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daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 294	Posted - 2013.11.02 20:19:00 - [1] - Quote @OP You realize, that the new hardener is 40% (better than 2 hardener now) and that you are no longer forced to use a PG upgrade. PG Upgrade, hardener, hardener (3 slots) < new hardener (1 slot)
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 294	Posted - 2013.11.02 22:26:00 - [2] - Quote skippy678 wrote: now complex armour hardner cpu-25 pg-5 effect-25% resist new complex armour hardner cpu-133 pg-397 effect-60%resist Honestly dude your ruining peoples legit argument here...you aint saving any PG mods with the new one buddy...just seeing the numbers you want I guess..notice the big difference in PG? do u understand how far off your reply is here?seriously Right now I run a cheap pub fit madrugar 80GJ Blaster, 2 carapace hardener, 1 heavy eff rep, 1 pg up, 1 180mm poly 1.7 I can run a fit with 80 GJ Blaster, complex 120mm plate, complex hardener, complex repper I will loose a bit of max hp, trade my big repper for constant rep HOWEVER AV will do -30% damage I'm happy Edit: And don't forget that shield tanks will become viable, while being absolute trash right now. So, yeah, 1.7 is good and you are a troll :)
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 294	Posted - 2013.11.02 22:58:00 - [3] - Quote skippy678 wrote: I went and did your math for you since you can mostlikely drive backwards but not add... new maddy cpu-475 pg-2490 the fiting you would put is complex 120plate/repper/hardner/80 g blaster...just those things cost CPU-486 PG-2762 And You still got 2 small turrets and 2 low slots you havnt accounted for ?? are you vehicle electronics level12? Thanks for doing math, but next time do it right. Skill: "5% reduction to PG usage of vehicle armor modules per level" and don't forget blaster fitting optimization there is still place for stuff in the high slots, so no prob there.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 295	Posted - 2013.11.02 23:10:00 - [4] - Quote skippy678 wrote: congrats. 5% off that whole including the blaster is125-150 PG and the militia blasters for 2 are gonna add 136.4 cpu and 369.6 Pg....still sooooo far off your claimed fit does not work... Numbers aren't your thing, right? It's 5% per level of the skill, which translates into 25%. Edit: I start to like you, you funny.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 296	Posted - 2013.11.02 23:23:00 - [5] - Quote Actually, it's HIGH SLOTS, which I didn't wrote anything about. Also, not MLT Blaster but STD Blaster Blaster with fitting 5: 71 / 635 120mm complex plate: 126 / 8960.75 complex hardener: 133 / 3970.75 complex repper: 143 / 7220.75 sum: 473 / 2146,25 Complex CPU Upgrade -4750.15= - 71,25 / 0 This leaves 1 high slot for Nitro or a Scanner I will never ever add small turrets to my tank, forever, since I hate those blueberries inside, shooting the mcc or doing ****. Edit: You can also add 2 instead of 1 CPU Upgrades and fit 2 small blasters
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 296	Posted - 2013.11.02 23:28:00 - [6] - Quote You put this into you High Slot and it increases your CPU by 15% while having 0/0 fitting costs, but increases your CPU by 71,25 which I calculated with a - Edit: Right now I have all tanking skills at 5, like every tanker .. so this is nothing special
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 296	Posted - 2013.11.02 23:33:00 - [7] - Quote Wait man, you told me my fit is not possible, you posted several times wrong calculations and now you are changing the question? (^.-) You so funny
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 296	Posted - 2013.11.02 23:36:00 - [8] - Quote Okay, let me know when you finished.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 296	Posted - 2013.11.02 23:48:00 - [9] - Quote My tanks are squeezing right now ... that's nothing special but good fitting. My next point is, I fitted a STD hull with defensive complex modules and only STD offensive modules. I'm looking forward to ADV hull, which can be fitted even better. Next, level 5 everything is normal for tankers. Tankers with less than 5m SP aren't doing any better today. The increase in power of tanks is exponential with SP .. I can kill 2 tanks with my tank today at once, if they are <5m SP tankers. Also, small turrets really suck most of the time and now they are an option. Like i said earlier, 1 question is Scanner <-> 2 small blasters. Just take what you want .. I will take the scanner. Yeah, tanks will rock 1.7 and will get slightly nerfed afterwards.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 296	Posted - 2013.11.03 00:04:00 - [10] - Quote Madrugar: 2490 PG, 475 CPU, 4000 armor, 1200 shield Low slots: 120mm complex plate *896 PG 0.75 (skill) = 672 PG, 126 CPU, 1885 armor complex heavy repper 722 PG * 0.75 (skill) = 541,5 PG, 143 CPU*, 145 armor/sec 1,25(skill) = 181,25 armor / sec complex hardener *397 PG 0.75 (skill) = 297,75, 133 CPU High slots: Complex CPU Upgrade 0 PG, 0 CPU, adds 71,25 CPU Complex Fuel Injector 134 PG, 47 CPU Large Turret: 80 GJ Blaster, 747 PG * 0.85 (skill) = 634,95 PG , 84 CPU * 0.85 (skill) = 71,4** SUM: 2280,1 PG and 520 CPU (which works due to the CPU Upgrade we took) Tank has 5885 armor and 1200 shield, a hardener and 181 armor/sec rep. As I said, you can change the Fuel Injector into another CPU Upgrade and fit small turrets.

daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 301	Posted - 2013.11.03 08:34:00 - [11] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank. Since I really do not know, what you are playing in this game besides MLT tanks and sitting in other people vehicles, I can not imagine how one can be scared of you.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 302	Posted - 2013.11.03 09:11:00 - [12] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: as it seems, AV damage and range is getting nerfed. That means that I can just drive in, burn them to hell, then drive off before they kill me, repp up, then repeat. You really underestimate the dedicated AVers. I'd like to see the non-repping HAV able to withstand two swarmers with AV grenades, both at proto. Please, when the update comes, show me the HAV that can. HAV will be constantly repping 180 armor/sec with a complex armor repper. Also, proto Swarms will be STD swarms. so lol
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 309	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:32:00 - [13] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Because he'd be scared to go up against any of us with a tank. The second you see my tank and you are a red dot is the second you'll wish that you never decided to become a tanker. I can personally guarantee that you wouldn't walk away from the fight with your tank. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL My tanks are PC grade. What, you're gonna use EZ-Mode AV on me instead of battling me with your own silly little tank? Your tanks are PC grade but you can't fit basic fits I post in this forum, because you haven't put SP into Armor Plating Srsly.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 309	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:40:00 - [14] - Quote You asked me to take pictures of my rail fit, because you said you can't fit it and it is impossible to fit O.o Then you tell everybody, your tanks are PC grade .... What is wrong with you?
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 309	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:48:00 - [15] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: I don't fiddle much with fits, I use what works for me and stick with it. And how could I have a PC-grade fit if I don't have armor plating to 5? Stick to rail sniping behind your redline. That line separates the tankers from the scrubs. I don't know what you call PC-grade ... your Soma isn't. I love my railgun, inside and outside of my redline. But yeah, last time we fought with blasters you run your tank into a wall and popped it ... lol.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 309	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:52:00 - [16] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: I don't fiddle much with fits, I use what works for me and stick with it. And how could I have a PC-grade fit if I don't have armor plating to 5? Stick to rail sniping behind your redline. That line separates the tankers from the scrubs. I don't know what you call PC-grade ... your Soma isn't. I love my railgun, inside and outside of my redline. But yeah, last time we fought with blasters you run your tank into a wall and popped it ... lol. I think you're on drugs or something. I sent you a mail "what happened" 07/09/13 21:01 Want me to post your response? :D
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 309	Posted - 2013.11.03 21:13:00 - [17] - Quote Now you remember how you kissed the wall.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 309	Posted - 2013.11.03 21:20:00 - [18] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Uh, no, I remember major stuff, like you hiding behind the redline like a beaten dog because you didn't want to 1 v 1 a tanker, even though you got popped anyway multiple times. Then there was that time me and Taka rushed you and blew you up with AV, because you have zero situational awareness, and again, were hiding slightly behind the redline with a railgun after getting destroyed. After I shot your Gunnlogi, I got Taka with his rail from the back, while didn't even see me. Sadly, in the middle of our fight your Soma(?) arrived and started shooting on me .. that's what you call a 1vs1? lol The bridge map I could have hid inside over the hills, but yeah, was just a Particle Acc. and I love how you recalled your tanks. Edit: You call me beaten dog, I call you a fool if you go head on vs an even tank (taka) and something more (your soma in this case) But yeah ... you won't understand this anyways
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 309	Posted - 2013.11.03 21:29:00 - [19] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: What do you, record everything and play it over and over like a football coach, except to for your purpose it's to make your hate grow? And I'm pretty sure the enemy AV was far more effective than you could ever hope to be. And wow, a railgun destroying a shield tank, which it has a bonus against, so hard to do. Sorry for being able to remember events correctly .. lol. There was no AV at all. All your pitiful attempts to insult me with your childish behavior, your imaginary facts and the redline takes are funny at least. As I said, do what you think is the best ... it is your tank that will explode. I will use every advantage I have.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 309	Posted - 2013.11.03 21:31:00 - [20] - Quote lol no, only one who is mad all the time is SKR4LIFE We are happy and had a fruitful discussion in this thread, before he arrived :)

daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 309	Posted - 2013.11.03 21:34:00 - [21] - Quote skippy678 wrote: i learned about math compassion for tanks or for av?
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 309	Posted - 2013.11.03 22:00:00 - [22] - Quote .. don't forget I drive around corners! against some guys in tanks that's enough ... :D
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 310	Posted - 2013.11.03 22:49:00 - [23] - Quote did he blend?
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 311	Posted - 2013.11.04 07:15:00 - [24] - Quote Atiim wrote: If you redline snipe with a railgun, then your pathetic. End of story Actually, if you redline snipe with anything, your pathetic. To clear things up this is not directed at Spkie, but at daishi I won't even debate this topic with infantry.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2013.11.04 14:17:00 - [25] - Quote The word "scrub" lost every meaning in this forums. Everybody is calling each other scrub .. you could say, they are all "scrubs". Everybody who thinks this means anything, is lost.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2013.11.04 16:49:00 - [26] - Quote Atiim wrote: Well your in luck, because I am quite literally everything in this game, not just infantry. And it is true, if you have to go to a safe zone to be effective or kill something, your pathetic. You are welcome to fight my tank and the one of a mate, alone, with your tank. Oh yeah, 4 other people of my squad will throw AV grenades. When?
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2013.11.04 16:57:00 - [27] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: Atiim wrote: Well your in luck, because I am quite literally everything in this game, not just infantry. And it is true, if you have to go to a safe zone to be effective or kill something, your pathetic. You are welcome to fight my tank and the one of a mate, alone, with your tank. Oh yeah, 4 other people of my squad will throw AV grenades. When? You need 5 more people to fight a tank in close quarters? He wanted a scenario, I gave him one. As I said before, against some tankers it is enough to drive around a corner and let them hit the wall. Don't even need a tank for this, a Baloch is enough.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2013.11.04 19:10:00 - [28] - Quote Atiim wrote: You are a nut. If you expect any tank to survive this than you need to be locked up in an Asylum like the rest of the nut jobs on these forums. So, wait .. you don't want me to snipe from my redline in such situations and you think no tank ever will survive this. Now, what to do?
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2013.11.04 19:35:00 - [29] - Quote Atiim wrote: Fight... 1v1 The tank... Teamwork? (Like you hypocrite tankers always cry about) There are ways to kill tanks without going into the kiddie safe zone. Man ... this is no joke ... I start to think that there is a big difference between matches in EU and NA. Yesterday: Single queue Skirmish/Domination I end up with 15 blueberries against one Academy Inferno squad + 10 redberries. They got as usual 2 tankers and at least two more of them have Adv AV nades. Neutron Blaster Mad and Missile Mad What to do now, tell me? Redline and snipe them both vs waste ISK on trying to go toe on toe against two coordinated tanks w/o help. I tried the second thing several times, didnt work that good.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 314	Posted - 2013.11.04 19:46:00 - [30] - Quote solo queue, blueberris shooting the mcc I don't mind going with my blaster vs 2 tanks, if there is a squad behind me.

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