Well if you would like to find the thread you can see the maths, but basically until you add at least 2 plates, the hardner doean't increase you pseudo health better than a plate. As such when you only have 3 slots 2 plates and a repper is the most efficient layout for an armour tank under the new scheme!

Madrugar.Now
CPU-210
PG-2690
High Slot-2
Low slot-5

Madrugar.1.7
CPU-475
PG-2490
High Slots-2
Low slots-3

40% less low slots......less PG...Go ahead and try to make a Maddy fitting with the new numbers and see what comes out. All the numbers are on the vehicle blog...33% of swarms/AV dosent make up for your losses.

You guys keep posting untill the changes kick in. CCP has been bending you guys over for so long that you blow up when they throw a litte spit on you first...

Forge direct damage stays the same and your armour just dropped 40%(give or take) because of modules... Imagine 2 less hardeners? or 1 less plate and 1 less repper? comon...


I will wager that we see the tanker dudes that have been lighting up the forums with HAV power . crying like babies on the very same forum wich they publically displayed their inability to do do simple math within 48 hours of 1.7..

and i will link this post to every single one !

You know active armour harderners are supposed to be up at something like 40% or more res a pop right? Armour Repper as a passive, and armour plates you could put more than enough tank on a maddy to kick ass.

Throw down a couple of damage mods or something in the highs and you have an epic brawler tank.

Right now I run a cheap pub fit madrugar 80GJ Blaster, 2 carapace hardener, 1 heavy eff rep, 1 pg up, 1 180mm poly

1.7 I can run a fit with 80 GJ Blaster, complex 120mm plate, complex hardener, complex repper

I will loose a bit of max hp, trade my big repper for constant rep HOWEVER AV will do -30% damage

I'm happy




Edit: And don't forget that shield tanks will become viable, while being absolute trash right now. So, yeah, 1.7 is good and you are a troll :)

You know active armour harderners are supposed to be up at something like 40% or more res a pop right? Armour Repper as a passive, and armour plates you could put more than enough tank on a maddy to kick ass.

Throw down a couple of damage mods or something in the highs and you have an epic brawler tank.

a well tanked maddy will struggle to fit the active damage mods but if you sacrifice a bit of tank you will fit more gank,

Im not ganker by nature I take the shield over the sword anyday...... in this case the Hull over the Blaster.... GIMME MY ******* AMARR HAV!

also hybrid tanking will be a thing in 1.7 as a good shield booster will help a maddy tremendously by buffering damage allowing armour reps to do their work, light armour reps and plates might also be used on gunlogis to beef up the tank. 1.7 will bring much more variety in fitting options for the clever tanker and will thusly lead to more interesting engagements where tanks fufill roles like punching through enemy lines to playing point defence , havs will have to be much more specialised in their fittings/roles on the battlefield.

I went and did your math for you since you can mostlikely drive backwards but not add...

new maddy
cpu-475
pg-2490

the fiting you would put is complex 120plate/repper/hardner/80 g blaster...just those things cost

CPU-486
PG-2762

And You still got 2 small turrets and 2 low slots you havnt accounted for ??

are you vehicle electronics level12?

Thanks for doing math, but next time do it right.

Skill: "5% reduction to PG usage of vehicle armor modules per level"
and don't forget blaster fitting optimization

there is still place for stuff in the high slots, so no prob there.

congrats. 5% off that whole including the blaster is125-150 PG and the militia blasters for 2 are gonna add
136.4 cpu and 369.6 Pg....still sooooo far off

your claimed fit does not work...

Numbers aren't your thing, right? It's 5% per level of the skill, which translates into 25%.

Edit: I start to like you, you funny.

Numbers aren't your thing, right? It's 5% per level of the skill, which translates into 25%.

Edit: I start to like you, you funny.

so what do u have in your low slots? lets do the math right here...if you state the modules we can do the math together..but still we have 4 slots that i am assuming on or taking a guess??? you gonna leave your low slots empty? you really gonna have militia blasters? give the facts of the fit and the numbers wont be a problem no matter what i say you can just change your story of fit and change it....

2 highs
3 lows
1 big turret
2 small turrets

go...

and for arguments sake we will pretend that you have level 5 everything.

so what do u have in your low slots? lets do the math right here...if you state the modules we can do the math together..but still we have 4 slots that i am assuming on or taking a guess??? you gonna leave your low slots empty? you really gonna have militia blasters? give the facts of the fit and the numbers wont be a problem no matter what i say you can just change your story of fit and change it....

2 highs
3 lows
1 big turret
2 small turrets

go...

and for arguments sake we will pretend that you have level 5 everything.

don't forget in 1.7 you don't have to fit small turrets to your vehicles

Actually, it's HIGH SLOTS, which I didn't wrote anything about. Also, not MLT Blaster but STD Blaster

Blaster with fitting 5: 71 / 635
120mm complex plate: 126 / 896*0.75
complex hardener: 133 / 397*0.75
complex repper: 143 / 722*0.75
sum: 473 / 2146,25

Complex CPU Upgrade -475*0.15= - 71,25 / 0

This leaves 1 high slot for Nitro or a Scanner

I will never ever add small turrets to my tank, forever, since I hate those blueberries inside, shooting the mcc or doing ****.

Edit: You can also add 2 instead of 1 CPU Upgrades and fit 2 small blasters

Wait man, you told me my fit is not possible, you posted several times wrong calculations and now you are changing the question? (^.-) You so funny

im still doing my math..

Okay, let me know when you finished.

Edit: To answer your question about 1.7.

There will be plenty of different fits and viable shield tanks (finally). We will have really specialized tanks, anti-person, anti-tank, defensive, offensive, durable tanks, burst tanks, tanks which spike for seconds and create havoc ... this will be great

I personally think I will kill infantry at least as hard as I do now in 1.7 (mainly due to the reduced AV dmg) However, a single burst damage gunnlogi with missiles will kill me as hard as I kill infantry (finally! this will be great)

I dont think that ill ever be finished..but i can slowitup for a bit if your gonna spread some knowledge.

My tanks are squeezing right now ... that's nothing special but good fitting.

My next point is, I fitted a STD hull with defensive complex modules and only STD offensive modules/weapons.
I'm looking forward to ADV hull, which can be fitted even better.

Next, level 5 everything is normal for tankers. Tankers with less than 5m SP aren't doing any better today. The increase in power of tanks is exponential with SP .. I can kill 2 tanks with my tank today at once, if they are <5m SP tankers.

Also, small turrets really suck most of the time and now they are an option. Like i said earlier, 1 question is Scanner <-> 2 small blasters. Just take what you want .. I will take the scanner.

Yeah, tanks will rock 1.7 and will get slightly nerfed afterwards.

Edit: I will add detailed fittings in this thread later, taking the numbers from the official numbers thread.