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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:20:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote: ANYWHERE can become a viable sniper perch - you just need to be there at the right time. THIS a million times this sniping is about reading the battlefield more then it is about finding that one broken position you can camp in Actually i think being a sniper is about finding A broken position you can camp in so long as it helps the team, when its no longer advantageous you move along. That being said if you don't need to move to continue helping your team AS A SNIPER then you don't need to move. If your no longer helping, you need to move and find the next whole in the enemies defense and set up there. The combat inside those compounds/sockets is to fast paced most of the time. I have fought inside of them as a sniper and i have been successful there. It's not impossible and i have done it, but, that is not what a sniper should do. We get this whole map to work with and then we're reduced to work within 1/10th of it.
Dude if the majority of null cannons are in 1/10th of the map you will more than likely be expected to contribute to the battle in that 1/10th there are only 16 people a side, that enough fro 2 squads and 4 left over, there aren't gonna be hundreds of battles to choose from! |
Salviatino Maiano
Pawns and Kings The Superpowers
11
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:20:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote: ANYWHERE can become a viable sniper perch - you just need to be there at the right time. THIS a million times this sniping is about reading the battlefield more then it is about finding that one broken position you can camp in Actually i think being a sniper is about finding A broken position you can camp in so long as it helps the team, when its no longer advantageous you move along. That being said if you don't need to move to continue helping your team AS A SNIPER then you don't need to move. If your no longer helping, you need to move and find the next whole in the enemies defense and set up there. The combat inside those compounds/sockets is to fast paced most of the time. I have fought inside of them as a sniper and i have been successful there. It's not impossible and i have done it, but, that is not what a sniper should do. We get this whole map to work with and then we're reduced to work within 1/10th of it. ahh thats the problem. snipers arnt supposed to be able to find a broken position in a game. thats what balance is.
when has combat been about balance, its about getting the advantage on the other team, why else do we upgrade our equipment? |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
875
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:20:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote: ANYWHERE can become a viable sniper perch - you just need to be there at the right time. THIS a million times this sniping is about reading the battlefield more then it is about finding that one broken position you can camp in Actually i think being a sniper is about finding A broken position you can camp in so long as it helps the team, when its no longer advantageous you move along. That being said if you don't need to move to continue helping your team AS A SNIPER then you don't need to move. If your no longer helping, you need to move and find the next whole in the enemies defense and set up there. The combat inside those compounds/sockets is to fast paced most of the time. I have fought inside of them as a sniper and i have been successful there. It's not impossible and i have done it, but, that is not what a sniper should do. We get this whole map to work with and then we're reduced to work within 1/10th of it. If you're expecting to stay still all game, I'm sorry, but you're NOT a good sniper. Snipers are, by definition, a reactive role in gaming. You position yourself NOT based on "this is a perfect position" but based on "this is the right place to be RIGHT NOW" and be ready to move when the situation changes, or when you're spotted. I think that is being a good sniper and snipers were "getting to many kills" so enough people like you complained about it and now it's been "fixed." I want more of the old maps. i want people like you to cry when a good sniper ruins your attempts to kill his team or hack his objectives.
LOL, this guy.... hes funny
i called it, he wants to sit on a tower invulnerable to everything and call it "tactics" |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4046
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:23:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:I think that is being a good sniper and snipers were "getting to many kills" so enough people like you complained about it and now it's been "fixed." I want more of the old maps. i want people like you to cry when a good sniper ruins your attempts to kill his team or hack his objectives. Good snipers used to get lots of kills. Now, good snipers STILL get lots of kills.
Bad snipers like you used to get lots of kills. Now they have to learn how to be good snipers.
I think it's a good improvement. |
Kekklian Noobatronic
Goonfeet Top Men.
448
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:23:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:new maps are very sniper friendly.
they just arnt built so that the only counter is another sniper.
before you could just sit up on an unreachable tower and be invulnerable to everything but other snipers.
now you actually have to think about where you are and move with the battle.
think of it as taking the training wheels off.
Sums it up. |
Salviatino Maiano
Pawns and Kings The Superpowers
11
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:24:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote: ANYWHERE can become a viable sniper perch - you just need to be there at the right time. THIS a million times this sniping is about reading the battlefield more then it is about finding that one broken position you can camp in Actually i think being a sniper is about finding A broken position you can camp in so long as it helps the team, when its no longer advantageous you move along. That being said if you don't need to move to continue helping your team AS A SNIPER then you don't need to move. If your no longer helping, you need to move and find the next whole in the enemies defense and set up there. The combat inside those compounds/sockets is to fast paced most of the time. I have fought inside of them as a sniper and i have been successful there. It's not impossible and i have done it, but, that is not what a sniper should do. We get this whole map to work with and then we're reduced to work within 1/10th of it. Dude if the majority of null cannons are in 1/10th of the map you will more than likely be expected to contribute to the battle in that 1/10th there are only 16 people a side, that enough fro 2 squads and 4 left over, there aren't gonna be hundreds of battles to choose from!
Yep, and a whole lot of running room, or maybe i could just race my LAV around the outside since no ones there of AFK off in the middle of nowhere because everyones crammed together in a COD size area fighting for objective with the walls put up to cut off the snipers. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
508
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:24:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote: ANYWHERE can become a viable sniper perch - you just need to be there at the right time. THIS a million times this sniping is about reading the battlefield more then it is about finding that one broken position you can camp in Actually i think being a sniper is about finding A broken position you can camp in so long as it helps the team, when its no longer advantageous you move along. That being said if you don't need to move to continue helping your team AS A SNIPER then you don't need to move. If your no longer helping, you need to move and find the next whole in the enemies defense and set up there. The combat inside those compounds/sockets is to fast paced most of the time. I have fought inside of them as a sniper and i have been successful there. It's not impossible and i have done it, but, that is not what a sniper should do. We get this whole map to work with and then we're reduced to work within 1/10th of it. If you're expecting to stay still all game, I'm sorry, but you're NOT a good sniper. Snipers are, by definition, a reactive role in gaming. You position yourself NOT based on "this is a perfect position" but based on "this is the right place to be RIGHT NOW" and be ready to move when the situation changes, or when you're spotted. I think that is being a good sniper and snipers were "getting to many kills" so enough people like you complained about it and now it's been "fixed." I want more of the old maps. i want people like you to cry when a good sniper ruins your attempts to kill his team or hack his objectives.
Do you know what I do to snipers who do that? Introduce them to my shotgun!! Multiple times, you see we can deal with being sniped, if the sniper is taking a risk to do it, he's taken a risk he got a reward, I took a risk jg didn't pay off, if you expect to sit on hill sniping people from where you can't be hit, well guess what that time is over, and my shorgun is waiting at your redline! |
Salviatino Maiano
Pawns and Kings The Superpowers
11
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:25:00 -
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Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:new maps are very sniper friendly.
they just arnt built so that the only counter is another sniper.
before you could just sit up on an unreachable tower and be invulnerable to everything but other snipers.
now you actually have to think about where you are and move with the battle.
think of it as taking the training wheels off. Sums it up.
Its taking all the wheels off from my point of view and asking us to keep up with the rest of the pack |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
508
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:26:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote: ANYWHERE can become a viable sniper perch - you just need to be there at the right time. THIS a million times this sniping is about reading the battlefield more then it is about finding that one broken position you can camp in Actually i think being a sniper is about finding A broken position you can camp in so long as it helps the team, when its no longer advantageous you move along. That being said if you don't need to move to continue helping your team AS A SNIPER then you don't need to move. If your no longer helping, you need to move and find the next whole in the enemies defense and set up there. The combat inside those compounds/sockets is to fast paced most of the time. I have fought inside of them as a sniper and i have been successful there. It's not impossible and i have done it, but, that is not what a sniper should do. We get this whole map to work with and then we're reduced to work within 1/10th of it. Dude if the majority of null cannons are in 1/10th of the map you will more than likely be expected to contribute to the battle in that 1/10th there are only 16 people a side, that enough fro 2 squads and 4 left over, there aren't gonna be hundreds of battles to choose from! Yep, and a whole lot of running room, or maybe i could just race my LAV around the outside since no ones there of AFK off in the middle of nowhere because everyones crammed together in a COD size area fighting for objective with the walls put up to cut off the snipers.
Or you join in, and make a difference instead of bumming around look for easy risk-less kills!! |
Salviatino Maiano
Pawns and Kings The Superpowers
11
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:28:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:
Do you know what I do to snipers who do that? Introduce them to my shotgun!! Multiple times, you see we can deal with being sniped, if the sniper is taking a risk to do it, he's taken a risk he got a reward, I took a risk jg didn't pay off, if you expect to sit on hill sniping people from where you can't be hit, well guess what that time is over, and my shorgun is waiting at your redline!
again im not on the redline, and if you take the time to avoid my line of sight and make it to where i am and are able to sneak and shoot me with your shotgun, well good for you i have no problem with that. that is a risk i am willing to take AS A SNIPER. |
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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1461
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:28:00 -
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You obviously haven't seen my other personality going on Rushing killing sprees with the Sniper Rifle .. he even uses the Sniper Rifle as a shotgun sometimes. |
Salviatino Maiano
Pawns and Kings The Superpowers
11
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:30:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote: Or you join in, and make a difference instead of bumming around look for easy risk-less kills!!
-reference- everything i've already said in this post, did you even read it all?
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4046
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:32:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote: Or you join in, and make a difference instead of bumming around look for easy risk-less kills!!
-reference- everything i've already said in this post, did you even read it all? Pretty sure I never said that.
If you're going to cut quotes down, please do it right. |
Salviatino Maiano
Pawns and Kings The Superpowers
11
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:34:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:
LOL, this guy.... hes funny
i called it, he wants to sit on a tower invulnerable to everything and call it "tactics"
You all are funny, sniper are supposed to run around, snipers are supposed to be in the middle of it with the team, teamwork! wth do you all think of when you think... sniper?
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Salviatino Maiano
Pawns and Kings The Superpowers
11
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:35:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote: Or you join in, and make a difference instead of bumming around look for easy risk-less kills!!
-reference- everything i've already said in this post, did you even read it all? Pretty sure I never said that. If you're going to cut quotes down, please do it right.
my bad, it think i did it again |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4046
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:36:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:wth do you all think of when you think... sniper? Good Sniper: Mobile long-range supporting fire. Bad sniper: Camping kill-hog. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
875
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:37:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:wth do you all think of when you think... sniper? Good Sniper: Mobile long-range supporting fire. Bad sniper: Camping kill-hog.
this |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
508
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:38:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote: Or you join in, and make a difference instead of bumming around look for easy risk-less kills!!
-reference- everything i've already said in this post, did you even read it all?
First it Monkey not Garrett!! Secondly if you have no problem with me putting a shotgun in your face in feild, why have you got such a problem to me doing it in a compound where you have more chances to hide, more opportunities for traps, and more opportunities to kill more people!!
Yes I have been reading it all, the one I was responding to was complaing that because the majority of the match is going on in a small section you have nothing to do, so get of your behind go in there and change the battle!! If there is nothing to do move to somewhere where there is something todo!! |
Salviatino Maiano
Pawns and Kings The Superpowers
11
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:40:00 -
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If you put snipers into a game, make them snipers. If not.... take them out. No gamer in their right mind likes a sniper as a matter of fact you hate snipers. If they're in a game, sure reel them in make them less effective but don't take away the primary role. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
508
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:40:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:
LOL, this guy.... hes funny
i called it, he wants to sit on a tower invulnerable to everything and call it "tactics"
You all are funny, sniper are supposed to run around, snipers are supposed to be in the middle of it with the team, teamwork! wth do you all think of when you think... sniper?
This is what we think, notice how hes a little closer than 100m, in a flanking posistion, taking care of the enemy, to help his team advance!!
http://dust514.com/media/videos/fight-your-own-war/ |
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Salviatino Maiano
Pawns and Kings The Superpowers
11
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:44:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote: Or you join in, and make a difference instead of bumming around look for easy risk-less kills!!
-reference- everything i've already said in this post, did you even read it all? First it Monkey not Garrett!! Secondly if you have no problem with me putting a shotgun in your face in feild, why have you got such a problem to me doing it in a compound where you have more chances to hide, more opportunities for traps, and more opportunities to kill more people!! Yes I have been reading it all, the one I was responding to was complaing that because the majority of the match is going on in a small section you have nothing to do, so get of your behind go in there and change the battle!! If there is nothing to do move to somewhere where there is something todo!!
Get my behind in there? I'm a sniper, i don't get my behind in anywhere but to an over look or a nest on the ground or high up or in a compound that is around 100m away from the enemy( not what i do what i should be able to do), you keep using this word sniper... i do not think it means what you think it means.... |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4046
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:45:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote: Or you join in, and make a difference instead of bumming around look for easy risk-less kills!!
-reference- everything i've already said in this post, did you even read it all? Pretty sure I never said that. If you're going to cut quotes down, please do it right. my bad, it think i did it again Three times so far. Let me explain how to make things work.
(quote=Person)(quote=OtherGuy)(quote=OneMore)(quote=last)(/quote)(/quote)(/quote)(/quote)
Deleting the part in bold/italics will remove the first post in the sequence of quotes. Removing the part in italics (bold and not) removes the first 2 posters. Removing everything between the outer bold (quote) and (/quote) tags will leave only the most recent post.
If you remove the wrong (quote) tag, you'll be attaching the wrong name to the post you're quoting. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4046
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:47:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:If you put snipers into a game, make them snipers. If not.... take them out. No gamer in their right mind likes a sniper as a matter of fact you hate snipers. If they're in a game, sure reel them in make them less effective but don't take away the primary role. They haven't taken away the primary role. It's actually made more viable in DUST than most shooters, which make snipers into killing machines isntead of a tactical resource. Adding the ability to see who the squad leaders are in 1.5 has made snipers even more effective, because you can preferentially target them and eliminate the guy about to drop an orbital. |
Salviatino Maiano
Pawns and Kings The Superpowers
11
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:47:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:
LOL, this guy.... hes funny
i called it, he wants to sit on a tower invulnerable to everything and call it "tactics"
You all are funny, sniper are supposed to run around, snipers are supposed to be in the middle of it with the team, teamwork! wth do you all think of when you think... sniper? This is what we think, notice how hes a little closer than 100m, in a flanking posistion, taking care of the enemy, to help his team advance!! http://dust514.com/media/videos/fight-your-own-war/
He was able to sit back and snipe into an open area. you cannot do that with some of the new sockets. that was the whole point of this thread. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
877
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:49:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:
LOL, this guy.... hes funny
i called it, he wants to sit on a tower invulnerable to everything and call it "tactics"
You all are funny, sniper are supposed to run around, snipers are supposed to be in the middle of it with the team, teamwork! wth do you all think of when you think... sniper? This is what we think, notice how hes a little closer than 100m, in a flanking posistion, taking care of the enemy, to help his team advance!! http://dust514.com/media/videos/fight-your-own-war/ He was able to sit back and snipe into an open area. you cannot do that with some of the new sockets. that was the whole point of this thread.
you CAN
thats what were telling you.
everything you think is wrong... isnt actually a problem for anyone but you. |
Salviatino Maiano
Pawns and Kings The Superpowers
12
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:49:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:If you put snipers into a game, make them snipers. If not.... take them out. No gamer in their right mind likes a sniper as a matter of fact you hate snipers. If they're in a game, sure reel them in make them less effective but don't take away the primary role. They haven't taken away the primary role. It's actually made more viable in DUST than most shooters, which make snipers into killing machines isntead of a tactical resource. Adding the ability to see who the squad leaders are in 1.5 has made snipers even more effective, because you can preferentially target them and eliminate the guy about to drop an orbital.
Seeing who the squad leader is has been a great add, i guess i'm more so talking about some of the new sockets that eliminate the sniper factor all together. |
Salviatino Maiano
Pawns and Kings The Superpowers
12
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:50:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:
LOL, this guy.... hes funny
i called it, he wants to sit on a tower invulnerable to everything and call it "tactics"
You all are funny, sniper are supposed to run around, snipers are supposed to be in the middle of it with the team, teamwork! wth do you all think of when you think... sniper? This is what we think, notice how hes a little closer than 100m, in a flanking posistion, taking care of the enemy, to help his team advance!! http://dust514.com/media/videos/fight-your-own-war/ He was able to sit back and snipe into an open area. you cannot do that with some of the new sockets. that was the whole point of this thread. you CAN thats what were telling you. everything you think is wrong... isnt actually a problem for anyone but you.
I'll tale your word for every sniper in dust
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Keeriam Miray
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
58
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:51:00 -
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Let me say it other way... this is SCI-FI mmo fps (rpg), NOT RL SNIPING SIMULATOR. This works for you? |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
877
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:52:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote: I'll tale your word for every sniper in dust
i have exactly 1 point in sniping...
and i can do it.
im crap at sniping
and i can do it
i expect you to do better then me if you expect to call yourself a sniper |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
508
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:52:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:
LOL, this guy.... hes funny
i called it, he wants to sit on a tower invulnerable to everything and call it "tactics"
You all are funny, sniper are supposed to run around, snipers are supposed to be in the middle of it with the team, teamwork! wth do you all think of when you think... sniper? This is what we think, notice how hes a little closer than 100m, in a flanking posistion, taking care of the enemy, to help his team advance!! http://dust514.com/media/videos/fight-your-own-war/ He was able to sit back and snipe into an open area. you cannot do that with some of the new sockets. that was the whole point of this thread.
Jesus holy mother above THAT is exactly what you can do in the new sockets, infact its easier in the new sockets because its harder to get to you!! |
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