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Void Echo Blades of Dust 2047	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:07:00 - [1] - Quote OP you really shouldn't have done this, I mean come on... Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
Void Echo Blades of Dust 2047	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:24:00 - [2] - Quote skippy678 wrote: Void Echo wrote: OP you really shouldn't have done this, I mean come on... Honestly dude. I embrace change. I respect an honest opinion and real numbers. Tell me that there hasnt been posts from Godin here or Atim for 2 weeks about how they were gonna be OP..what maybe 10-15 between them? all the facts. not just the ones they wanna post. thats all. this is the one post wher a new player can say hey maybe i can blow up a tank. We have to believe CCP or not...which is it? I have to say that vehicles have been getting the short end of the stick for a while fair enough.....but you dont fix it by giving them an advantage for a bit to make it even. They are Balancing...and as long as I see the Tank Stomping threads I m gonna make my posts too. Im already proto evrything that pos a tank...I cant get better or worse at it....i am as good as it gets. whatever happens happens. but the truth matters guys. well, whatever gets you off.. I was just trying to warn you about the flames from an annoying troll and tankers that are staying in the game. but whatever Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
Void Echo Blades of Dust 2047	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:26:00 - [3] - Quote skippy678 wrote: surivability has a lot to do with the squad around you man. And i know some tankers that go all day without loosing a tank..go 25/0...make 3000 wp a match...if you think its fair to make these guys stronger? nobody does exet for the guy who is being greedy....Godin I am speaking about you and void echo with the above statement..you guys are the only people who i actually see in this thread that I recognize from the field as being good. therefore you understand that this is a balancing....they are trying to help junior tankers..and small vehicles...not help you guys stomp more... that's what I have been advocating for a year now, the new tankers and "juniors" need an incentive to continue with tanks, right now and for as long as I can remember, only the strongest of us can barely survive, everyone else gets annihilated. Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
Void Echo Blades of Dust 2047	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:27:00 - [4] - Quote Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: When I can't, I usually has more than 3 PROTO AV weapons on me, from places I can't hit. I've battled 4 HAV's at once and won. Get on my level. Yep if you solo 4 tanks simultaneously, they were all bad tankers who deserved death to begin with. And when you can kill 3 LAVs trying to play NFS: Muder Taxi Edition with a boundless proxy and then take out a gunlogi with a CBR-112 and some EXO AV ndaes, while being ripped to shreds by duvolles you you can say get on my level. 'Till then you can just GTF back in the academy. does PC or stacked pub matches count? because iv done that countless times lol.... I love my railgun Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
Void Echo Blades of Dust 2047	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:30:00 - [5] - Quote Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: I want a week with new AV numbers and current HAV stats. Just one week. We got 1 month left. Start saving ISK bro. Then, once the sun rises, all hell is breaking lose! Oh look, tank scrubs saying HAVs are gonna be so OP that even the strongest of swarms won't do jack $#!t to them. I can't wait for the next DUST.. I mean Tank 514 patch to happen :D how is his post in any way saying that tanks are going to be OP? all he said was save our ISK... seriously your addicted to putting words in people's mouths. Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
Void Echo Blades of Dust 2047	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:32:00 - [6] - Quote skippy678 wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: When I can't, I usually has more than 3 PROTO AV weapons on me, from places I can't hit. I've battled 4 HAV's at once and won. Get on my level. Yep if you solo 4 tanks simultaneously, they were all bad tankers who deserved death to begin with. And when you can kill 3 LAVs trying to play NFS: Muder Taxi Edition with a boundless proxy and then take out a gunlogi with a CBR-112 and some EXO AV ndaes, while being ripped to shreds by duvolles you you can say get on my level. 'Till then you can just GTF back in the academy. Wich server are you ATIM? what type of matches do you pla mostly? I would lve to know That i might get the chance to play you....I have my HD recorder ready.. um uploading a video as we speak, this time its going to work, il ink it somewhere. Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
Void Echo Blades of Dust 2047	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:33:00 - [7] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: By the little information you seem to have gleamed you have basically said they're loosing 33% of slots but only 7.4% PG. Also you haven't mentioned that active mods will be far more effective and most have no stacking penalties. Hell, I'm willing to give it an honest try I have an alt im building up on passive SP for this, if I don't like it, il get a recpec in this profile. Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
Void Echo Blades of Dust 2047	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:39:00 - [8] - Quote Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: When I can't, I usually has more than 3 PROTO AV weapons on me, from places I can't hit. I've battled 4 HAV's at once and won. Get on my level. Yep if you solo 4 tanks simultaneously, they were all bad tankers who deserved death to begin with. And when you can kill 3 LAVs trying to play NFS: Muder Taxi Edition with a boundless proxy and then take out a gunlogi with a CBR-112 and some EXO AV ndaes, while being ripped to shreds by duvolles you you can say get on my level. 'Till then you can just GTF back in the academy. It was really 6, but I only battled a max of 4. It was 2 Sags, a Soma, and a Sica, and then the other 2 was Maddy's. I was in a Suyra. Going god mode. Anywys, tr y fighting 3 Gunnlogi's and a Maddy with sleek AV nades and a wiki swarm (no hives, no PE's or RE's), and this is while unknown snipers and a full sq. of assorted Logi's, Heavies, and Assaulters are hunting you down, all while in a Scout suit. I win Scout G/1 series nothing but 2 Lai Dais and people with scrambler rifles while a heavy with a boundless is spraying and praying. Took out 2 madrugars and still lived to run away. As I said, GTF back in the academy and that is why we say balance doesn't exist. because any **** can do this. Closed Beta Vet** Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
Void Echo Blades of Dust 2047	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:44:00 - [9] - Quote skippy678 wrote: Void Echo wrote: skippy678 wrote: surivability has a lot to do with the squad around you man. And i know some tankers that go all day without loosing a tank..go 25/0...make 3000 wp a match...if you think its fair to make these guys stronger? nobody does exet for the guy who is being greedy....Godin I am speaking about you and void echo with the above statement..you guys are the only people who i actually see in this thread that I recognize from the field as being good. therefore you understand that this is a balancing....they are trying to help junior tankers..and small vehicles...not help you guys stomp more... that's what I have been advocating for a year now, the new tankers and "juniors" need an incentive to continue with tanks, right now and for as long as I can remember, only the strongest of us can barely survive, everyone else gets annihilated. but honestly Void....you cant tell me that your tank as it stands needs a buff..i have played you before and i dont think you do dude....lotsa people who have played you would agree. its just like drosuits...you gotta do your time dying...like i did....I was in beta 2 man and im making legit statements. its different when your on the subject of the new tankers coming in... how are we going to keep the class alive when all they do is get destroyed by people like atiim after the 1st 5 seconds they deploy.. basically never allowing them to actually enjoy the tanker class... I don't care about my own tank anymore, I just want the tanker class to survive, and its not going to survive unless the newbies get a reason to stick with the class, and that reason is NOT getting blown up the 1st 5 seconds. Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
Void Echo Blades of Dust 2047	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:46:00 - [10] - Quote skippy678 wrote: however me with my proto swarms and 3 complex damage mods profieciency 5 dosent even cause you to really move away....I have spent maybe 3 +million SP just to get that setup and againt you its a waste anyway... yeah well I spent 10+mil building up my tanks, of course im not going to go down easily. Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."

Void Echo Blades of Dust 2047	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:47:00 - [11] - Quote Atiim wrote: Yep, because my skill had absolutely nothing to do with that, and anyone within 2 minutes of play time would be able to do this. This is so common that it happens all the time Nice logic dude I should say the same things to you, according to your signature.. you ignored every single thing about balance we have ever argued over. Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
Void Echo Blades of Dust 2052	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:04:00 - [12] - Quote skippy678 wrote: Void Echo wrote: skippy678 wrote: however me with my proto swarms and 3 complex damage mods profieciency 5 dosent even cause you to really move away....I have spent maybe 3 +million SP just to get that setup and againt you its a waste anyway... yeah well I spent 10+mil building up my tanks, of course im not going to go down easily. but that said...they want balance...and making you 10+million guys tougher is not gonna work...after a couple weeks of crunching numbers and seeing what pro tankers like you are doing they are gonna nerf it again...we want the right balance not back and forth.. 1. then why do we have personal investment? 2. why is this game different from every single fps game out there? 3. why does Dust exist of personal investment shouldn't be a factor in anything? Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
Void Echo Blades of Dust 2052	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:06:00 - [13] - Quote skippy678 wrote: Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Yep, because my skill had absolutely nothing to do with that, and anyone within 2 minutes of play time would be able to do this. This is so common that it happens all the time Nice logic dude I should say the same things to you, according to your signature.. you ignored every single thing about balance we have ever argued over. And yu know what I am talking about void...your on the forums you have seen the "i cant wait to stomp" posts from Godin and ATIM...honestly I just want this game to be balanced...the right way these guys are builing up something way out of proportion...thats what this post was originally about....just a posting of the actual state of vehicle/infantry balance...I was here when tanks REALLY stomped and that was no fun either...i just want CCP to get it right...just like you...no matter what i know i cannot be any better equip to destroy tanks/vehicles than i am now...and ill keep doin my best. do u feel that there is a legitamint need for the tank stomping threads or do you feel that perhaps they are being inflted a little..this is for void.. I really don't care, iv stepped down from the argument, especially since there are no players here that aren't biased. Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
Void Echo Blades of Dust 2052	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:09:00 - [14] - Quote Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Yep, because my skill had absolutely nothing to do with that, and anyone within 2 minutes of play time would be able to do this. This is so common that it happens all the time Nice logic dude I should say the same things to you, according to your signature.. you ignored every single thing about balance we have ever argued over. My signature is based of the fact that 90% of people on this forum who agrued against me said that tanks should be the only counter to tanks. none of s have ever said tanks should be the only counter to itself, tanks are the logical biggest counter to tanks, av is just a side investment of people want to kill vehicles without skilling into vehicles themselves.. none of us have ever said Quote: only vehicles should counter vehicles, AV should not exist. once again your putting words in peoples mouth... if AV was the biggest hard counter to tanks, then why would be skill up into tanks? for the tank fights? those wont exist if av is better than vehicles at vehicle destruction. that's the way it is now and tanks are a joke. Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
Void Echo Blades of Dust 2052	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:19:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: its different when your on the subject of the new tankers coming in... how are we going to keep the class alive when all they do is get destroyed by people like atiim after the 1st 5 seconds they deploy.. basically never allowing them to actually enjoy the tanker class... I don't care about my own tank anymore, I just want the tanker class to survive, and its not going to survive unless the newbies get a reason to stick with the class, and that reason is NOT getting blown up the 1st 5 seconds. And you think AV will survive as a class? When STD swarms only doesn't 800 damage, no new player will want to use them And you say this as If all I want to do is to be able to kill everything I see in sight with the mere push of a button. I want balance just as much as the next guy, only problem is the way CCP is going about "balance" is going to make AV the hardest, most useless, and unused class in the entire game. If you can come up with better ideas, then I'll jump on the "balance" train. But from the majority of what tankers are saying will lead to a complete inbalance between Tanks and AV, causing much of the new playerbase to shift to tanking and not even thinking about AV. ask around, people will tell you that AV is too easy and not everyone wants it to be a class that every **** can use, people want fun, people don't want 2 joke classes. with tanks being buffed (not going to happen) and av being nerfed (not going to happen) balance will finally exist, tanks will be fun to rol with for once, and av will actually have a challenge other than trying to figure out which tower to get on. and what do you call this situation were in right now? balance? no its not balanced, in fact, balance doesn't exist here, av is far far more powerful than tanks at everything involving vehicles.... that shouldn't be the situation. Closed Beta Vet** Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
Void Echo Blades of Dust 2052	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:22:00 - [16] - Quote wait.... why am I even arguing with you again? your too biased to accept reality and see logic... whatever Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
Void Echo Blades of Dust 2052	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:44:00 - [17] - Quote Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: wait.... why am I even arguing with you again? your too biased to accept reality and see logic... whatever Because deep down inside you know that your biased tank scrubby POS logic wants to. You refuse to see things from the point of AV, and constantly deny that these AV nerfs will make swarm launchers useless. You are the embodiment of bias. if im a tank scrub, that makes you the most insignificant germ in the forums. Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
Void Echo Blades of Dust 2052	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:45:00 - [18] - Quote Atiim wrote: Actually, your "friend" that you told to STFU yesterday named Spkr4TheDead and a few others said that tanks should be the only counter to tanks. I'm not saying that AV should be the best counter to Tanks. I'm saying they should be more effective effective against them like they are now. I was the one that told you to stfu yesterday. Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
Void Echo Blades of Dust 2052	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:51:00 - [19] - Quote Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: wait.... why am I even arguing with you again? your too biased to accept reality and see logic... whatever Because deep down inside you know that your biased tank scrubby POS logic wants to. You refuse to see things from the point of AV, and constantly deny that these AV nerfs will make swarm launchers useless. You are the embodiment of bias. if im a tank scrub, that makes you the most insignificant germ in the forums. Quite possibly, and when it comes to Swarm Launchers, you are literally the most insignificant biased germ this forum has ever had the displeasure of getting sick from. lol im not biased, I actually listen to arguments and actually talk with people who aren't like you, maybe I am biased, but only when im around biased people like you. lolswarms deserve the nerf, av nades deserve deletion, forges need a change, tanks nee a buff. Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
Void Echo Blades of Dust 2052	Posted - 2013.11.02 20:07:00 - [20] - Quote Atiim wrote: So basically you said "I'm not biased, well maybe I am biased but only around you am I biased! I've listened and seen both sides, and I don't think you see what will happen if/when tanks become better than AV instead of being "equal". theyv never been equal dumbass, theyv always been on the screwed end of the deal, you would know this if you were here for a year or were actually a tanker. iv also been on both sides, av has no counter argument to balance that I can see, they have their heads far too up in the clouds because of the power theyv had for over a year. Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."

Void Echo Blades of Dust 2059	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:44:00 - [21] - Quote guys guys... your all pretty.. can we move on now? Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
Void Echo Blades of Dust 2060	Posted - 2013.11.03 23:08:00 - [22] - Quote skippy678 wrote: I saw Atiim in a tank today just sayin.... we all know he owns a tank, but hes not a tanker. Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
Void Echo Blades of Dust 2060	Posted - 2013.11.03 23:09:00 - [23] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: What do you, record everything and play it over and over like a football coach, except to for your purpose it's to make your hate grow? And I'm pretty sure the enemy AV was far more effective than you could ever hope to be. And wow, a railgun destroying a shield tank, which it has a bonus against, so hard to do. Sorry for being able to remember events correctly .. lol. There was no AV at all. All your pitiful attempts to insult me with your childish behavior, your imaginary facts and the redline things are funny at least. As I said, do what you think is the best ... it is your tank that will explode. I will use every advantage I have. The only advantage you use is sniping with a railgun behind the redline. If you redline snipe with a railgun, then your pathetic. End of story Actually, if your a sniper, your pathetic. To clear things up this is not directed at Spkie, but at daishi such harsh attitude to those who use their class's advantages.. Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."
Void Echo Federal Ground Deployment 2069	Posted - 2013.11.04 06:45:00 - [24] - Quote it shows how much intelligence AV players have when HAV pilots tell them how to kill us. Closed Beta Vet Level 2 Forum Warrior "In my experience love doesnt exist, only cold, dark betrayal does."