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True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:18:00 -
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I mean it is odd. Many of the matches PIE Ground Deployment squad enter end with EVE support and the win, yet we never gain ground.
Sadly I feel there are only 30ish players who actively make a difference to Amarr FW. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:22:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Vyzion Eyri wrote:Well if you think about it, the average FPS player who has no knowledge of the EVE Universe whatsoever will probably support the Minmatar or Gallente. Those ideals of strength, rebellion and freedom simply appeal to someone who just wants to shoot people.
As opposed to the corporate, industrial Caldari which no one cares about in DUST because everything is bought from an NPC store at the moment, and the Amarr who're probably shallowly interpreted as religious fanatics by those with a narrow view of the lore and at best, slavemasters. The first thing I personally learnt about the Amarr, and I'm sure this applies to many new members of CCP's universe, is that they had took the Minmatar as slaves, and I was opposed already.
Obviously, this is not the full picture. But first impressions count, and that's what I got, and that's most likely what another average player felt.
Definitely agree that first impressions are a big deal and that a lot of people read Amarr and slavery and instantly hate them, even though they are not quite the bad guys first impressions would lead you to believe. Of course PIE is working on a way to better inform new Dusters on who the Amarr are before they make up their minds, because people like you are already pretty locked in your belief against Amarr which is totally fine! Still, there are plenty of players supporting all sides so I would not suspect this to be the root of the problem in FW. The indoctrination runs deep in this one. But since he's been granted immortality, he may have time to see through the lies and adopt a life that has conscious meaning. Until them we'll just keep putting him down. I like to think of it as tough love. Idoctrination is not really what I would say. The more I discuss the nature of the factions in FW with other players, from all walks of life, the more I believe the Amarr are doing the right thing IN NEW EDEN. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:28:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:True Adamance wrote:I mean it is odd. Many of the matches PIE Ground Deployment squad enter end with EVE support and the win, yet we never gain ground.
Sadly I feel there are only 30ish players who actively make a difference to Amarr FW. You should of seen some of the ridiculous efforts PIE and company put together for Amarr FW while you were gone. Look, if the rest of those who support Amarr is FW are simply terribad then I'm upset but I can accept that, so long as our efforts make some impact. We went above and beyond the call, many straight hours of victories for Amarr day-in-day-out, with multiple squads searching for multiple battles, yet at the end of the day our opposition still holds 99%. I can believe it.
I know how hard we have been working.
Great matches against the Minmatar, a lot of fun all around, good wins, tough losses, but Dust should have some impact on the space war, and should pendulum. I mean PIE, Immortal Retribution, Hectationchires, and EoN have been doing some great things, you would think that we would atleast have claimed one system, in a meaningful way. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:36:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:I think that CCP needs to implement a lobby server instead of straight match making and allow a commander to take whole corps or just allied squads together into battle. That way if you want to defend the area you just took you can single it out and defend it. As it stands you are just getting sent willy nilly all over the universe and there is no real attraction to keeping a certain side in your playlist. Personally I just sync up for either Cal mil/ Amarr or do Minny / Gal mil. And if I really don't care i just sync up all 4 empires and fight for whoever, I am a merc after all. Perhaps FW corps EVE side can lay out corporate contracts for specific corps and groups to fight in. This might even allow corps to make a difference or encourage other corps to start trying to make a difference. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:44:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:My corp plays fw about 90% of the time and the teams are always us vs npc corps or us vs two of you pie guys. Rarely do you ever have organized support on the Amarr side. At least on the minmatar side we seem to get a fair amount of competent solo or small squads.
Our squad tend to be made up of regular allies from other corps. FW is not big, our way was not to recruit using PC as a buzz word, nor was it to be the best corp in the game, it was to be the best Amarrian corp int he game. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:56:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:I don't mean anything insulting about my comment. My apologies if it seemed that way. You guys always do well no argument there. You can tell when you've got a full squad. Only one squad can do so much though. I'm just saying that in the game of who gets stuck with a bunch of Bambi's it's usually the Amarr. Which is a shame. Every now and again team players fight for the Amarr and those are awesome fights. I really wish fw had more of these intense fights. They're often too one sided.
Nah no offense taken.
Issue is players don't care enough or know enough about the game to make and informed decision and those that do all follow the same path to the same ending place. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:39:00 -
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Mechoj Nomreps wrote:Dead six initiative always fight for the Caldari, we do however accept all races as allies, as this is only pragmatic. The do FW properly I would spend a lot more time flying for your guys.... Since I wont have the skils to fully embrace the way D6 is set up now for a few weeks I'll be offline a lot more. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.09.30 22:57:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:I've noticed that Caldari and Amarrian FW players's gun game is lacking. It's pretty easy to keep my HAV's alive. That's a joke, gotta say the minnies are terrible shots.
Sept that Damn Reav Hanamari.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.09.30 23:30:00 -
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Mechoj Nomreps wrote:True Adamance wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:I've noticed that Caldari and Amarrian FW players's gun game is lacking. It's pretty easy to keep my HAV's alive. That's a joke, gotta say the minnies are terrible shots. Sept that Damn Reav Hanamari. A pity we never go against eachother so you can feel my shotgun :) I don't have to worry about that mate. I drive a tank. PLus you aren't even Matari Mr Mechoj Caldaripants. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.10.01 02:06:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:20 minutes ago my squad attacked Lantorn IV District 6 and took over control. Literally not even a minute later our second squad reported to be defending Lantorn IV District 6, the very same district. Are you serious? After owning the district for not even a single minute it is already under attack? Come on CCP!!!! Confirmed we had a second squad running in that mission and an EVE pilot above the battle. |
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:42:00 -
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ANON Illuminati wrote:we started fighting for the caldar and amarr for a while to bring them up in wins as well. but seems that most ppl want it the easy way. but owell as long as theres an underdog we will fight for it. I did see some ANONYMOUS fighting for the Amarr which was an amazing good match, I basically spent the entire time watching Akubaris as he went around the map in his tank.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.10.01 18:44:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Pretty much a combination of 1 and 3.
Gallente and Minmatar had some more skilled players, took almost all the districts Foxfour confirms Gallente and Winmatar better than Kalamari and Amarr. Say it with me everyone. Trust. In. DAT RUST. Fox Four is a scrub and has nothing on Wolfman.
Dirty Liberalist..... and to think I used to like Fox four. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:00:00 -
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Flint Beastgood III wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Flint Beastgood III wrote:Only read the first page of this thread but would like to point out in case no one has stepped up and said it already: The Covert Intervention alliance has just finished a month long FW campaign for Gallente in both EVE and DUST. Our alliance supports Gallente in EVE and so this carries over to all corporations in DUST (although I have seen some members ignoring this obligation). Throughout this FW campaign and even outside of it we try to q-sync as much as possible and near enough always win. If you are still adding to that list you can find 13 for Gallente > here< Yes, someone has stepped up and said this . . . in the very first post! Look man, I acknowledged that there are corporations and alliances making big pushes in Dust FW winning most there matches. Hey guess what? PIE, PIE supporters, and EoN has made a push all this month for Amarr FW and won well over 90% of those matches! You know what, I'm sure there's a ton of squads out there supporting their faction and winning most there matches. What I'm saying is, something really weird is happening outside of these matches. I mean, if someone were asked to draw a conclusion on the status of FW after only watching matches I've been in, they would say that Amarr holds the vast majority of districts. You said that Covert Intervention has been on a month long FW campaign? Damn, I must have overlooked that. FYI that is what I was referring to when I wrote "if no one has stepped up and said it already" - to clarify. And yes, I can see what you are saying. This is also rather negligible since PIE Inc is always on an Amarr Campaign, always complexing, always Q-Syncing when we can, etc.
Admittedly we aren't as big as your alliance but the results from out players are always the same always better than 1 loss for every five wins, the issue Aero is talking about is that Dust Contracts are constantly generated, this means the side with the lower number of contracts automatically is at a disadvantage before the match even begins because all Offensive contracts are vastly more concentrated against those districts while defensive contracts are set to the few systems under attack by the winning side. As we said earlier it was a matter of us winning a match and immediately afterwards seeing that same district under attack again.....
This does not sit with the FW style of pendulum swings. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:03:00 -
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Flint Beastgood III wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:^Good info, but not the appropriate thread for this. Please stay on topic! I disagree. I think these back stories are the reasons which cause players to choose their FW allegiance. RP as you will -but people (not so hard for politicians) from 1st and 2nd world nations have a hard time supporting factions (even imaginary ones) which support slavery or fascism. Little as I actually invest (RP wise) into my character. I would never fight for Amarr or Caldari for those reasons alone. You can blame matchmaking or farming or whatever you like. The fact is that Amarr and Caldari lost, and will continue to lose because those factions are unpopular -Not because the game treats them unfairly. +1 The moment I heard "slaves" I was turned away from the Amarr. Though I cannot understand why since this is only a game....
Plus I find players who follow the word democracy or freedom boring and generally not worth engaging in RPing with.... the occasional few I do are very knowledgeable and tend to be more unique than the standard "American hero" archetype.
I mean gods sake this is new eden, you could be anything, you could be a pirate, you could be a criminal, you could be a soldier pressed into service bitter against his own nation but still loyal to the cause..... there are so many things people can be in New Eden but they choose not to for no other reason than to follow the crowd. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.10.01 20:10:00 -
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Flint Beastgood III wrote:True Adamance wrote:Flint Beastgood III wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:^Good info, but not the appropriate thread for this. Please stay on topic! I disagree. I think these back stories are the reasons which cause players to choose their FW allegiance. RP as you will -but people (not so hard for politicians) from 1st and 2nd world nations have a hard time supporting factions (even imaginary ones) which support slavery or fascism. Little as I actually invest (RP wise) into my character. I would never fight for Amarr or Caldari for those reasons alone. You can blame matchmaking or farming or whatever you like. The fact is that Amarr and Caldari lost, and will continue to lose because those factions are unpopular -Not because the game treats them unfairly. +1 The moment I heard "slaves" I was turned away from the Amarr. Though I cannot understand why since this is only a game.... Plus I find players who follow the word democracy or freedom boring and generally not worth engaging in RPing with.... the occasional few I do are very knowledgeable and tend to be more unique than the standard "American hero" archetype. I mean gods sake this is new eden, you could be anything, you could be a pirate, you could be a criminal, you could be a soldier pressed into service bitter against his own nation but still loyal to the cause..... there are so many things people can be in New Eden but they choose not to for no other reason than to follow the crowd. Yeah, it is just a game but I'm not heavily invested in RP and so any game character I create will ultimately reflect myself. Fair enough, though I started to wonder recently what it is about Dust and EVE that makes people create characters that reflect themselves or better versions of themselves.
In anycase I tend to make characters that totally diverge from myself, that I think are interesting and that other people will hopefully find interesting. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.10.02 00:13:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:Killar-12 wrote: So you support Corruption and (Can't remeber the bad thing about the minmatar)?
So I have authority issues. And domestic violence issues. I like how you accuse someone else of domestic violence when you beat your slaves. Arkena you are smart enough lore wise to know there are laws against that sort of thing in Amarr with the punishment for crimes being slavery itself. Wise up mate, I respect as one of the few gallenteans worth RPing and talking to, please don't ruin that for me. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:58:00 -
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IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:
And your side lost.
Dont be so full of yourself...The battle hasn't even started yet.... I am amazed how statements of fact can be interpreted as meaningless bravado. And how statements of meaningless bravado can be derived from interpretations of fact. I concede FW will change, possibly even be swung in favor of the Caldari. That will likely come about less from our words on the forums, than our actions on the battlefield. The battle isn't done until you take our last systems. Your people haven't yet, they shall not, we will Reclaim the stars and we started with Raa earlier today. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.10.02 10:52:00 -
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TrueXer0z wrote:FW seems to be one of those aspects to the game that has been greatly under appreciated. It is currently the only true link to both games. Debate can be made about what is wrong or right, but facts encompass all in which we define our own personal reality. The truth is, that there has not been any real organized focus within Dust to appropriate a concern where FW is involved. It simply doesn't have enough interested parties to be relevant within the dust community outside of a few. This is the same within Eve as well.
We have yet to see any real use of political meta gaming in Dust in any way shape or form. Control of territories are meaningless to Eve players in PC. Even though FW has actual effects in Eve it is not being taken seriously by Eve FW corporations. I mean..maybe there are a couple out there.
My point is that as much as people are upset about the state of the game in one way or another. It is us, the players, who have the ability to make so much more out of the game then we are currently. CCP has left so many things open for us to deal, cross deal, infiltrate, dismantle and backstab our way into oblivion. Narrowing your vision solely on the FPS factor is a grave mistake. In Time the Eve player will turn their eye to our humble little game and everything will change. So all your meaningless gripes will be nothing more then lost concerns that hold little weight within the grand design which is Dust 514. That is point of this thread to highly a massive flaw in FW's design.
However feel like your second paragraph is not necessarily true.
PIE Ground Deployment was formed to coalesce all of the Amarrian Loyalists interested in taking part in Factional Warfare and bring them into contact with the intent to form squads, make use of our motivated EVE side support, and to bring back the FW control percentages up. However this is not possible.
However I have also heard of Covert Intervention making similar pushes with EVE support in Gallente/Caldari FW reporting success.
However the issues still stand.
1. Losing side will continue to lose as no amount of player effort can break the amount of Offensive Contracting (Otracting from now on) of the currently winning side.
2. EVE based support however much better than regular OB support does not make enough difference to encourage players to go out of their way to aid the ground troops nor make a massive difference to ground Ops. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.10.02 11:14:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:True Adamance wrote: 2. EVE based support however much better than regular OB support does not make enough difference to encourage players to go out of their way to aid the ground troops nor make a massive difference to ground Ops.
Hmm, perhaps if an EVE player is connected to the district you can gain some sort of bonus besides the OB. Perhaps something like the EVE player can be carrying an extra stock of clones or perhaps, given a certain number of warpoints, could trigger some long range remote armor repair/shield transport for the MCC? Make it so everyone wants to have EVE support. Active battlefield scanners, turret drops, single turret strikes on battlefield assets, perhaps even possible denial of RDV drops of a couple of seconds making enemy vehicle deployment a few crucial seconds slower. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.10.11 00:22:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Revived, this is clearly still an issue. Yeah but it our issue now. Regardless of the system being broken we proved CCP wrong and did end up unbreaking the system |
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.10.11 00:42:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:True Adamance wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Revived, this is clearly still an issue. Yeah but it our issue now. Regardless of the system being broken we proved CCP wrong and did end up unbreaking the system Not trying to belittle the Amarr and Caldari efforts at all, they did a great job getting themselves out of this massive hole. But still, now we are going to benefit from this design flaw for how long before they change it? Even if its us benefiting, in the spirit of competition it just feels wrong. Agreed. I'm not one for the easy fights when we could have good ones, but I think I want to bask in the knowledge that the Amarr Militia "dun guud" for a while longer. Give me until Monday and I can get back into our discussions about improving FW. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:25:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote: "I do say Aero that battle for Penak IV was exhilarating, I couldn't prevent my Scrambler from overheating" "Indeed good chap" sips tea. "It appears that Devoid, is ... devoid of any action, am I right good sir?" "Quite so" "Indeed" puffs on pipe
Not that you guys talk like Victorian Nobility.
That is exactly how we talk.
"Oh Aero I do say have you read that new novelisation of the Scriptures yet, it is ever such good reading my dear man." "Why no Adamance I have not yet, I was busy last weekend on the Estate with Lord Admiral Gavin, you see, such a fine man, making a right royal game of Wickets" "Oh sir I do protest to your weekend debaucheries with Lord Gavin, those iced teas and Gallentean post cards with corrupt your souls." |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:38:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Bojo The Mighty wrote:Ok The main point was District Selection, did that register at all with you guys (in all seriousness)? Secondly, Angel Eyes was a bad guyThat was definitely a TT-3 Assault Pistol right there. I did edit my post quickly after posting to address that point of your post, not sure if you caught it. Should of waited to add that in before I posted. You were all too busy being Victorian, good sir I did as well. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.10.11 11:26:00 -
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:I'm currently stuck trying to recruit new players to DUST514, as I have only managed to recruit 2 people using my link, and only one of which has reached 25,000 WP. So I'm turning to the forums for help. I'm offering a 100 Million ISK incentive to any 'new' recruits who reach 100,000 WP, along with the standard benefits all New recruits earn. You see I play with all BPO dropsuit loadouts and accrue in excess of 1,500 WP a game, so as you can imagine my ISK builds up pretty quick. For those of you who don't believe me I invite you to play a game against me and I'll prove that I am all BPO, as I have purchased the Mercenary, Veteran and Elite packs as well as every BPO that was available on the market up to 1.5 Im appealing to 'ALL' forum members who may know of a person with a PSN account who doesn't play DUST514, but may be enticed to join up as a 'new' recruit, for an eye watering sum of ISK. I will provide all recruits who reach 100,000WP with a 100 Million ISK reward as soon as they email me a picture of their progress. My recruit link is available below, so please, get sharing. https://dust514.com/recruit/psgkk4/ Not an acceptable place to post your recruit grubbing. |
True Adamance
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Posted - 2013.10.12 01:10:00 -
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Xaviah Reaper wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Pretty much a combination of 1 and 3.
Gallente and Minmatar had some more skilled players, took almost all the districts, and now are having an easier time keeping it like that. We basically don't do any matchmaking on FW matches, think of them as being for more veteran players.
We do have... some changes coming to FW in the more near future that should hopefully help balance this out. :) its for that reason we need to section players into groups based on skillpoints accumulated! even out the playing field Not in FW you don't FW is balanced by the loyalists and the corporations who support them either for the ISK or the prestige, FW needs not sancitioned matchmaking capacity like public contracts do because it is the step into low sec and then on to null sec. |
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