they just arnt built so that the only counter is another sniper.

before you could just sit up on an unreachable tower and be invulnerable to everything but other snipers.

now you actually have to think about where you are and move with the battle.



think of it as taking the training wheels off.

If only i could deploy a box to stand on...

Its put the risk into sniping, you can still go into the compound you know, the multi level design has some real nice spots for a sniper, the only difference is can't sit around too long.

A good example actually is XCOM enemy unknown, you get a stativ sniper who potshots from other side of the map, no risk deadly effecient, easy peasy!! However there was also a snapshot sniper who moves with the team, you could move and shoot on the same turn, very useful, but often overlooked because of the risk!!

k think CCP want you to be a snapshot, constantly moving defending your spot, helping your team! Besides there are still open space and chokepoints at the entrance you can harass! ,

To the contrary you seem to be the only one not understanding this, risk = reward, sniping from nest = ~0 risk, therefore ~0 reward. You need to be prepared to put your neck on the line to get the best results!! That example on xcom the squadsight sniper, they are nerfing him, on a 1 player game!!

If you don't think there should be a risk, don't leave the mcc!

There is your problem, why should snipers be devoid of risk?
Please watch the video, it even shows sniping, as they intend it, and tell you, you dont have to be the same!

Dust 514 is virtual console game, not RL. Science doesn't work in Dust 514

Thats risk you fool, the risk your tactics are scuppered, the risk you are detected, the closer you are the greater the risk!!

wait.... your using a sniper in ways its not supposed to be used... becuase you dont want to use it as intended...


then you complain when the new maps dont support your broken playstyle that doesnt help the team.


YOUR the one not using the sniper as its designed....

and the enw maps DID remove that playstyle form the game.


so all your requests were granted... its just that you diddnt expect that YOUR playstyle would be the one to be removed

Ok three options:
1. Running and gunning
2. Sniping
3. Driving a vehicle

If your running and gunning with a sniper....... no, this sounds right to you all?

Obviously, because boo hoo if you can't kill a sniper, boo hoo if you get shot in the head after running all the way across the map and boo hoo if you can't figure out where you're getting shot from. So now you got what you want we have to get down there with you. Running and gunning with a sniper rifle makes perfect sense to me. the moment you took away our ability to headshot crying little ground pounders you killed the sniper. They will all but disappear if the maps continue this way

Ok the research facility, you know where b is? In the unloading bay and up the stairs, there is a lovely balcony with lets you see the entrance to the compound, through a window, and halfway down the stairs to the underground, you setup shop, stop them from entering via those points, that way you and a friend can suppress an entire side of the compound!!

Because in real life there is a hell of alot more open ground, snipers kill in one shot, and hell we don't have a radar to tell people are trying to sneak around.

I run a std suit with a std sniper rifle, with remote explosives from time to time. It works fine for me! I didn't say assault rifle range did I? If you are dying to an assault rifle at 80m you are doing something wrong!! As for being an easy target for nova knives, its only if you let him see you!!

At least he wasn't misusing apostrophes.

eyes = more than one eye.
eye's = of the (single) eye.

My eyes! = an exclamation about how your eyes are hurting from trying to read the horrible unformatted wall of text (OP, you know you can edit in formatting, right?)
My eye's! = incomplete sentence in great need of more words. Your eye's what, exactly? And what about the object/abstract noun that belongs to your eye. And do you only have one eye, or does only one of your eyes have this unspecified something you forgot to tell us about?

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Back on-topic though...

Sorry, OP, but I've seen plenty of competent snipers who have adapted to the new maps and sockets and found ways to make it work FOR them instead of AGAINST them. There's a bit of a learning curve any time the maps change, but a good sniper can still be a game-changer once they understand how to play to their strengths on the new maps. You can't directly control the objective itself in some spaces, but you can block every major route into the objective, and that's just as good if you do it right.

The big problem with the update ISN'T the maps - it's the problematic and horrifically badly-implemented AFK timer. You can sit above an objective, WELL into the middle of the battlefield, sat in place and ready to fight, but because you're not doing anything but aiming and turning, the game will say "nope, AFK" and kick you from the battle when you're an active participant, but it WON'T kick someone out when they've got themselves wedged into a corner then rubber-banded their analog sticks together, or aimed for a corner and taped/rubber-banded their left stick so they keep trying to walk through the wall. Penalising a perfectly legitimate playstyle and NOT punishing moderately-inventive players who choose to AFK is just ridiculous.

this guy sounds like he doesnt want to even be a sniper. he wants to be an MCC afker with kills...


you dont actually have to engage in close quarters unless someone finds you. you have to be smart though and know where the battlelines will be drawn ahead of time and camp out and wait for the enamy to cross line of fire while they engage your forces.

if someone spots you, RUN AWAY. reset and find the next spot.

this guy just wants good vantage points in the redzone, something the devs specifically designed to prevent.(for the most part)

the only good those vantage points left in the red zone are going to be is for when your redlined.



learn to actually step outside of the red and help your team.

Sniper fits leave you no more exposed than AV/ swarm fits. If your complaint is based on running logi suits to snipe, instead of a sidearm, then you are using your equipment in a way other than what was intended. No fix necessary.

That being said, sniper rifles should have some sort of crosshair without going ADS. This is one factor that keeps snipers in the redline. Or get mobile with a spotter/ guardian. Teamwork is critical for all roles, and snipers should not feel like they are not part of a team.

the problems your facing are problems you yourself have to learn to solve. its what seperates good snipers from people with a sniper rifle equipped.

you have to be able to read a battle and know the maps.

the issues your bringing up are a matter of playstyle not game mechanics.

adjust your playstyle, learn, and grow as a player. these problems of yours cant be fixed by anyone but yourself.

you have a supercharged tac rifle.


use it like a supercharged tac rifle....

its not rocket science

So what do you expect, to just sit there, undetectable, unbeatable while droves of enemy units wander into your sights?

Terrain is only one, relatively minor, factor in being a good sniper.

You CAN be a good sniper in a bad sniping map. You need to be patient, cautious, and willing to reposition when you've been spotted.

*facepalm*

you have an ENTIRE thread worth of people telling you snipers are doing just fine.

its just that you dont know how to play one.

THIS a million times this

sniping is about reading the battlefield more then it is about finding that one broken position you can camp in

If you're expecting to stay still all game, I'm sorry, but you're NOT a good sniper.

Snipers are, by definition, a reactive role in gaming. You position yourself NOT based on "this is a perfect position" but based on "this is the right place to be RIGHT NOW" and be ready to move when the situation changes, or when you're spotted.

ahh thats the problem.

snipers arnt supposed to be able to find a broken position in a game.

thats what balance is.

Dude if the majority of null cannons are in 1/10th of the map you will more than likely be expected to contribute to the battle in that 1/10th there are only 16 people a side, that enough fro 2 squads and 4 left over, there aren't gonna be hundreds of battles to choose from!

Sums it up.

Do you know what I do to snipers who do that? Introduce them to my shotgun!! Multiple times, you see we can deal with being sniped, if the sniper is taking a risk to do it, he's taken a risk he got a reward, I took a risk jg didn't pay off, if you expect to sit on hill sniping people from where you can't be hit, well guess what that time is over, and my shorgun is waiting at your redline!

Or you join in, and make a difference instead of bumming around look for easy risk-less kills!!

LOL, this guy.... hes funny

i called it, he wants to sit on a tower invulnerable to everything and call it "tactics"

Pretty sure I never said that.

If you're going to cut quotes down, please do it right.

First it Monkey not Garrett!!
Secondly if you have no problem with me putting a shotgun in your face in feild, why have you got such a problem to me doing it in a compound where you have more chances to hide, more opportunities for traps, and more opportunities to kill more people!!

Yes I have been reading it all, the one I was responding to was complaing that because the majority of the match is going on in a small section you have nothing to do, so get of your behind go in there and change the battle!! If there is nothing to do move to somewhere where there is something todo!!

This is what we think, notice how hes a little closer than 100m, in a flanking posistion, taking care of the enemy, to help his team advance!!

http://dust514.com/media/videos/fight-your-own-war/

They haven't taken away the primary role. It's actually made more viable in DUST than most shooters, which make snipers into killing machines isntead of a tactical resource. Adding the ability to see who the squad leaders are in 1.5 has made snipers even more effective, because you can preferentially target them and eliminate the guy about to drop an orbital.

you CAN

thats what were telling you.

everything you think is wrong... isnt actually a problem for anyone but you.

Let me say it other way... this is SCI-FI mmo fps (rpg), NOT RL SNIPING SIMULATOR. This works for you?

There are no sockets which invalidate sniping across the entire map just by their presence in one location on the map.

There are a few which make sniping more difficult and a less reliable option around that one area of the map, but even then, it's never totally invalidated, it just takes a slight change in approach when you're fighting in that particular area.

Garrett could you do me a favour im on tablet atnthe moment could copy in the grid layout of the new research facility large socket?? Thanks

the ledge objective is open season for snipers and to be sniped from.

you can position to snipe down into the power core from well outside it.

the roads are huge choke points, you can snipe assaulters trying to get into the power core.

the edges of the facility have LOADS of hidden little places that overlook the many defencive and offenceive chokepoints and are RIPE for sniping.

Sorry not what I meant go to
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107073&find=unread
and take the image paste in so we can see it!!

Sorry not what I meant go to
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107073&find=unread
and take the image paste in so we can see it!!

alright im done.


HTFU GETGUD go play COD

adapt or die



can i have your stuff when you quit?

Damn, ok this is gonna be a bit of a pain!!

F3 is nice spot
I3 is a lovely spot to force enemies into killzones
M4 works well at keeping them out

Thesd are just a few places!!

i LOVE good snipers, as ive said before

good snipers are an asset and are doing quite well on the new maps.

Why do heavies have to adapt with every new build that changes how the HMG/Forge and Heavy/Sentinel suits work?
Why do Scouts have to adapt every time our role changes?
Why do Logis have to adapt every time their role bonuses are changed?

EVERYONE has their role changed to some degree in a variety of updates as time goes on. EVERYONE has to adapt when their role changes. It's not just snipers.