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Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.09.17 07:42:00 -
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new maps are very sniper friendly.
they just arnt built so that the only counter is another sniper.
before you could just sit up on an unreachable tower and be invulnerable to everything but other snipers.
now you actually have to think about where you are and move with the battle.
think of it as taking the training wheels off. |
Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.09.17 07:56:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:
they just arnt built so that the only counter is another sniper.
before you could just sit up on an unreachable tower and be invulnerable to everything but other snipers.
now you actually have to think about where you are and move with the battle.
think of it as taking the training wheels off.
Towers gone, fine we could find new reachable places. Only counter is another sniper... well if that wasn't the case then your not a sniper... if you don't like the fact that you can't kill snipers without another sniper then lets just get rid of them.
i know a few sniper specialists.... you dont sound like they do... im guessing your not that great if you dont know how to find good nests and move between nests as needed through a fight.
your the type that sits in one place all game untill another sniper takes you out 2 or 3 times....
i firmly believe a novaknife scout should always be able to counter a sniper :P
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Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.09.17 08:15:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:I know i must be a terrible sniper, i am a camper, I am everything you hate about the sniper and it's all my fault. I f you don't like what a sniper does than get rid of it but don't give us what we need then set us up for failure.
oh i LOVE snipers.
a good sniper is worth his weight in ISK
what YOU do... isnt what a good sniper does... and isnt worth anything to a team.
my sniper buddy says the new maps are awesome for snipers, he loves finding new and interesting places to hide and have LOS to various objectives.
he says it feels like spots were designed for snipers to have good LOS to certain areas.
the new maps were built to correct mistakes with the old, in your case the new maps were built to punish nonproductive behavior (redline/tower sniping) and reward snipers who float around the battlefield moving from position to position sniping as a form of squad support.
CCP has spoken, adapt or die |
Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.09.17 09:12:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:Keeriam Miray wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:http://science.howstuffworks.com/sniper1.htm Dust 514 is virtual console game, not RL. Science doesn't work in Dust 514  Again whats the point of having snipers if we are not using them as they are supposed to be?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Get them out of the game then!
wait.... your using a sniper in ways its not supposed to be used... becuase you dont want to use it as intended...
then you complain when the new maps dont support your broken playstyle that doesnt help the team.
YOUR the one not using the sniper as its designed....
and the enw maps DID remove that playstyle form the game.
so all your requests were granted... its just that you diddnt expect that YOUR playstyle would be the one to be removed |
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Posted - 2013.09.17 09:25:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:Keeriam Miray wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:http://science.howstuffworks.com/sniper1.htm Dust 514 is virtual console game, not RL. Science doesn't work in Dust 514 Again whats the point of having snipers if we are not using them as they are supposed to be?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Get them out of the game then! wait.... your using a sniper in ways its not supposed to be used... becuase you dont want to use it as intended... then you complain when the new maps dont support your broken playstyle that doesnt help the team. YOUR the one not using the sniper as its designed.... and the enw maps DID remove that playstyle form the game. so all your requests were granted... its just that you diddnt expect that YOUR playstyle would be the one to be removed How exactly is it supposed to be used, maybe I don't understand?
well its NOT designed to sit in completly unreachable territory with LOS to absolutly everything with zero risk.
its supposed to be a long range recon and support fire class.
snipers are "pinning" and "terror" weapons, they are designed to keep enamys pinned down and behind cover to help troop advances, and pick off high value targets like people in charge.
in real life thats how its used.
your supposed to move about the battlefield, not stay stationary forever.
good snipers in game are constantly moving from nest to nest following and supporting the battle lines. they are at risk of being coutnersniped or snuck up on by infantry if they stay somewhere long enough to give themselves away.
they use the confusion of a gunfight to go undetected.
you just sit somewhere all game and laugh as the only thing that can kill you is a better sniper because your out of reach of anything else.
it also forces the countersniper to put himself at risk to counter you, make themselves vulnerable to infantry just to get in range.
basically its broken becuase of map design. the new maps fixed alot of those problems.
adapt and play like a good sniper. or pick another weapon more suited to your role, like MMC AFK fatty |
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Posted - 2013.09.17 09:43:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:Thats me MCC AFK fatty, tell me how you support your team when they are inside the new compounds?
as a sniper i believe its YOUR job to find nests... and NOT tell me... so that i wont knife you in the back :P
go find them, they exsist... |
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Posted - 2013.09.17 10:34:00 -
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this guy sounds like he doesnt want to even be a sniper. he wants to be an MCC afker with kills...
you dont actually have to engage in close quarters unless someone finds you. you have to be smart though and know where the battlelines will be drawn ahead of time and camp out and wait for the enamy to cross line of fire while they engage your forces.
if someone spots you, RUN AWAY. reset and find the next spot.
this guy just wants good vantage points in the redzone, something the devs specifically designed to prevent.(for the most part)
the only good those vantage points left in the red zone are going to be is for when your redlined.
learn to actually step outside of the red and help your team. |
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Posted - 2013.09.17 10:48:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:this guy sounds like he doesnt want to even be a sniper. he wants to be an MCC afker with kills...
you dont actually have to engage in close quarters unless someone finds you. you have to be smart though and know where the battlelines will be drawn ahead of time and camp out and wait for the enamy to cross line of fire while they engage your forces.
if someone spots you, RUN AWAY. reset and find the next spot.
this guy just wants good vantage points in the redzone, something the devs specifically designed to prevent.(for the most part)
the only good those vantage points left in the red zone are going to be is for when your redlined.
learn to actually step outside of the red and help your team. This guy just wants to be a sniper, not an assault rifle or laser rifle or swarm launcher or shotgun or mass driver or plasma cannon or scrambler rifle. I do step out of the red and help my team, I just don't get as close as they do and i take my shots from far away. can't do that anymore, have to be closer now. quit bashing me and address this as a problem. if you're here to judge me as a player open a new thread and we can talk there.
the problems your facing are problems you yourself have to learn to solve. its what seperates good snipers from people with a sniper rifle equipped.
you have to be able to read a battle and know the maps.
the issues your bringing up are a matter of playstyle not game mechanics.
adjust your playstyle, learn, and grow as a player. these problems of yours cant be fixed by anyone but yourself. |
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Posted - 2013.09.17 10:52:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:The fact is you don't get anything for "recon" except the title of AFKer so your only role as a sniper is to deny safe area's to the enemy with the equipment we get, the role of our primary weapon is almost obsolete in doing this.
you have a supercharged tac rifle.
use it like a supercharged tac rifle....
its not rocket science |
Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.09.17 10:59:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:The fact is you don't get anything for "recon" except the title of AFKer so your only role as a sniper is to deny safe area's to the enemy with the equipment we get, the role of our primary weapon is almost obsolete in doing this. you have a supercharged tac rifle. use it like a supercharged tac rifle.... its not rocket science Its a sniper rifle, and its that thinking that has me wondering why there are sniper in the first place. If you don't like what a sniper gets to do then get rid of them don't give it to them then slowly take it away.
*facepalm*
you have an ENTIRE thread worth of people telling you snipers are doing just fine.
its just that you dont know how to play one. |
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Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:07:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote: ANYWHERE can become a viable sniper perch - you just need to be there at the right time.
THIS a million times this
sniping is about reading the battlefield more then it is about finding that one broken position you can camp in |
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:18:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote: ANYWHERE can become a viable sniper perch - you just need to be there at the right time. THIS a million times this sniping is about reading the battlefield more then it is about finding that one broken position you can camp in Actually i think being a sniper is about finding A broken position you can camp in so long as it helps the team, when its no longer advantageous you move along. That being said if you don't need to move to continue helping your team AS A SNIPER then you don't need to move. If your no longer helping, you need to move and find the next whole in the enemies defense and set up there. The combat inside those compounds/sockets is to fast paced most of the time. I have fought inside of them as a sniper and i have been successful there. It's not impossible and i have done it, but, that is not what a sniper should do. We get this whole map to work with and then we're reduced to work within 1/10th of it.
ahh thats the problem.
snipers arnt supposed to be able to find a broken position in a game.
thats what balance is.
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Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:20:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote: ANYWHERE can become a viable sniper perch - you just need to be there at the right time. THIS a million times this sniping is about reading the battlefield more then it is about finding that one broken position you can camp in Actually i think being a sniper is about finding A broken position you can camp in so long as it helps the team, when its no longer advantageous you move along. That being said if you don't need to move to continue helping your team AS A SNIPER then you don't need to move. If your no longer helping, you need to move and find the next whole in the enemies defense and set up there. The combat inside those compounds/sockets is to fast paced most of the time. I have fought inside of them as a sniper and i have been successful there. It's not impossible and i have done it, but, that is not what a sniper should do. We get this whole map to work with and then we're reduced to work within 1/10th of it. If you're expecting to stay still all game, I'm sorry, but you're NOT a good sniper. Snipers are, by definition, a reactive role in gaming. You position yourself NOT based on "this is a perfect position" but based on "this is the right place to be RIGHT NOW" and be ready to move when the situation changes, or when you're spotted. I think that is being a good sniper and snipers were "getting to many kills" so enough people like you complained about it and now it's been "fixed." I want more of the old maps. i want people like you to cry when a good sniper ruins your attempts to kill his team or hack his objectives.
LOL, this guy.... hes funny
i called it, he wants to sit on a tower invulnerable to everything and call it "tactics" |
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:37:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:wth do you all think of when you think... sniper? Good Sniper: Mobile long-range supporting fire. Bad sniper: Camping kill-hog.
this |
Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:49:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:
LOL, this guy.... hes funny
i called it, he wants to sit on a tower invulnerable to everything and call it "tactics"
You all are funny, sniper are supposed to run around, snipers are supposed to be in the middle of it with the team, teamwork! wth do you all think of when you think... sniper? This is what we think, notice how hes a little closer than 100m, in a flanking posistion, taking care of the enemy, to help his team advance!! http://dust514.com/media/videos/fight-your-own-war/ He was able to sit back and snipe into an open area. you cannot do that with some of the new sockets. that was the whole point of this thread.
you CAN
thats what were telling you.
everything you think is wrong... isnt actually a problem for anyone but you. |
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Posted - 2013.09.17 11:52:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:
I'll tale your word for every sniper in dust
i have exactly 1 point in sniping...
and i can do it.
im crap at sniping
and i can do it
i expect you to do better then me if you expect to call yourself a sniper |
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Posted - 2013.09.17 12:04:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:i guess i'm more so talking about some of the new sockets that eliminate the sniper factor all together. There are no sockets which invalidate sniping across the entire map just by their presence in one location on the map. There are a few which make sniping more difficult and a less reliable option around that one area of the map, but even then, it's never totally invalidated, it just takes a slight change in approach when you're fighting in that particular area. The Gallente research facility- the weapons lab and the power cores. wide open spaces blocked off by high walls and only good nest are within 50m of any enemy almost the entire time. <-- not prime for sniping
the ledge objective is open season for snipers and to be sniped from.
you can position to snipe down into the power core from well outside it.
the roads are huge choke points, you can snipe assaulters trying to get into the power core.
the edges of the facility have LOADS of hidden little places that overlook the many defencive and offenceive chokepoints and are RIPE for sniping.
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Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.09.17 12:08:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:why is this so hard to understand.
thats what we are wondering....
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Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.09.17 12:19:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:Two roads and some open areas with minimal retreat options, the first sign that i'm running scout/sniper i get run down by a Gek or Duvolle. retreating back to my team mates to get there help only throws me in with the people their dealing with and running into the open area, well its useless. This socket has made my job no longer a nuisance, which is what it is supposed to be.
alright im done.
HTFU GETGUD go play COD
adapt or die
can i have your stuff when you quit? |
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Posted - 2013.09.17 12:26:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:Salviatino Maiano wrote:Two roads and some open areas with minimal retreat options, the first sign that i'm running scout/sniper i get run down by a Gek or Duvolle. retreating back to my team mates to get there help only throws me in with the people their dealing with and running into the open area, well its useless. This socket has made my job no longer a nuisance, which is what it is supposed to be. alright im done. HTFU GETGUD go play COD adapt or die can i have your stuff when you quit? not quitting, if you don't like snipers you go play COD and why dont you have to adapt or die, why is always the sniper adjusting on our end?
i LOVE good snipers, as ive said before
good snipers are an asset and are doing quite well on the new maps.
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Chances Ghost
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Posted - 2013.09.17 12:42:00 -
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Salviatino Maiano wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:
i LOVE good snipers, as ive said before
good snipers are an asset and are doing quite well on the new maps.
Not doing bad on new maps just want to go back to sniping like a sniper......... not like an assault guy with a sniper rifle. i hope i cut that quote right?!?
theres a preview tab you can see your posts with before you post them :P the button right next to post :P
sniper is a weapon... not a suit.
scout sniper = trying to avoid active scanners uses low profile and extra speed to reposition
assault sniper = not hiding will get into direct combat more, but takes a hit, usually running with a squad rather than flanking solo
heavy sniper... LOL
commando sniper = sniper is the secondary
im guessing your a scout sniper...
you keep saying these things like sniping like a sniper. and thats still possable... those new maps have objectives surrounded by HUGE EMPTY FIELDS
you want to be a super long range sniper... stick to those but dont expect them to be the buisyest person around and expect alot of waiting.
yoru right, sniping inside the city isnt ideal, thats the idea. its possable, but not sniper friendly.
your looking for a single method of attack, large open space, huge LOS, and super long range.
a sniper does more than just that. so either stick to that and get very few kills. or learn do to MORE with your sniper rifle and acomplish more
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