I like it, it adds a sense of realism.

But at the same time, I dont like it, because I'm a reloadaholic, even if I shoot one bullet, I have to reload.

I like it, it adds a sense of realism.

But at the same time, I dont like it, because I'm a reloadaholic, even if I shoot one bullet, I have to reload.

I like it, it'll hurt me since im so use to reloading after every shot but hey "Its New Eden out there".

I disagree I think a system like this would be better, you have a total of 300 bullets with 60 in a magazine, so you have 5 total magazines. You fire off 40 rounds and reload you now have 260 bullets but when you cycle back to this magazine it only has 20 bullets.
This implies your putting your magazines back in your "belt" not just throwing them away also when resupplying if you have 260 bullets from the scenario above you will not get any magazines if you have 200 bullets from the scenario above accept you ate through a magazine from before hand you will only get 60 bullets or one magazine.

This could truly work for DUST indeed. And different ammo types to spice it up some more.

Yes Emp rounds sound attractive they'll do more shield less to armor and "piercing" rounds will do the opposite.

The main issue with an ArmA-style reload in DUST is that for some weapons it genuinely does not make sense, especially when considering that we are wearing micro-fusion-reactor-equipped power armor. I should not reload my laser rifle, and then end up with three powerpacks that have 40, 70, and 10 percent of the pack left in my inventory; it should be automatically collated into a replenished powerpack. This is something that is applicable to the current AR, as well as the Scrambler Rifle&Pistol, and the yet-to-arrive Ion Pistol.

The other thing, of course, is that I'd wager for high-level play people would still not care because they'd want to have the advantage of a full clip rather than preserving some ammo, especially since anyone (except non-Commando heavies) can fit a nanohive to replenish at least some portion of their ammo.

*snipped undignified whining, which is only to be expected from a Matari*

i lold. some long posts here with basically no arguments other than subjective whining.

DUST feels pretty generic together with the generic reload mechanic. I want something new to play with ingame.
Remove the insane spawn uplink spam while at it too.

I do understand the arguments against it, and I get it. But dont they also get the boring generic reload all fps games seem to have now?

*describes ArmA ammunition management system*

The benefits of this system you're proposing... a greater sense of "realism"? That's nice.

Now, realism is great and all, but only when it positively improves the gameplay experience. This is an example of something that would not improve the gameplay experience. Why? Because it's a very small addition that is likely to be overlooked, except to those who are hurt by it.

I think the gameplay experience for everyone is more important than the "sense of realism" for a few.

It can work with laser weapons very easily, imagine they use energy cells. You use so much energy cell then you reload, but, imagining that they are sort of like batteries, you may not have completely used one up. When have we all not recycled old batteries?

Yes this does not limit ammo and to many it would only be a minor setback. But it adds some flavor and requires one to be more ammunition efficient. No one is going to waste a nanohive for a few rounds.

I like this because it actually gives something to the progressive reload and single fire weapons. Right now reloading for them has only drawbacks.

After playing Arma and watching Battlefield 4, one thing that would really be fit for DUST is a new reload mechanic. Lets say I have 20 bullets left in the magazine and decide to reload to a fresh magazine; I lose 20 bullets.
This makes ammo even more important as it should be.

And yea, add different ammo types too while at it.

Cya on PS4

Honestly, that would place more emphasis on having a good support player along with your squad.

Good for gameplay and makes more sense from a realism standpoint. Win-win.

Laser weapons are already described as using powercells. However, given that we are immortal mercenaries wearing powered armor, then why can't we simply concede the fact that a dropsuit's powerplant can recharge partially-expended powercells?

And again going off of that aspect of DUST, why do we care about ammo usage efficiency anyway? We're immortal, and we count our profits and losses according to what is destroyed, not what is expended. Put another way, I don't care how much ammo I burn in a battle, I care about how many dropsuits I lose, since that, when balanced against the payout, will determine profit.

Not really. Any medium/light frame suit, as well as Commando suits, can equip a nanohive, thus completely nullifying any problem.

Because it follows an FPS convention. Seriously you're getting too wrapped up in the futuristic lore and just adding your spin however you want. Again if your suit can recharge cells, why do we need to even reload at all? How can nanites create ammunition but technologically we haven't advanced beyond magazines? FPS convention dictates this game more than the futuristic motif.

You misunderstand what I meant by ammo efficiency. Reloading early in with a magazine weapon means there is still ammo in the clip which you either wasted as you discard it or you are forced to recycle if you don't find a resupply. Do this often enough and you end up with clips of dwindling ammo in the clip because you were terribly inefficient. Progressive reload or single fire weapons use all their ammo without a waste and never will get to the point where they don't have much ammo in the chamber (unless the ultimately are nearly out of ammo) thus they are more efficient.

But that then leaves you using up CPU/PG that could be used on your tank or weapons. The changes to nanohives way back when mean that you aren't going to get jack unless you work up to the highest tier ones, or at the very least ADV level.

A Commander role has been something floated as a potential/likely feature. Matchmaking is halfway broken, but mostly because of the low player counts DUST is currently trudging through.

When it comes down to it, this is the kind of mechanic that would have had to be tested/put forward WAY back in the closed beta at the latest, if not something that would have been considered in the alpha build. DUST has been running for too long in open beta/'release' for something so basic to be so radically changed.

The other issue is that changing this mechanic would require significant man-hours sunk into coding it. I'll be somewhat conservative and say that only the coders who work on the core engine functionality would be pulled for this, but that's still manhours sunk into what would be a mostly unnoticed mechanic, instead of being put into engine improvements, bugfixes, netcode improvements, and adjusting the engine to accommodate new features.

Evidently you don't understand the arguments, because otherwise you would not degrade those who disagree with you by saying that they are "whining", and not presenting an actual argument.

After playing Arma and watching Battlefield 4, one thing that would really be fit for DUST is a new reload mechanic. Lets say I have 20 bullets left in the magazine and decide to reload to a fresh magazine; I lose 20 bullets.
This makes ammo even more important as it should be.

And yea, add different ammo types too while at it.

Cya on PS4

hah, your arguments are so moot and pretty deflecting. now its suddenly about conserving manhours put into code? conserving manhours? seriously? did you work for CCP and got fired?

and please. DUST has been changing none stop since the closed beta, and is not on the same roadmap anymore. Adding new mechanics is part of DUST's development. Look at it in 10 years compared to now...its gonna be a whole other thing. Just like EVE.

Incase you missed it, I've been looking at the issue from a realistic angle and not a subjective angle. If its the future, there shouldnt be magazines at all and the New Eden tech should be way past what we use now ingame. But if what we use now, that looks to be based on modern magazines...it truly should have some realism to it, to make DUST into something even less generic. For you and the other whiner it would obviously be punishment, and probably game-breaking for you. I have played DUST since the closed beta and have not stopped playing because of any new features or mechanics they brought in, except for the annoying bugs..

And when it comes to the generic shooting mechanics of DUST, I am pretty sure that will change too over time.

Rather than lose the bullets, It'd be better if a clip with 20 less bullets went back in your pocket. SOCOM did this, it worked well. Obviously nanohives would fill up your old clips.

Apparently, I have to be clearer with my arguments. For this I shall use a "Pro/Con List"

Pros:
+More similar to real life (arguably, though I'm not even sure if this is a pro or not)

Cons:
-Habitual reloaders will be pissed as all hell
-Snipers will be pissed as all hell
-Forge Gunners will be pissed as all hell
-Laser Riflemen will be pissed as all hell
-Swarm Launchmen(?) will be pissed as all hell

Actually, I think I'm going to stop there. You can see where I'm going, right? If you haven't noticed by now, in this game, if you want to kill someone, you'll definitely want a full clip ready. If you want to kill multiple people, you'll need a full clip ready, if not more. Some people even go dual SMG just because one clip just isn't enough for their purposes.

You understand, right? When is the last time you didn't reload your Laser Rifle at half a clip? How about your Mass Driver? Sniper Rifle? Scrambler Pistol? This isn't ARMA, or Battlefield 4. It's not even close.

I jut thought this whole time they had a slot in their backpack that springloads the ammo into the clip, that way you stick with maybe 3 clips the whole game.