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daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 296	Posted - 2013.11.03 00:04:00 - [151] - Quote Madrugar: 2490 PG, 475 CPU, 4000 armor, 1200 shield Low slots: 120mm complex plate *896 PG 0.75 (skill) = 672 PG, 126 CPU, 1885 armor complex heavy repper 722 PG * 0.75 (skill) = 541,5 PG, 143 CPU*, 145 armor/sec 1,25(skill) = 181,25 armor / sec complex hardener *397 PG 0.75 (skill) = 297,75, 133 CPU High slots: Complex CPU Upgrade 0 PG, 0 CPU, adds 71,25 CPU Complex Fuel Injector 134 PG, 47 CPU Large Turret: 80 GJ Blaster, 747 PG * 0.85 (skill) = 634,95 PG , 84 CPU * 0.85 (skill) = 71,4** SUM: 2280,1 PG and 520 CPU (which works due to the CPU Upgrade we took) Tank has 5885 armor and 1200 shield, a hardener and 181 armor/sec rep. As I said, you can change the Fuel Injector into another CPU Upgrade and fit small turrets.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 544	Posted - 2013.11.03 01:35:00 - [152] - Quote Long Evity wrote: If you really can't figure out why it's important to have AV even if you can't solo a tank then all hope is lost with you Lol Why do people stack a third damage mod? Why do people choose scouts? Small differences make all the difference, and AV makes a much bigger difference then anyone could consider 'small' And if we're comparing how AV is handled in other games - it's usually accompanied by LMG or suppressive fire-arm. The list of AV being known as 'support' is probably much bigger then games that consider it a 'main' class. BF and CoD are examples where AV is considered a 'secondary' or even 'equipment' item. Regardless of all that, it makes no sense consider the cost and effect. Tankers wouldn't have a purpose if they can get pushed back by AV from 1 person spamming proto. It takes almost no SP to get proto Swarms compared to getting a tank to survive 3 shots from one, and this isn't even considering cost. It's just my opinion - but your idea of how balance works for AV vs Vehicle seems AV biased. And if you believe AV = Tank in SP cost do the numbers and show me. So you think this should be like BF and COD? God help us all There are many reasons why people want to solo with AV, the main one being the fact that you could rip a tank to shreds and reduce it to a smoldering pile of ash, and just when you are about to fire that last shot, some dumbf*uck with a MLT forge gun fires from out of nowhere and gets ALL the credit, leaving you with a little 75 WP, regardless of how much gear you lost. You don't even want to know how many times this happens. And again everything must be 100% EQUAL. So yes I think that AV should completely equal the strength and effectiveness of tanks. Considering that tanks can do more than one thing and all my swarms can do is kill tanks, this already doesn't exist. The new AV nerf renders STD gear worthless (doing only 800hp damage). Now you need to have PRO AV on the field to be useful (even in pairs of three). Thanks to this I can only see things going two ways: Wirykomi 514: A tanker's nightmare where everyone has PRO AV and pulls it out immediately to destroy a tank everytime it is called in, meaning that everyone will be lined up with AV before the tank even arrives. And I may not share all the opinions of tankers but I think we can all agree that it would be a living nightmare if everyone in his grandma had PRO AV every match. Nerfed or not. Tank 514: An infantry's nightmare where everyone doesn't want to use teamwork and go AV, and new players will skill into basic swarms, find that they only do 800 damage, and decide to become a tanker instead. And everyone will either let themselves become stomped by tanks, or get a tank themselves, leading to everyone and his grandma having a tank. And that would be all we see on the field. Everyone trying to spawn in as fast as possible so that they can get their tank in before the team quota reaches A balance of Wirykomi and Tank 514 would never happen, especially in a game like this, where FOTM players run rampant and people try to use the best gear and weapons possible. The Flaylock pistol is a perfect example of this. I wish that people wouldn't flock to something because it's simple better or because it's "easier". But that won't happen. I may seem biased to people who don't agree with me, but the only thing I want is 100% balance between the two. Also, I still don't think that AV should be support, It should be an alpha weapon capable of decimating tanks, But that's just my two isklets Tanks should be the only counter to other tanks. AV should not do damage to us -Tanker's Logic
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1386	Posted - 2013.11.03 07:09:00 - [153] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: We getting a vehicle respec right? Most likely yea, because they changed the entire skill tree. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 558	Posted - 2013.11.03 07:46:00 - [154] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: So basically you said "I'm not biased, well maybe I am biased but only around you am I biased! I've listened and seen both sides, and I don't think you see what will happen if/when tanks become better than AV instead of being "equal". theyv never been equal dumbass, theyv always been on the screwed end of the deal, you would know this if you were here for a year or were actually a tanker. iv also been on both sides, av has no counter argument to balance that I can see, they have their heads far too up in the clouds because of the power theyv had for over a year. You love putting words in my moth don't you. I didn't say they were balanced, what I'm trying to say is that the changes should make them balanced, not give tankers a clear upper hand. You can stop with the whole "If you were really a tanker" crap. You yourself have a video showing me in my tank. Really? You have proto swarm launchers? No, you don't sorry. I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1386	Posted - 2013.11.03 07:53:00 - [155] - Quote Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: So basically you said "I'm not biased, well maybe I am biased but only around you am I biased! I've listened and seen both sides, and I don't think you see what will happen if/when tanks become better than AV instead of being "equal". theyv never been equal dumbass, theyv always been on the screwed end of the deal, you would know this if you were here for a year or were actually a tanker. iv also been on both sides, av has no counter argument to balance that I can see, they have their heads far too up in the clouds because of the power theyv had for over a year. You love putting words in my moth don't you. I didn't say they were balanced, what I'm trying to say is that the changes should make them balanced, not give tankers a clear upper hand. You can stop with the whole "If you were really a tanker" crap. You yourself have a video showing me in my tank. Really? You have proto swarm launchers? No, you don't sorry. Just because you have a HAV, doesn't make you a tanker, and it definitely doesn't make you a pilot. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 558	Posted - 2013.11.03 07:56:00 - [156] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Just because you have a HAV, doesn't make you a tanker, and it definitely doesn't make you a pilot. And by that exact logic, owning a IAFG or an Wirykomi swarm launcher doesn't make you AV. I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1387	Posted - 2013.11.03 08:11:00 - [157] - Quote Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Just because you have a HAV, doesn't make you a tanker, and it definitely doesn't make you a pilot. And by that exact logic, owning a IAFG or an Wirykomi swarm launcher doesn't make you AV. But I use my Av well, and I use it a lot. However..... 'looks at Atiim' 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 558	Posted - 2013.11.03 08:14:00 - [158] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Just because you have a HAV, doesn't make you a tanker, and it definitely doesn't make you a pilot. And by that exact logic, owning a IAFG or an Wirykomi swarm launcher doesn't make you AV. But I use my Av well, and I use it a lot. However..... 'looks at Atiim' Considering the fact that I use tanks more than I use my Wirykomi swarm launchers, your point is invalid. But then again you never were good at making solid, irrefutable points I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1181	Posted - 2013.11.03 08:24:00 - [159] - Quote Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Just because you have a HAV, doesn't make you a tanker, and it definitely doesn't make you a pilot. And by that exact logic, owning a IAFG or an Wirykomi swarm launcher doesn't make you AV. You all make it sound like using AV is difficult. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1389	Posted - 2013.11.03 08:25:00 - [160] - Quote Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Just because you have a HAV, doesn't make you a tanker, and it definitely doesn't make you a pilot. And by that exact logic, owning a IAFG or an Wirykomi swarm launcher doesn't make you AV. But I use my Av well, and I use it a lot. However..... 'looks at Atiim' Considering the fact that I use tanks more than I use my Wirykomi swarm launchers, your point is invalid. But then again you never were good at making solid, irrefutable points I've been in several matches with you, yet never seen a HAV get pulled out, so I doubt that. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1181	Posted - 2013.11.03 08:28:00 - [161] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Just because you have a HAV, doesn't make you a tanker, and it definitely doesn't make you a pilot. And by that exact logic, owning a IAFG or an Wirykomi swarm launcher doesn't make you AV. But I use my Av well, and I use it a lot. However..... 'looks at Atiim' Considering the fact that I use tanks more than I use my Wirykomi swarm launchers, your point is invalid. But then again you never were good at making solid, irrefutable points I've been in several matches with you, yet never seen a HAV get pulled out, so I doubt that. Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 301	Posted - 2013.11.03 08:34:00 - [162] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank. Since I really do not know, what you are playing in this game besides MLT tanks and sitting in other people vehicles, I can not imagine how one can be scared of you.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1181	Posted - 2013.11.03 08:55:00 - [163] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank. Since I really do not know, what you are playing in this game besides MLT tanks and sitting in other people vehicles, I can not imagine how one can be scared of you. Why is it, with all your soul, fully believe that I'm not a tanker? I do not understand this. I've been defending tanks and tankers since Chromosome. Why would you possibly believe that I don't tank? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 643	Posted - 2013.11.03 08:58:00 - [164] - Quote Little do they realize, their fitting layout change isn't what is going to get them **** by every AV there is. The only reason- the absolute only reason- HAVs are able to lol through AV currently is due to the bugged armor repper. That gets fixed.** All that eHP is worthless without something strong enough to repair it in seconds like it does now. Enjoy being fodder. I go commando in my Commando. Feels good, man.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1389	Posted - 2013.11.03 09:01:00 - [165] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: Little do they realize, their fitting layout change isn't what is going to get them **** by every AV there is. The only reason- the absolute only reason- HAVs are able to lol through AV currently is due to the bugged armor repper. That gets fixed.** All that eHP is worthless without something strong enough to repair it in seconds like it does now. Enjoy being fodder. as it seems, AV damage and range is getting nerfed. That means that I can just drive in, burn them to hell, then drive off before they kill me, repp up, then repeat. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 643	Posted - 2013.11.03 09:07:00 - [166] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: as it seems, AV damage and range is getting nerfed. That means that I can just drive in, burn them to hell, then drive off before they kill me, repp up, then repeat. You really underestimate the dedicated AVers. I'd like to see the non-repping HAV able to withstand two swarmers with AV grenades, both at proto. Please, when the update comes, show me the HAV that can. I go commando in my Commando. Feels good, man.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 302	Posted - 2013.11.03 09:11:00 - [167] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: as it seems, AV damage and range is getting nerfed. That means that I can just drive in, burn them to hell, then drive off before they kill me, repp up, then repeat. You really underestimate the dedicated AVers. I'd like to see the non-repping HAV able to withstand two swarmers with AV grenades, both at proto. Please, when the update comes, show me the HAV that can. HAV will be constantly repping 180 armor/sec with a complex armor repper. Also, proto Swarms will be STD swarms. so lol
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1389	Posted - 2013.11.03 10:18:00 - [168] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: as it seems, AV damage and range is getting nerfed. That means that I can just drive in, burn them to hell, then drive off before they kill me, repp up, then repeat. You really underestimate the dedicated AVers. I'd like to see the non-repping HAV able to withstand two swarmers with AV grenades, both at proto. Please, when the update comes, show me the HAV that can. I'll just go outside of your 175m range, rep up, then come back. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 561	Posted - 2013.11.03 17:09:00 - [169] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Just because you have a HAV, doesn't make you a tanker, and it definitely doesn't make you a pilot. And by that exact logic, owning a IAFG or an Wirykomi swarm launcher doesn't make you AV. But I use my Av well, and I use it a lot. However..... 'looks at Atiim' Considering the fact that I use tanks more than I use my Wirykomi swarm launchers, your point is invalid. But then again you never were good at making solid, irrefutable points I've been in several matches with you, yet never seen a HAV get pulled out, so I doubt that. You have? Hmm. Funny, because I always check the player list and send GG to forum users And I don't use tanks all the time, currently I'm learning how to use PLCs, so I won't be using a tank. Didn't I already post a link to a video with me in my tank? If not then you can find it here I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 561	Posted - 2013.11.03 17:14:00 - [170] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank. The second you see my tank and you are a red dot is the second you'll wish that you never decided to become a tanker. I can personally guarantee that you wouldn't walk away from the fight with your tank. I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1181	Posted - 2013.11.03 17:17:00 - [171] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank. The second you see my tank and you are a red dot is the second you'll wish that you never decided to become a tanker. I can personally guarantee that you wouldn't walk away from the fight with your tank. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL My tanks are PC grade. What, you're gonna use EZ-Mode AV on me instead of battling me with your own silly little tank? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 561	Posted - 2013.11.03 17:17:00 - [172] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Just because you have a HAV, doesn't make you a tanker, and it definitely doesn't make you a pilot. And by that exact logic, owning a IAFG or an Wirykomi swarm launcher doesn't make you AV. You all make it sound like using AV is difficult. You make it sound like using a mobile installation with infinite ammo is difficult. When all you have to worry about is 4 weapons in the entire game and other mobile installations, it's really not. I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 561	Posted - 2013.11.03 17:19:00 - [173] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank. The second you see my tank and you are a red dot is the second you'll wish that you never decided to become a tanker. I can personally guarantee that you wouldn't walk away from the fight with your tank. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL My tanks are PC grade. What, you're gonna use EZ-Mode AV on me instead of battling me with your own silly little tank? No I'm gonna beat you in my tank, I'm just saying if you try to run away, i'll blow you up with swarms. And for a "PC grade" tanker, you sure do cry a lot I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1181	Posted - 2013.11.03 17:28:00 - [174] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: Little do they realize, their fitting layout change isn't what is going to get them **** by every AV there is. The only reason- the absolute only reason- HAVs are able to lol through AV currently is due to the bugged armor repper. That gets fixed.** All that eHP is worthless without something strong enough to repair it in seconds like it does now. Enjoy being fodder. The ONLY thing keeping tanks alive through overwhelming OP AV is the strength of their reps (lol anyway) and the intelligence of their pilots. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1181	Posted - 2013.11.03 17:28:00 - [175] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: as it seems, AV damage and range is getting nerfed. That means that I can just drive in, burn them to hell, then drive off before they kill me, repp up, then repeat. You really underestimate the dedicated AVers. I'd like to see the non-repping HAV able to withstand two swarmers with AV grenades, both at proto. Please, when the update comes, show me the HAV that can. Their AV is fire and forget. I'll respect them when they all start using forge guns. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 561	Posted - 2013.11.03 17:30:00 - [176] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank. Since I really do not know, what you are playing in this game besides MLT tanks and sitting in other people vehicles, I can not imagine how one can be scared of you. Why is it, with all your soul, fully believe that I'm not a tanker? I do not understand this. I've been defending tanks and tankers since Chromosome. Why would you possibly believe that I don't tank? That's what I've been wondering about you , but then again I don't follow the "hive mind". I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 561	Posted - 2013.11.03 17:34:00 - [177] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: as it seems, AV damage and range is getting nerfed. That means that I can just drive in, burn them to hell, then drive off before they kill me, repp up, then repeat. You really underestimate the dedicated AVers. I'd like to see the non-repping HAV able to withstand two swarmers with AV grenades, both at proto. Please, when the update comes, show me the HAV that can. Their AV is fire and forget. I'll respect them when they all start using forge guns. This again? Do you know how often swarms crash into a wall if the tank makes a turn? No. Do you know that by the time you even finish locking on, you would get buttplugged by duvolles? No Do you know how f****ing easy it is to use forge guns? No Do you realize that blasters and missiles are the most easiest weapons to use in the game? No Do you have a remote clue about what your talking about? NO! I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1181	Posted - 2013.11.03 17:37:00 - [178] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Just because you have a HAV, doesn't make you a tanker, and it definitely doesn't make you a pilot. And by that exact logic, owning a IAFG or an Wirykomi swarm launcher doesn't make you AV. You all make it sound like using AV is difficult. You make it sound like using a mobile installation with infinite ammo is difficult. When all you have to worry about is 4 weapons in the entire game and other mobile installations, it's really not. Of course using tanks is difficult. Packed Lai Dai do ~2000 against armor with no hardener. One volley of swarms with 2 damage mods does about ~3500 against armor without hardeners. Do you really mean to tell me that it's hard to use AV with those numbers staring you in the face? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1181	Posted - 2013.11.03 17:38:00 - [179] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank. The second you see my tank and you are a red dot is the second you'll wish that you never decided to become a tanker. I can personally guarantee that you wouldn't walk away from the fight with your tank. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL My tanks are PC grade. What, you're gonna use EZ-Mode AV on me instead of battling me with your own silly little tank? No I'm gonna beat you in my tank, I'm just saying if you try to run away, i'll blow you up with swarms. And for a "PC grade" tanker, you sure do cry a lot LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL You don't know what hardeners or resistances are. You're really saying you're going to beat a guy that's been cycling modules since Chromosome? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1181	Posted - 2013.11.03 17:41:00 - [180] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank. Since I really do not know, what you are playing in this game besides MLT tanks and sitting in other people vehicles, I can not imagine how one can be scared of you. Why is it, with all your soul, fully believe that I'm not a tanker? I do not understand this. I've been defending tanks and tankers since Chromosome. Why would you possibly believe that I don't tank? That's what I've been wondering about you , but then again I don't follow the "hive mind". So tanking is a hive mind, yet infantry has successfully had tanks nerfed through 5 builds now... Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.



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