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IceShifter Childhaspawn
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:32:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:
And your side lost.
Dont be so full of yourself...The battle hasn't even started yet....
I am amazed how statements of fact can be interpreted as meaningless bravado. And how statements of meaningless bravado can be derived from interpretations of fact. I concede FW will change, possibly even be swung in favor of the Caldari.
That will likely come about less from our words on the forums, than our actions on the battlefield. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1483
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:34:00 -
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IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:
That will likely come about less from our words on the forums, than our actions on the battlefield.
Now we are making some sense. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2483
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:58:00 -
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IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:
And your side lost.
Dont be so full of yourself...The battle hasn't even started yet.... I am amazed how statements of fact can be interpreted as meaningless bravado. And how statements of meaningless bravado can be derived from interpretations of fact. I concede FW will change, possibly even be swung in favor of the Caldari. That will likely come about less from our words on the forums, than our actions on the battlefield. The battle isn't done until you take our last systems. Your people haven't yet, they shall not, we will Reclaim the stars and we started with Raa earlier today. |
TrueXer0z
DUST University Ivy League
192
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Posted - 2013.10.02 10:46:00 -
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FW seems to be one of those aspects to the game that has been greatly under appreciated. It is currently the only true link to both games. Debate can be made about what is wrong or right, but facts encompass all in which we define our own personal reality. The truth is, that there has not been any real organized focus within Dust to appropriate a concern where FW is involved. It simply doesn't have enough interested parties to be relevant within the dust community outside of a few. This is the same within Eve as well.
We have yet to see any real use of political meta gaming in Dust in any way shape or form. Control of territories are meaningless to Eve players in PC. Even though FW has actual effects in Eve it is not being taken seriously by Eve FW corporations. I mean..maybe there are a couple out there.
My point is that as much as people are upset about the state of the game in one way or another. It is us, the players, who have the ability to make so much more out of the game then we are currently. CCP has left so many things open for us to deal, cross deal, infiltrate, dismantle and backstab our way into oblivion. Narrowing your vision solely on the FPS factor is a grave mistake. In Time the Eve player will turn their eye to our humble little game and everything will change. So all your meaningless gripes will be nothing more then lost concerns that hold little weight within the grand design which is Dust 514. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2493
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Posted - 2013.10.02 10:51:00 -
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TrueXer0z wrote: So all your meaningless gripes will be nothing more then lost concerns that hold little weight within the grand design which is Dust 514. While I understand what you're trying to get at, the problem that has been discovered here is far more than a meaningless gripe, it is game breaking as far as Dust FW goes. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2519
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Posted - 2013.10.02 10:52:00 -
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TrueXer0z wrote:FW seems to be one of those aspects to the game that has been greatly under appreciated. It is currently the only true link to both games. Debate can be made about what is wrong or right, but facts encompass all in which we define our own personal reality. The truth is, that there has not been any real organized focus within Dust to appropriate a concern where FW is involved. It simply doesn't have enough interested parties to be relevant within the dust community outside of a few. This is the same within Eve as well.
We have yet to see any real use of political meta gaming in Dust in any way shape or form. Control of territories are meaningless to Eve players in PC. Even though FW has actual effects in Eve it is not being taken seriously by Eve FW corporations. I mean..maybe there are a couple out there.
My point is that as much as people are upset about the state of the game in one way or another. It is us, the players, who have the ability to make so much more out of the game then we are currently. CCP has left so many things open for us to deal, cross deal, infiltrate, dismantle and backstab our way into oblivion. Narrowing your vision solely on the FPS factor is a grave mistake. In Time the Eve player will turn their eye to our humble little game and everything will change. So all your meaningless gripes will be nothing more then lost concerns that hold little weight within the grand design which is Dust 514. That is point of this thread to highly a massive flaw in FW's design.
However feel like your second paragraph is not necessarily true.
PIE Ground Deployment was formed to coalesce all of the Amarrian Loyalists interested in taking part in Factional Warfare and bring them into contact with the intent to form squads, make use of our motivated EVE side support, and to bring back the FW control percentages up. However this is not possible.
However I have also heard of Covert Intervention making similar pushes with EVE support in Gallente/Caldari FW reporting success.
However the issues still stand.
1. Losing side will continue to lose as no amount of player effort can break the amount of Offensive Contracting (Otracting from now on) of the currently winning side.
2. EVE based support however much better than regular OB support does not make enough difference to encourage players to go out of their way to aid the ground troops nor make a massive difference to ground Ops. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2496
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Posted - 2013.10.02 11:08:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: 2. EVE based support however much better than regular OB support does not make enough difference to encourage players to go out of their way to aid the ground troops nor make a massive difference to ground Ops.
Hmm, perhaps if an EVE player is connected to the district you can gain some sort of bonus besides the OB. Perhaps something like the EVE player can be carrying an extra stock of clones or perhaps, given a certain number of warpoints, could trigger some long range remote armor repair/shield transport for the MCC? Make it so everyone wants to have EVE support. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2529
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Posted - 2013.10.02 11:14:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:True Adamance wrote: 2. EVE based support however much better than regular OB support does not make enough difference to encourage players to go out of their way to aid the ground troops nor make a massive difference to ground Ops.
Hmm, perhaps if an EVE player is connected to the district you can gain some sort of bonus besides the OB. Perhaps something like the EVE player can be carrying an extra stock of clones or perhaps, given a certain number of warpoints, could trigger some long range remote armor repair/shield transport for the MCC? Make it so everyone wants to have EVE support. Active battlefield scanners, turret drops, single turret strikes on battlefield assets, perhaps even possible denial of RDV drops of a couple of seconds making enemy vehicle deployment a few crucial seconds slower. |
IceShifter Childhaspawn
DUST University Ivy League
300
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Posted - 2013.10.02 12:33:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:True Adamance wrote: 2. EVE based support however much better than regular OB support does not make enough difference to encourage players to go out of their way to aid the ground troops nor make a massive difference to ground Ops.
Hmm, perhaps if an EVE player is connected to the district you can gain some sort of bonus besides the OB. Perhaps something like the EVE player can be carrying an extra stock of clones or perhaps, given a certain number of warpoints, could trigger some long range remote armor repair/shield transport for the MCC? Make it so everyone wants to have EVE support. Active battlefield scanners, turret drops, single turret strikes on battlefield assets, perhaps even possible denial of RDV drops of a couple of seconds making enemy vehicle deployment a few crucial seconds slower.
Agree. Having played against you last night, I am beginning to understand your frustration from Postulate 3. You guys gave your all and had very little blue support.
But back to popularity (no longer bashing Amarr) I present a story: I went into a FW where the opposing team was protostomping in the first few minutes. More power to Ancient Exiles but I left the match. (Pubstomp all you want, but I don't have to be your fodder.)
Heres the thing- Queued up immediately for a second match: full team for Minmatar versus 4 on the Amarr side. Played that one. Next match 16 Minmatar versus 12 on the Amarr side. We won. Later this morning, one other and yours truly versus nobody. Yup I won. I think the other guy was either bugged or AFK.
If by random queue there aren't enough players to field a full team, you guys don't stand a chance. Popularity aside, I dont think the numbers exist for your dedication to this type of persistent combat. |
Epicsting pro
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
296
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Posted - 2013.10.06 06:31:00 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE&feature=youtube_gdata_player |
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2721
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Posted - 2013.10.10 23:59:00 -
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Revived, this is clearly still an issue. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2826
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Posted - 2013.10.11 00:22:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Revived, this is clearly still an issue. Yeah but it our issue now. Regardless of the system being broken we proved CCP wrong and did end up unbreaking the system |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2723
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Posted - 2013.10.11 00:26:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Revived, this is clearly still an issue. Yeah but it our issue now. Regardless of the system being broken we proved CCP wrong and did end up unbreaking the system Not trying to belittle the Amarr and Caldari efforts at all, they did a great job getting themselves out of this massive hole. But still, now we are going to benefit from this design flaw for how long before they change it? Even if its us benefiting, in the spirit of competition it just feels wrong. |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
533
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Posted - 2013.10.11 00:37:00 -
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It's because of HACKZ! HACKZ!
Minnies are the best :D |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2826
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Posted - 2013.10.11 00:42:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:True Adamance wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Revived, this is clearly still an issue. Yeah but it our issue now. Regardless of the system being broken we proved CCP wrong and did end up unbreaking the system Not trying to belittle the Amarr and Caldari efforts at all, they did a great job getting themselves out of this massive hole. But still, now we are going to benefit from this design flaw for how long before they change it? Even if its us benefiting, in the spirit of competition it just feels wrong. Agreed. I'm not one for the easy fights when we could have good ones, but I think I want to bask in the knowledge that the Amarr Militia "dun guud" for a while longer. Give me until Monday and I can get back into our discussions about improving FW. |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
2185
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:15:00 -
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Honestly PIE, do expect this intensity in FW to continue? People will revert to ambush once more as their staple. Everyone really just wants to be the bad guy right now.....because the bad guys have the gear they want.
The Minmatar will take a little longer than the Gallente to recoup perhaps in my crystal ball, but every dog has it's day, they will return.
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Now onto the actual subject.
I agree with the "Locked District" idea Aero, I believe, put out there. I would also like to see more detailed knowledgeable star map, one that can tell you of current battles (like it used to), future battles, and potential battles (IE a contested planet)
District Selection
District Selection is what I really want to see in FW. In PC you choose where to go. In FW, you are thrown into God-Knows-Where in what seems to be a rather hasty contract. This sort of thing needs to be abolished, the random essence to FW. I would like to see the ability to look at my star map, see that the Caldari would be invading here, here, and here, while the Gallente push here and here. Then I could say to myself "Should I defend or attack?". So I would look a little closer and discover that the Caldari are trying to take a planet that I had just recently aided in kicking them out. I feel a sense of responsibility to defend that planet after spending so much time to take it.
PIE I feel like you could especially relate to this. You guys are the brain of Amarr Dust FW. Now imagine, that you could see on your star map where & when in the near future the Minmatar would be invading and defending. An organized Faction would win over an unorganized Faction hands down in such a system. Hypothetically every Minmatar is a giddy try-hard in this scenario; so every minmatar signs up to Invade. However after bunching up all their best into the few invasions, and maybe winning a majority of the invasions, they lost all their defense contracts due to them being filled with blueberries and thus losing more districts than gained, while the Amarr gain a little power.
When CCP establishes more control over events in FW, they are establishing a better FW, I'm sure you can agree. If all of Amarr FW was governed by PIE (magically) you'd have Aero & True sitting at the star map setting up rosters for who goes where, discussing what needs more attention at a given moment, then talking about which battle was most elegant. "I do say Aero that battle for Penak IV was exhilarating, I couldn't prevent my Scrambler from overheating" "Indeed good chap" sips tea. "It appears that Devoid, is ... devoid of any action, am I right good sir?" "Quite so" "Indeed" puffs on pipe
Not that you guys talk like Victorian Nobility. |
Fire9er Greko
Axis of Chaos
94
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:23:00 -
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for the past 3 days i have fought awesome teams for the minmatar. But i played as caldari and won 49 out of 54 so no not 99 percent in my case. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2730
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:23:00 -
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Well Bojo, really quickly
1) Amarr are the good guys 2) There is still a flaw in the design of Dust FW. Believe me, unless CCP fixes the FW system then Amarr and Caldari will hold this 99% majority long after this week ends. |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
536
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:25:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Well Bojo, really quickly
1) Amarr are the good guys 2) There is still a flaw in the design of Dust FW. Believe me, unless CCP fixes the FW system then Amarr and Caldari will hold this 99% majority long after this week ends. "The good guys" So you call enslaving the Minmatar "good"? |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2831
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:25:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote: "I do say Aero that battle for Penak IV was exhilarating, I couldn't prevent my Scrambler from overheating" "Indeed good chap" sips tea. "It appears that Devoid, is ... devoid of any action, am I right good sir?" "Quite so" "Indeed" puffs on pipe
Not that you guys talk like Victorian Nobility.
That is exactly how we talk.
"Oh Aero I do say have you read that new novelisation of the Scriptures yet, it is ever such good reading my dear man." "Why no Adamance I have not yet, I was busy last weekend on the Estate with Lord Admiral Gavin, you see, such a fine man, making a right royal game of Wickets" "Oh sir I do protest to your weekend debaucheries with Lord Gavin, those iced teas and Gallentean post cards with corrupt your souls." |
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First Prophet
Unkn0wn Killers
1186
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:26:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:1) Amarr are the good guys
Everyone knows they're the bad guys, Aero. They're so evil EON SUPPORTS THEM AND SO DID THE IMPERFECTS. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2731
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:27:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote: "I do say Aero that battle for Penak IV was exhilarating, I couldn't prevent my Scrambler from overheating" "Indeed good chap" sips tea. "It appears that Devoid, is ... devoid of any action, am I right good sir?" "Quite so" "Indeed" puffs on pipe
Not that you guys talk like Victorian Nobility.
That is exactly how we talk. "Oh Aero I do say have you read that new novelisation of the Scriptures yet, it is ever such good reading my dear man." "Why no Adamance I have not yet, I was busy last weekend on the Estate with Lord Admiral Gavin, you see, such a fine man, making a right royal game of Wickets" "Oh sir I do protest to your weekend debaucheries with Lord Gavin, those iced teas and Gallentean post cards with corrupt your souls." I do concur, kind sir, this is very to the point how we talk.
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Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
2190
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:32:00 -
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Ok
The main point was District Selection, did that register at all with you guys (in all seriousness)?
Secondly, Angel Eyes was a bad guy
That was definitely a TT-3 Assault Pistol right there.
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2731
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:34:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Ok The main point was District Selection, did that register at all with you guys (in all seriousness)? Secondly, Angel Eyes was a bad guyThat was definitely a TT-3 Assault Pistol right there. I did edit my post quickly after posting to address that point of your post, not sure if you caught it. Should of waited to add that in before I posted. |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
2190
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:36:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Ok The main point was District Selection, did that register at all with you guys (in all seriousness)? Secondly, Angel Eyes was a bad guyThat was definitely a TT-3 Assault Pistol right there. I did edit my post quickly after posting to address that point of your post, not sure if you caught it. Should of waited to add that in before I posted. You were all too busy being Victorian, good sir |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2831
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:38:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Ok The main point was District Selection, did that register at all with you guys (in all seriousness)? Secondly, Angel Eyes was a bad guyThat was definitely a TT-3 Assault Pistol right there. I did edit my post quickly after posting to address that point of your post, not sure if you caught it. Should of waited to add that in before I posted. You were all too busy being Victorian, good sir I did as well. |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
2192
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:44:00 -
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Damn it you didn't catch my edit either! |
Raymond Yeoman
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.11 10:36:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Ok The main point was District Selection, did that register at all with you guys (in all seriousness)? Secondly, Angel Eyes was a bad guyThat was definitely a TT-3 Assault Pistol right there. I did edit my post quickly after posting to address that point of your post, not sure ihttps://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=postmessage&m=1381793f you caught it. Should of waited to add that in before I posted. You were all too busy being Victorian, good sir OK: 1) Corps shouldn't be in charge of Contracts ---I was merely using you guys as a group for example. I should have made that a little more clear. What I am saying is that the Faction poops out the contracts, but at least you have a selection of pooped-contracts to sort through. I am not saying that individuals should be able to initiate contracts.
I would like something like that as well. |
Yelhsa Jin-Mao
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.10.11 11:23:00 -
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I'm currently stuck trying to recruit new players to DUST514, as I have only managed to recruit 2 people using my link, and only one of which has reached 25,000 WP.
So I'm turning to the forums for help. I'm offering a 100 Million ISK incentive to any 'new' recruits who reach 100,000 WP, along with the standard benefits all New recruits earn.
You see I play with all BPO dropsuit loadouts and accrue in excess of 1,500 WP a game, so as you can imagine my ISK builds up pretty quick. For those of you who don't believe me I invite you to play a game against me and I'll prove that I am all BPO, as I have purchased the Mercenary, Veteran and Elite packs as well as every BPO that was available on the market up to 1.5
Im appealing to 'ALL' forum members who may know of a person with a PSN account who doesn't play DUST514, but may be enticed to join up as a 'new' recruit, for an eye watering sum of ISK. I will provide all recruits who reach 100,000WP with a 100 Million ISK reward as soon as they email me a picture of their progress.
My recruit link is available below, so please, get sharing. https://dust514.com/recruit/psgkk4/ |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2844
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Posted - 2013.10.11 11:26:00 -
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:I'm currently stuck trying to recruit new players to DUST514, as I have only managed to recruit 2 people using my link, and only one of which has reached 25,000 WP. So I'm turning to the forums for help. I'm offering a 100 Million ISK incentive to any 'new' recruits who reach 100,000 WP, along with the standard benefits all New recruits earn. You see I play with all BPO dropsuit loadouts and accrue in excess of 1,500 WP a game, so as you can imagine my ISK builds up pretty quick. For those of you who don't believe me I invite you to play a game against me and I'll prove that I am all BPO, as I have purchased the Mercenary, Veteran and Elite packs as well as every BPO that was available on the market up to 1.5 Im appealing to 'ALL' forum members who may know of a person with a PSN account who doesn't play DUST514, but may be enticed to join up as a 'new' recruit, for an eye watering sum of ISK. I will provide all recruits who reach 100,000WP with a 100 Million ISK reward as soon as they email me a picture of their progress. My recruit link is available below, so please, get sharing. https://dust514.com/recruit/psgkk4/ Not an acceptable place to post your recruit grubbing. |
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