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Dust 514 is virtual console game, not RL. Science doesn't work in Dust 514

Snipers are not void of risk, in fact the more you kill the more you risk. Risk never equals reward for a sniper. Tactics, stealth and distance equal reward for a sniper.

Again whats the point of having snipers if we are not using them as they are supposed to be?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!


Get them out of the game then!

Thats risk you fool, the risk your tactics are scuppered, the risk you are detected, the closer you are the greater the risk!!

wait.... your using a sniper in ways its not supposed to be used... becuase you dont want to use it as intended...


then you complain when the new maps dont support your broken playstyle that doesnt help the team.


YOUR the one not using the sniper as its designed....

and the enw maps DID remove that playstyle form the game.


so all your requests were granted... its just that you diddnt expect that YOUR playstyle would be the one to be removed

But not the reward, a long range rifle used at close range...... whats the point? just use assault?!?!?

How exactly is it supposed to be used, maybe I don't understand?

Ok three options:
1. Running and gunning
2. Sniping
3. Driving a vehicle

If your running and gunning with a sniper....... no, this sounds right to you all?

Obviously, because boo hoo if you can't kill a sniper, boo hoo if you get shot in the head after running all the way across the map and boo hoo if you can't figure out where you're getting shot from. So now you got what you want we have to get down there with you. Running and gunning with a sniper rifle makes perfect sense to me. the moment you took away our ability to headshot crying little ground pounders you killed the sniper. They will all but disappear if the maps continue this way

How exactly is it supposed to be used, maybe I don't understand?

Ok, but your squad is inside the compound going for Alpha and Bravo and it seems like the entire enemy team is in there too. you're not coming out accomplishing a lot of anything except dying.

Thats me MCC AFK fatty, tell me how you support your team when they are inside the new compounds?

Thats risk you fool, the risk your tactics are scuppered, the risk you are detected, the closer you are the greater the risk!!

Ok the research facility, you know where b is? In the unloading bay and up the stairs, there is a lovely balcony with lets you see the entrance to the compound, through a window, and halfway down the stairs to the underground, you setup shop, stop them from entering via those points, that way you and a friend can suppress an entire side of the compound!!

Thats me MCC AFK fatty, tell me how you support your team when they are inside the new compounds?

And then shotgun.. or duvolle or whatever your taking 30-40 meter shots with a rifle designed for shots over 200m. whats the point.

Sniping in range of an assault rifle is just plain stupid. I don't care what you guys say. I agree with the OP. The last patch was a complete cornhole to snipers, the maps, the afk timer, everything. As if finding a spot out of range of a much more powerful, higher rate of fire weapon is not hard enough, now you have to "DO SOMETHING" in a certain amount of time too or get logged out of the match.

This is NOT how snipers work in the real world. A sniper in the real world will lay in a pile a trash for 2 days to obtain their objective. There is no one there telling them that they have to "do something" or get sent away. And most of all, a sniper in the real world does not snipe in range of weapons with less range than he has. If you are are going to be within assault rifle range, any CO worth his salt will tell you, MOVE, that is unless you are carrying a suitcase of rifles around the battle field with you.

Within the confines of these new buildings however, you are not only in rifle range, but machine gun range, grenade range, and everything else. And that Nova Knife crap really burns me up. That's some John Wayne BS if I've ever seen it.

"Hey Sarge!! We got us a sniper up on that hill!" (Sarge, putting his nova knife in his teeth) "I'll get him."

GTFOH!

Quote from Wikipedia on Snipers...

"A sniper is a highly trained marksman who operates alone, in a pair, or with a sniper team to maintain close visual contact with the enemy and engage targets from concealed positions or distances exceeding the detection capabilities of enemy personnel."

I don't see anywhere in that statement that I am supposed to be there so that the dumbass that chose to use the Nova Knife could have an easy target, which is exactly what we have been reduced to.

Sniping in range of an assault rifle is just plain stupid. I don't care what you guys say. I agree with the OP. The last patch was a complete cornhole to snipers, the maps, the afk timer, everything. As if finding a spot out of range of a much more powerful, higher rate of fire weapon is not hard enough, now you have to "DO SOMETHING" in a certain amount of time too or get logged out of the match.

This is NOT how snipers work in the real world. A sniper in the real world will lay in a pile a trash for 2 days to obtain their objective. There is no one there telling them that they have to "do something" or get sent away. And most of all, a sniper in the real world does not snipe in range of weapons with less range than he has. If you are are going to be within assault rifle range, any CO worth his salt will tell you, MOVE, that is unless you are carrying a suitcase of rifles around the battle field with you.

Within the confines of these new buildings however, you are not only in rifle range, but machine gun range, grenade range, and everything else. And that Nova Knife crap really burns me up. That's some John Wayne BS if I've ever seen it.

"Hey Sarge!! We got us a sniper up on that hill!" (Sarge, putting his nova knife in his teeth) "I'll get him."

GTFOH!

Quote from Wikipedia on Snipers...

"A sniper is a highly trained marksman who operates alone, in a pair, or with a sniper team to maintain close visual contact with the enemy and engage targets from concealed positions or distances exceeding the detection capabilities of enemy personnel."

I don't see anywhere in that statement that I am supposed to be there so that the dumbass that chose to use the Nova Knife could have an easy target, which is exactly what we have been reduced to.

Because in real life there is a hell of alot more open ground, snipers kill in one shot, and hell we don't have a radar to tell people are trying to sneak around.

I run a std suit with a std sniper rifle, with remote explosives from time to time. It works fine for me! I didn't say assault rifle range did I? If you are dying to an assault rifle at 80m you are doing something wrong!! As for being an easy target for nova knives, its only if you let him see you!!

Why can't people use paragraphs? My eye's!!!

At least he wasn't misusing apostrophes.

eyes = more than one eye.
eye's = of the (single) eye.

My eyes! = an exclamation about how your eyes are hurting from trying to read the horrible unformatted wall of text (OP, you know you can edit in formatting, right?)
My eye's! = incomplete sentence in great need of more words. Your eye's what, exactly? And what about the object/abstract noun that belongs to your eye. And do you only have one eye, or does only one of your eyes have this unspecified something you forgot to tell us about?

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Back on-topic though...

Sorry, OP, but I've seen plenty of competent snipers who have adapted to the new maps and sockets and found ways to make it work FOR them instead of AGAINST them. There's a bit of a learning curve any time the maps change, but a good sniper can still be a game-changer once they understand how to play to their strengths on the new maps. You can't directly control the objective itself in some spaces, but you can block every major route into the objective, and that's just as good if you do it right.

The big problem with the update ISN'T the maps - it's the problematic and horrifically badly-implemented AFK timer. You can sit above an objective, WELL into the middle of the battlefield, sat in place and ready to fight, but because you're not doing anything but aiming and turning, the game will say "nope, AFK" and kick you from the battle when you're an active participant, but it WON'T kick someone out when they've got themselves wedged into a corner then rubber-banded their analog sticks together, or aimed for a corner and taped/rubber-banded their left stick so they keep trying to walk through the wall. Penalising a perfectly legitimate playstyle and NOT punishing moderately-inventive players who choose to AFK is just ridiculous.

Some high ground outside of the compounds would be nice, so i can see what myself or my squad are running into or maybe cutting us a way in or holding the enemy back with a few well timed shots. but running into high enemy traffic areas. knowing you're going to have close engagements, idiotic. Yes plenty are adapting but soon enough when the new "nests" are known there will be more like me.

Some high ground outside of the compounds would be nice, so i can see what myself or my squad are running into or maybe cutting us a way in or holding the enemy back with a few well timed shots. but running into high enemy traffic areas. knowing you're going to have close engagements, idiotic. Yes plenty are adapting but soon enough when the new "nests" are known there will be more like me.

I've seen some very novel locations for snipers already.

More good high points that aren't either:
a) in the redzone
b) on an objective

This is DEFINITELY something I'd like to see for snipers (and I'm a Shotgun Scout). There are some good spots, and some even better counter-sniping spots for a lot of them, and there are some surprisingly useful positions a careful sniper can find without having to resort to redline sniping, but the game could definitely do with some less obvious out-of-the-way sniper perches. They don't need to exist on every map, but a few maps with such things would be nice.