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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2343
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Posted - 2013.09.30 09:46:00 -
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When you look at the star map in Dust and switch to the faction warfare tab, what you are looking at is who controls the districts Dust-side. Something some of you may have noticed since Uprising 1.4 hit is that the Minmatar and Gallente have held over 99% of the districts for what is now nearly a month.
Before I continue, let me get the elephant out of the room. Yes, I'm a known Amarr supporter. Please do not take this as me making excuses for the Amarr doing poorly in holding districts. I simply want to discuss this topic with an open mind, so please leave all snide comments at the door.
So, many people are playing FW near exclusively now. And by most accounts I have seen, whenever you play you seem to win practically every time, regardless for which faction you support. So assuming that both sides of the affair have a roughly equal number of corporations supporting them, which seems to be the case, then it must come down to the random blueberries who fight for on our behalf when we are not there. However, does it seem logical to assume that these blueberries are winning 99% of the time while on the Minmatar or Gallente side?
I've been discussing this with some people and here's a few theories we came up with, though of course with no way to prove them:
1) A dev said something around the launch of 1.4 that they were afraid Minmatar and Gallente FW matchmaking may get broken because they have no districts to attack. So this may imply that each faction is constantly pushing out contracts to attack other districts, and then the other matching that contract with a defense. So if the number of say Amarr or Caldari attack contracts are equal to the number of Minmatar or Gallente attack contracts, with so little districts for the Minmatar or Gallente to attack they will constantly be attacking the same district until it flips over, and as soon as the Amarr or Caldari gain a new district it will be constantly relentless attacked until they lose it again. So it's not so much a case of the Minmatar and Gallente winning 99% of all battles, but the Amarr and Caldari simply stuck in a whole.
2) The matchmaking looks at various qualifications for who attacks and defends, taking the higher skill point players to do attacks while the lower skill point players defend. This would result in the Amarr and Caldari gaining districts, but unable to hold them for any length of time. I do notice that every time my squad takes over a district, usually within 20 to 40 minutes (1 to 2 matches) it is lost again, and that my squad almost never gets defense contracts.
3) Amarr and Caldari random bluedots are simply scrubs while Minmatar and Gallente random bluedots are actually intelligent.
Or maybe it's none of these. I'm not sure. Though I do think it would be appropriate for CCP to do a small investigation on the matter, even something as simply as looking at which side is winning what percent of the battles and relating that to the ownership percent of the districts. I know some say it doesn't really matter, but Dust-side control of FW districts does impact EVE to an extent.
Again, I am not trying to make excuses for my preferred factions status in FW, I am simply suggesting that with a mode controlled by random teaming, it is a bit suspicious that one side can hold control of over 99% of districts for so many consecutive days. If there is some proof given out that Minmatar and Gallente really are winning 99% of all FW battles then I will accept that. |
DildoMcnutz
Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse
215
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Posted - 2013.09.30 09:55:00 -
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This is a pretty interesting topic, I can only talk from my experience but when I play FW with my corp we win I would say more than 90% of our battles for minmatar in our time zone (Aus), so to me it really does feel like were winning all the time. However you do raise an interesting point in that because you don't have many districts anymore anything you do take back is instantly swarmed and lost because there are so few targets for us to attack so your basically stuck.
Im gunna go with option 2 |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2344
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Posted - 2013.09.30 09:59:00 -
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DildoMcnutz wrote:This is a pretty interesting topic, I can only talk from my experience but when I play FW with my corp we win I would say more than 90% of our battles for minmatar in our time zone (Aus), so to me it really does feel like were winning all the time. However you do raise an interesting point in that because you don't have many districts anymore anything you do take back is instantly swarmed and lost because there are so few targets for us to attack so your basically stuck.
Im gunna go with option 2 And likewise whenever I'm with my squad we win well over 90% of our battles as well, and lord knows how many we've played in total this month.
I just find it odd because I can get on with my buddies and do an Amarr FW marathon practically all day and maybe lose 1 or 2 battles in that session, yet at the end of the day we look at the star map and everything is still either 99% or 100% Minmatar.
Option 2 would explain why our organized squads rarely appear to bump into each other while we both win the vast majority of our matches with no progress ever being made. |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1291
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Posted - 2013.09.30 10:16:00 -
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wait for faction rewards... lasers... lasers EVERYWHERE!!!! |
I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
969
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Posted - 2013.09.30 10:18:00 -
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Wait, I thought that other guy from your corp (I forget his name) was saying not too long ago that he wants more players to step up to the challenge of winning more minmatar battles as he keeps dominating the minmatar...?
I'm confused. |
DildoMcnutz
Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse
215
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Posted - 2013.09.30 10:20:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Wait, I thought that other guy from your corp (I forget his name) was saying not too long ago that he wants more players to step up to the challenge of winning more minmatar battles as he keeps dominating the minmatar...?
I'm confused.
That was the whole reason we even started FW and now we do it almost exclusively |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2346
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Posted - 2013.09.30 10:22:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Wait, I thought that other guy from your corp (I forget his name) was saying not too long ago that he wants more players to step up to the challenge of winning more minmatar battles as he keeps dominating the minmatar...?
I'm confused. True Adamance. And yes, he did. However, if you took the time to read this thread you will see that we individually are winning close to 100% of all our battles, and this is given a very large sample size. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2346
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Posted - 2013.09.30 10:25:00 -
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DildoMcnutz wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:Wait, I thought that other guy from your corp (I forget his name) was saying not too long ago that he wants more players to step up to the challenge of winning more minmatar battles as he keeps dominating the minmatar...?
I'm confused. That was the whole reason we even started FW and now we do it almost exclusively Oh hey, Science for Death. We did face you one time last night, and did beat you pretty handily if I do recall correctly
Ok, ok, let's not turn this into a smack talk thread. Stay on topic people! However, since I did take a jab at you I will allow you one as well |
DildoMcnutz
Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse
215
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Posted - 2013.09.30 10:49:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:DildoMcnutz wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:Wait, I thought that other guy from your corp (I forget his name) was saying not too long ago that he wants more players to step up to the challenge of winning more minmatar battles as he keeps dominating the minmatar...?
I'm confused. That was the whole reason we even started FW and now we do it almost exclusively Oh hey, Science for Death. We did face you one time last night, and did beat you pretty handily if I do recall correctly Ok, ok, let's not turn this into a smack talk thread. Stay on topic people! However, since I did take a jab at you I will allow you one as well
Bloody American time zone letting us down jks jks, I don't think I have ever seen PIE inc in game before, maybe I need to do a 24 hour seesion My eyes may fall out of my head but the games will be worth it |
Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
694
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Posted - 2013.09.30 10:53:00 -
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I agreed with you up in till 3. every side has dumb asses we just have more. |
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Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
301
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Posted - 2013.09.30 11:05:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:wait for faction rewards... lasers... lasers EVERYWHERE!!!! sizzle cant wait |
Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
82
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Posted - 2013.09.30 11:11:00 -
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I'm curious, who are the most active faction warfare corps and who do they fight for? I barely touch it so have no idea. This might also help answer the OPs question, if it turns out there are loads of corps fighting for Min/Gal. So far we have:
PIE inc - Amarr Science for Death - Minmatar |
shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY
726
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Posted - 2013.09.30 11:13:00 -
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I usually play minmatar but i also sympathize for the gallente faction, probabily is this, minmatar and gallente share mercs. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2348
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Posted - 2013.09.30 11:16:00 -
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DildoMcnutz wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:DildoMcnutz wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:Wait, I thought that other guy from your corp (I forget his name) was saying not too long ago that he wants more players to step up to the challenge of winning more minmatar battles as he keeps dominating the minmatar...?
I'm confused. That was the whole reason we even started FW and now we do it almost exclusively Oh hey, Science for Death. We did face you one time last night, and did beat you pretty handily if I do recall correctly Ok, ok, let's not turn this into a smack talk thread. Stay on topic people! However, since I did take a jab at you I will allow you one as well Bloody American time zone letting us down jks jks, I don't think I have ever seen PIE inc in game before, maybe I need to do a 24 hour seesion My eyes may fall out of my head but the games will be worth it Well unfortunately PIE Inc actually doesn't have too many active Dust members, but we have a ton of active Dust supporters. Usually we will have one or more full squad in a match and only one of two of us are actually in PIE and no one else in the same corporation, so to the enemy team it looks like we're a bunch of randoms yet we play together quite often; perhaps that's why you don't notice. We did play your corp within the past 24 hours though.
And yeah it's a shame, I don't know why all these guys don't join PIE, a premiere Amarr RP corp and the 3rd oldest surviving EVE corp, a lot of history here and a lot of good management. Nonetheless, as long as they are supporting us, squading with us, and having fun then what more could I ask for!
Ok but on topic, for emphasis, CCP can you please do a small investigation on this! |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2349
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Posted - 2013.09.30 11:20:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:I'm curious, who are the most active faction warfare corps and who do they fight for? I barely touch it so have no idea. This might also help answer the OPs question, if it turns out there are loads of corps fighting for Min/Gal. So far we have:
PIE inc - Amarr Science for Death - Minmatar I have a list somewhere, can't seem to pull it up right now. There are a bunch of corps on both sides however. And regardless, simply using the example I have given of my squad doing an Amarr FW marathon winning every match, yet at the end of the day seeing no progress made on the star map, should be enough to raise an eyebrow. |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3
883
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Posted - 2013.09.30 11:21:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:When you look at the star map in Dust and switch to the faction warfare tab, what you are looking at is who controls the districts Dust-side. Something some of you may have noticed since Uprising 1.4 hit is that the Minmatar and Gallente have held over 99% of the districts for what is now nearly a month.
Before I continue, let me get the elephant out of the room. Yes, I'm a known Amarr supporter. Please do not take this as me making excuses for the Amarr doing poorly in holding districts. I simply want to discuss this topic with an open mind, so please leave all snide comments at the door.
So, many people are playing FW near exclusively now. And by most accounts I have seen, whenever you play you seem to win practically every time, regardless for which faction you support. So assuming that both sides of the affair have a roughly equal number of corporations supporting them, which seems to be the case, then it must come down to the random blueberries who fight for on our behalf when we are not there. However, does it seem logical to assume that these blueberries are winning 99% of the time while on the Minmatar or Gallente side?
I've been discussing this with some people and here's a few theories we came up with, though of course with no way to prove them:
1) A dev said something around the launch of 1.4 that they were afraid Minmatar and Gallente FW matchmaking may get broken because they have no districts to attack. So this may imply that each faction is constantly pushing out contracts to attack other districts, and then the other matching that contract with a defense. So if the number of say Amarr or Caldari attack contracts are equal to the number of Minmatar or Gallente attack contracts, with so little districts for the Minmatar or Gallente to attack they will constantly be attacking the same district until it flips over, and as soon as the Amarr or Caldari gain a new district it will be relentlessly attacked until they lose it again. So it's not so much a case of the Minmatar and Gallente winning 99% of all battles, but the Amarr and Caldari simply stuck in a hole.
2) The matchmaking looks at various qualifications for who attacks and defends, taking the higher skill point players to do attacks while the lower skill point players defend. This would result in the Amarr and Caldari gaining districts, but unable to hold them for any length of time. I do notice that every time my squad takes over a district, usually within 20 to 40 minutes (1 to 2 matches) it is lost again, and that my squad almost never gets defense contracts.
3) Amarr and Caldari random bluedots are simply scrubs while Minmatar and Gallente random bluedots are actually intelligent.
Or maybe it's none of these. I'm not sure. Though I do think it would be appropriate for CCP to do a small investigation on the matter, even something as simply as looking at which side is winning what percent of the battles and relating that to the ownership percent of the districts. I know some say it doesn't really matter, but Dust-side control of FW districts does impact EVE to an extent.
Again, I am not trying to make excuses for my preferred factions status in FW, I am simply suggesting that with a mode controlled by random teaming, it is a bit suspicious that one side can hold control of over 99% of districts for so many consecutive days. If there is some proof given out that Minmatar and Gallente really are winning 99% of all FW battles then I will accept that.
Now as a staunch supporter of the Minmatar Republic and a 3 year Faction Warfare veteran.......I'll completely agree with you.
This is very much a situation I'm monitoring closely, though this is the first time we've started to see a major swing one way or another: my suspicion is because the battlefinder is now spawning matches consistently, we're seeing a massive spike in participation. The 4th option here that you don't mention is also very much a possiblity - it may be that two groups in particular for each of those factions is making a very aggressive, very organized push from the Dust side, for RP reasons or due to cooperation with an EVE entitty. Either way, we don't know yet whether one or two groups is enough to completely tilt what would otherwise be a "white noise" type participation evenly distributed amongst factions.
In the end, we WANT a system that swings back and forth on some sort of pendulum - FW is rather meaningless if a player group is unable to get involved and make waves that actually matter in terms of sovereignty impact. So this preliminary data is encouraging - but you're absolutely right, we need to know EXACTLY what forces are behind it, and I totally support both dev investigation and as public a discussion as possible about the results. Likewise, I totally support each of YOU coming forward with your stories and supplementary data as well - if you're part of a group making a push, talk about it (on an alt if necessary, to protect a larger strategic plan). Anything players can share right now about how they're using the FW mechanics can help Team True Grit discover the best ways to improve and iterate upon the system. |
Guinevere Bravo
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
413
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Posted - 2013.09.30 11:23:00 -
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If anyone wants to hire STB for the day to fight Amarr faction battles let me know. Im sure we can agree a reasonable sum.
EDIT; I dont speak for the entirity of STB Btw, im sure some Mercs would perish at the thought of fighting for the Amarr!. But a few of us are in it for the paycheck!. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
488
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Posted - 2013.09.30 11:23:00 -
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I agree, I did an amarr contract. Got into a half finished match. Want to know were my team was? In our redline trying to figure out wich side of a gun the bullet comes out of.
I went to work, captured a cannon, destroyed some protos using a MLT scout and some RE.
Seriously though, matchmaking for FW needs to be looked at. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2349
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Posted - 2013.09.30 11:38:00 -
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Thank you for the response, Heinrich Jagerblitzen. Good to know that a CPM member has heard this plea
What I can tell you, which may be known to many here already, is that PIE has made a collaborative push with TeamPlayers for Amarr FW this past week and all squads involved are reporting dominance, yet the star map remains the same day-in day-out.
To be honest I'm happy that more people want to participate in FW, however I do believe FW needs some mild restrictions as many of the players I come across really should be doing public contracts a little more. In fairness, CCP doesn't really do a good job explaining to people what FW is and how it differs from Public contracts. When so many players are using FW as matchmaking 2.0, it can be hard for any group to make any real impact since, unlike EVE, there is a limit to how many people can attack or defend a specific spot at one time.
I do believe a way to get around this while putting the fewest restrictions on players (or none at all, which would be great!) is allowing Dust players a means to pick where they want to focus their efforts, changing it so it takes multiple battles to overtake a district instead of simply one "winner takes all," and a means to temporarily secure and lock a district. Here's one suggestion I posted awhile ago on how to do that, https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1323604#post1323604 |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2349
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Posted - 2013.09.30 11:39:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:I agree, I did an amarr contract. Got into a half finished match. Want to know were my team was? In our redline trying to figure out wich side of a gun the bullet comes out of.
I went to work, captured a cannon, destroyed some protos using a MLT scout and some RE.
Seriously though, matchmaking for FW needs to be looked at. Join us in the channel PIE Ground Deployment if you're ever looking for a squad and want to do whatever it takes to win, lots of great Amarr players there! |
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Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
1360
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Posted - 2013.09.30 11:49:00 -
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Well if you think about it, the average FPS player who has no knowledge of the EVE Universe whatsoever will probably support the Minmatar or Gallente. Those ideals of strength, rebellion and freedom simply appeal to someone who just wants to shoot people.
As opposed to the corporate, industrial Caldari which no one cares about in DUST because everything is bought from an NPC store at the moment, and the Amarr who're probably shallowly interpreted as religious fanatics by those with a narrow view of the lore and at best, slavemasters. The first thing I personally learnt about the Amarr, and I'm sure this applies to many new members of CCP's universe, is that they had took the Minmatar as slaves, and I was opposed already.
Obviously, this is not the full picture. But first impressions count, and that's what I got, and that's most likely what another average player felt.
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Rogue Saint
Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse
257
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Posted - 2013.09.30 11:50:00 -
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To parrot my corp mate Dildo, we are pretty much in FW all the time these days and win 95% of our battles. The corps we see the most of are NFSounds, Russian Troops of Chaos & Trans Worlds Operations. The latter give us good fights where the former two tend to leave
I'd go for option 2 as well. Would be nice for some blue tag response on this thread. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2349
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Posted - 2013.09.30 12:01:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote:Well if you think about it, the average FPS player who has no knowledge of the EVE Universe whatsoever will probably support the Minmatar or Gallente. Those ideals of strength, rebellion and freedom simply appeal to someone who just wants to shoot people.
As opposed to the corporate, industrial Caldari which no one cares about in DUST because everything is bought from an NPC store at the moment, and the Amarr who're probably shallowly interpreted as religious fanatics by those with a narrow view of the lore and at best, slavemasters. The first thing I personally learnt about the Amarr, and I'm sure this applies to many new members of CCP's universe, is that they had took the Minmatar as slaves, and I was opposed already.
Obviously, this is not the full picture. But first impressions count, and that's what I got, and that's most likely what another average player felt.
Definitely agree that first impressions are a big deal and that a lot of people read Amarr and slavery and instantly hate them, even though they are not quite the bad guys first impressions would lead you to believe. Of course PIE is working on a way to better inform new Dusters on who the Amarr are before they make up their minds, because people like you are already pretty locked in your belief against Amarr which is totally fine!
Still, there are plenty of players supporting all sides so I would not suspect this to be the root of the problem in FW. |
Lea Silencio
D3ath D3alers
234
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Posted - 2013.09.30 12:19:00 -
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I just wish that new players would learn each faction's history, make a decision and only toggle that specific faction. I'm fairly certain that they just select FW and push X. |
steadyhand amarr
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
1430
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Posted - 2013.09.30 12:25:00 -
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I strongly belive it is the matchmaker forcing us into q hole perhaps it would be worthy Tiaalying how attacks vs defense you are pullingor ask ccp to pay attention to it for a bit |
Void Echo
Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium
1564
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Posted - 2013.09.30 12:26:00 -
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its not dust side that's making the sides tip in favor of the good guys, its the pilots eve side that are winning. |
Void Echo
Morsus Mihi Aperuitque Imperium
1564
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Posted - 2013.09.30 12:30:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Vyzion Eyri wrote:Well if you think about it, the average FPS player who has no knowledge of the EVE Universe whatsoever will probably support the Minmatar or Gallente. Those ideals of strength, rebellion and freedom simply appeal to someone who just wants to shoot people.
As opposed to the corporate, industrial Caldari which no one cares about in DUST because everything is bought from an NPC store at the moment, and the Amarr who're probably shallowly interpreted as religious fanatics by those with a narrow view of the lore and at best, slavemasters. The first thing I personally learnt about the Amarr, and I'm sure this applies to many new members of CCP's universe, is that they had took the Minmatar as slaves, and I was opposed already.
Obviously, this is not the full picture. But first impressions count, and that's what I got, and that's most likely what another average player felt.
Definitely agree that first impressions are a big deal and that a lot of people read Amarr and slavery and instantly hate them, even though they are not quite the bad guys first impressions would lead you to believe. Of course PIE is working on a way to better inform new Dusters on who the Amarr are before they make up their minds, because people like you are already pretty locked in your belief against Amarr which is totally fine! Still, there are plenty of players supporting all sides so I would not suspect this to be the root of the problem in FW.
basically if you want people to have a better view of the empire, one of your choices would be to abandon slavery and offer freedom instead, the slavery thing is the major problem that the amarrians have at trying to get people to go to your side.
but its not any of our power to change any of the empires, so your best bet would be to attempt to reform your slavery status and change it to assimilating not enslaving, people did like the borg from star trek but if it said enslavement instead of assimilating, then they would be one of the most hated species in the series.
the amarr empire is tainted with their idea of slavery leading to assimilation, and that has caused many people to chose other sides instead of yours. |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
1002
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Posted - 2013.09.30 12:41:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Vyzion Eyri wrote:Well if you think about it, the average FPS player who has no knowledge of the EVE Universe whatsoever will probably support the Minmatar or Gallente. Those ideals of strength, rebellion and freedom simply appeal to someone who just wants to shoot people.
As opposed to the corporate, industrial Caldari which no one cares about in DUST because everything is bought from an NPC store at the moment, and the Amarr who're probably shallowly interpreted as religious fanatics by those with a narrow view of the lore and at best, slavemasters. The first thing I personally learnt about the Amarr, and I'm sure this applies to many new members of CCP's universe, is that they had took the Minmatar as slaves, and I was opposed already.
Obviously, this is not the full picture. But first impressions count, and that's what I got, and that's most likely what another average player felt.
Definitely agree that first impressions are a big deal and that a lot of people read Amarr and slavery and instantly hate them, even though they are not quite the bad guys first impressions would lead you to believe. Of course PIE is working on a way to better inform new Dusters on who the Amarr are before they make up their minds, because people like you are already pretty locked in your belief against Amarr which is totally fine! Still, there are plenty of players supporting all sides so I would not suspect this to be the root of the problem in FW. The indoctrination runs deep in this one. But since he's been granted immortality, he may have time to see through the lies and adopt a life that has conscious meaning.
Until them we'll just keep putting him down. I like to think of it as tough love. |
Funkmaster Whale
0uter.Heaven
712
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Posted - 2013.09.30 12:47:00 -
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FW is, for the most part, fought on EVE side since there's way more incentive in EVE to participate.
In EVE there are Tiers that each faction can reach by controlling and upgrading systems in their control. As a faction goes up in tier, they get higher rewards for conquering "Plexes" which are essentially the districts of EVE. It's kind of a silly mechanic because you can earn a ton of money from the Loyalty Points that are awarded, and so a lot of ISK farmers come on and continuously farm Plexes in regions that don't have much action.
What this means is that FW is controlled only very little by the ones who are actively fighting in battles both on the ground and in space. CCP's EVE FW system incentivizes AFK farmers to come in and farm Plexes with little to no repercussion for days/weeks on end, and since the factions that are dominating FW are in Tier IV, every farmer is getting 2x the award they'd usually get. So they come on and farm 24/7, immediately recapping any system that may have gone back under the enemy control so that they can get their precious Loyalty Points.
As soon as the balance of power starts tipping, you start to see every EVE farmer jump ship and switch factions to whoever is winning in order to continue the farming. It's all a money game in EVE which is why the PvP has such little effect when you have the 24/hr/day farmers conquering systems in order to monetize off it. As far as DUST side goes, and system which you may happen to flip for the Caldari or Amarr is actually a GOOD thing for the enemy in space because they have yet another system they can come in and farm for huge rewards. Otherwise they would have nothing to farm. So CCP is essentially rewarding people for continuously pounding a faction into the ground and there's little to no way out of it when you have an armada of LP farmers waiting for a district to turn so they can come in and reap their LP. |
Mac Dac
Wraith Shadow Guards
220
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Posted - 2013.09.30 13:24:00 -
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yes.
i checked the other day caldari own 11% of fw and amar own around 2%. |
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
428
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Posted - 2013.09.30 13:26:00 -
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You're darned tootin' we are.
Especially when I'm playing.
Munch |
Mac Dac
Wraith Shadow Guards
220
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Posted - 2013.09.30 13:34:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote:Well if you think about it, the average FPS player who has no knowledge of the EVE Universe whatsoever will probably support the Minmatar or Gallente. Those ideals of strength, rebellion and freedom simply appeal to someone who just wants to shoot people.
As opposed to the corporate, industrial Caldari which no one cares about in DUST because everything is bought from an NPC store at the moment, and the Amarr who're probably shallowly interpreted as religious fanatics by those with a narrow view of the lore and at best, slavemasters. The first thing I personally learnt about the Amarr, and I'm sure this applies to many new members of CCP's universe, is that they had took the Minmatar as slaves, and I was opposed already.
Obviously, this is not the full picture. But first impressions count, and that's what I got, and that's most likely what another average player felt.
Actually i knew nothing of the races when i joined. And honesty their is no reason to ally with any. Personaly i chosse gallente because the minmatar quarters were crap, i had caldari quarters all closed beta, and amar was to gold and fancy.
But im pretty sure only 2% of the playerbase cares for FW let alone their race. |
Aleksander Black
Immortal Retribution
170
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Posted - 2013.09.30 13:52:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote: And yeah it's a shame, I don't know why all these guys don't join PIE, a premiere Amarr RP corp and the 3rd oldest surviving EVE corp, a lot of history here and a lot of good management. Nonetheless, as long as they are supporting us, squading with us, and having fun then what more could I ask for!
Is this an invite?
I have to say that I did consider joining PIE before joining my current Corporation. I didn't apply because, although I am loyal to Amarr and love it's suits and weapons, and I even like the RP aspect of your corp (that's why I stick in PIE Public even with the Ground Deployment Channel), although all that, I couldn't part away from my SMG. Simple as that, I just couldn't.
It's already too intensive to aim with the Scrambler Rifle at medium ranges, if I also had to use a precision gun at short range, with no bonus to armor damage on top of it, I would go nuts. It's just so relaxing to swap to a SMG and melt people in close quarters that I couldn't give it up.
To contribute a little to the question at hand though, I will tell you my experience when I play alone in FW for Amarr. I lose pretty much every time. I do finish in 1st way more often than not but it simply isn't enough to carry the whole match. Sometimes it's clear that there is an organized squad at the other side. Other times it just feels that the Minmatar side is overall less stupid. Evidence is inconclusive but it's such a pain to play alone that I'm hardly willing to go back there again to gather more "data" (and by data I mean bullets and explosives from all sides and not a hint of support from the team). |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2353
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Posted - 2013.09.30 15:27:00 -
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Aleksander Black wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote: And yeah it's a shame, I don't know why all these guys don't join PIE, a premiere Amarr RP corp and the 3rd oldest surviving EVE corp, a lot of history here and a lot of good management. Nonetheless, as long as they are supporting us, squading with us, and having fun then what more could I ask for!
Is this an invite? I have to say that I did consider joining PIE before joining my current Corporation. I didn't apply because, although I am loyal to Amarr and love it's suits and weapons, and I even like the RP aspect of your corp (that's why I stick in PIE Public even with the Ground Deployment Channel), although all that, I couldn't part away from my SMG. Simple as that, I just couldn't. It's already too intensive to aim with the Scrambler Rifle at medium ranges, if I also had to use a precision gun at short range, with no bonus to armor damage on top of it, I would go nuts. It's just so relaxing to swap to a SMG and melt people in close quarters that I couldn't give it up. To contribute a little to the question at hand though, I will tell you my experience when I play alone in FW for Amarr. I lose pretty much every time. I do finish in 1st way more often than not but it simply isn't enough to carry the whole match. Sometimes it's clear that there is an organized squad at the other side. Other times it just feels that the Minmatar side is overall less stupid. Evidence is inconclusive but it's such a pain to play alone that I'm hardly willing to go back there again to gather more "data" (and by data I mean bullets and explosives from all sides and not a hint of support from the team). Well, as much as I'd love to convince you how superior the scrambler pistol is, I feel I should also let you in on a little secret.
PIE has a clause for Dust currently that you use all Amarr tech except where there is yet an alternative. Since Amarr will be getting an SMG eventually, use of the Minmatar SMG is accepted.
So if that was the only thing holding you back, you now have no excuse! |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2366
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:10:00 -
[35] - Quote
Poonmunch wrote:You're darned tootin' we are.
Especially when I'm playing.
Munch Perhaps when you play yes, as when I play. But do you honestly believe that this is the case for the totality of FW matches? |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2427
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:18:00 -
[36] - Quote
I mean it is odd. Many of the matches PIE Ground Deployment squad enter end with EVE support and the win, yet we never gain ground.
Sadly I feel there are only 30ish players who actively make a difference to Amarr FW. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2427
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:22:00 -
[37] - Quote
Vrain Matari wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Vyzion Eyri wrote:Well if you think about it, the average FPS player who has no knowledge of the EVE Universe whatsoever will probably support the Minmatar or Gallente. Those ideals of strength, rebellion and freedom simply appeal to someone who just wants to shoot people.
As opposed to the corporate, industrial Caldari which no one cares about in DUST because everything is bought from an NPC store at the moment, and the Amarr who're probably shallowly interpreted as religious fanatics by those with a narrow view of the lore and at best, slavemasters. The first thing I personally learnt about the Amarr, and I'm sure this applies to many new members of CCP's universe, is that they had took the Minmatar as slaves, and I was opposed already.
Obviously, this is not the full picture. But first impressions count, and that's what I got, and that's most likely what another average player felt.
Definitely agree that first impressions are a big deal and that a lot of people read Amarr and slavery and instantly hate them, even though they are not quite the bad guys first impressions would lead you to believe. Of course PIE is working on a way to better inform new Dusters on who the Amarr are before they make up their minds, because people like you are already pretty locked in your belief against Amarr which is totally fine! Still, there are plenty of players supporting all sides so I would not suspect this to be the root of the problem in FW. The indoctrination runs deep in this one. But since he's been granted immortality, he may have time to see through the lies and adopt a life that has conscious meaning. Until them we'll just keep putting him down. I like to think of it as tough love. Idoctrination is not really what I would say. The more I discuss the nature of the factions in FW with other players, from all walks of life, the more I believe the Amarr are doing the right thing IN NEW EDEN. |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Cult of War
353
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:22:00 -
[38] - Quote
The FW map is all determining how it looks on EVE. Even if amarr had won 100% of every FW match in the past 3 months and the EVE side of Amarr FW did nothing that map would look the same.
The thing that Dust does is make it easier for the EVE players to take systems. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2372
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:25:00 -
[39] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:I mean it is odd. Many of the matches PIE Ground Deployment squad enter end with EVE support and the win, yet we never gain ground.
Sadly I feel there are only 30ish players who actively make a difference to Amarr FW. You should of seen some of the ridiculous efforts PIE and company put together for Amarr FW while you were gone. Look, if the rest of those who support Amarr is FW are simply terribad then I'm upset but I can accept that, so long as our efforts make some impact. We went above and beyond the call, many straight hours of victories for Amarr day-in-day-out, with multiple squads searching for multiple battles, yet at the end of the day our opposition still holds 99%. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2372
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:26:00 -
[40] - Quote
Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:The FW map is all determining how it looks on EVE. Even if amarr had won 100% of every FW match in the past 3 months and the EVE side of Amarr FW did nothing that map would look the same.
The thing that Dust does is make it easier for the EVE players to take systems. That's what I originally thought, but is not the case. The FW map we see in Dust is in fact detailing Dust-side control. |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2430
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:28:00 -
[41] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:True Adamance wrote:I mean it is odd. Many of the matches PIE Ground Deployment squad enter end with EVE support and the win, yet we never gain ground.
Sadly I feel there are only 30ish players who actively make a difference to Amarr FW. You should of seen some of the ridiculous efforts PIE and company put together for Amarr FW while you were gone. Look, if the rest of those who support Amarr is FW are simply terribad then I'm upset but I can accept that, so long as our efforts make some impact. We went above and beyond the call, many straight hours of victories for Amarr day-in-day-out, with multiple squads searching for multiple battles, yet at the end of the day our opposition still holds 99%. I can believe it.
I know how hard we have been working.
Great matches against the Minmatar, a lot of fun all around, good wins, tough losses, but Dust should have some impact on the space war, and should pendulum. I mean PIE, Immortal Retribution, Hectationchires, and EoN have been doing some great things, you would think that we would atleast have claimed one system, in a meaningful way. |
Rowdy Railgunner
TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN.
48
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:29:00 -
[42] - Quote
I think that CCP needs to implement a lobby server instead of straight match making and allow a commander to take whole corps or just allied squads together into battle. That way if you want to defend the area you just took you can single it out and defend it. As it stands you are just getting sent willy nilly all over the universe and there is no real attraction to keeping a certain side in your playlist. Personally I just sync up for either Cal mil/ Amarr or do Minny / Gal mil. And if I really don't care i just sync up all 4 empires and fight for whoever, I am a merc after all. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2373
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:31:00 -
[43] - Quote
Vrain Matari wrote: The indoctrination runs deep in this one. But since he's been granted immortality, he may have time to see through the lies and adopt a life that has conscious meaning.
Until them we'll just keep putting him down. I like to think of it as tough love.
You realize the same could be said for you or anyone? Stating someone only supports a faction due to indoctrination or brainwash is getting moot. Anyways, I'm not really trying to start some IC debate here. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2430
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:36:00 -
[44] - Quote
Rowdy Railgunner wrote:I think that CCP needs to implement a lobby server instead of straight match making and allow a commander to take whole corps or just allied squads together into battle. That way if you want to defend the area you just took you can single it out and defend it. As it stands you are just getting sent willy nilly all over the universe and there is no real attraction to keeping a certain side in your playlist. Personally I just sync up for either Cal mil/ Amarr or do Minny / Gal mil. And if I really don't care i just sync up all 4 empires and fight for whoever, I am a merc after all. Perhaps FW corps EVE side can lay out corporate contracts for specific corps and groups to fight in. This might even allow corps to make a difference or encourage other corps to start trying to make a difference. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1109
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:39:00 -
[45] - Quote
My corp plays fw about 90% of the time and the teams are always us vs npc corps or us vs two of you pie guys. Rarely do you ever have organized support on the Amarr side. At least on the minmatar side we seem to get a fair amount of competent solo or small squads.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2433
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:44:00 -
[46] - Quote
Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:My corp plays fw about 90% of the time and the teams are always us vs npc corps or us vs two of you pie guys. Rarely do you ever have organized support on the Amarr side. At least on the minmatar side we seem to get a fair amount of competent solo or small squads.
Our squad tend to be made up of regular allies from other corps. FW is not big, our way was not to recruit using PC as a buzz word, nor was it to be the best corp in the game, it was to be the best Amarrian corp int he game. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1109
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:54:00 -
[47] - Quote
I don't mean anything insulting about my comment. My apologies if it seemed that way. You guys always do well no argument there. You can tell when you've got a full squad. Only one squad can do so much though. I'm just saying that in the game of who gets stuck with a bunch of Bambi's it's usually the Amarr. Which is a shame. Every now and again team players fight for the Amarr w the otger regular amarr supprters and those are awesome fights. I really wish fw had more of these intense fights. They're often too one sided. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2433
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:56:00 -
[48] - Quote
Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:I don't mean anything insulting about my comment. My apologies if it seemed that way. You guys always do well no argument there. You can tell when you've got a full squad. Only one squad can do so much though. I'm just saying that in the game of who gets stuck with a bunch of Bambi's it's usually the Amarr. Which is a shame. Every now and again team players fight for the Amarr and those are awesome fights. I really wish fw had more of these intense fights. They're often too one sided.
Nah no offense taken.
Issue is players don't care enough or know enough about the game to make and informed decision and those that do all follow the same path to the same ending place. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1109
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:57:00 -
[49] - Quote
Militias need a better way to organize and deploy. Plain and simple. |
Rowdy Railgunner
TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN.
48
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:12:00 -
[50] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:Rowdy Railgunner wrote:I think that CCP needs to implement a lobby server instead of straight match making and allow a commander to take whole corps or just allied squads together into battle. That way if you want to defend the area you just took you can single it out and defend it. As it stands you are just getting sent willy nilly all over the universe and there is no real attraction to keeping a certain side in your playlist. Personally I just sync up for either Cal mil/ Amarr or do Minny / Gal mil. And if I really don't care i just sync up all 4 empires and fight for whoever, I am a merc after all. Perhaps FW corps EVE side can lay out corporate contracts for specific corps and groups to fight in. This might even allow corps to make a difference or encourage other corps to start trying to make a difference. That and make flipping the system EVE side reliant on DUST side ownership. Would bring the games closer together and it is only FW so not really that game breaking EVE side. It would also be a great test for when they want to implement DUST into null sec sovereignty.
Or a possible test for boarding parties, make the hub in a FW system vulnerable to merc attack by the EVE players getting 100% in a system, smashing the hub and then have a "Rush" type game mode, I think we had that once remember people, where the attacking side has to break into the hub and hack the control center to turn it to your factions side. So maybe 3-4 objective defenses that you have to break down until you reach the control deck and take it over. Only fault I see with this is that there would be no OB.
Easy fix to that is add in different types of EWAR that can be used for boarding parties. Some examples would be better repair efficiency for local and remote reps for defenders and attackers (lore- since the hub is blown open trit can now be used as a nanite compound due to no atmosphere), lower scan signatures for attackers, ECM that would not allow scanners (suit or active module) to work for defenders and attackers and would target both teams simultaneously (think burst ECM), increased sensor strength for defenders (due to the hub internal defenses scanning out the attacking team)... Maybe people can come up with some others that would be better. Just spit-balling here. |
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Mechoj Nomreps
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
112
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:13:00 -
[51] - Quote
Dead six initiative always fight for the Caldari, we do however accept all races as allies, as this is only pragmatic. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2440
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:39:00 -
[52] - Quote
Mechoj Nomreps wrote:Dead six initiative always fight for the Caldari, we do however accept all races as allies, as this is only pragmatic. The do FW properly I would spend a lot more time flying for your guys.... Since I wont have the skils to fully embrace the way D6 is set up now for a few weeks I'll be offline a lot more. |
Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
120
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:56:00 -
[53] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:To be honest I'm happy that more people want to participate in FW, however I do believe FW needs some mild restrictions as many of the players I come across really should be doing public contracts a little more. In fairness, CCP doesn't really do a good job explaining to people what FW is and how it differs from Public contracts. When so many players are using FW as matchmaking 2.0, it can be hard for any group to make any real impact since, unlike EVE, there is a limit to how many people can attack or defend a specific spot at one time.
I've mentioned this before, but it needs to be said: Public contract battles (skirmish) were breeding grounds for pubstomping. I've noticed more and more NPC characters move over to FW throughout the past month...but now FW is beginning to resemble the public battles. There's simply nowhere safe for inexperienced/solo players to go now.
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Vin Vicious
Capital Acquisitions LLC Public Disorder.
528
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Posted - 2013.09.30 22:03:00 -
[54] - Quote
My corp primarily does Caldari FW and rarely lose
so EVE side caldari FW need to get their **** together cause we're doing our part |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
984
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Posted - 2013.09.30 22:05:00 -
[55] - Quote
I've noticed that Caldari and Amarrian FW players's gun game is lacking. It's pretty easy to keep my HAV's alive. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
984
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Posted - 2013.09.30 22:06:00 -
[56] - Quote
Vin Vicious wrote:My corp primarily does Caldari FW and rarely lose
so EVE side caldari FW need to get their **** together cause we're doing our part
**** your corp. For the Federation! |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2441
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Posted - 2013.09.30 22:57:00 -
[57] - Quote
Godin Thekiller wrote:I've noticed that Caldari and Amarrian FW players's gun game is lacking. It's pretty easy to keep my HAV's alive. That's a joke, gotta say the minnies are terrible shots.
Sept that Damn Reav Hanamari.
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Mechoj Nomreps
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
113
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Posted - 2013.09.30 23:11:00 -
[58] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:I've noticed that Caldari and Amarrian FW players's gun game is lacking. It's pretty easy to keep my HAV's alive. That's a joke, gotta say the minnies are terrible shots. Sept that Damn Reav Hanamari.
A pity we never go against eachother so you can feel my shotgun :) |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2445
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Posted - 2013.09.30 23:30:00 -
[59] - Quote
Mechoj Nomreps wrote:True Adamance wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:I've noticed that Caldari and Amarrian FW players's gun game is lacking. It's pretty easy to keep my HAV's alive. That's a joke, gotta say the minnies are terrible shots. Sept that Damn Reav Hanamari. A pity we never go against eachother so you can feel my shotgun :) I don't have to worry about that mate. I drive a tank. PLus you aren't even Matari Mr Mechoj Caldaripants. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
4306
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Posted - 2013.10.01 00:28:00 -
[60] - Quote
@OP better question would be to ask do ppl actually care about FW?????? |
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Arx Ardashir
Imperium Aeternum
241
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Posted - 2013.10.01 00:52:00 -
[61] - Quote
Mavado V Noriega wrote:@OP better question would be to ask do ppl actually care about FW?????? "Hurr hurr, look at me!"
On topic: EVE side the Amarr are gaining ground. Over the last two weeks of September the Amarr have gone from 1 system to 14, despite losing a few of the regained ones along the way.
It's easier to deal with the unskilled and uncommited in EVE because of its open world design. Of course, that same design means you can have one guy basically just afking by himself and winning plexes (the EVE analogue to districts, as stated by Mr. Whale), which is a rather boring undertaking, so it likely won't come to DUST. I don't see why it shouldn't down the line, though, as if they opened up all the districts to be played in at any time, you'd only be avoiding the fights if you chose to, just as in EVE.
This would be a change far down the line, however, and I'm short of ideas for changes that could come sooner.
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2383
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:04:00 -
[62] - Quote
20 minutes ago my squad attacked Lantorn IV District 6 and took over control. Literally not even a minute later our second squad reported to be defending Lantorn IV District 6, the very same district. Are you serious? After owning the district for not even a single minute it is already under attack? Come on CCP!!!! |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2451
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:06:00 -
[63] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:20 minutes ago my squad attacked Lantorn IV District 6 and took over control. Literally not even a minute later our second squad reported to be defending Lantorn IV District 6, the very same district. Are you serious? After owning the district for not even a single minute it is already under attack? Come on CCP!!!! Confirmed we had a second squad running in that mission and an EVE pilot above the battle. |
Mechoj Nomreps
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
113
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Posted - 2013.10.01 08:31:00 -
[64] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:Mechoj Nomreps wrote:True Adamance wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:I've noticed that Caldari and Amarrian FW players's gun game is lacking. It's pretty easy to keep my HAV's alive. That's a joke, gotta say the minnies are terrible shots. Sept that Damn Reav Hanamari. A pity we never go against eachother so you can feel my shotgun :) I don't have to worry about that mate. I drive a tank. PLus you aren't even Matari Mr Mechoj Caldaripants.
Tanks have to worry about my remotes :)
and if I could change the race of my main I would do that immediately. Back in Januari I was not aware of the possibilities of the different races.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
285
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Posted - 2013.10.01 10:45:00 -
[65] - Quote
Anything to improve fw. |
Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1889
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Posted - 2013.10.01 10:47:00 -
[66] - Quote
Upon reading through this thread, it would seem there's some confusion and ignorance towards each playable race; What ideals they represent and their origins. I just wanted to post this wall of text to maybe inform some of the community interested; who really have no idea.
Amarr The second to emerge from the dark age was the mighty Amarr Empire, who conquered their original home planet. Merely 2'000 years ago the Amarr rediscovered space flight and began to explore their home system. Soon after, an intact stargate was found in their very own system. The Amarr proceeded to reverse engineer the celestial object and uncover the secrets behind it. It was in 21290 AD the Amarr constructed the first modern stargate and connected it to the nearby system of Hedion. They began to slowly explore space, conquering planets and nations such as the Minmatar Republic as they traversed through solar system to solar system. Eventually in 23508 AD, the Amarr Empire finally discovered the warp drive, enabling them to expand at a much more rapid pace. In doing so they met the Gallente, Caldari and Jove empires within a short space of time in 23180 AD. The Amarr thought the Gallente were too powerful to conquer so they set their sights on what appeared to be a vulnerable race, the Jove. After a crushing defeat by the Jove, the Amarr retreated only to find the Minmatar had used the opportunity to break free from slavery and cast the Amarr out of their system. This embarrassing ordeal forced the Amarr into a state of recovery and, ever since, have been acting more cautiously, developing a more peaceful stance towards the rest of the cluster.
Caldari The Caldari were first exposed to space after the arrival of the Gallente on their home planet in 22517 AD. The Gallente helped to advance the Caldari, sharing their technology and allowing the Caldari to expand out into space under the Gallente's wing. The Caldari, in collaboration with the Gallente developed the first modern warp drive in the cluster in 22821 AD. The Caldari used this opportunity to expand rapidly, outside the view of the Gallente. The Caldari, finding the cultural imperialism of the Gallente oppressive, kept their colonies secret. The inevitable discovery by the Gallente in 23155 AD led to the outbreak of the Gallente-Caldari War. The Caldari, sheerly outnumbered were forced to flee their home world and founded an independent State in their own sector of space. After nearly a century of warring with the Gallente, both sides became exhausted by the simmering war. A peace treaty was eventually agreed upon and signed in 23248 AD.
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Gallente The Gallente first discovered the Caldari in 22463 AD, but were unable to contact them, putting a halt on their space exploration. Contact with the Caldari was eventually Established in 22517 AD. In 22588 AD they developed and constructed their first stargate. Who, unlike the Amarr didn't have an intact stargate to study, leading to a slightly different design than the Amarr's version. The Gallente expanded, and eventually discovered the Intaki and Mannar civilizations. And as with the Caldari, the Gallente took in these smaller civilizations, granting them technology that allowed them to expand into space. After the first modern warp drive was constructed, with help of the Caldari, the Gallente founded the Federation, along with the Caldari, Intaki and Mannar in 23121 AD. However, the Gallente discovered several secret Caldari colonies in 23155 AD and scrutinized the Caldari for not abiding to Federation Law. This conflict eventually escalated, which led to the Caldari leaving the Federation and forming their own Nation. War boke out between the two nations, millions were left dead and after a stalemate a peace treaty was signed in 23248 AD.
Minmatar The Minmatar discovered space flight in 21413 AD, the following centuries were spent exploring and colonizing further star systems. Unlike the other colonies, the Minmatar didn't create their own stargates. Instead they found several still-working gates and used them to expand across three systems. They are also responsible for developing a faster-than-light (FTL) travel system, which was later copied by the other nations. These objects were called acceleration gates and allowed the Minmatar to catapult themselves across systems. The Minmatar lived in peace and prosperity for several centuries and, unlike other nations didn't feel the need to expand beyond their limited reach. This proved to be their detriment, as the Amarr discovered them and invaded in 22355 AD. The Amarr were far more technologically advanced than the Minmatar at the time and as such, were able to easily bypass their defences. The Amarr proceeded to enslave millions in an event now known to the Minmatar as the Day of Darkness. After the Amarr attack on the Jove had failed, the Minmatar, with help from the Gallente, managed to break free of their shackles and send the Amarr running from their home system and a few others as well. This expanded territory gave them a strong foundation to rebuild their civilization. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2390
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Posted - 2013.10.01 10:51:00 -
[67] - Quote
^Good info, but not the appropriate thread for this. Please stay on topic! |
steadyhand amarr
Amarr S.A.D
1433
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Posted - 2013.10.01 10:54:00 -
[68] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:20 minutes ago my squad attacked Lantorn IV District 6 and took over control. Literally not even a minute later our second squad reported to be defending Lantorn IV District 6, the very same district. Are you serious? After owning the district for not even a single minute it is already under attack? Come on CCP!!!!
The good news is all you will need is a simple 10 minute lock but on the district. Though they will likely have to reset the planets now :-( |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2390
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Posted - 2013.10.01 10:57:00 -
[69] - Quote
steadyhand amarr wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:20 minutes ago my squad attacked Lantorn IV District 6 and took over control. Literally not even a minute later our second squad reported to be defending Lantorn IV District 6, the very same district. Are you serious? After owning the district for not even a single minute it is already under attack? Come on CCP!!!! The good news is all you will need is a simple 10 minute lock but on the district. Though they will likely have to reset the planets now :-( To be honest, I do not believe 10 minutes is nearly long enough. I'm thinking something in the range of multiple hours. However, to do that they would first need a system in place where every battle isn't a "winner takes all" like it is now. Battles on a district need progression towards the final blow which would flip the district and lock it temporarily. |
ANON Illuminati
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
265
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Posted - 2013.10.01 11:21:00 -
[70] - Quote
we started fighting for the caldar and amarr for a while to bring them up in wins as well. but seems that most ppl want it the easy way. but owell as long as theres an underdog we will fight for it. |
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Rogue Saint
Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse
260
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Posted - 2013.10.01 11:34:00 -
[71] - Quote
Mavado V Noriega wrote:@OP better question would be to ask do ppl actually care about FW??????
My corp and its members certainly care for how the Matari/Amarr FW is going. Sure there are very few tangible benefits to dust FW at the moment other than bragging rights for how the map is coloured. This is where players imagination, the cornerstone of New Eden, comes into play. Many will concoct stories and background for the battle won and lost, sure this can be seen as RP, but hey if this makes ppl happy props to them.
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
132992
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Posted - 2013.10.01 11:49:00 -
[72] - Quote
Pretty much a combination of 1 and 3.
Gallente and Minmatar had some more skilled players, took almost all the districts, and now are having an easier time keeping it like that. We basically don't do any matchmaking on FW matches, think of them as being for more veteran players.
We do have... some changes coming to FW in the more near future that should hopefully help balance this out. :) Game Designer // Team True Grit http://twitter.com/regnerba |
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
573
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Posted - 2013.10.01 11:55:00 -
[73] - Quote
If I play FW on this character, which happens to be a Heavy, the teams I usually get placed in end up losing terribly.
However, on my MinLogi alt, things go much more smoothly, especially when I squad up with some of my corp members from OSG. |
IceShifter Childhaspawn
DUST University Ivy League
295
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Posted - 2013.10.01 11:59:00 -
[74] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:^Good info, but not the appropriate thread for this. Please stay on topic!
I disagree. I think these back stories are the reasons which cause players to choose their FW allegiance. RP as you will -but people (not so hard for politicians) from 1st and 2nd world nations have a hard time supporting factions (even imaginary ones) which support slavery or fascism. Little as I actually invest (RP wise) into my character. I would never fight for Amarr or Caldari for those reasons alone.
You can blame matchmaking or farming or whatever you like. The fact is that Amarr and Caldari lost, and will continue to lose because those factions are unpopular -Not because the game treats them unfairly. |
steadyhand amarr
Amarr S.A.D
1433
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Posted - 2013.10.01 12:20:00 -
[75] - Quote
CCP FoxFour wrote:Pretty much a combination of 1 and 3.
Gallente and Minmatar had some more skilled players, took almost all the districts, and now are having an easier time keeping it like that. We basically don't do any matchmaking on FW matches, think of them as being for more veteran players.
We do have... some changes coming to FW in the more near future that should hopefully help balance this out. :)
Uhh that post sounds like u missed the point.
We cant anything back because we are forced into constant defense. Squads should be able to decide if they want to attack or defend before a contract for that district goes public or somthing.
Also need to be careful locking things up as you could end up locking the whole map :-D |
Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1020
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Posted - 2013.10.01 14:58:00 -
[76] - Quote
CCP FoxFour wrote:Pretty much a combination of 1 and 3.
Gallente and Minmatar had some more skilled players, took almost all the districts, and now are having an easier time keeping it like that. We basically don't do any matchmaking on FW matches, think of them as being for more veteran players.
We do have... some changes coming to FW in the more near future that should hopefully help balance this out. :)
Can we get a post on what exactly you have planned for FW in the more near future, as well as an estimate? 1.6? 1.7? 1.8? |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2019
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:04:00 -
[77] - Quote
CCP FoxFour wrote:Pretty much a combination of 1 and 3.
Gallente and Minmatar had some more skilled players, took almost all the districts, and now are having an easier time keeping it like that. We basically don't do any matchmaking on FW matches, think of them as being for more veteran players.
We do have... some changes coming to FW in the more near future that should hopefully help balance this out. :) = no time soon in the foreseeable future.
Hopefully they don't put matchmaking in FW. That defeats the purpose of it. When I played it was the only place to have decent matches because lolpubs were filled with your average DUST idiots. |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
208
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:06:00 -
[78] - Quote
CCP FoxFour wrote:Pretty much a combination of 1 and 3.
Gallente and Minmatar had some more skilled players, took almost all the districts, and now are having an easier time keeping it like that. We basically don't do any matchmaking on FW matches, think of them as being for more veteran players.
We do have... some changes coming to FW in the more near future that should hopefully help balance this out. :) You tell em. |
Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1320
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:09:00 -
[79] - Quote
IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:^Good info, but not the appropriate thread for this. Please stay on topic! I disagree. I think these back stories are the reasons which cause players to choose their FW allegiance. RP as you will -but people (not so hard for politicians) from 1st and 2nd world nations have a hard time supporting factions (even imaginary ones) which support slavery or fascism. Little as I actually invest (RP wise) into my character. I would never fight for Amarr or Caldari for those reasons alone. You can blame matchmaking or farming or whatever you like. The fact is that Amarr and Caldari lost, and will continue to lose because those factions are unpopular -Not because the game treats them unfairly. So you support Corruption and (Can't remeber the bad thing about the minmatar)? |
GVGMODE
WorstPlayersEver
61
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:44:00 -
[80] - Quote
CCP FoxFour wrote:Pretty much a combination of 1 and 3.
Gallente and Minmatar had some more skilled players, took almost all the districts, and now are having an easier time keeping it like that. We basically don't do any matchmaking on FW matches, think of them as being for more veteran players.
We do have... some changes coming to FW in the more near future that should hopefully help balance this out. :)
Expect it in 1.9 |
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
590
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Posted - 2013.10.01 15:46:00 -
[81] - Quote
GVGMODE wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Pretty much a combination of 1 and 3.
Gallente and Minmatar had some more skilled players, took almost all the districts, and now are having an easier time keeping it like that. We basically don't do any matchmaking on FW matches, think of them as being for more veteran players.
We do have... some changes coming to FW in the more near future that should hopefully help balance this out. :) Expect it in 1.9 sorry that will be pushed back to 235134123.9 |
Crimson Judgment
ROGUE SPADES EoN.
125
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Posted - 2013.10.01 16:03:00 -
[82] - Quote
sorry to hear that your minmatar slave are giving your districts away behind your back lol but that sounds like a biased system to me |
First Prophet
Unkn0wn Killers
1118
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Posted - 2013.10.01 16:28:00 -
[83] - Quote
CCP FoxFour wrote:Pretty much a combination of 1 and 3.
Gallente and Minmatar had some more skilled players, took almost all the districts Foxfour confirms Gallente and Winmatar better than Kalamari and Amarr.
Say it with me everyone.
Trust. In. DAT RUST. |
RED FARM
Gespenster Kompanie Villore Accords
0
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Posted - 2013.10.01 16:37:00 -
[84] - Quote
Our corp and alliance fight for Gallente and Minitar due to that alliance. The Eve part of the corp does thier part and us Dust Groupos do ours. We also fight from two continents to minize losses due to time zone issues.
Be a citizen and join up. Ask me how.
Search for GESKO in corp finder. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2469
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:42:00 -
[85] - Quote
ANON Illuminati wrote:we started fighting for the caldar and amarr for a while to bring them up in wins as well. but seems that most ppl want it the easy way. but owell as long as theres an underdog we will fight for it. I did see some ANONYMOUS fighting for the Amarr which was an amazing good match, I basically spent the entire time watching Akubaris as he went around the map in his tank.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2469
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:44:00 -
[86] - Quote
First Prophet wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Pretty much a combination of 1 and 3.
Gallente and Minmatar had some more skilled players, took almost all the districts Foxfour confirms Gallente and Winmatar better than Kalamari and Amarr. Say it with me everyone. Trust. In. DAT RUST. Fox Four is a scrub and has nothing on Wolfman.
Dirty Liberalist..... and to think I used to like Fox four. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2400
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:56:00 -
[87] - Quote
IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:You can blame matchmaking or farming or whatever you like. The fact is that Amarr and Caldari lost, and will continue to lose because those factions are unpopular -Not because the game treats them unfairly. That is debatable.
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2400
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:58:00 -
[88] - Quote
CCP FoxFour wrote:Pretty much a combination of 1 and 3.
Gallente and Minmatar had some more skilled players, took almost all the districts, and now are having an easier time keeping it like that. We basically don't do any matchmaking on FW matches, think of them as being for more veteran players.
We do have... some changes coming to FW in the more near future that should hopefully help balance this out. :) Thanks for the response, but it still doesn't really explain how we can organize multiple squads to do a marathon for Amarr FW and win nearly every single match, yet unable to make any difference on the star map. |
steadyhand amarr
Amarr S.A.D
1442
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Posted - 2013.10.01 19:29:00 -
[89] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Pretty much a combination of 1 and 3.
Gallente and Minmatar had some more skilled players, took almost all the districts, and now are having an easier time keeping it like that. We basically don't do any matchmaking on FW matches, think of them as being for more veteran players.
We do have... some changes coming to FW in the more near future that should hopefully help balance this out. :) Thanks for the response, but it still doesn't really explain how we can organize multiple squads to do a marathon for Amarr FW and win nearly every single match, yet unable to make any difference on the star map.
to be honest our blue dots really are that bad, and iv seen a lot of sabotage going on, IE blocking points shooting dropships, killing themselves over and over basicly been as unhelpful as possible
im just giving up on FW its clear we will never get anywhere and foxfour made it pretty clear FW working as insteaded |
First Prophet
Unkn0wn Killers
1123
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Posted - 2013.10.01 19:34:00 -
[90] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:First Prophet wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Pretty much a combination of 1 and 3.
Gallente and Minmatar had some more skilled players, took almost all the districts Foxfour confirms Gallente and Winmatar better than Kalamari and Amarr. Say it with me everyone. Trust. In. DAT RUST. Fox Four is a scrub and has nothing on Wolfman. Dirty Liberalist..... and to think I used to like Fox four. They're devs. They're all terrible scrubs.
Foxfour does have control over FW so you should probably watch what you say. Although it's not like foxfour can make the Amarr lose anymore than they already do. |
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Leither Yiltron
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
737
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Posted - 2013.10.01 19:40:00 -
[91] - Quote
Ryme Intrinseca wrote:I'm curious, who are the most active faction warfare corps and who do they fight for? I barely touch it so have no idea. This might also help answer the OPs question, if it turns out there are loads of corps fighting for Min/Gal. So far we have:
PIE inc - Amarr Science for Death - Minmatar
ROFL fights for the Federation. Yes, all of us. We use it instead of pub matches and do q-syncs often filling mostof an entire team. |
Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
185
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Posted - 2013.10.01 19:41:00 -
[92] - Quote
Only read the first page of this thread but would like to point out in case no one has stepped up and said it already:
The Covert Intervention alliance has just finished a month long FW campaign for Gallente in both EVE and DUST.
Our alliance supports Gallente in EVE and so this carries over to all corporations in DUST (although I have seen some members ignoring this obligation). Throughout this FW campaign and even outside of it we try to q-sync as much as possible and near enough always win.
If you are still adding to that list you can find 13 for Gallente >here< |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2401
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Posted - 2013.10.01 19:42:00 -
[93] - Quote
A few things,
1) Yes FoxFour, I understand FW doesn't do matchmaking from the entire player pool, but it has to match up people from matches in some form or fashion based on who is queued for what faction.
2) FoxFour confirmed that because the Gallente and Minmatar have most districts they have an easy job keeping it this way. That is pretty much acknowledging that FW as it is now is broken, you get put in a hole you can't possibly dig yourself out of (as evident by the success of PIE and PIE supporters dominating Amarr FW and nothing changes). How can you let Dust side FW affect EVE side FW in any form when it is so badly broken at the moment?
3) A lot of us would still like some graphs regarding who's winning how many battles in FW, because even if Gallente/Minmatar have more good players, there is no way they are winning 99% of all FW battles. I mean, I've been in a squad where we won 20 straight matches in FW, you telling me that is only good enough for 1%? So that was countered by 1,980 wins that day for the Minmatar? Huh. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2401
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Posted - 2013.10.01 19:47:00 -
[94] - Quote
Flint Beastgood III wrote:Only read the first page of this thread but would like to point out in case no one has stepped up and said it already: The Covert Intervention alliance has just finished a month long FW campaign for Gallente in both EVE and DUST. Our alliance supports Gallente in EVE and so this carries over to all corporations in DUST (although I have seen some members ignoring this obligation). Throughout this FW campaign and even outside of it we try to q-sync as much as possible and near enough always win. If you are still adding to that list you can find 13 for Gallente > here< Yes, someone has stepped up and said this . . . in the very first post! Look man, I acknowledged that there are corporations and alliances making big pushes in Dust FW winning most there matches. Hey guess what? PIE, PIE supporters, and EoN has made a push all this month for Amarr FW and won well over 90% of those matches! You know what, I'm sure there's a ton of squads out there supporting their faction and winning most there matches.
What I'm saying is, something really weird is happening outside of these matches. I mean, if someone were asked to draw a conclusion on the status of FW after only watching matches I've been in, they would say that Amarr holds the vast majority of districts.
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Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
185
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Posted - 2013.10.01 19:53:00 -
[95] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:Flint Beastgood III wrote:Only read the first page of this thread but would like to point out in case no one has stepped up and said it already: The Covert Intervention alliance has just finished a month long FW campaign for Gallente in both EVE and DUST. Our alliance supports Gallente in EVE and so this carries over to all corporations in DUST (although I have seen some members ignoring this obligation). Throughout this FW campaign and even outside of it we try to q-sync as much as possible and near enough always win. If you are still adding to that list you can find 13 for Gallente > here< Yes, someone has stepped up and said this . . . in the very first post! Look man, I acknowledged that there are corporations and alliances making big pushes in Dust FW winning most there matches. Hey guess what? PIE, PIE supporters, and EoN has made a push all this month for Amarr FW and won well over 90% of those matches! You know what, I'm sure there's a ton of squads out there supporting their faction and winning most there matches. What I'm saying is, something really weird is happening outside of these matches. I mean, if someone were asked to draw a conclusion on the status of FW after only watching matches I've been in, they would say that Amarr holds the vast majority of districts.
You said that Covert Intervention has been on a month long FW campaign? Damn, I must have overlooked that. FYI that is what I was referring to when I wrote "if no one has stepped up and said it already" - to clarify.
And yes, I can see what you are saying.
EDIT: I see it may have been confusing as I didn't quote post#12 as intended. |
Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
185
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Posted - 2013.10.01 19:56:00 -
[96] - Quote
IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:^Good info, but not the appropriate thread for this. Please stay on topic! I disagree. I think these back stories are the reasons which cause players to choose their FW allegiance. RP as you will -but people (not so hard for politicians) from 1st and 2nd world nations have a hard time supporting factions (even imaginary ones) which support slavery or fascism. Little as I actually invest (RP wise) into my character. I would never fight for Amarr or Caldari for those reasons alone. You can blame matchmaking or farming or whatever you like. The fact is that Amarr and Caldari lost, and will continue to lose because those factions are unpopular -Not because the game treats them unfairly.
+1
The moment I heard "slaves" I was turned away from the Amarr. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2471
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:00:00 -
[97] - Quote
Flint Beastgood III wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Flint Beastgood III wrote:Only read the first page of this thread but would like to point out in case no one has stepped up and said it already: The Covert Intervention alliance has just finished a month long FW campaign for Gallente in both EVE and DUST. Our alliance supports Gallente in EVE and so this carries over to all corporations in DUST (although I have seen some members ignoring this obligation). Throughout this FW campaign and even outside of it we try to q-sync as much as possible and near enough always win. If you are still adding to that list you can find 13 for Gallente > here< Yes, someone has stepped up and said this . . . in the very first post! Look man, I acknowledged that there are corporations and alliances making big pushes in Dust FW winning most there matches. Hey guess what? PIE, PIE supporters, and EoN has made a push all this month for Amarr FW and won well over 90% of those matches! You know what, I'm sure there's a ton of squads out there supporting their faction and winning most there matches. What I'm saying is, something really weird is happening outside of these matches. I mean, if someone were asked to draw a conclusion on the status of FW after only watching matches I've been in, they would say that Amarr holds the vast majority of districts. You said that Covert Intervention has been on a month long FW campaign? Damn, I must have overlooked that. FYI that is what I was referring to when I wrote "if no one has stepped up and said it already" - to clarify. And yes, I can see what you are saying. This is also rather negligible since PIE Inc is always on an Amarr Campaign, always complexing, always Q-Syncing when we can, etc.
Admittedly we aren't as big as your alliance but the results from out players are always the same always better than 1 loss for every five wins, the issue Aero is talking about is that Dust Contracts are constantly generated, this means the side with the lower number of contracts automatically is at a disadvantage before the match even begins because all Offensive contracts are vastly more concentrated against those districts while defensive contracts are set to the few systems under attack by the winning side. As we said earlier it was a matter of us winning a match and immediately afterwards seeing that same district under attack again.....
This does not sit with the FW style of pendulum swings. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2471
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:03:00 -
[98] - Quote
Flint Beastgood III wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:^Good info, but not the appropriate thread for this. Please stay on topic! I disagree. I think these back stories are the reasons which cause players to choose their FW allegiance. RP as you will -but people (not so hard for politicians) from 1st and 2nd world nations have a hard time supporting factions (even imaginary ones) which support slavery or fascism. Little as I actually invest (RP wise) into my character. I would never fight for Amarr or Caldari for those reasons alone. You can blame matchmaking or farming or whatever you like. The fact is that Amarr and Caldari lost, and will continue to lose because those factions are unpopular -Not because the game treats them unfairly. +1 The moment I heard "slaves" I was turned away from the Amarr. Though I cannot understand why since this is only a game....
Plus I find players who follow the word democracy or freedom boring and generally not worth engaging in RPing with.... the occasional few I do are very knowledgeable and tend to be more unique than the standard "American hero" archetype.
I mean gods sake this is new eden, you could be anything, you could be a pirate, you could be a criminal, you could be a soldier pressed into service bitter against his own nation but still loyal to the cause..... there are so many things people can be in New Eden but they choose not to for no other reason than to follow the crowd. |
Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
186
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:06:00 -
[99] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:Flint Beastgood III wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:^Good info, but not the appropriate thread for this. Please stay on topic! I disagree. I think these back stories are the reasons which cause players to choose their FW allegiance. RP as you will -but people (not so hard for politicians) from 1st and 2nd world nations have a hard time supporting factions (even imaginary ones) which support slavery or fascism. Little as I actually invest (RP wise) into my character. I would never fight for Amarr or Caldari for those reasons alone. You can blame matchmaking or farming or whatever you like. The fact is that Amarr and Caldari lost, and will continue to lose because those factions are unpopular -Not because the game treats them unfairly. +1 The moment I heard "slaves" I was turned away from the Amarr. Though I cannot understand why since this is only a game.... Plus I find players who follow the word democracy or freedom boring and generally not worth engaging in RPing with.... the occasional few I do are very knowledgeable and tend to be more unique than the standard "American hero" archetype. I mean gods sake this is new eden, you could be anything, you could be a pirate, you could be a criminal, you could be a soldier pressed into service bitter against his own nation but still loyal to the cause..... there are so many things people can be in New Eden but they choose not to for no other reason than to follow the crowd.
Yeah, it is just a game but I'm not heavily invested in RP and so any game character I create will ultimately reflect myself.
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2405
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:08:00 -
[100] - Quote
Flint Beastgood III wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:^Good info, but not the appropriate thread for this. Please stay on topic! I disagree. I think these back stories are the reasons which cause players to choose their FW allegiance. RP as you will -but people (not so hard for politicians) from 1st and 2nd world nations have a hard time supporting factions (even imaginary ones) which support slavery or fascism. Little as I actually invest (RP wise) into my character. I would never fight for Amarr or Caldari for those reasons alone. You can blame matchmaking or farming or whatever you like. The fact is that Amarr and Caldari lost, and will continue to lose because those factions are unpopular -Not because the game treats them unfairly. +1 The moment I heard "slaves" I was turned away from the Amarr. How about I tell you about the Gallente Federation whose politicians have corrupted the government, able to stay in office as long as they please. The upper class with prestige standards of living while everyone else lives in slums? A economical system where it is made extremely easy for those with high standing to push others off the success ladder as soon as they begin making progress? A drug culture where a substantial majority of civilians are taking life-damaging drugs harming countless innocent lives, and a government who refuses to intervene because the illegal drug trade is the only thing keeping the Gallente economy from crashing?
Yeah, that Gallente Federation? Have fun fighting for corrupt megalomaniacs and drug lords! |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2471
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:10:00 -
[101] - Quote
Flint Beastgood III wrote:True Adamance wrote:Flint Beastgood III wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:^Good info, but not the appropriate thread for this. Please stay on topic! I disagree. I think these back stories are the reasons which cause players to choose their FW allegiance. RP as you will -but people (not so hard for politicians) from 1st and 2nd world nations have a hard time supporting factions (even imaginary ones) which support slavery or fascism. Little as I actually invest (RP wise) into my character. I would never fight for Amarr or Caldari for those reasons alone. You can blame matchmaking or farming or whatever you like. The fact is that Amarr and Caldari lost, and will continue to lose because those factions are unpopular -Not because the game treats them unfairly. +1 The moment I heard "slaves" I was turned away from the Amarr. Though I cannot understand why since this is only a game.... Plus I find players who follow the word democracy or freedom boring and generally not worth engaging in RPing with.... the occasional few I do are very knowledgeable and tend to be more unique than the standard "American hero" archetype. I mean gods sake this is new eden, you could be anything, you could be a pirate, you could be a criminal, you could be a soldier pressed into service bitter against his own nation but still loyal to the cause..... there are so many things people can be in New Eden but they choose not to for no other reason than to follow the crowd. Yeah, it is just a game but I'm not heavily invested in RP and so any game character I create will ultimately reflect myself. Fair enough, though I started to wonder recently what it is about Dust and EVE that makes people create characters that reflect themselves or better versions of themselves.
In anycase I tend to make characters that totally diverge from myself, that I think are interesting and that other people will hopefully find interesting. |
First Prophet
Unkn0wn Killers
1124
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:15:00 -
[102] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:Flint Beastgood III wrote:True Adamance wrote:Flint Beastgood III wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:
I disagree. I think these back stories are the reasons which cause players to choose their FW allegiance. RP as you will -but people (not so hard for politicians) from 1st and 2nd world nations have a hard time supporting factions (even imaginary ones) which support slavery or fascism. Little as I actually invest (RP wise) into my character. I would never fight for Amarr or Caldari for those reasons alone.
You can blame matchmaking or farming or whatever you like. The fact is that Amarr and Caldari lost, and will continue to lose because those factions are unpopular -Not because the game treats them unfairly.
+1 The moment I heard "slaves" I was turned away from the Amarr. Though I cannot understand why since this is only a game.... Plus I find players who follow the word democracy or freedom boring and generally not worth engaging in RPing with.... the occasional few I do are very knowledgeable and tend to be more unique than the standard "American hero" archetype. I mean gods sake this is new eden, you could be anything, you could be a pirate, you could be a criminal, you could be a soldier pressed into service bitter against his own nation but still loyal to the cause..... there are so many things people can be in New Eden but they choose not to for no other reason than to follow the crowd. Yeah, it is just a game but I'm not heavily invested in RP and so any game character I create will ultimately reflect myself. Fair enough, though I started to wonder recently what it is about Dust and EVE that makes people create characters that reflect themselves or better versions of themselves. It's not just dust and eve, that happens everywhere. And people do it because it's easy. You don't need to think about your race's background or some lore somebody else made up. You can just be yourself. It's pretty simple. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2405
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:18:00 -
[103] - Quote
First Prophet wrote: It's not just dust and eve, that happens everywhere. And people do it because it's easy. You don't need to think about your race's background or some lore somebody else made up. You can just be yourself. It's pretty simple.
Except, again, when you assume you understand some race and that it reflects who you are, but missed some pretty big aspects of that race that aren't so great. Go back a couple posts to see the lovely details Gallente players seem to overlook. I could make similarly bad accusations about the Minmatar Republic. |
IceShifter Childhaspawn
DUST University Ivy League
297
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:49:00 -
[104] - Quote
Killar-12 wrote: So you support Corruption and (Can't remeber the bad thing about the minmatar)?
So I have authority issues.
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2411
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:56:00 -
[105] - Quote
IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:Killar-12 wrote: So you support Corruption and (Can't remeber the bad thing about the minmatar)?
So I have authority issues. And domestic violence issues. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
3628
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Posted - 2013.10.01 21:59:00 -
[106] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:Killar-12 wrote: So you support Corruption and (Can't remeber the bad thing about the minmatar)?
So I have authority issues. And domestic violence issues. I like how you accuse someone else of domestic violence when you beat your slaves. |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
405
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Posted - 2013.10.01 22:01:00 -
[107] - Quote
LT SHANKS wrote:If I play FW on this character, which happens to be a Heavy, the teams I usually get placed in end up losing terribly.
However, on my MinLogi alt, things go much more smoothly, especially when I squad up with some of my corp members from OSG. Wat? Who of your alts is in OSG?
Idk if I know you or not lol |
steadyhand amarr
Amarr S.A.D
1445
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Posted - 2013.10.01 22:02:00 -
[108] - Quote
Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:Killar-12 wrote: So you support Corruption and (Can't remeber the bad thing about the minmatar)?
So I have authority issues. And domestic violence issues. I like how you accuse someone else of domestic violence when you beat your slaves.
attacking slaves is a crime. no really it is, holders that are caught abusing their slaves get harshly punished |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2411
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Posted - 2013.10.01 22:47:00 -
[109] - Quote
Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:Killar-12 wrote: So you support Corruption and (Can't remeber the bad thing about the minmatar)?
So I have authority issues. And domestic violence issues. I like how you accuse someone else of domestic violence when you beat your slaves. Except we don't, and as Steady has stated, those who do are violating laws and are criminals. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1459
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Posted - 2013.10.01 22:48:00 -
[110] - Quote
CCP FoxFour wrote:Pretty much a combination of 1 and 3.
Gallente and Minmatar had some more skilled players, took almost all the districts, and now are having an easier time keeping it like that. We basically don't do any matchmaking on FW matches, think of them as being for more veteran players.
We do have... some changes coming to FW in the more near future that should hopefully help balance this out. :)
well thats funny. I might not be ''skilled'' as minmatar and gallante mercs , but i win at least 95% of my FW matches. ALL FOR AMARR.huh. Guess mercs really DONT do a difference in this game as promised.... |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2482
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Posted - 2013.10.02 00:13:00 -
[111] - Quote
Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:Killar-12 wrote: So you support Corruption and (Can't remeber the bad thing about the minmatar)?
So I have authority issues. And domestic violence issues. I like how you accuse someone else of domestic violence when you beat your slaves. Arkena you are smart enough lore wise to know there are laws against that sort of thing in Amarr with the punishment for crimes being slavery itself. Wise up mate, I respect as one of the few gallenteans worth RPing and talking to, please don't ruin that for me. |
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
379
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Posted - 2013.10.02 00:15:00 -
[112] - Quote
of corse gallente and minmatar are defeating you
because we have all the scouts |
First Prophet
Unkn0wn Killers
1130
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Posted - 2013.10.02 00:32:00 -
[113] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:Flint Beastgood III wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:^Good info, but not the appropriate thread for this. Please stay on topic! I disagree. I think these back stories are the reasons which cause players to choose their FW allegiance. RP as you will -but people (not so hard for politicians) from 1st and 2nd world nations have a hard time supporting factions (even imaginary ones) which support slavery or fascism. Little as I actually invest (RP wise) into my character. I would never fight for Amarr or Caldari for those reasons alone. You can blame matchmaking or farming or whatever you like. The fact is that Amarr and Caldari lost, and will continue to lose because those factions are unpopular -Not because the game treats them unfairly. +1 The moment I heard "slaves" I was turned away from the Amarr. How about I tell you about the Gallente Federation whose politicians have corrupted the government, able to stay in office as long as they please. The upper class with prestige standards of living while everyone else lives in slums? A economical system where it is made extremely easy for those with high standing to push others off the success ladder as soon as they begin making progress? A drug culture where a substantial majority of civilians are taking life-damaging drugs harming countless innocent lives, and a government who refuses to intervene because the illegal drug trade is the only thing keeping the Gallente economy from crashing? Heck, the whole situation with the Caldari is primarily because of what the Caldari bring to the Federation economy. Even though the Caldari wish to leave the Federation in peace, the Gallente won't allow it because they need them. Yeah, that Gallente Federation? Have fun fighting for corrupt megalomaniacs and drug lords! Better than being a slaver. |
First Prophet
Unkn0wn Killers
1130
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Posted - 2013.10.02 00:38:00 -
[114] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:First Prophet wrote: It's not just dust and eve, that happens everywhere. And people do it because it's easy. You don't need to think about your race's background or some lore somebody else made up. You can just be yourself. It's pretty simple.
Except, again, when you assume you understand some race and that it reflects who you are, but missed some pretty big aspects of that race that aren't so great. Go back a couple posts to see the lovely details Gallente players seem to overlook. I could make similarly bad accusations about the Minmatar Republic. I didn't assume anything. None of these races are great enough to reflect me. They all have flaws unlike me. But the minmatar are the closest to reflecting me.
And please, stop judging other people for overlooking their race's flaws. Especially when you devote so much effort on overlooking the Amarr's flaws. You want everyone to acknowledge their own faults but ignore yours. |
itsmellslikefish
DIOS EX. Top Men.
267
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Posted - 2013.10.02 01:37:00 -
[115] - Quote
First Prophet wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Flint Beastgood III wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:^Good info, but not the appropriate thread for this. Please stay on topic! I disagree. I think these back stories are the reasons which cause players to choose their FW allegiance. RP as you will -but people (not so hard for politicians) from 1st and 2nd world nations have a hard time supporting factions (even imaginary ones) which support slavery or fascism. Little as I actually invest (RP wise) into my character. I would never fight for Amarr or Caldari for those reasons alone. You can blame matchmaking or farming or whatever you like. The fact is that Amarr and Caldari lost, and will continue to lose because those factions are unpopular -Not because the game treats them unfairly. +1 The moment I heard "slaves" I was turned away from the Amarr. How about I tell you about the Gallente Federation whose politicians have corrupted the government, able to stay in office as long as they please. The upper class with prestige standards of living while everyone else lives in slums? A economical system where it is made extremely easy for those with high standing to push others off the success ladder as soon as they begin making progress? A drug culture where a substantial majority of civilians are taking life-damaging drugs harming countless innocent lives, and a government who refuses to intervene because the illegal drug trade is the only thing keeping the Gallente economy from crashing? Heck, the whole situation with the Caldari is primarily because of what the Caldari bring to the Federation economy. Even though the Caldari wish to leave the Federation in peace, the Gallente won't allow it because they need them. Yeah, that Gallente Federation? Have fun fighting for corrupt megalomaniacs and drug lords! Better than being a slaver.
Minnies ought to pull a django |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
324
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Posted - 2013.10.02 01:43:00 -
[116] - Quote
CCP FoxFour wrote:Pretty much a combination of 1 and 3.
Gallente and Minmatar had some more skilled players, took almost all the districts, and now are having an easier time keeping it like that. We basically don't do any matchmaking on FW matches, think of them as being for more veteran players.
We do have... some changes coming to FW in the more near future that should hopefully help balance this out. :) do you honestly expect this game to be around on 4 months ?
is ccp really making money off dust? (i hadn't thought the gaming community even had that many idiots)
and even if dust is around in 4 months are you sure anyone will be playing it |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2417
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:00:00 -
[117] - Quote
First Prophet wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:First Prophet wrote: It's not just dust and eve, that happens everywhere. And people do it because it's easy. You don't need to think about your race's background or some lore somebody else made up. You can just be yourself. It's pretty simple.
Except, again, when you assume you understand some race and that it reflects who you are, but missed some pretty big aspects of that race that aren't so great. Go back a couple posts to see the lovely details Gallente players seem to overlook. I could make similarly bad accusations about the Minmatar Republic. I didn't assume anything. None of these races are great enough to reflect me. They all have flaws unlike me. But the minmatar are the closest to reflecting me. And please, stop judging other people for overlooking their race's flaws. Especially when you devote so much effort on overlooking the Amarr's flaws. You want everyone to acknowledge their own faults but ignore yours. Obviously Amarr has flaws, but everyone else has brought them up plenty, I don't need to assist them. What isn't being brought up are the flaws of the other empires as well as the good side of Amarr and Caldari, so that's where I put a little more emphasis.
Simply want people to have a good understanding, as for who you support that is up to you. |
IceShifter Childhaspawn
DUST University Ivy League
298
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:13:00 -
[118] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:You can blame matchmaking or farming or whatever you like. The fact is that Amarr and Caldari lost, and will continue to lose because those factions are unpopular -Not because the game treats them unfairly. That is debatable. Also there are plenty of very bad things about the Gallente and Minmatar as well as many good aspects of Amarr and Caldari. Just because you choose to look at the empires with a very shallow perspective does not mean that's how it is. Personally I find the Gallente a lot more dangerous to humanity than any of the rest, but if you don't actually look into the lore and see why I can understand why you'd say, "But Gallente are freedom and Amarr are slavery!" There's a lot more to it.
Strawman aside -Couldnt agree more. But the Caldari are a facsist state whose governing power derives from the role of the CEO. The CEO cares about control, nothing more. Amarrians worship a woman who by birth was declared a goddess and suffers from the dueling Other residing in her brain and a Vitoc enslavement by her number one officer.
Corrupt governments can be overthrown.The control centers of Tribalism are much more fluid as the strongest rules the day. You cannot overthrow a permanent entity such as a Corporation, they must be forced out by another entity without soul. You cannot overthrow a goddess which 1/3 of an empire (and nearly half population wise) would gladly give their lives for.
Shallow or not, you are defending your ideology (or that of your character) and our opinions are meaningless. Who wins is decided by the districts which are conquered.
And your side lost.
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Satja Askarin
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:21:00 -
[119] - Quote
IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:You can blame matchmaking or farming or whatever you like. The fact is that Amarr and Caldari lost, and will continue to lose because those factions are unpopular -Not because the game treats them unfairly. That is debatable. Also there are plenty of very bad things about the Gallente and Minmatar as well as many good aspects of Amarr and Caldari. Just because you choose to look at the empires with a very shallow perspective does not mean that's how it is. Personally I find the Gallente a lot more dangerous to humanity than any of the rest, but if you don't actually look into the lore and see why I can understand why you'd say, "But Gallente are freedom and Amarr are slavery!" There's a lot more to it. Strawman aside -Couldnt agree more. But the Caldari are a facsist state whose governing power derives from the role of the CEO. The CEO cares about control, nothing more. Amarrians worship a woman who by birth was declared a goddess and suffers from the dueling Other residing in her brain and a Vitoc enslavement by her number one officer. Corrupt governments can be overthrown.The control centers of Tribalism are much more fluid as the strongest rules the day. You cannot overthrow a permanent entity such as a Corporation, they must be forced out by another entity without soul. You cannot overthrow a goddess which 1/3 of an empire (and nearly half population wise) would gladly give their lives for. Shallow or not, you are defending your ideology (or that of your character) and our opinions are meaningless. Who wins is decided by the districts which are conquered. And your side lost. As much as I loathe to say this because I am a supporter of Sarum and my master, there are many dangers that await the servants of God. However I cannot understand why anyone would want to change the status quo within the Empire, slaves like myself are fed and clothed, schooled and given a purpose, the Amarr faith gives me hope. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1482
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:23:00 -
[120] - Quote
IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:
And your side lost.
Dont be so full of yourself...The battle hasn't even started yet.... |
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IceShifter Childhaspawn
DUST University Ivy League
298
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:32:00 -
[121] - Quote
KING CHECKMATE wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:
And your side lost.
Dont be so full of yourself...The battle hasn't even started yet....
I am amazed how statements of fact can be interpreted as meaningless bravado. And how statements of meaningless bravado can be derived from interpretations of fact. I concede FW will change, possibly even be swung in favor of the Caldari.
That will likely come about less from our words on the forums, than our actions on the battlefield. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1483
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:34:00 -
[122] - Quote
IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:
That will likely come about less from our words on the forums, than our actions on the battlefield.
Now we are making some sense. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2483
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:58:00 -
[123] - Quote
IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:
And your side lost.
Dont be so full of yourself...The battle hasn't even started yet.... I am amazed how statements of fact can be interpreted as meaningless bravado. And how statements of meaningless bravado can be derived from interpretations of fact. I concede FW will change, possibly even be swung in favor of the Caldari. That will likely come about less from our words on the forums, than our actions on the battlefield. The battle isn't done until you take our last systems. Your people haven't yet, they shall not, we will Reclaim the stars and we started with Raa earlier today. |
TrueXer0z
DUST University Ivy League
192
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Posted - 2013.10.02 10:46:00 -
[124] - Quote
FW seems to be one of those aspects to the game that has been greatly under appreciated. It is currently the only true link to both games. Debate can be made about what is wrong or right, but facts encompass all in which we define our own personal reality. The truth is, that there has not been any real organized focus within Dust to appropriate a concern where FW is involved. It simply doesn't have enough interested parties to be relevant within the dust community outside of a few. This is the same within Eve as well.
We have yet to see any real use of political meta gaming in Dust in any way shape or form. Control of territories are meaningless to Eve players in PC. Even though FW has actual effects in Eve it is not being taken seriously by Eve FW corporations. I mean..maybe there are a couple out there.
My point is that as much as people are upset about the state of the game in one way or another. It is us, the players, who have the ability to make so much more out of the game then we are currently. CCP has left so many things open for us to deal, cross deal, infiltrate, dismantle and backstab our way into oblivion. Narrowing your vision solely on the FPS factor is a grave mistake. In Time the Eve player will turn their eye to our humble little game and everything will change. So all your meaningless gripes will be nothing more then lost concerns that hold little weight within the grand design which is Dust 514. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2493
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Posted - 2013.10.02 10:51:00 -
[125] - Quote
TrueXer0z wrote: So all your meaningless gripes will be nothing more then lost concerns that hold little weight within the grand design which is Dust 514. While I understand what you're trying to get at, the problem that has been discovered here is far more than a meaningless gripe, it is game breaking as far as Dust FW goes. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2519
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Posted - 2013.10.02 10:52:00 -
[126] - Quote
TrueXer0z wrote:FW seems to be one of those aspects to the game that has been greatly under appreciated. It is currently the only true link to both games. Debate can be made about what is wrong or right, but facts encompass all in which we define our own personal reality. The truth is, that there has not been any real organized focus within Dust to appropriate a concern where FW is involved. It simply doesn't have enough interested parties to be relevant within the dust community outside of a few. This is the same within Eve as well.
We have yet to see any real use of political meta gaming in Dust in any way shape or form. Control of territories are meaningless to Eve players in PC. Even though FW has actual effects in Eve it is not being taken seriously by Eve FW corporations. I mean..maybe there are a couple out there.
My point is that as much as people are upset about the state of the game in one way or another. It is us, the players, who have the ability to make so much more out of the game then we are currently. CCP has left so many things open for us to deal, cross deal, infiltrate, dismantle and backstab our way into oblivion. Narrowing your vision solely on the FPS factor is a grave mistake. In Time the Eve player will turn their eye to our humble little game and everything will change. So all your meaningless gripes will be nothing more then lost concerns that hold little weight within the grand design which is Dust 514. That is point of this thread to highly a massive flaw in FW's design.
However feel like your second paragraph is not necessarily true.
PIE Ground Deployment was formed to coalesce all of the Amarrian Loyalists interested in taking part in Factional Warfare and bring them into contact with the intent to form squads, make use of our motivated EVE side support, and to bring back the FW control percentages up. However this is not possible.
However I have also heard of Covert Intervention making similar pushes with EVE support in Gallente/Caldari FW reporting success.
However the issues still stand.
1. Losing side will continue to lose as no amount of player effort can break the amount of Offensive Contracting (Otracting from now on) of the currently winning side.
2. EVE based support however much better than regular OB support does not make enough difference to encourage players to go out of their way to aid the ground troops nor make a massive difference to ground Ops. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2496
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Posted - 2013.10.02 11:08:00 -
[127] - Quote
True Adamance wrote: 2. EVE based support however much better than regular OB support does not make enough difference to encourage players to go out of their way to aid the ground troops nor make a massive difference to ground Ops.
Hmm, perhaps if an EVE player is connected to the district you can gain some sort of bonus besides the OB. Perhaps something like the EVE player can be carrying an extra stock of clones or perhaps, given a certain number of warpoints, could trigger some long range remote armor repair/shield transport for the MCC? Make it so everyone wants to have EVE support. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2529
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Posted - 2013.10.02 11:14:00 -
[128] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:True Adamance wrote: 2. EVE based support however much better than regular OB support does not make enough difference to encourage players to go out of their way to aid the ground troops nor make a massive difference to ground Ops.
Hmm, perhaps if an EVE player is connected to the district you can gain some sort of bonus besides the OB. Perhaps something like the EVE player can be carrying an extra stock of clones or perhaps, given a certain number of warpoints, could trigger some long range remote armor repair/shield transport for the MCC? Make it so everyone wants to have EVE support. Active battlefield scanners, turret drops, single turret strikes on battlefield assets, perhaps even possible denial of RDV drops of a couple of seconds making enemy vehicle deployment a few crucial seconds slower. |
IceShifter Childhaspawn
DUST University Ivy League
300
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Posted - 2013.10.02 12:33:00 -
[129] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:True Adamance wrote: 2. EVE based support however much better than regular OB support does not make enough difference to encourage players to go out of their way to aid the ground troops nor make a massive difference to ground Ops.
Hmm, perhaps if an EVE player is connected to the district you can gain some sort of bonus besides the OB. Perhaps something like the EVE player can be carrying an extra stock of clones or perhaps, given a certain number of warpoints, could trigger some long range remote armor repair/shield transport for the MCC? Make it so everyone wants to have EVE support. Active battlefield scanners, turret drops, single turret strikes on battlefield assets, perhaps even possible denial of RDV drops of a couple of seconds making enemy vehicle deployment a few crucial seconds slower.
Agree. Having played against you last night, I am beginning to understand your frustration from Postulate 3. You guys gave your all and had very little blue support.
But back to popularity (no longer bashing Amarr) I present a story: I went into a FW where the opposing team was protostomping in the first few minutes. More power to Ancient Exiles but I left the match. (Pubstomp all you want, but I don't have to be your fodder.)
Heres the thing- Queued up immediately for a second match: full team for Minmatar versus 4 on the Amarr side. Played that one. Next match 16 Minmatar versus 12 on the Amarr side. We won. Later this morning, one other and yours truly versus nobody. Yup I won. I think the other guy was either bugged or AFK.
If by random queue there aren't enough players to field a full team, you guys don't stand a chance. Popularity aside, I dont think the numbers exist for your dedication to this type of persistent combat. |
Epicsting pro
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
296
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Posted - 2013.10.06 06:31:00 -
[130] - Quote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE&feature=youtube_gdata_player |
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2721
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Posted - 2013.10.10 23:59:00 -
[131] - Quote
Revived, this is clearly still an issue. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2826
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Posted - 2013.10.11 00:22:00 -
[132] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:Revived, this is clearly still an issue. Yeah but it our issue now. Regardless of the system being broken we proved CCP wrong and did end up unbreaking the system |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2723
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Posted - 2013.10.11 00:26:00 -
[133] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Revived, this is clearly still an issue. Yeah but it our issue now. Regardless of the system being broken we proved CCP wrong and did end up unbreaking the system Not trying to belittle the Amarr and Caldari efforts at all, they did a great job getting themselves out of this massive hole. But still, now we are going to benefit from this design flaw for how long before they change it? Even if its us benefiting, in the spirit of competition it just feels wrong. |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
533
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Posted - 2013.10.11 00:37:00 -
[134] - Quote
It's because of HACKZ! HACKZ!
Minnies are the best :D |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2826
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Posted - 2013.10.11 00:42:00 -
[135] - Quote
Aero Yassavi wrote:True Adamance wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Revived, this is clearly still an issue. Yeah but it our issue now. Regardless of the system being broken we proved CCP wrong and did end up unbreaking the system Not trying to belittle the Amarr and Caldari efforts at all, they did a great job getting themselves out of this massive hole. But still, now we are going to benefit from this design flaw for how long before they change it? Even if its us benefiting, in the spirit of competition it just feels wrong. Agreed. I'm not one for the easy fights when we could have good ones, but I think I want to bask in the knowledge that the Amarr Militia "dun guud" for a while longer. Give me until Monday and I can get back into our discussions about improving FW. |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
2185
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:15:00 -
[136] - Quote
Honestly PIE, do expect this intensity in FW to continue? People will revert to ambush once more as their staple. Everyone really just wants to be the bad guy right now.....because the bad guys have the gear they want.
The Minmatar will take a little longer than the Gallente to recoup perhaps in my crystal ball, but every dog has it's day, they will return.
- - - - -
Now onto the actual subject.
I agree with the "Locked District" idea Aero, I believe, put out there. I would also like to see more detailed knowledgeable star map, one that can tell you of current battles (like it used to), future battles, and potential battles (IE a contested planet)
District Selection
District Selection is what I really want to see in FW. In PC you choose where to go. In FW, you are thrown into God-Knows-Where in what seems to be a rather hasty contract. This sort of thing needs to be abolished, the random essence to FW. I would like to see the ability to look at my star map, see that the Caldari would be invading here, here, and here, while the Gallente push here and here. Then I could say to myself "Should I defend or attack?". So I would look a little closer and discover that the Caldari are trying to take a planet that I had just recently aided in kicking them out. I feel a sense of responsibility to defend that planet after spending so much time to take it.
PIE I feel like you could especially relate to this. You guys are the brain of Amarr Dust FW. Now imagine, that you could see on your star map where & when in the near future the Minmatar would be invading and defending. An organized Faction would win over an unorganized Faction hands down in such a system. Hypothetically every Minmatar is a giddy try-hard in this scenario; so every minmatar signs up to Invade. However after bunching up all their best into the few invasions, and maybe winning a majority of the invasions, they lost all their defense contracts due to them being filled with blueberries and thus losing more districts than gained, while the Amarr gain a little power.
When CCP establishes more control over events in FW, they are establishing a better FW, I'm sure you can agree. If all of Amarr FW was governed by PIE (magically) you'd have Aero & True sitting at the star map setting up rosters for who goes where, discussing what needs more attention at a given moment, then talking about which battle was most elegant. "I do say Aero that battle for Penak IV was exhilarating, I couldn't prevent my Scrambler from overheating" "Indeed good chap" sips tea. "It appears that Devoid, is ... devoid of any action, am I right good sir?" "Quite so" "Indeed" puffs on pipe
Not that you guys talk like Victorian Nobility. |
Fire9er Greko
Axis of Chaos
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:23:00 -
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for the past 3 days i have fought awesome teams for the minmatar. But i played as caldari and won 49 out of 54 so no not 99 percent in my case. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2730
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:23:00 -
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Well Bojo, really quickly
1) Amarr are the good guys 2) There is still a flaw in the design of Dust FW. Believe me, unless CCP fixes the FW system then Amarr and Caldari will hold this 99% majority long after this week ends. |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
536
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:25:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Well Bojo, really quickly
1) Amarr are the good guys 2) There is still a flaw in the design of Dust FW. Believe me, unless CCP fixes the FW system then Amarr and Caldari will hold this 99% majority long after this week ends. "The good guys" So you call enslaving the Minmatar "good"? |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2831
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:25:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote: "I do say Aero that battle for Penak IV was exhilarating, I couldn't prevent my Scrambler from overheating" "Indeed good chap" sips tea. "It appears that Devoid, is ... devoid of any action, am I right good sir?" "Quite so" "Indeed" puffs on pipe
Not that you guys talk like Victorian Nobility.
That is exactly how we talk.
"Oh Aero I do say have you read that new novelisation of the Scriptures yet, it is ever such good reading my dear man." "Why no Adamance I have not yet, I was busy last weekend on the Estate with Lord Admiral Gavin, you see, such a fine man, making a right royal game of Wickets" "Oh sir I do protest to your weekend debaucheries with Lord Gavin, those iced teas and Gallentean post cards with corrupt your souls." |
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First Prophet
Unkn0wn Killers
1186
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:26:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:1) Amarr are the good guys
Everyone knows they're the bad guys, Aero. They're so evil EON SUPPORTS THEM AND SO DID THE IMPERFECTS. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2731
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:27:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote: "I do say Aero that battle for Penak IV was exhilarating, I couldn't prevent my Scrambler from overheating" "Indeed good chap" sips tea. "It appears that Devoid, is ... devoid of any action, am I right good sir?" "Quite so" "Indeed" puffs on pipe
Not that you guys talk like Victorian Nobility.
That is exactly how we talk. "Oh Aero I do say have you read that new novelisation of the Scriptures yet, it is ever such good reading my dear man." "Why no Adamance I have not yet, I was busy last weekend on the Estate with Lord Admiral Gavin, you see, such a fine man, making a right royal game of Wickets" "Oh sir I do protest to your weekend debaucheries with Lord Gavin, those iced teas and Gallentean post cards with corrupt your souls." I do concur, kind sir, this is very to the point how we talk.
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Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
2190
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:32:00 -
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Ok
The main point was District Selection, did that register at all with you guys (in all seriousness)?
Secondly, Angel Eyes was a bad guy
That was definitely a TT-3 Assault Pistol right there.
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2731
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:34:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Ok The main point was District Selection, did that register at all with you guys (in all seriousness)? Secondly, Angel Eyes was a bad guyThat was definitely a TT-3 Assault Pistol right there. I did edit my post quickly after posting to address that point of your post, not sure if you caught it. Should of waited to add that in before I posted. |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
2190
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:36:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Ok The main point was District Selection, did that register at all with you guys (in all seriousness)? Secondly, Angel Eyes was a bad guyThat was definitely a TT-3 Assault Pistol right there. I did edit my post quickly after posting to address that point of your post, not sure if you caught it. Should of waited to add that in before I posted. You were all too busy being Victorian, good sir |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2831
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:38:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Ok The main point was District Selection, did that register at all with you guys (in all seriousness)? Secondly, Angel Eyes was a bad guyThat was definitely a TT-3 Assault Pistol right there. I did edit my post quickly after posting to address that point of your post, not sure if you caught it. Should of waited to add that in before I posted. You were all too busy being Victorian, good sir I did as well. |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
2192
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:44:00 -
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Damn it you didn't catch my edit either! |
Raymond Yeoman
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.11 10:36:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Ok The main point was District Selection, did that register at all with you guys (in all seriousness)? Secondly, Angel Eyes was a bad guyThat was definitely a TT-3 Assault Pistol right there. I did edit my post quickly after posting to address that point of your post, not sure ihttps://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=postmessage&m=1381793f you caught it. Should of waited to add that in before I posted. You were all too busy being Victorian, good sir OK: 1) Corps shouldn't be in charge of Contracts ---I was merely using you guys as a group for example. I should have made that a little more clear. What I am saying is that the Faction poops out the contracts, but at least you have a selection of pooped-contracts to sort through. I am not saying that individuals should be able to initiate contracts.
I would like something like that as well. |
Yelhsa Jin-Mao
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.10.11 11:23:00 -
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I'm currently stuck trying to recruit new players to DUST514, as I have only managed to recruit 2 people using my link, and only one of which has reached 25,000 WP.
So I'm turning to the forums for help. I'm offering a 100 Million ISK incentive to any 'new' recruits who reach 100,000 WP, along with the standard benefits all New recruits earn.
You see I play with all BPO dropsuit loadouts and accrue in excess of 1,500 WP a game, so as you can imagine my ISK builds up pretty quick. For those of you who don't believe me I invite you to play a game against me and I'll prove that I am all BPO, as I have purchased the Mercenary, Veteran and Elite packs as well as every BPO that was available on the market up to 1.5
Im appealing to 'ALL' forum members who may know of a person with a PSN account who doesn't play DUST514, but may be enticed to join up as a 'new' recruit, for an eye watering sum of ISK. I will provide all recruits who reach 100,000WP with a 100 Million ISK reward as soon as they email me a picture of their progress.
My recruit link is available below, so please, get sharing. https://dust514.com/recruit/psgkk4/ |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2844
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Posted - 2013.10.11 11:26:00 -
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:I'm currently stuck trying to recruit new players to DUST514, as I have only managed to recruit 2 people using my link, and only one of which has reached 25,000 WP. So I'm turning to the forums for help. I'm offering a 100 Million ISK incentive to any 'new' recruits who reach 100,000 WP, along with the standard benefits all New recruits earn. You see I play with all BPO dropsuit loadouts and accrue in excess of 1,500 WP a game, so as you can imagine my ISK builds up pretty quick. For those of you who don't believe me I invite you to play a game against me and I'll prove that I am all BPO, as I have purchased the Mercenary, Veteran and Elite packs as well as every BPO that was available on the market up to 1.5 Im appealing to 'ALL' forum members who may know of a person with a PSN account who doesn't play DUST514, but may be enticed to join up as a 'new' recruit, for an eye watering sum of ISK. I will provide all recruits who reach 100,000WP with a 100 Million ISK reward as soon as they email me a picture of their progress. My recruit link is available below, so please, get sharing. https://dust514.com/recruit/psgkk4/ Not an acceptable place to post your recruit grubbing. |
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Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2715
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Posted - 2013.10.12 00:53:00 -
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This seems to cause "Scotty errors" when there's nothing left on one side. |
Xaviah Reaper
Nyain San EoN.
118
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Posted - 2013.10.12 00:58:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Pretty much a combination of 1 and 3.
Gallente and Minmatar had some more skilled players, took almost all the districts, and now are having an easier time keeping it like that. We basically don't do any matchmaking on FW matches, think of them as being for more veteran players.
We do have... some changes coming to FW in the more near future that should hopefully help balance this out. :)
its for that reason we need to section players into groups based on skillpoints accumulated! even out the playing field |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2866
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Posted - 2013.10.12 01:10:00 -
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Xaviah Reaper wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Pretty much a combination of 1 and 3.
Gallente and Minmatar had some more skilled players, took almost all the districts, and now are having an easier time keeping it like that. We basically don't do any matchmaking on FW matches, think of them as being for more veteran players.
We do have... some changes coming to FW in the more near future that should hopefully help balance this out. :) its for that reason we need to section players into groups based on skillpoints accumulated! even out the playing field Not in FW you don't FW is balanced by the loyalists and the corporations who support them either for the ISK or the prestige, FW needs not sancitioned matchmaking capacity like public contracts do because it is the step into low sec and then on to null sec. |
Rinzler XVII
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
102
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Posted - 2013.10.12 01:15:00 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Pretty much a combination of 1 and 3.
Gallente and Minmatar had some more skilled players, took almost all the districts, and now are having an easier time keeping it like that. We basically don't do any matchmaking on FW matches, think of them as being for more veteran players.
We do have... some changes coming to FW in the more near future that should hopefully help balance this out. :)
You dont do any matchmaking in PUB games either lol
My step bro just out of academy kept getting put in games v full squads of peeps in proto gear ... he had 509k sp ... I think Matchmaking on DUST 514 is a myth .. everyone says it exists but there is still no evidence that it actually exists xD |
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