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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
428
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Posted - 2013.09.30 13:26:00 -
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You're darned tootin' we are.
Especially when I'm playing.
Munch |
Mac Dac
Wraith Shadow Guards
220
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Posted - 2013.09.30 13:34:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote:Well if you think about it, the average FPS player who has no knowledge of the EVE Universe whatsoever will probably support the Minmatar or Gallente. Those ideals of strength, rebellion and freedom simply appeal to someone who just wants to shoot people.
As opposed to the corporate, industrial Caldari which no one cares about in DUST because everything is bought from an NPC store at the moment, and the Amarr who're probably shallowly interpreted as religious fanatics by those with a narrow view of the lore and at best, slavemasters. The first thing I personally learnt about the Amarr, and I'm sure this applies to many new members of CCP's universe, is that they had took the Minmatar as slaves, and I was opposed already.
Obviously, this is not the full picture. But first impressions count, and that's what I got, and that's most likely what another average player felt.
Actually i knew nothing of the races when i joined. And honesty their is no reason to ally with any. Personaly i chosse gallente because the minmatar quarters were crap, i had caldari quarters all closed beta, and amar was to gold and fancy.
But im pretty sure only 2% of the playerbase cares for FW let alone their race. |
Aleksander Black
Immortal Retribution
170
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Posted - 2013.09.30 13:52:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote: And yeah it's a shame, I don't know why all these guys don't join PIE, a premiere Amarr RP corp and the 3rd oldest surviving EVE corp, a lot of history here and a lot of good management. Nonetheless, as long as they are supporting us, squading with us, and having fun then what more could I ask for!
Is this an invite?
I have to say that I did consider joining PIE before joining my current Corporation. I didn't apply because, although I am loyal to Amarr and love it's suits and weapons, and I even like the RP aspect of your corp (that's why I stick in PIE Public even with the Ground Deployment Channel), although all that, I couldn't part away from my SMG. Simple as that, I just couldn't.
It's already too intensive to aim with the Scrambler Rifle at medium ranges, if I also had to use a precision gun at short range, with no bonus to armor damage on top of it, I would go nuts. It's just so relaxing to swap to a SMG and melt people in close quarters that I couldn't give it up.
To contribute a little to the question at hand though, I will tell you my experience when I play alone in FW for Amarr. I lose pretty much every time. I do finish in 1st way more often than not but it simply isn't enough to carry the whole match. Sometimes it's clear that there is an organized squad at the other side. Other times it just feels that the Minmatar side is overall less stupid. Evidence is inconclusive but it's such a pain to play alone that I'm hardly willing to go back there again to gather more "data" (and by data I mean bullets and explosives from all sides and not a hint of support from the team). |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2353
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Posted - 2013.09.30 15:27:00 -
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Aleksander Black wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote: And yeah it's a shame, I don't know why all these guys don't join PIE, a premiere Amarr RP corp and the 3rd oldest surviving EVE corp, a lot of history here and a lot of good management. Nonetheless, as long as they are supporting us, squading with us, and having fun then what more could I ask for!
Is this an invite? I have to say that I did consider joining PIE before joining my current Corporation. I didn't apply because, although I am loyal to Amarr and love it's suits and weapons, and I even like the RP aspect of your corp (that's why I stick in PIE Public even with the Ground Deployment Channel), although all that, I couldn't part away from my SMG. Simple as that, I just couldn't. It's already too intensive to aim with the Scrambler Rifle at medium ranges, if I also had to use a precision gun at short range, with no bonus to armor damage on top of it, I would go nuts. It's just so relaxing to swap to a SMG and melt people in close quarters that I couldn't give it up. To contribute a little to the question at hand though, I will tell you my experience when I play alone in FW for Amarr. I lose pretty much every time. I do finish in 1st way more often than not but it simply isn't enough to carry the whole match. Sometimes it's clear that there is an organized squad at the other side. Other times it just feels that the Minmatar side is overall less stupid. Evidence is inconclusive but it's such a pain to play alone that I'm hardly willing to go back there again to gather more "data" (and by data I mean bullets and explosives from all sides and not a hint of support from the team). Well, as much as I'd love to convince you how superior the scrambler pistol is, I feel I should also let you in on a little secret.
PIE has a clause for Dust currently that you use all Amarr tech except where there is yet an alternative. Since Amarr will be getting an SMG eventually, use of the Minmatar SMG is accepted.
So if that was the only thing holding you back, you now have no excuse! |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2366
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:10:00 -
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Poonmunch wrote:You're darned tootin' we are.
Especially when I'm playing.
Munch Perhaps when you play yes, as when I play. But do you honestly believe that this is the case for the totality of FW matches? |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2427
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:18:00 -
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I mean it is odd. Many of the matches PIE Ground Deployment squad enter end with EVE support and the win, yet we never gain ground.
Sadly I feel there are only 30ish players who actively make a difference to Amarr FW. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2427
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:22:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Vyzion Eyri wrote:Well if you think about it, the average FPS player who has no knowledge of the EVE Universe whatsoever will probably support the Minmatar or Gallente. Those ideals of strength, rebellion and freedom simply appeal to someone who just wants to shoot people.
As opposed to the corporate, industrial Caldari which no one cares about in DUST because everything is bought from an NPC store at the moment, and the Amarr who're probably shallowly interpreted as religious fanatics by those with a narrow view of the lore and at best, slavemasters. The first thing I personally learnt about the Amarr, and I'm sure this applies to many new members of CCP's universe, is that they had took the Minmatar as slaves, and I was opposed already.
Obviously, this is not the full picture. But first impressions count, and that's what I got, and that's most likely what another average player felt.
Definitely agree that first impressions are a big deal and that a lot of people read Amarr and slavery and instantly hate them, even though they are not quite the bad guys first impressions would lead you to believe. Of course PIE is working on a way to better inform new Dusters on who the Amarr are before they make up their minds, because people like you are already pretty locked in your belief against Amarr which is totally fine! Still, there are plenty of players supporting all sides so I would not suspect this to be the root of the problem in FW. The indoctrination runs deep in this one. But since he's been granted immortality, he may have time to see through the lies and adopt a life that has conscious meaning. Until them we'll just keep putting him down. I like to think of it as tough love. Idoctrination is not really what I would say. The more I discuss the nature of the factions in FW with other players, from all walks of life, the more I believe the Amarr are doing the right thing IN NEW EDEN. |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Cult of War
353
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:22:00 -
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The FW map is all determining how it looks on EVE. Even if amarr had won 100% of every FW match in the past 3 months and the EVE side of Amarr FW did nothing that map would look the same.
The thing that Dust does is make it easier for the EVE players to take systems. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2372
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:25:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:I mean it is odd. Many of the matches PIE Ground Deployment squad enter end with EVE support and the win, yet we never gain ground.
Sadly I feel there are only 30ish players who actively make a difference to Amarr FW. You should of seen some of the ridiculous efforts PIE and company put together for Amarr FW while you were gone. Look, if the rest of those who support Amarr is FW are simply terribad then I'm upset but I can accept that, so long as our efforts make some impact. We went above and beyond the call, many straight hours of victories for Amarr day-in-day-out, with multiple squads searching for multiple battles, yet at the end of the day our opposition still holds 99%. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2372
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:26:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:The FW map is all determining how it looks on EVE. Even if amarr had won 100% of every FW match in the past 3 months and the EVE side of Amarr FW did nothing that map would look the same.
The thing that Dust does is make it easier for the EVE players to take systems. That's what I originally thought, but is not the case. The FW map we see in Dust is in fact detailing Dust-side control. |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2430
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:28:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:True Adamance wrote:I mean it is odd. Many of the matches PIE Ground Deployment squad enter end with EVE support and the win, yet we never gain ground.
Sadly I feel there are only 30ish players who actively make a difference to Amarr FW. You should of seen some of the ridiculous efforts PIE and company put together for Amarr FW while you were gone. Look, if the rest of those who support Amarr is FW are simply terribad then I'm upset but I can accept that, so long as our efforts make some impact. We went above and beyond the call, many straight hours of victories for Amarr day-in-day-out, with multiple squads searching for multiple battles, yet at the end of the day our opposition still holds 99%. I can believe it.
I know how hard we have been working.
Great matches against the Minmatar, a lot of fun all around, good wins, tough losses, but Dust should have some impact on the space war, and should pendulum. I mean PIE, Immortal Retribution, Hectationchires, and EoN have been doing some great things, you would think that we would atleast have claimed one system, in a meaningful way. |
Rowdy Railgunner
TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN.
48
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:29:00 -
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I think that CCP needs to implement a lobby server instead of straight match making and allow a commander to take whole corps or just allied squads together into battle. That way if you want to defend the area you just took you can single it out and defend it. As it stands you are just getting sent willy nilly all over the universe and there is no real attraction to keeping a certain side in your playlist. Personally I just sync up for either Cal mil/ Amarr or do Minny / Gal mil. And if I really don't care i just sync up all 4 empires and fight for whoever, I am a merc after all. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2373
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:31:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote: The indoctrination runs deep in this one. But since he's been granted immortality, he may have time to see through the lies and adopt a life that has conscious meaning.
Until them we'll just keep putting him down. I like to think of it as tough love.
You realize the same could be said for you or anyone? Stating someone only supports a faction due to indoctrination or brainwash is getting moot. Anyways, I'm not really trying to start some IC debate here. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2430
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:36:00 -
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Rowdy Railgunner wrote:I think that CCP needs to implement a lobby server instead of straight match making and allow a commander to take whole corps or just allied squads together into battle. That way if you want to defend the area you just took you can single it out and defend it. As it stands you are just getting sent willy nilly all over the universe and there is no real attraction to keeping a certain side in your playlist. Personally I just sync up for either Cal mil/ Amarr or do Minny / Gal mil. And if I really don't care i just sync up all 4 empires and fight for whoever, I am a merc after all. Perhaps FW corps EVE side can lay out corporate contracts for specific corps and groups to fight in. This might even allow corps to make a difference or encourage other corps to start trying to make a difference. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1109
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:39:00 -
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My corp plays fw about 90% of the time and the teams are always us vs npc corps or us vs two of you pie guys. Rarely do you ever have organized support on the Amarr side. At least on the minmatar side we seem to get a fair amount of competent solo or small squads.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2433
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:44:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:My corp plays fw about 90% of the time and the teams are always us vs npc corps or us vs two of you pie guys. Rarely do you ever have organized support on the Amarr side. At least on the minmatar side we seem to get a fair amount of competent solo or small squads.
Our squad tend to be made up of regular allies from other corps. FW is not big, our way was not to recruit using PC as a buzz word, nor was it to be the best corp in the game, it was to be the best Amarrian corp int he game. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1109
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:54:00 -
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I don't mean anything insulting about my comment. My apologies if it seemed that way. You guys always do well no argument there. You can tell when you've got a full squad. Only one squad can do so much though. I'm just saying that in the game of who gets stuck with a bunch of Bambi's it's usually the Amarr. Which is a shame. Every now and again team players fight for the Amarr w the otger regular amarr supprters and those are awesome fights. I really wish fw had more of these intense fights. They're often too one sided. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2433
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:56:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:I don't mean anything insulting about my comment. My apologies if it seemed that way. You guys always do well no argument there. You can tell when you've got a full squad. Only one squad can do so much though. I'm just saying that in the game of who gets stuck with a bunch of Bambi's it's usually the Amarr. Which is a shame. Every now and again team players fight for the Amarr and those are awesome fights. I really wish fw had more of these intense fights. They're often too one sided.
Nah no offense taken.
Issue is players don't care enough or know enough about the game to make and informed decision and those that do all follow the same path to the same ending place. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
1109
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Posted - 2013.09.30 20:57:00 -
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Militias need a better way to organize and deploy. Plain and simple. |
Rowdy Railgunner
TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN.
48
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:12:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Rowdy Railgunner wrote:I think that CCP needs to implement a lobby server instead of straight match making and allow a commander to take whole corps or just allied squads together into battle. That way if you want to defend the area you just took you can single it out and defend it. As it stands you are just getting sent willy nilly all over the universe and there is no real attraction to keeping a certain side in your playlist. Personally I just sync up for either Cal mil/ Amarr or do Minny / Gal mil. And if I really don't care i just sync up all 4 empires and fight for whoever, I am a merc after all. Perhaps FW corps EVE side can lay out corporate contracts for specific corps and groups to fight in. This might even allow corps to make a difference or encourage other corps to start trying to make a difference. That and make flipping the system EVE side reliant on DUST side ownership. Would bring the games closer together and it is only FW so not really that game breaking EVE side. It would also be a great test for when they want to implement DUST into null sec sovereignty.
Or a possible test for boarding parties, make the hub in a FW system vulnerable to merc attack by the EVE players getting 100% in a system, smashing the hub and then have a "Rush" type game mode, I think we had that once remember people, where the attacking side has to break into the hub and hack the control center to turn it to your factions side. So maybe 3-4 objective defenses that you have to break down until you reach the control deck and take it over. Only fault I see with this is that there would be no OB.
Easy fix to that is add in different types of EWAR that can be used for boarding parties. Some examples would be better repair efficiency for local and remote reps for defenders and attackers (lore- since the hub is blown open trit can now be used as a nanite compound due to no atmosphere), lower scan signatures for attackers, ECM that would not allow scanners (suit or active module) to work for defenders and attackers and would target both teams simultaneously (think burst ECM), increased sensor strength for defenders (due to the hub internal defenses scanning out the attacking team)... Maybe people can come up with some others that would be better. Just spit-balling here. |
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Mechoj Nomreps
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
112
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:13:00 -
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Dead six initiative always fight for the Caldari, we do however accept all races as allies, as this is only pragmatic. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2440
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:39:00 -
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Mechoj Nomreps wrote:Dead six initiative always fight for the Caldari, we do however accept all races as allies, as this is only pragmatic. The do FW properly I would spend a lot more time flying for your guys.... Since I wont have the skils to fully embrace the way D6 is set up now for a few weeks I'll be offline a lot more. |
Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
120
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Posted - 2013.09.30 21:56:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:To be honest I'm happy that more people want to participate in FW, however I do believe FW needs some mild restrictions as many of the players I come across really should be doing public contracts a little more. In fairness, CCP doesn't really do a good job explaining to people what FW is and how it differs from Public contracts. When so many players are using FW as matchmaking 2.0, it can be hard for any group to make any real impact since, unlike EVE, there is a limit to how many people can attack or defend a specific spot at one time.
I've mentioned this before, but it needs to be said: Public contract battles (skirmish) were breeding grounds for pubstomping. I've noticed more and more NPC characters move over to FW throughout the past month...but now FW is beginning to resemble the public battles. There's simply nowhere safe for inexperienced/solo players to go now.
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Vin Vicious
Capital Acquisitions LLC Public Disorder.
528
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Posted - 2013.09.30 22:03:00 -
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My corp primarily does Caldari FW and rarely lose
so EVE side caldari FW need to get their **** together cause we're doing our part |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
984
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Posted - 2013.09.30 22:05:00 -
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I've noticed that Caldari and Amarrian FW players's gun game is lacking. It's pretty easy to keep my HAV's alive. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
984
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Posted - 2013.09.30 22:06:00 -
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Vin Vicious wrote:My corp primarily does Caldari FW and rarely lose
so EVE side caldari FW need to get their **** together cause we're doing our part
**** your corp. For the Federation! |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2441
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Posted - 2013.09.30 22:57:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:I've noticed that Caldari and Amarrian FW players's gun game is lacking. It's pretty easy to keep my HAV's alive. That's a joke, gotta say the minnies are terrible shots.
Sept that Damn Reav Hanamari.
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Mechoj Nomreps
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
113
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Posted - 2013.09.30 23:11:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:I've noticed that Caldari and Amarrian FW players's gun game is lacking. It's pretty easy to keep my HAV's alive. That's a joke, gotta say the minnies are terrible shots. Sept that Damn Reav Hanamari.
A pity we never go against eachother so you can feel my shotgun :) |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2445
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Posted - 2013.09.30 23:30:00 -
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Mechoj Nomreps wrote:True Adamance wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:I've noticed that Caldari and Amarrian FW players's gun game is lacking. It's pretty easy to keep my HAV's alive. That's a joke, gotta say the minnies are terrible shots. Sept that Damn Reav Hanamari. A pity we never go against eachother so you can feel my shotgun :) I don't have to worry about that mate. I drive a tank. PLus you aren't even Matari Mr Mechoj Caldaripants. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
4306
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Posted - 2013.10.01 00:28:00 -
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@OP better question would be to ask do ppl actually care about FW?????? |
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