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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 537	Posted - 2013.11.02 17:48:00 - [1] - Quote Nah our HAVs are gonna be OP. I'm so glad that PRO swarm launchers now do as much as STD swarm launchers At with a 150m lock radii I'm sure that dropship pilots will be able to have lots of fun too knowing that swarms can't lock on if they fly high enough :D And when ADV and PRO tanks come, I'm gonna jump for joy at how little damage PRO Swarm Launchers will do! We will be invincible. Now everyone will need a tank to beat a tank, because that's how it should be. :D It's sad when your forum life is so bad.... ...That you can't even mention the word "tank" without starting a $#!+storm
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 537	Posted - 2013.11.02 17:51:00 - [2] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: Nah our HAVs are gonna be OP. I'm so glad that PRO swarm launchers now do as much as STD swarm launchers At with a 150m lock radii I'm sure that dropship pilots will be able to have lots of fun too knowing that swarms can't lock on if they fly high enough :D And when ADV and PRO tanks come, I'm gonna jump for joy at how little damage PRO Swarm Launchers will do! We will be invincible. Now everyone will need a tank to beat a tank, because that's how it should be. :D Your HAV will still be ****, as you don't know how to drive at all. Yep I ding into 1 rectangular box that didn't even render properly and now all of a sudden I don't know how to drive. rofl @your logic Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks. AV should not do damage to us -Tanker's Logic
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 537	Posted - 2013.11.02 17:57:00 - [3] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: Nah our HAVs are gonna be OP. I'm so glad that PRO swarm launchers now do as much as STD swarm launchers At with a 150m lock radii I'm sure that dropship pilots will be able to have lots of fun too knowing that swarms can't lock on if they fly high enough :D And when ADV and PRO tanks come, I'm gonna jump for joy at how little damage PRO Swarm Launchers will do! We will be invincible. Now everyone will need a tank to beat a tank, because that's how it should be. :D Your HAV will still be ****, as you don't know how to drive at all. Yep I ding into 1 rectangular box that didn't even render properly and now all of a sudden I don't know how to drive. rofl @your logic uh huh, whatever Yep, coming from a guy who apparently can't survive an entire match in a tank, that's a real insult. Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks. AV should not do damage to us -Tanker's Logic
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 537	Posted - 2013.11.02 17:59:00 - [4] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: I want a week with new AV numbers and current HAV stats. Just one week. We got 1 month left. Start saving ISK bro. Then, once the sun rises, all hell is breaking lose! Oh look, tank scrubs saying HAVs are gonna be so OP that even the strongest of swarms won't do jack $#!t to them. I can't wait for the next DUST.. I mean Tank 514 patch to happen :D Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks. AV should not do damage to us -Tanker's Logic
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 537	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:03:00 - [5] - Quote skippy678 wrote: Atiim wrote: Nah our HAVs are gonna be OP. I'm so glad that PRO swarm launchers now do as much as STD swarm launchers At with a 150m lock radii I'm sure that dropship pilots will be able to have lots of fun too knowing that swarms can't lock on if they fly high enough :D And when ADV and PRO tanks come, I'm gonna jump for joy at how little damage PRO Swarm Launchers will do! We will be invincible. Now everyone will need a tank to beat a tank, because that's how it should be. :D Do you even drive a tank??!?!?! Classed and filed as "Low Quality Bait" Question has already been answered with video evidence. Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks. AV should not do damage to us -Tanker's Logic
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 537	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:14:00 - [6] - Quote skippy678 wrote: Atiim wrote: skippy678 wrote: Atiim wrote: Nah our HAVs are gonna be OP. I'm so glad that PRO swarm launchers now do as much as STD swarm launchers At with a 150m lock radii I'm sure that dropship pilots will be able to have lots of fun too knowing that swarms can't lock on if they fly high enough :D And when ADV and PRO tanks come, I'm gonna jump for joy at how little damage PRO Swarm Launchers will do! We will be invincible. Now everyone will need a tank to beat a tank, because that's how it should be. :D Do you even drive a tank??!?!?! Classed and filed as "Low Quality Bait" Question has already been answered with video evidence. I would tell u that I would blow you up in game, but i know you dont drive a tank...and i dont like killing starter fits if i can avodi it. I only use starter fits in ambush And you can watch me fail badly and almost destroy a dropship here TBH though I'm surprised that Spkr and Void didn't say "yeah I gotta video of his tank". The f*** am I saying of course I'm not surprised. I know you tankers will do anything to say "HTFU you aren't a tanker lukeoplast, go back to COD" It's a shame really Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks. AV should not do damage to us -Tanker's Logic
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 537	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:25:00 - [7] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: When I can't, I usually has more than 3 PROTO AV weapons on me, from places I can't hit. I've battled 4 HAV's at once and won. Get on my level. Yep if you solo 4 tanks simultaneously, they were all bad tankers who deserved death to begin with. And when you can kill 3 LAVs trying to play NFS: Muder Taxi Edition with a boundless proxy and then take out a gunlogi with a CBR-112 and some EXO AV ndaes, while being ripped to shreds by duvolles you you can say get on my level. 'Till then you can just GTF back in the academy. Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks. AV should not do damage to us -Tanker's Logic
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 537	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:31:00 - [8] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: You lost tanks to MLT missile launchers. Your point = invalid. In the video? I'm gonna go on a quick assumption and say that XT-1 Fragmented Missile Launchers are not MLT Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks. AV should not do damage to us -Tanker's Logic
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 537	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:35:00 - [9] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: When I can't, I usually has more than 3 PROTO AV weapons on me, from places I can't hit. I've battled 4 HAV's at once and won. Get on my level. Yep if you solo 4 tanks simultaneously, they were all bad tankers who deserved death to begin with. And when you can kill 3 LAVs trying to play NFS: Muder Taxi Edition with a boundless proxy and then take out a gunlogi with a CBR-112 and some EXO AV ndaes, while being ripped to shreds by duvolles you you can say get on my level. 'Till then you can just GTF back in the academy. It was really 6, but I only battled a max of 4. It was 2 Sags, a Soma, and a Sica, and then the other 2 was Maddy's. I was in a Suyra. Going god mode. Anywys, tr y fighting 3 Gunnlogi's and a Maddy with sleek AV nades and a wiki swarm (no hives, no PE's or RE's), and this is while unknown snipers and a full sq. of assorted Logi's, Heavies, and Assaulters are hunting you down, all while in a Scout suit. I win Scout G/1 series nothing but 2 Lai Dais and people with scrambler rifles while a heavy with a boundless is spraying and praying. Took out 2 madrugars and still lived to run away. As I said, GTF back in the academy Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks. AV should not do damage to us -Tanker's Logic
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 537	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:40:00 - [10] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: I want a week with new AV numbers and current HAV stats. Just one week. We got 1 month left. Start saving ISK bro. Then, once the sun rises, all hell is breaking lose! Oh look, tank scrubs saying HAVs are gonna be so OP that even the strongest of swarms won't do jack $#!t to them. I can't wait for the next DUST.. I mean Tank 514 patch to happen :D Not Jack ****. They'll still scare me away, just not as bad as now. Why would they scare me away? I already know that they wouldn't be able to kill me, so why wouldn't I go after them? Here's a tip: When someone knows that what you have can only scratch them, they won't be scared. Unless you are so butthurt that the sound of swarm launchers make you go cry and crap yourself in a corner. Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks. AV should not do damage to us -Tanker's Logic

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 537	Posted - 2013.11.02 18:42:00 - [11] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: When I can't, I usually has more than 3 PROTO AV weapons on me, from places I can't hit. I've battled 4 HAV's at once and won. Get on my level. Yep if you solo 4 tanks simultaneously, they were all bad tankers who deserved death to begin with. And when you can kill 3 LAVs trying to play NFS: Muder Taxi Edition with a boundless proxy and then take out a gunlogi with a CBR-112 and some EXO AV ndaes, while being ripped to shreds by duvolles you you can say get on my level. 'Till then you can just GTF back in the academy. It was really 6, but I only battled a max of 4. It was 2 Sags, a Soma, and a Sica, and then the other 2 was Maddy's. I was in a Suyra. Going god mode. Anywys, tr y fighting 3 Gunnlogi's and a Maddy with sleek AV nades and a wiki swarm (no hives, no PE's or RE's), and this is while unknown snipers and a full sq. of assorted Logi's, Heavies, and Assaulters are hunting you down, all while in a Scout suit. I win Scout G/1 series nothing but 2 Lai Dais and people with scrambler rifles while a heavy with a boundless is spraying and praying. Took out 2 madrugars and still lived to run away. As I said, GTF back in the academy and that is why we say balance doesn't exist. because any ****** can do this. Yep, because my skill had absolutely nothing to do with that, and anyone within 2 minutes of play time would be able to do this. This is so common that it happens all the time Nice logic dude Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks. AV should not do damage to us -Tanker's Logic
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 540	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:00:00 - [12] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: When I can't, I usually has more than 3 PROTO AV weapons on me, from places I can't hit. I've battled 4 HAV's at once and won. Get on my level. Yep if you solo 4 tanks simultaneously, they were all bad tankers who deserved death to begin with. And when you can kill 3 LAVs trying to play NFS: Muder Taxi Edition with a boundless proxy and then take out a gunlogi with a CBR-112 and some EXO AV ndaes, while being ripped to shreds by duvolles you you can say get on my level. 'Till then you can just GTF back in the academy. It was really 6, but I only battled a max of 4. It was 2 Sags, a Soma, and a Sica, and then the other 2 was Maddy's. I was in a Suyra. Going god mode. Anywys, tr y fighting 3 Gunnlogi's and a Maddy with sleek AV nades and a wiki swarm (no hives, no PE's or RE's), and this is while unknown snipers and a full sq. of assorted Logi's, Heavies, and Assaulters are hunting you down, all while in a Scout suit. I win Scout G/1 series nothing but 2 Lai Dais and people with scrambler rifles while a heavy with a boundless is spraying and praying. Took out 2 madrugars and still lived to run away. As I said, GTF back in the academy Someone weakened both of those HAV's for you. doesn't count. Try again. Nope. They were relying on base HP (I assume their hardners were down) As for the second one. I was the someone who weakened it. Try again Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks. AV should not do damage to us -Tanker's Logic
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 540	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:04:00 - [13] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Yep, because my skill had absolutely nothing to do with that, and anyone within 2 minutes of play time would be able to do this. This is so common that it happens all the time Nice logic dude I should say the same things to you, according to your signature.. you ignored every single thing about balance we have ever argued over. My signature is based of the fact that 90% of people on this forum who agrued against me said that tanks should be the only counter to tanks. Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks. AV should not do damage to us -Tanker's Logic
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 540	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:13:00 - [14] - Quote Void Echo wrote: its different when your on the subject of the new tankers coming in... how are we going to keep the class alive when all they do is get destroyed by people like atiim after the 1st 5 seconds they deploy.. basically never allowing them to actually enjoy the tanker class... I don't care about my own tank anymore, I just want the tanker class to survive, and its not going to survive unless the newbies get a reason to stick with the class, and that reason is NOT getting blown up the 1st 5 seconds. And you think AV will survive as a class? When STD swarms only doesn't 800 damage, no new player will want to use them And you say this as If all I want to do is to be able to kill everything I see in sight with the mere push of a button. I want balance just as much as the next guy, only problem is the way CCP is going about "balance" is going to make AV the hardest, most useless, and unused class in the entire game. If you can come up with better ideas, then I'll jump on the "balance" train. But from the majority of what tankers are saying will lead to a complete inbalance between Tanks and AV, causing much of the new playerbase to shift to tanking and not even thinking about AV. Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks. AV should not do damage to us -Tanker's Logic
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 540	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:32:00 - [15] - Quote Void Echo wrote: wait.... why am I even arguing with you again? your too biased to accept reality and see logic... whatever Because deep down inside you know that your biased tank scrubby POS logic wants to. You refuse to see things from the point of AV, and constantly deny that these AV nerfs will make swarm launchers useless. You are the embodiment of bias. Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks. AV should not do damage to us -Tanker's Logic
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 540	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:36:00 - [16] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Yep, because my skill had absolutely nothing to do with that, and anyone within 2 minutes of play time would be able to do this. This is so common that it happens all the time Nice logic dude I should say the same things to you, according to your signature.. you ignored every single thing about balance we have ever argued over. My signature is based of the fact that 90% of people on this forum who agrued against me said that tanks should be the only counter to tanks. none of s have ever said tanks should be the only counter to itself, tanks are the logical biggest counter to tanks, av is just a side investment of people want to kill vehicles without skilling into vehicles themselves.. none of us have ever said Quote: only vehicles should counter vehicles, AV should not exist. once again your putting words in peoples mouth... if AV was the biggest hard counter to tanks, then why would be skill up into tanks? for the tank fights? those wont exist if av is better than vehicles at vehicle destruction. that's the way it is now and tanks are a joke. Actually, your "friend" that you told to STFU yesterday named Spkr4TheDead and a few others said that tanks should be the only counter to tanks. I'm not saying that AV should be the best counter to Tanks. I'm saying they should be equally effective against them. Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks. AV should not do damage to us -Tanker's Logic
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 540	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:46:00 - [17] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Actually, your "friend" that you told to STFU yesterday named Spkr4TheDead and a few others said that tanks should be the only counter to tanks. I'm not saying that AV should be the best counter to Tanks. I'm saying they should be more effective effective against them like they are now. I was the one that told you to stfu yesterday. Yeah, I know. I was actually editing that post, as I worded it incrrectly Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks. AV should not do damage to us -Tanker's Logic
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 540	Posted - 2013.11.02 19:48:00 - [18] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: wait.... why am I even arguing with you again? your too biased to accept reality and see logic... whatever Because deep down inside you know that your biased tank scrubby POS logic wants to. You refuse to see things from the point of AV, and constantly deny that these AV nerfs will make swarm launchers useless. You are the embodiment of bias. if im a tank scrub, that makes you the most insignificant germ in the forums. Quite possibly, and when it comes to Swarm Launchers, you are literally the most insignificant biased germ this forum has ever had the displeasure of getting sick from. Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks. AV should not do damage to us -Tanker's Logic
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 540	Posted - 2013.11.02 20:00:00 - [19] - Quote SoTa PoP? wrote: Atiim wrote: I'm not saying that AV should be the best counter to Tanks. I'm saying they should be equally effective against them. I see a problem here from a tankers point of view. Why the hell is an item that costs a lot less SP and ISK ... as effective in AV as a tank? AV is a support role to begin with, it's not the ultimate tank slayer role - there's really no such thing. Do you think we'd need AV nades if 1-2 AV weapons was all a team needed to stop vehicles? Why? Because it is called AV. AV is not a support role, and I've never seen any in-game description that says it was. If AV was/is designed to be a support role, then why should anyone bother with them? Especially when I could just use a tank instead to own the other one. SP cost to make a decent tank is equal to the cost of making a decent AV (prof skills, reload, ammo, grenades, weapon, etc) Considering that the average AV dies about 3-4 times trying to destroy a tank, and a tank with completely basic gear costs 400k, The price matches up in my case If Tanks are miles ahead of AV then why would new players use them? Answer: They wouldn't. They would either get stomped or become tankers; thus creating a nightmare where everyone has a tank because everyone is afraid of getting stomped by tanks. That nightmare is know as "Tank 514" Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks. AV should not do damage to us -Tanker's Logic
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 540	Posted - 2013.11.02 20:03:00 - [20] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: wait.... why am I even arguing with you again? your too biased to accept reality and see logic... whatever Because deep down inside you know that your biased tank scrubby POS logic wants to. You refuse to see things from the point of AV, and constantly deny that these AV nerfs will make swarm launchers useless. You are the embodiment of bias. if im a tank scrub, that makes you the most insignificant germ in the forums. Quite possibly, and when it comes to Swarm Launchers, you are literally the most insignificant biased germ this forum has ever had the displeasure of getting sick from. lol im not biased, I actually listen to arguments and actually talk with people who aren't like you, maybe I am biased, but only when im around biased people like you. lolswarms deserve the nerf, av nades deserve deletion, forges need a change, tanks nee a buff. So basically you said "I'm not biased, well maybe I am biased but only around you am I biased! I've listened and seen both sides, and I don't think you see what will happen if/when tanks become better than AV instead of being "equal". Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks. AV should not do damage to us -Tanker's Logic

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 540	Posted - 2013.11.02 20:05:00 - [21] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: SoTa PoP? wrote: Atiim wrote: I'm not saying that AV should be the best counter to Tanks. I'm saying they should be equally effective against them. I see a problem here from a tankers point of view. Why the hell is an item that costs a lot less SP and ISK ... as effective in AV as a tank? AV is a support role to begin with, it's not the ultimate tank slayer role - there's really no such thing. Do you think we'd need AV nades if 1-2 AV weapons was all a team needed to stop vehicles? Why? Because it is called AV. AV is not a support role, and I've never seen any in-game description that says it was. If AV was/is designed to be a support role, then why should anyone bother with them? Especially when I could just use a tank instead to own the other one. SP cost to make a decent tank is equal to the cost of making a decent AV (prof skills, reload, ammo, grenades, weapon, etc) Considering that the average AV dies about 3-4 times trying to destroy a tank, and a tank with completely basic gear costs 400k, The price matches up in my case If Tanks are miles ahead of AV then why would new players use them? Answer: They wouldn't. They would either get stomped or become tankers; thus creating a nightmare where everyone has a tank because everyone is afraid of getting stomped by tanks. That nightmare is know as "Tank 514" If that's the case, then by that logic, Logi's and Scouts should act like Assaults, even though they are support roles. Oh wait...... The logistics class is a hybird of field medics and assaults. They are not support, but hybrids. And Scouts... Well i've got nothing to say here, I haven't been using scouts long enough to give an educated opinoin Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks. AV should not do damage to us -Tanker's Logic
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 544	Posted - 2013.11.03 01:35:00 - [22] - Quote Long Evity wrote: If you really can't figure out why it's important to have AV even if you can't solo a tank then all hope is lost with you Lol Why do people stack a third damage mod? Why do people choose scouts? Small differences make all the difference, and AV makes a much bigger difference then anyone could consider 'small' And if we're comparing how AV is handled in other games - it's usually accompanied by LMG or suppressive fire-arm. The list of AV being known as 'support' is probably much bigger then games that consider it a 'main' class. BF and CoD are examples where AV is considered a 'secondary' or even 'equipment' item. Regardless of all that, it makes no sense consider the cost and effect. Tankers wouldn't have a purpose if they can get pushed back by AV from 1 person spamming proto. It takes almost no SP to get proto Swarms compared to getting a tank to survive 3 shots from one, and this isn't even considering cost. It's just my opinion - but your idea of how balance works for AV vs Vehicle seems AV biased. And if you believe AV = Tank in SP cost do the numbers and show me. So you think this should be like BF and COD? God help us all There are many reasons why people want to solo with AV, the main one being the fact that you could rip a tank to shreds and reduce it to a smoldering pile of ash, and just when you are about to fire that last shot, some dumbf*uck with a MLT forge gun fires from out of nowhere and gets ALL the credit, leaving you with a little 75 WP, regardless of how much gear you lost. You don't even want to know how many times this happens. And again everything must be 100% EQUAL. So yes I think that AV should completely equal the strength and effectiveness of tanks. Considering that tanks can do more than one thing and all my swarms can do is kill tanks, this already doesn't exist. The new AV nerf renders STD gear worthless (doing only 800hp damage). Now you need to have PRO AV on the field to be useful (even in pairs of three). Thanks to this I can only see things going two ways: Wirykomi 514: A tanker's nightmare where everyone has PRO AV and pulls it out immediately to destroy a tank everytime it is called in, meaning that everyone will be lined up with AV before the tank even arrives. And I may not share all the opinions of tankers but I think we can all agree that it would be a living nightmare if everyone in his grandma had PRO AV every match. Nerfed or not. Tank 514: An infantry's nightmare where everyone doesn't want to use teamwork and go AV, and new players will skill into basic swarms, find that they only do 800 damage, and decide to become a tanker instead. And everyone will either let themselves become stomped by tanks, or get a tank themselves, leading to everyone and his grandma having a tank. And that would be all we see on the field. Everyone trying to spawn in as fast as possible so that they can get their tank in before the team quota reaches A balance of Wirykomi and Tank 514 would never happen, especially in a game like this, where FOTM players run rampant and people try to use the best gear and weapons possible. The Flaylock pistol is a perfect example of this. I wish that people wouldn't flock to something because it's simple better or because it's "easier". But that won't happen. I may seem biased to people who don't agree with me, but the only thing I want is 100% balance between the two. Also, I still don't think that AV should be support, It should be an alpha weapon capable of decimating tanks, But that's just my two isklets Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks. AV should not do damage to us -Tanker's Logic
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 558	Posted - 2013.11.03 07:46:00 - [23] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: So basically you said "I'm not biased, well maybe I am biased but only around you am I biased! I've listened and seen both sides, and I don't think you see what will happen if/when tanks become better than AV instead of being "equal". theyv never been equal dumbass, theyv always been on the screwed end of the deal, you would know this if you were here for a year or were actually a tanker. iv also been on both sides, av has no counter argument to balance that I can see, they have their heads far too up in the clouds because of the power theyv had for over a year. You love putting words in my moth don't you. I didn't say they were balanced, what I'm trying to say is that the changes should make them balanced, not give tankers a clear upper hand. You can stop with the whole "If you were really a tanker" crap. You yourself have a video showing me in my tank. Really? You have proto swarm launchers? No, you don't sorry. I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 558	Posted - 2013.11.03 07:56:00 - [24] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Just because you have a HAV, doesn't make you a tanker, and it definitely doesn't make you a pilot. And by that exact logic, owning a IAFG or an Wirykomi swarm launcher doesn't make you AV. I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 558	Posted - 2013.11.03 08:14:00 - [25] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Just because you have a HAV, doesn't make you a tanker, and it definitely doesn't make you a pilot. And by that exact logic, owning a IAFG or an Wirykomi swarm launcher doesn't make you AV. But I use my Av well, and I use it a lot. However..... 'looks at Atiim' Considering the fact that I use tanks more than I use my Wirykomi swarm launchers, your point is invalid. But then again you never were good at making solid, irrefutable points I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 561	Posted - 2013.11.03 17:09:00 - [26] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Just because you have a HAV, doesn't make you a tanker, and it definitely doesn't make you a pilot. And by that exact logic, owning a IAFG or an Wirykomi swarm launcher doesn't make you AV. But I use my Av well, and I use it a lot. However..... 'looks at Atiim' Considering the fact that I use tanks more than I use my Wirykomi swarm launchers, your point is invalid. But then again you never were good at making solid, irrefutable points I've been in several matches with you, yet never seen a HAV get pulled out, so I doubt that. You have? Hmm. Funny, because I always check the player list and send GG to forum users And I don't use tanks all the time, currently I'm learning how to use PLCs, so I won't be using a tank. Didn't I already post a link to a video with me in my tank? If not then you can find it here I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 561	Posted - 2013.11.03 17:14:00 - [27] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank. The second you see my tank and you are a red dot is the second you'll wish that you never decided to become a tanker. I can personally guarantee that you wouldn't walk away from the fight with your tank. I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 561	Posted - 2013.11.03 17:17:00 - [28] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Just because you have a HAV, doesn't make you a tanker, and it definitely doesn't make you a pilot. And by that exact logic, owning a IAFG or an Wirykomi swarm launcher doesn't make you AV. You all make it sound like using AV is difficult. You make it sound like using a mobile installation with infinite ammo is difficult. When all you have to worry about is 4 weapons in the entire game and other mobile installations, it's really not. I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 561	Posted - 2013.11.03 17:19:00 - [29] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank. The second you see my tank and you are a red dot is the second you'll wish that you never decided to become a tanker. I can personally guarantee that you wouldn't walk away from the fight with your tank. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL My tanks are PC grade. What, you're gonna use EZ-Mode AV on me instead of battling me with your own silly little tank? No I'm gonna beat you in my tank, I'm just saying if you try to run away, i'll blow you up with swarms. And for a "PC grade" tanker, you sure do cry a lot I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 561	Posted - 2013.11.03 17:30:00 - [30] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank. Since I really do not know, what you are playing in this game besides MLT tanks and sitting in other people vehicles, I can not imagine how one can be scared of you. Why is it, with all your soul, fully believe that I'm not a tanker? I do not understand this. I've been defending tanks and tankers since Chromosome. Why would you possibly believe that I don't tank? That's what I've been wondering about you , but then again I don't follow the "hive mind". I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 561	Posted - 2013.11.03 17:34:00 - [31] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: as it seems, AV damage and range is getting nerfed. That means that I can just drive in, burn them to hell, then drive off before they kill me, repp up, then repeat. You really underestimate the dedicated AVers. I'd like to see the non-repping HAV able to withstand two swarmers with AV grenades, both at proto. Please, when the update comes, show me the HAV that can. Their AV is fire and forget. I'll respect them when they all start using forge guns. This again? Do you know how often swarms crash into a wall if the tank makes a turn? No. Do you know that by the time you even finish locking on, you would get buttplugged by duvolles? No Do you know how f****ing easy it is to use forge guns? No Do you realize that blasters and missiles are the most easiest weapons to use in the game? No Do you have a remote clue about what your talking about? NO! I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 561	Posted - 2013.11.03 17:43:00 - [32] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank. The second you see my tank and you are a red dot is the second you'll wish that you never decided to become a tanker. I can personally guarantee that you wouldn't walk away from the fight with your tank. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL My tanks are PC grade. What, you're gonna use EZ-Mode AV on me instead of battling me with your own silly little tank? No I'm gonna beat you in my tank, I'm just saying if you try to run away, i'll blow you up with swarms. And for a "PC grade" tanker, you sure do cry a lot LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL You don't know what hardeners or resistances are. You're really saying you're going to beat a guy that's been cycling modules since Chromosome? I know what hardeners and resistance is. I just stick to F/45s And considering how often you QQ about AV when I've seen tanks that require 4-5 entire clips of my PRO swarms to destroy, I highly doubt that you are a "PC grade" tanker. Coupled by the fact that you use the most expensive crap possible on your tank in PUBs, and QQ some more about how it's not profitable, id consider you to be mentally challenged as well I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 561	Posted - 2013.11.03 17:48:00 - [33] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: That's what I've been wondering about you , but then again I don't follow the "hive mind". So tanking is a hive mind, yet infantry has successfully had tanks nerfed through 5 builds now... No i'm referring to the fact that you and the other tankers refused to believe that I was a tanker because I said that AV shouldn't be nerfed the way their nerfing them. And even after Evolution-7 posted a link to a YouTube video with my tank, people still said "No Atiim doesn't have a tank at all" Then again, you could just be butthurt over the fact that you have to say something other that "rofl HTFU lukeboy you have no idea of what your talking about" It's kinda pathetic I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 561	Posted - 2013.11.03 17:57:00 - [34] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: I know what hardeners and resistance is. I just stick to F/45s And considering how often you QQ about AV when I've seen tanks that require 4-5 entire clips of my PRO swarms to destroy, I highly doubt that you are a "PC grade" tanker. Coupled by the fact that you use the most expensive crap possible on your tank in PUBs, and QQ some more about how it's not profitable, id consider you to be mentally challenged as well LOL If you knew what hardeners and resistance is, you wouldn't be using damage control units. See aforementioned numbers AV grenades and swarms do against unprotected armor. The only way we can survive even pub games is by putting all the best stuff on it. Why are you complaining that you can't solo a tank? How many times have us pilots had to tell you how to destroy us? If you're such a knowledgeable tanker, you should know how to do it quite easily. Hey herp derp do you realize something? Dmg control units offer half of what a hardner does in terms of resistance, but Dmg control units use high slots, meaning that I can boost my EHP while having 10% resistance to both shields and armor, meaning a total of 20% resistance, which adds up quickly And tell me, am I honestly going to use those high slots for anything but an active scanner? Shield extenders? Please don't. Funny how I use 400k tanks and typically get a 250-300k payout, meaning that even if I lose my tank I can just play one match without a tank and recover the loss of my tank, with a 1-200k profit at that. And my tank does just fine on the field, and with the use of my tank I have managed to save many other tanks' lives. Making my tank 3x as effective with the price When you don't give a crap about your high slots, Dmg control units can make a huge difference Also, what if you poured all of you hard work into your AV, and the tank had about 100hp left and some dumbf*ck with a MLT forge gun was to blow it up and take ALL the credit? I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 561	Posted - 2013.11.03 18:08:00 - [35] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Do you know how often swarms crash into a wall if the tank makes a turn? No. Yesterday I destroyed a Gunnlogi with MLT swarms. Do you know that by the time you even finish locking on, you would get buttplugged by duvolles? No See above. Also, why are you presenting a target? You have a 400m lock on range, and half the time they're invisible. Why are you getting so close? Because at 400m 9/10 times, the swarm will just crash if it has to make a turn. And redline AV is so game-breaking that I refuse to do it. Do you know how f**ing easy it is to use forge guns? No Of course I know how easy it is to use forge guns, I have proficiency 3 and use my Ishukone quite often. Do you realize that blasters and missiles are the most easiest weapons to use in the game? No But they're not lock on, fire and forget, homing turrets, so by that alone, they're not easy to use.** By that logic, ARs are suddenly hard to use Do you have a remote clue about what your talking about? NO! I have more of a clue about what I'm talking about than you have about what you're spewing about. Well you don't have PRO swarms, so no you don't have a better clue than i do I swear, you're one of those people that do self-mutilation if you don't like something about yourself. That's like cutting off your nose because it's not your interpretation of perfect. I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 562	Posted - 2013.11.03 18:15:00 - [36] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Also, what if you poured all of you hard work into your AV, and the tank had about 100hp left and some dumbf*ck with a MLT forge gun was to blow it up and take ALL the credit? I understand this is a team effort, and don't get angry over a "kill steal." If it dies, that's enough for me. I don't go apoplectic and suffer a stroke when a tank I was shooting at doesn't die. It's enough for me to chase it away for a minute or so, unlike all other infantry on here who understand nothing. If I die 4 times and lose 200k taking out a tank and some nooberry with a MLT FG destroys it when it is at 100hp and gets all the credit, of course someone would be angry, heck even thinking about it makes me angry. Why would I feel satisfied by "chasing it away for a minute or so"? Do you realize that if i simply chase it away then it's bound to come back a few minutes later? Do you realize that I get jack $#!t but a pat on the back for chasing off a tank for "a minute or so"? Understand nothing? Maybe your just too biased to realize that AV is not 100% rofleasymode and that there are challenges they face when using AV. I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 563	Posted - 2013.11.03 18:24:00 - [37] - Quote Hey Spkr4TheDead, maybe we should just make our own thread to argue in, because looking back at the OP, we kinda f***ed up this guy's thread. I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 563	Posted - 2013.11.03 18:48:00 - [38] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Also, what if you poured all of you hard work into your AV, and the tank had about 100hp left and some dumbf*ck with a MLT forge gun was to blow it up and take ALL the credit? I understand this is a team effort, and don't get angry over a "kill steal." If it dies, that's enough for me. I don't go apoplectic and suffer a stroke when a tank I was shooting at doesn't die. It's enough for me to chase it away for a minute or so, unlike all other infantry on here who understand nothing. If I die 4 times and lose 200k taking out a tank and some nooberry with a MLT FG destroys it when it is at 100hp and gets all the credit, of course someone would be angry, heck even thinking about it makes me angry. Why would I feel satisfied by "chasing it away for a minute or so"? Do you realize that if i simply chase it away then it's bound to come back a few minutes later? Do you realize that I get jack $#!t but a pat on the back for chasing off a tank for "a minute or so"? Understand nothing? Maybe your just too biased to realize that AV is not 100% rofleasymode and that there are challenges they face when using AV. The only challenges facing AV are the ones the user puts on themselves. I really don't understand the problem infantry has with not destroying a tank, but merely chasing it away. There's plenty of pilots better at driving than you are at using AV. If all AV was an insta-pop against tanks, do you really think anybody would use tanks? No, but then again, that's the whole end-game of infantry, to have tanks removed. Ask anybody I game with, my raging is legendary. But, I don't get angry when I merely chase away a tank instead of destroying it. You drive it off from pounding your team for a minute or so, that's not enough for you? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1458783#post1458783 I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 576	Posted - 2013.11.03 22:57:00 - [39] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: What do you, record everything and play it over and over like a football coach, except to for your purpose it's to make your hate grow? And I'm pretty sure the enemy AV was far more effective than you could ever hope to be. And wow, a railgun destroying a shield tank, which it has a bonus against, so hard to do. Sorry for being able to remember events correctly .. lol. There was no AV at all. All your pitiful attempts to insult me with your childish behavior, your imaginary facts and the redline things are funny at least. As I said, do what you think is the best ... it is your tank that will explode. I will use every advantage I have. The only advantage you use is sniping with a railgun behind the redline. If you redline snipe with a railgun, then your pathetic. End of story Actually, if you redline snipe with anything, your pathetic. To clear things up this is not directed at Spkie, but at daishi Revive Repair Resupply & Team Spawn (It's what I do)
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 576	Posted - 2013.11.03 22:58:00 - [40] - Quote skippy678 wrote: I saw Atiim in a tank today just sayin.... In a match? Revive Repair Resupply & Team Spawn (It's what I do)

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 577	Posted - 2013.11.03 23:09:00 - [41] - Quote skippy678 wrote: Atiim wrote: skippy678 wrote: I saw Atiim in a tank today just sayin.... In a match? in a dom today....I feel a little like your tryin to poach my troll thread a little....lol Of course it's a dom. That's my favorite gamemode. And watch as people flood in saying your lying and that I paid you to say this Poaching? Maybe Revive Repair Resupply & Team Spawn (It's what I do)
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 596	Posted - 2013.11.04 15:05:00 - [42] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: Atiim wrote: If you redline snipe with a railgun, then your pathetic. End of story Actually, if you redline snipe with anything, your pathetic. To clear things up this is not directed at Spkie, but at daishi I won't even debate this topic with infantry. Well your in luck, because I am quite literally everything in this game, not just infantry. And it is true, if you have to go to a safe zone to be effective or kill something, your pathetic. Revive Repair Resupply & Team Spawn (It's what I do)
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 597	Posted - 2013.11.04 19:04:00 - [43] - Quote skippy678 wrote: actually...if your such a poor soldier that you would rather complain about redline snipers than kill them thats on you.....I just LOVE when i see a thales in the killfeed........i go get em...not you...you leave battle and complain n the forums. if they can shoot you .....you can shoot them...(with the exception of some glitches) but even when they are on the mcc. your continued posts just make you look like a poor player. my squad says ...**** skippy, theres a damn charge in the redline...i go get em...sometimes it takes longer but i get them...get a damn sniper in your squad and you wont have a problem...thats the game dude....not just the free sniper fit either....spend some SP You make lots of assumptions in your arguments 1.) I am a sniper, and I am my own counter-sniper. You won't see me head glitching with a heavy suit holding a Thale 2.) I am not complaining about redline sniping, I'm just static how it's a cheap tactic. Kinda like corps that do nothing but spam Core Locus Grenades on top of PRO triage hives in PC Matches 3.) If you get counter-sniped, 9/10 times it's your own fault. You will almost never find me when I'm sniping. Heck, one time I even spent the entire match sniping directly under an enemy with a Charge 4.) If you don't have an NT-511 by the very least, your doing something wrong. You'd have to be a nut job to use the free sniper fits. "That's the game dude"? So if I line up 16 corp mates with Freedom Mass Drivers and core locus grenades, on top of Ishukone Nanohives in a dom match and then say "That's the game dude" you would have no problem with that? If I had my squad mates blow themselves up with Mass Drivers so I can rep them until we have enough points for an orbital strike, it would be perfectly okay because "That's the game dude"? If you are going to defend cheap "tactics", then you may want to come up with something better than "That's the game dude" Revive Repair Resupply & Team Spawn (It's what I do)
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 597	Posted - 2013.11.04 19:06:00 - [44] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: Atiim wrote: Well your in luck, because I am quite literally everything in this game, not just infantry. And it is true, if you have to go to a safe zone to be effective or kill something, your pathetic. You are welcome to fight my tank and the one of a mate, alone, with your tank. Oh yeah, 4 other people of my squad will throw AV grenades. When? You are a nut. If you expect any tank to survive this than you need to be locked up in an Asylum like the rest of the nut jobs on these forums. Revive Repair Resupply & Team Spawn (It's what I do)
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 597	Posted - 2013.11.04 19:15:00 - [45] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: Atiim wrote: You are a nut. If you expect any tank to survive this than you need to be locked up in an Asylum like the rest of the nut jobs on these forums. So, wait .. you don't want me to snipe from my redline in such situations and you think no tank ever will survive this. Now, what to do? Fight... 1v1 The tank... Teamwork? (Like you hypocrite tankers always cry about) There are ways to kill tanks without going into the kiddie safe zone. Revive Repair Resupply & Team Spawn (It's what I do)

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