this guy sounds like he doesnt want to even be a sniper. he wants to be an MCC afker with kills...


you dont actually have to engage in close quarters unless someone finds you. you have to be smart though and know where the battlelines will be drawn ahead of time and camp out and wait for the enamy to cross line of fire while they engage your forces.

if someone spots you, RUN AWAY. reset and find the next spot.

this guy just wants good vantage points in the redzone, something the devs specifically designed to prevent.(for the most part)

the only good those vantage points left in the red zone are going to be is for when your redlined.



learn to actually step outside of the red and help your team.

This guy just wants to be a sniper, not an assault rifle or laser rifle or swarm launcher or shotgun or mass driver or plasma cannon or scrambler rifle.

I do step out of the red and help my team, I just don't get as close as they do and i take my shots from far away. can't do that anymore, have to be closer now. quit bashing me and address this as a problem. if you're here to judge me as a player open a new thread and we can talk there.

This guy just wants to be a sniper, not an assault rifle or laser rifle or swarm launcher or shotgun or mass driver or plasma cannon or scrambler rifle.

I do step out of the red and help my team, I just don't get as close as they do and i take my shots from far away. can't do that anymore, have to be closer now. quit bashing me and address this as a problem. if you're here to judge me as a player open a new thread and we can talk there.

Sniper fits leave you no more exposed than AV/ swarm fits. If your complaint is based on running logi suits to snipe, instead of a sidearm, then you are using your equipment in a way other than what was intended. No fix necessary.

That being said, sniper rifles should have some sort of crosshair without going ADS. This is one factor that keeps snipers in the redline. Or get mobile with a spotter/ guardian. Teamwork is critical for all roles, and snipers should not feel like they are not part of a team.

Thats what they are doing, the better the view, the more exposed you have to be to take the shot, if you have a limited view its more protected, but less useful!!

Sniper fits leave you no more exposed than AV/ swarm fits. If your complaint is based on running logi suits to snipe, instead of a sidearm, then you are using your equipment in a way other than what was intended. No fix necessary.

That being said, sniper rifles should have some sort of crosshair without going ADS. This is one factor that keeps snipers in the redline. Or get mobile with a spotter/ guardian. Teamwork is critical for all roles, and snipers should not feel like they are not part of a team.

The fact is you don't get anything for "recon" except the title of AFKer so your only role as a sniper is to deny safe area's to the enemy with the equipment we get, the role of our primary weapon is almost obsolete in doing this.

the problems your facing are problems you yourself have to learn to solve. its what seperates good snipers from people with a sniper rifle equipped.

you have to be able to read a battle and know the maps.

the issues your bringing up are a matter of playstyle not game mechanics.

adjust your playstyle, learn, and grow as a player. these problems of yours cant be fixed by anyone but yourself.

My problem is that i am no longer part of the team i can't cover or provide overwatch anymore. i am being told i have to "kepp moving" find new nest, if i get shot at run, set up somewhere else. sounds like i should just get an assault rifle and go in doing all that, no?

you have a supercharged tac rifle.


use it like a supercharged tac rifle....

its not rocket science

I thought it was a matter of terrain if you don't have good sniping terrain you don't have good snipers.

So what do you expect, to just sit there, undetectable, unbeatable while droves of enemy units wander into your sights?

I'm not talking about exposure.

I want good open, EXPOSED locations that are still exposed, but are further out from the main routes or the objectives.

At the moment, you have to be on an objective, or on a direct line between them, to get a decent vantage point as a sniper. There are VERY few spots that are viable for sniping that aren't directly in the path of enemies, and they're all in the redlines. Snipers need positions where they can head AWAY from the objectives to set up camp.

But like I said, this doesn't need to be available everywhere - it just needs to be an option on some maps.

Its a sniper rifle, and its that thinking that has me wondering why there are sniper in the first place. If you don't like what a sniper gets to do then get rid of them don't give it to them then slowly take it away.

Terrain is only one, relatively minor, factor in being a good sniper.

You CAN be a good sniper in a bad sniping map. You need to be patient, cautious, and willing to reposition when you've been spotted.

My bad I misunderstood you, I thought there were opportunities like this on the new maps, fractured road I will admit the main theater isnt exactly a snipers paradise, however there are points like on the bridge where a sniper can shine!!

*facepalm*

you have an ENTIRE thread worth of people telling you snipers are doing just fine.

its just that you dont know how to play one.

ANYWHERE can become a viable sniper perch - you just need to be there at the right time.

Although I don't like for ppl to do so, I find it hard not to compare this to CoD every now and then.

In this case it's the way the community feels as opposed to the game play.

In CoD the idea of running around WITH the team was deemed unrealistic as you where forced into mid and short range engagements and were still able to handle yourself. It was even possible to get more kills "Quick Scoping" than using any other weapon (In MW3 I got 25 kills straight during a random game of team deathmatch). Although it took some practice, by comparison it is MUCH easier to quick scope in CoD than in DUST and yet in CoD the community insists on telling the sniper to back the 'F' up.

In DUST it is much harder to "Quick Scope" and therefore not recommended to be with the squad. There is even a sniper rifle that has an enhanced scope to further the idea of long range warfare. And yet the community insists on the sniper getting closer to the action. This isn't to say it is impossible to mid-range snipe as I find it to be quite fun. The fact that CCP made it harder to snipe by forcing you to be more "In the fray" is a contradiction to the weapon's original design. Now if they would reduce the scope range or add a mid range sniper rifle (don't say TAC or ScR) than dedicated snipers that can't seem to get the hang of mid range sniping would have an easier time making the adjustment.

That's just what was running through the ol' noggin and I decided to type it out. I'm sure you guys may disagree with me but then again you are free to have your own opinions on the subject.

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`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST.

At least he wasn't misusing apostrophes.

eyes = more than one eye.
eye's = of the (single) eye.

My eyes! = an exclamation about how your eyes are hurting from trying to read the horrible unformatted wall of text (OP, you know you can edit in formatting, right?)
My eye's! = incomplete sentence in great need of more words. Your eye's what, exactly? And what about the object/abstract noun that belongs to your eye. And do you only have one eye, or does only one of your eyes have this unspecified something you forgot to tell us about?

THIS a million times this

sniping is about reading the battlefield more then it is about finding that one broken position you can camp in

Across all the maps currently happening, with the varied socket layouts I've seen, there have only been 2 snipers I've found who were in good positions OUTSIDE the redline without being directly on a main route that other players use. If there are more than a couple of positions like this on a few maps, that's all I think is needed.

I don't generally snipe myself, so I rely on my girlfriend and my victims to show me where the good sniper nests are.

One thing I have learned from watching my girlfriend is that when the battle lines are right, ANYWHERE can become a viable sniper perch - you just need to be there at the right time.

Actually i think being a sniper is about finding A broken position you can camp in so long as it helps the team, when its no longer advantageous you move along. That being said if you don't need to move to continue helping your team AS A SNIPER then you don't need to move. If your no longer helping, you need to move and find the next whole in the enemies defense and set up there. The combat inside those compounds/sockets is to fast paced most of the time. I have fought inside of them as a sniper and i have been successful there. It's not impossible and i have done it, but, that is not what a sniper should do. We get this whole map to work with and then we're reduced to work within 1/10th of it.

Actually i think being a sniper is about finding A broken position you can camp in so long as it helps the team, when its no longer advantageous you move along. That being said if you don't need to move to continue helping your team AS A SNIPER then you don't need to move. If your no longer helping, you need to move and find the next whole in the enemies defense and set up there. The combat inside those compounds/sockets is to fast paced most of the time. I have fought inside of them as a sniper and i have been successful there. It's not impossible and i have done it, but, that is not what a sniper should do. We get this whole map to work with and then we're reduced to work within 1/10th of it.

If you're expecting to stay still all game, I'm sorry, but you're NOT a good sniper.

Snipers are, by definition, a reactive role in gaming. You position yourself NOT based on "this is a perfect position" but based on "this is the right place to be RIGHT NOW" and be ready to move when the situation changes, or when you're spotted.