
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daishi mk03 wrote:You asked me to take pictures of my rail fit, because you said you can't fit it and it is impossible to fit O.o
Then you tell everybody, your tanks are PC grade ....
What is wrong with you?
I don't fiddle much with fits, I use what works for me and stick with it.
And how could I have a PC-grade fit if I don't have armor plating to 5?
Stick to rail sniping behind your redline. That line separates the tankers from the scrubs.
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guys guys... your all pretty.. can we move on now?
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Spkr4theDead wrote:I don't fiddle much with fits, I use what works for me and stick with it.
And how could I have a PC-grade fit if I don't have armor plating to 5?
Stick to rail sniping behind your redline. That line separates the tankers from the scrubs.
I don't know what you call PC-grade ... your Soma isn't.
I love my railgun, inside and outside of my redline. But yeah, last time we fought with blasters you run your tank into a wall and popped it ... lol.
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daishi mk03 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:I don't fiddle much with fits, I use what works for me and stick with it.
And how could I have a PC-grade fit if I don't have armor plating to 5?
Stick to rail sniping behind your redline. That line separates the tankers from the scrubs. I don't know what you call PC-grade ... your Soma isn't. I love my railgun, inside and outside of my redline. But yeah, last time we fought with blasters you run your tank into a wall and popped it ... lol.
I think you're on drugs or something.
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I want to know why you so steadfastly believe that I'm not a tanker. Can you try to answer that?
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Spkr4theDead wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:I don't fiddle much with fits, I use what works for me and stick with it.
And how could I have a PC-grade fit if I don't have armor plating to 5?
Stick to rail sniping behind your redline. That line separates the tankers from the scrubs. I don't know what you call PC-grade ... your Soma isn't. I love my railgun, inside and outside of my redline. But yeah, last time we fought with blasters you run your tank into a wall and popped it ... lol. I think you're on drugs or something.
I sent you a mail "what happened" 07/09/13 21:01
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daishi mk03 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:I don't fiddle much with fits, I use what works for me and stick with it.
And how could I have a PC-grade fit if I don't have armor plating to 5?
Stick to rail sniping behind your redline. That line separates the tankers from the scrubs. I don't know what you call PC-grade ... your Soma isn't. I love my railgun, inside and outside of my redline. But yeah, last time we fought with blasters you run your tank into a wall and popped it ... lol. I think you're on drugs or something. I sent you a mail "what happened" 07/09/13 21:01 Want me to post your response? :D Edit: Reality sucks, eh?
All I replied was "Are you trying to troll me."
I don't see how that has any significance.
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Now you remember how you kissed the wall. |
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daishi mk03 wrote:Now you remember how you kissed the wall.
Uh, no, I remember major stuff, like you hiding behind the redline like a beaten dog because you didn't want to 1 v 1 a tanker, even though you got popped anyway multiple times.
Then there was that time me and Taka rushed you and blew you up with AV, because you have zero situational awareness, and again, were hiding slightly behind the redline with a railgun after getting destroyed.
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Uh, no, I remember major stuff, like you hiding behind the redline like a beaten dog because you didn't want to 1 v 1 a tanker, even though you got popped anyway multiple times.
Then there was that time me and Taka rushed you and blew you up with AV, because you have zero situational awareness, and again, were hiding slightly behind the redline with a railgun after getting destroyed.
After I shot your Gunnlogi, I got Taka with his rail from the back, while didn't even see me. Sadly, in the middle of our fight your Soma(?) arrived and started shooting on me .. that's what you call a 1vs1? lol
The bridge map I could have hid inside over the hills, but yeah, was just a Particle Acc. and I love how you recalled your tanks.
Edit: You call me beaten dog, I call you a fool if you go head on vs an even tank (taka) and something more (your soma in this case)
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daishi mk03 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Uh, no, I remember major stuff, like you hiding behind the redline like a beaten dog because you didn't want to 1 v 1 a tanker, even though you got popped anyway multiple times.
Then there was that time me and Taka rushed you and blew you up with AV, because you have zero situational awareness, and again, were hiding slightly behind the redline with a railgun after getting destroyed. After I shot your Gunnlogi, I got Taka with his rail from the back, while didn't even see me. Sadly, in the middle of our fight your Soma(?) arrived and started shooting on me .. that's what you call a 1vs1? lol The bridge map I could have hid inside over the hills, but yeah, was just a Particle Acc. and I love how you recalled your tanks.
What do you, record everything and play it over and over like a football coach, except to for your purpose it's to make your hate grow?
And I'm pretty sure the enemy AV was far more effective than you could ever hope to be.
And wow, a railgun destroying a shield tank, which it has a bonus against, so hard to do.
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Spkr4theDead wrote:What do you, record everything and play it over and over like a football coach, except to for your purpose it's to make your hate grow? And I'm pretty sure the enemy AV was far more effective than you could ever hope to be. And wow, a railgun destroying a shield tank, which it has a bonus against, so hard to do.
Sorry for being able to remember events correctly .. lol.
There was no AV at all.
All your pitiful attempts to insult me with your childish behavior, your imaginary facts and the redline takes are funny at least.
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hey...we are all supposed to be mad at AV...
U.play.good?
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lol no, only one who is mad all the time is SKR4LIFE
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Posted - 2013.11.03 21:32:00 -
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i learned about math
U.play.good?
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skippy678 wrote:i learned about math
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daishi mk03 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:What do you, record everything and play it over and over like a football coach, except to for your purpose it's to make your hate grow? And I'm pretty sure the enemy AV was far more effective than you could ever hope to be. And wow, a railgun destroying a shield tank, which it has a bonus against, so hard to do. Sorry for being able to remember events correctly .. lol. There was no AV at all. All your pitiful attempts to insult me with your childish behavior, your imaginary facts and the redline things are funny at least. As I said, do what you think is the best ... it is your tank that will explode. I will use every advantage I have.
The only advantage you use is sniping with a railgun behind the redline.
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daishi mk03
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Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.03 22:00:00 -
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skippy678
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Posted - 2013.11.03 22:48:00 -
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I saw Atiim in a tank today just sayin....
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daishi mk03
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Posted - 2013.11.03 22:49:00 -
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Spkr4theDead wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:What do you, record everything and play it over and over like a football coach, except to for your purpose it's to make your hate grow? And I'm pretty sure the enemy AV was far more effective than you could ever hope to be. And wow, a railgun destroying a shield tank, which it has a bonus against, so hard to do. Sorry for being able to remember events correctly .. lol. There was no AV at all. All your pitiful attempts to insult me with your childish behavior, your imaginary facts and the redline things are funny at least. As I said, do what you think is the best ... it is your tank that will explode. I will use every advantage I have. The only advantage you use is sniping with a railgun behind the redline.
If you redline snipe with a railgun, then your pathetic. End of story
Actually, if you redline snipe with anything, your pathetic.
To clear things up this is not directed at Spkie, but at daishi
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Posted - 2013.11.03 22:58:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:I saw Atiim in a tank today just sayin....
In a match?
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Atiim wrote:skippy678 wrote:I saw Atiim in a tank today just sayin.... In a match?
in a dom today....I feel a little like your tryin to poach my troll thread a little....lol
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Void Echo
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Posted - 2013.11.03 23:08:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:I saw Atiim in a tank today just sayin....
we all know he owns a tank, but hes not a tanker.
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Atiim
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skippy678 wrote:Atiim wrote:skippy678 wrote:I saw Atiim in a tank today just sayin.... In a match? in a dom today....I feel a little like your tryin to poach my troll thread a little....lol
Of course it's a dom. That's my favorite gamemode.
And watch as people flood in saying your lying and that I paid you to say this
Poaching? Maybe
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Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:What do you, record everything and play it over and over like a football coach, except to for your purpose it's to make your hate grow? And I'm pretty sure the enemy AV was far more effective than you could ever hope to be. And wow, a railgun destroying a shield tank, which it has a bonus against, so hard to do. Sorry for being able to remember events correctly .. lol. There was no AV at all. All your pitiful attempts to insult me with your childish behavior, your imaginary facts and the redline things are funny at least. As I said, do what you think is the best ... it is your tank that will explode. I will use every advantage I have. The only advantage you use is sniping with a railgun behind the redline. If you redline snipe with a railgun, then your pathetic. End of story Actually, if your a sniper, your pathetic. To clear things up this is not directed at Spkie, but at daishi
such harsh attitude to those who use their class's advantages..
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WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
The Ascendancy
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Posted - 2013.11.03 23:13:00 -
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skippy678 wrote:skippy678 wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:My eHP only dropped by about 550. Plus, the changes aren't coming until 1.7, and they said they aren't done buttfucking the Forges yet. They ran out of lube. They should be done with it shortly. Come at me Fair enough...you guys telling me that logibro didnt say that Forgs will stay the same? I will post the link if i have to..just own it that your stomping isnt quite all in the bank yet. they did...splash damage..this update..done. all you gotta do is say that they never said that forge's would stay the same. do it and then ill post the link.
splash damage isnt relevant to the forges use as an av weapon if you think it is your a scrub.
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Flix Keptick
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Posted - 2013.11.03 23:13:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:What do you, record everything and play it over and over like a football coach, except to for your purpose it's to make your hate grow? And I'm pretty sure the enemy AV was far more effective than you could ever hope to be. And wow, a railgun destroying a shield tank, which it has a bonus against, so hard to do. Sorry for being able to remember events correctly .. lol. There was no AV at all. All your pitiful attempts to insult me with your childish behavior, your imaginary facts and the redline things are funny at least. As I said, do what you think is the best ... it is your tank that will explode. I will use every advantage I have. The only advantage you use is sniping with a railgun behind the redline. If you redline snipe with a railgun, then your pathetic. End of story Actually, if you redline snipe with anything, your pathetic. To clear things up this is not directed at Spkie, but at daishi
That, I agree
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Gelan Corbaine
Sebiestor Field Sappers
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.03 23:44:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:
I understand this is a team effort, and don't get angry over a "kill steal." If it dies, that's enough for me. I don't go apoplectic and suffer a stroke when a tank I was shooting at doesn't die. It's enough for me to chase it away for a minute or so, unlike all other infantry on here who understand nothing.
What part of no kill = no pay don't you get ? You think AV does this out of goodness of their hearts ? We're mercenaries and we expect to get paid for work. You can chase a tank off all through a match but if you don't kill anything you are still going to get the lowest cut of the profits which wont even cover your costs in trying to fight that tank.
If AV is unprofitable then there will soon be no AV
No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
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Spkr4theDead
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Gelan Corbaine wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
I understand this is a team effort, and don't get angry over a "kill steal." If it dies, that's enough for me. I don't go apoplectic and suffer a stroke when a tank I was shooting at doesn't die. It's enough for me to chase it away for a minute or so, unlike all other infantry on here who understand nothing.
What part of no kill = no pay don't you get ? You think AV does this out of goodness of their hearts ? We're mercenaries and we expect to get paid for work. You can chase a tank off all through a match but if you don't kill anything you are still going to get the lowest cut of the profits which wont even cover your costs in trying to fight that tank. If AV is unprofitable then there will soon be no AV
You're one of those that doesn't understand that this is a team game, and that you're not going to get every kill. I understand and accept that, and as such I don't believe it unfair and that I'm being cheated if a tank escapes when I'm using AV.
You are the one that has a problem with a tank escaping, because you simply cannot accept that you just can't kill every single pilot you come across.
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Spkr4theDead wrote:
You're one of those that doesn't understand that this is a team game, and that you're not going to get every kill. I understand and accept that, and as such I don't believe it unfair and that I'm being cheated if a tank escapes when I'm using AV.
You are the one that has a problem with a tank escaping, because you simply cannot accept that you just can't kill every single pilot you come across.
Of course it's a team game ! I'm there to kill the tank , my team is there to kill those pesky guys around the tank who I'm much less effective against. If we both do our jobs right we both make profit . If I'm not there tank kills the team and no profit is made . If the team is not there guys around the tank kill me before I even make a dent and again no profit to be made .
What you are saying is even though I'm helping my team I shouldn't be paid for it because my income is tied to killing the tank yet I shouldn't be able kill that tank only "drive it off" . In a game where you have to buy everything you use how does that sound viable . Losing money to service the team is still losing money .
No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
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Spkr4theDead
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Gelan Corbaine wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
You're one of those that doesn't understand that this is a team game, and that you're not going to get every kill. I understand and accept that, and as such I don't believe it unfair and that I'm being cheated if a tank escapes when I'm using AV.
You are the one that has a problem with a tank escaping, because you simply cannot accept that you just can't kill every single pilot you come across.
Of course it's a team game ! I'm there to kill the tank , my team is there to kill those pesky guys around the tank who I'm much less effective against. If we both do our jobs right we both make profit . If I'm not there tank kills the team and no profit is made . If the team is not there guys around the tank kill me before I even make a dent and again no profit to be made . What you are saying is even though I'm helping my team I shouldn't be paid for it because my income is tied to killing the tank yet I shouldn't be able kill that tank only "drive it off" . In a game where you have to buy everything you use how does that sound viable . Losing money to service the team is still losing money .
Why are you getting close and presenting a target to the tank and its phalanx of infantry?
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Atiim wrote:Void Echo wrote:
its different when your on the subject of the new tankers coming in... how are we going to keep the class alive when all they do is get destroyed by people like atiim after the 1st 5 seconds they deploy.. basically never allowing them to actually enjoy the tanker class... I don't care about my own tank anymore, I just want the tanker class to survive, and its not going to survive unless the newbies get a reason to stick with the class, and that reason is NOT getting blown up the 1st 5 seconds.
And you think AV will survive as a class? When STD swarms only do 800 damage, no new player will ever want to use them And you say this as If all I want to do is to be able to kill everything I see in sight with the mere push of a button. I want balance just as much as the next guy, only problem is the way CCP is going about "balance" is going to make AV the hardest, most useless, and unused class in the entire game. If you can come up with better ideas, then I'll jump on the "balance" train. But from the majority of what tankers are saying will lead to a complete inbalance between Tanks and AV, causing much of the new playerbase to shift to tanking and not even thinking about AV.
I think that even with the swarms being nerfed Av will still do ok. Swarms just require no skill at all and have far too much range 400m is just too far the max range on a small turret is 300m so in order for a dropship crew to get kills they have to put themselfs in a kill zone range that they pretty much have no escape from. To really do some damage with a dropship you have to be in the 100-150m range anything higher and youll have to rely on splash damage. As far as swarms on tanks go I think the range and damage nerf is fair there are other ways to kill a tank. A squad of 6 Av players can lay 90 proximity explosives and you could use swarms to get tanks to retreat into those mine fields. You need to use each type of explosive and the best part is they all wont blow up just the tier of that explosive. I place 9 proximity explosives on my own because I need a nanohive. |
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it shows how much intelligence AV players have when HAV pilots tell them how to kill us.
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daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.04 07:15:00 -
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Atiim wrote:If you redline snipe with a railgun, then your pathetic. End of story
Actually, if you redline snipe with anything, your pathetic.
To clear things up this is not directed at Spkie, but at daishi
I won't even debate this topic with infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.11.04 07:18:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:it shows how much intelligence AV players have when HAV pilots tell them how to kill us.
Exactly
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Kalante Schiffer
Ancient Exiles
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y cant we just go back to chromosome? everything worked. heavies were decent, tanks where monsters, lasers where scary, shotguns where deadly two hit weapons, ar's had amazing range but could be countered because everyone else had amazing range too. |
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Mortedeamor wrote:skippy678 wrote:skippy678 wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:My eHP only dropped by about 550. Plus, the changes aren't coming until 1.7, and they said they aren't done buttfucking the Forges yet. They ran out of lube. They should be done with it shortly. Come at me Fair enough...you guys telling me that logibro didnt say that Forgs will stay the same? I will post the link if i have to..just own it that your stomping isnt quite all in the bank yet. they did...splash damage..this update..done. all you gotta do is say that they never said that forge's would stay the same. do it and then ill post the link. splash damage isnt relevant to the forges use as an av weapon if you think it is your a scrub.
that wasnt the the topic ..the topic was changes to the forge gun...and that was was changed....thats why you should read the whole thread man befor you start calling people scrubs...troll
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skippy678
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Posted - 2013.11.04 14:16:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:What do you, record everything and play it over and over like a football coach, except to for your purpose it's to make your hate grow? And I'm pretty sure the enemy AV was far more effective than you could ever hope to be. And wow, a railgun destroying a shield tank, which it has a bonus against, so hard to do. Sorry for being able to remember events correctly .. lol. There was no AV at all. All your pitiful attempts to insult me with your childish behavior, your imaginary facts and the redline things are funny at least. As I said, do what you think is the best ... it is your tank that will explode. I will use every advantage I have. The only advantage you use is sniping with a railgun behind the redline. If you redline snipe with a railgun, then your pathetic. End of story Actually, if you redline snipe with anything, your pathetic. To clear things up this is not directed at Spkie, but at daishi That, I agree
I think that you should do what ever works for you within the rules of the game.....honestly you CAN kill a redline sniper or railgun tanks......You just dont want to take the the time out of detroying starter fits to do so. if i go 30/0 with a charge from the redline it means the other team plays very bad...or good as i have seen many of the bigger corps leave me be and take the OBJ
....you guys should just say that you are no good at removing redline snipers..instead of complaining about somebody whos actually job is to shoot yu from far away...if you had a well balanced squad it wouldnt be a problem.
" I have no respect for those guys shooting you from ten feet away with an AR they must have no skill since they have to come so close to me"
Sounds pretty stupid dosent it...it does..man up
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daishi mk03
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Posted - 2013.11.04 14:17:00 -
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The word "scrub" lost every meaning in this forums.
Everybody is calling each other scrub .. you could say, they are all "scrubs".
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skippy678
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Posted - 2013.11.04 14:18:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:The word "scrub" lost every meaning in this forums.
Everybody is calling each other scrub .. you could say, they are all "scrubs".
Everybody who thinks this means anything, is lost.
I like troll better....
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chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate
Dark Taboo
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skippy678 wrote:Atiim wrote:Nah our HAVs are gonna be OP.
I'm so glad that PRO swarm launchers now do as much as STD swarm launchers At with a 150m lock radii I'm sure that dropship pilots will be able to have lots of fun too knowing that swarms can't lock on if they fly high enough :D
And when ADV and PRO tanks come, I'm gonna jump for joy at how little damage PRO Swarm Launchers will do! We will be invincible.
Now everyone will need a tank to beat a tank, because that's how it should be.
:D Do you even drive a tank??!?!?!
no he doesnt. hes just a pissed AVer who wants to solo-360 no scope call of dudez the best tankers out there.
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Gelan Corbaine
Sebiestor Field Sappers
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.04 14:43:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:
Why are you getting close and presenting a target to the tank and its phalanx of infantry?
Because not every map is Line Harvest with unassailable towers with a full view of the battlefield and it's not like we magically appear there at the beginning of the match when they do have them . Sometimes you have to move with your squad , moving from cover to cover to find the best point to strike your target and back them up which could even be uncomfortably upclose . Sometimes terrain simply won't be in your favor and you have to make due with what you got . Sometimes you'll have to evac when slayers scan out and swarm your hidey holes .
Whatever the case an AV trooper on the move is when he's at his most vulnerable . And the battlefield is never so static to make "not moving ever " a real option .
No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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daishi mk03 wrote:Atiim wrote:If you redline snipe with a railgun, then your pathetic. End of story
Actually, if you redline snipe with anything, your pathetic.
To clear things up this is not directed at Spkie, but at daishi I won't even debate this topic with infantry.
Well your in luck, because I am quite literally everything in this game, not just infantry.
And it is true, if you have to go to a safe zone to be effective or kill something, your pathetic.
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Atiim wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Atiim wrote:If you redline snipe with a railgun, then your pathetic. End of story
Actually, if you redline snipe with anything, your pathetic.
To clear things up this is not directed at Spkie, but at daishi I won't even debate this topic with infantry. Well your in luck, because I am quite literally everything in this game, not just infantry. And it is true, if you have to go to a safe zone to be effective or kill something, your pathetic.
actually...if your such a poor soldier that you would rather complain about redline snipers than kill them thats on you.....I just LOVE when i see a thales in the killfeed........i go get em...not you...you leave battle and complain n the forums.
if they can shoot you .....you can shoot them...(with the exception of some glitches) but even when they are on the mcc.
your continued posts just make you look like a poor player.
my squad says ...**** skippy, theres a damn charge in the redline...i go get em...sometimes it takes longer but i get them...get a damn sniper in your squad and you wont have a problem...thats the game dude....not just the free sniper fit either....spend some SP
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daishi mk03
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Posted - 2013.11.04 16:49:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Well your in luck, because I am quite literally everything in this game, not just infantry.
And it is true, if you have to go to a safe zone to be effective or kill something, your pathetic.
You are welcome to fight my tank and the one of a mate, alone, with your tank. Oh yeah, 4 other people of my squad will throw AV grenades. When?
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
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daishi mk03 wrote:Atiim wrote:Well your in luck, because I am quite literally everything in this game, not just infantry.
And it is true, if you have to go to a safe zone to be effective or kill something, your pathetic. You are welcome to fight my tank and the one of a mate, alone, with your tank. Oh yeah, 4 other people of my squad will throw AV grenades. When?
You need 5 more people to fight a tank in close quarters?
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daishi mk03
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Posted - 2013.11.04 16:57:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:Atiim wrote:Well your in luck, because I am quite literally everything in this game, not just infantry.
And it is true, if you have to go to a safe zone to be effective or kill something, your pathetic. You are welcome to fight my tank and the one of a mate, alone, with your tank. Oh yeah, 4 other people of my squad will throw AV grenades. When? You need 5 more people to fight a tank in close quarters?
He wanted a scenario, I gave him one.
As I said before, against some tankers it is enough to drive around a corner and let them hit the wall. Don't even need a tank for this, a Baloch is enough. |
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skippy678 wrote:
actually...if your such a poor soldier that you would rather complain about redline snipers than kill them thats on you.....I just LOVE when i see a thales in the killfeed........i go get em...not you...you leave battle and complain n the forums.
if they can shoot you .....you can shoot them...(with the exception of some glitches) but even when they are on the mcc.
your continued posts just make you look like a poor player.
my squad says ...**** skippy, theres a damn charge in the redline...i go get em...sometimes it takes longer but i get them...get a damn sniper in your squad and you wont have a problem...thats the game dude....not just the free sniper fit either....spend some SP
You make lots of assumptions in your arguments
1.) I am a sniper, and I am my own counter-sniper. You won't see me head glitching with a heavy suit holding a Thale
2.) I am not complaining about redline sniping, I'm just static how it's a cheap tactic. Kinda like corps that do nothing but spam Core Locus Grenades on top of PRO triage hives in PC Matches
3.) If you get counter-sniped, 9/10 times it's your own fault. You will almost never find me when I'm sniping. Heck, one time I even spent the entire match sniping directly under an enemy with a Charge
4.) If you don't have an NT-511 by the very least, your doing something wrong. You'd have to be a nut job to use the free sniper fits.
"That's the game dude"? So if I line up 16 corp mates with Freedom Mass Drivers and core locus grenades, on top of Ishukone Nanohives in a dom match and then say "That's the game dude" you would have no problem with that?
If I had my squad mates blow themselves up with Mass Drivers so I can rep them until we have enough points for an orbital strike, it would be perfectly okay because "That's the game dude"?
If you are going to defend cheap "tactics", then you may want to come up with something better than "That's the game dude"
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.11.04 19:06:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Atiim wrote:Well your in luck, because I am quite literally everything in this game, not just infantry.
And it is true, if you have to go to a safe zone to be effective or kill something, your pathetic. You are welcome to fight my tank and the one of a mate, alone, with your tank. Oh yeah, 4 other people of my squad will throw AV grenades. When?
You are a nut.
If you expect any tank to survive this than you need to be locked up in an Asylum like the rest of the nut jobs on these forums.
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daishi mk03
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Posted - 2013.11.04 19:10:00 -
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Atiim wrote:You are a nut.
If you expect any tank to survive this than you need to be locked up in an Asylum like the rest of the nut jobs on these forums.
So, wait .. you don't want me to snipe from my redline in such situations and you think no tank ever will survive this.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.11.04 19:15:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Atiim wrote:You are a nut.
If you expect any tank to survive this than you need to be locked up in an Asylum like the rest of the nut jobs on these forums. So, wait .. you don't want me to snipe from my redline in such situations and you think no tank ever will survive this. Now, what to do?
Fight... 1v1 The tank... Teamwork? (Like you hypocrite tankers always cry about)
There are ways to kill tanks without going into the kiddie safe zone.
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daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.04 19:35:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Fight... 1v1 The tank... Teamwork? (Like you hypocrite tankers always cry about)
There are ways to kill tanks without going into the kiddie safe zone.
Man ... this is no joke ... I start to think that there is a big difference between matches in EU and NA.
Yesterday:
Single queue Skirmish/Domination
I end up with 15 blueberries against one Academy Inferno squad + 10 redberries.
They got as usual 2 tankers and at least two more of them have Adv AV nades.
Neutron Blaster Mad and Missile Mad
What to do now, tell me?
Redline and snipe them both vs waste ISK on trying to go toe on toe against two coordinated tanks w/o help.
I tried the second thing several times, didnt work that good.
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CLONE117
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
449
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Posted - 2013.11.04 19:42:00 -
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or grab a cheaply fitted tank and get 2 guys with proto av in with u.
then have them jump and kill the tank.
they will never see it coming.
as they would be to busy shooting your tank. |
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daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
314
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Posted - 2013.11.04 19:46:00 -
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solo queue, blueberris shooting the mcc
I don't mind going with my blaster vs 2 tanks, if there is a squad behind me. |
skippy678
F.T.U.
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Posted - 2013.11.05 01:47:00 -
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Atiim wrote:skippy678 wrote:
actually...if your such a poor soldier that you would rather complain about redline snipers than kill them thats on you.....I just LOVE when i see a thales in the killfeed........i go get em...not you...you leave battle and complain n the forums.
if they can shoot you .....you can shoot them...(with the exception of some glitches) but even when they are on the mcc.
your continued posts just make you look like a poor player.
my squad says ...**** skippy, theres a damn charge in the redline...i go get em...sometimes it takes longer but i get them...get a damn sniper in your squad and you wont have a problem...thats the game dude....not just the free sniper fit either....spend some SP
You make lots of assumptions in your arguments 1.) I am a sniper, and I am my own counter-sniper. You won't see me head glitching with a heavy suit holding a Thale 2.) I am not complaining about redline sniping, I'm just stating how it's a cheap tactic. Kinda like corps that do nothing but spam Core Locus Grenades on top of PRO triage hives in PC Matches 3.) If you get counter-sniped, 9/10 times it's your own fault. You will almost never find me when I'm sniping. Heck, one time I even spent the entire match sniping directly under an enemy with a Charge 4.) If you don't have an NT-511 by the very least, your doing something wrong. You'd have to be a nut job to use the free sniper fits. "That's the game dude"? So if I line up 16 corp mates with Freedom Mass Drivers and core locus grenades, on top of Ishukone Nanohives in a dom match and then say "That's the game dude" you would have no problem with that? If I had my squad mates blow themselves up with Mass Drivers so I can rep them until we have enough points for an orbital strike, it would be perfectly okay because "That's the game dude"? If you are going to defend cheap "tactics", then you may want to come up with something better than "That's the game dude"
it is the game and it will keep happening no matter how any essays you write in the forum...in fact if you cant adapt you will be doomed to troll and lie about what you do in the forums for the rest of your life..oh wait...that happened like a week or two ago didnt it.
its a mechanic of the game. you are just an opinion, and a very poor one at that...
I honestly kinda tried to defend you a bit before but your ignorant statments are starting to get to me mad. go away man, nobody likes you.
when I do see you its gonna be a thales with 3xcomplexdamagemods....a proto logi with 4 armour plates, and there might just be 2-3 other dudes from my corp around doing the same thing...we will enjoy seeing your counter sniping with your nt-511 douche..youll only have to hit me 4 times and then when you decide to hide...orbi your head
prof..5...opt.5...reload5...ammo5...damp.5....I spent my first 15 million skill points in this game sniping come git..
you dont talk about sniping when im around, i learned my lessons in beta with people like AZNking and people that would dust you off for weeks at a time without you ever seeing them..A/V and tanks are something i am moving into a little right now wich is why i am here in this post with people like void echo and daishi...and even the less politically correct guys like SPKR4 and Godin...but at least everyone i mentioned here is exchanging facts and egit numbers...
WHY ARE U IN MY A/V THREAD TALKING ABOUT REDLINE SNIPERS!SHUTUPSHUTUP
U.play.good?
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