Care to elaborate a little on that?

I mean its not Like i care if Tanks end up doing 5000 damage, i mean they are tanks.but you need to understand FGns need the damage they have in other to be able to take out these tanks...

You are wrong because you do not need to "take out" a tank to accomplish your job as AV. As long as you keep us out of the fight you are doing your job. The fact that a Dropsuit can solo a tank and actually take it out is where the imbalance truly lies. Tactics should always reign supreme but when a single infantry dressed in a 100k Dropsuit can chuck 3 nades and follow that up with a volley or two from their choice of primary AV weapon to destroy a 2.8 million ISK tank with a 13 million SP driver tactics are pretty much useless.

To the OP's point this situation is exacerbated by the render issues among other things. But the main problem is that it should take a team to kill a tank and a tank should always fall to a well coordinated and equipped team. But as long as tanks can be solo'd by those who invest less in terms of both SP and ISK an insurmountable imbalance will remain. I am not saying AV is "over powered" because it's not necessarily AV damage that is the problem: it is the risk vs reward. Right now for AV there is barely any risk and the reward is limited only by the amount of vehicles on the field. For tanks the risks are too numerous to list and any rewards can really only be achieved when AV is not present. Remember: if a tank goes 30-1 this is not a successful outng as they still lost in the long run. They will have to play anywhere from 2-10 games without any losses to recoup the losses from that one death.

i've put in bold that part because i wholeheartedly agree. just the presence of an AV should scare a tank, and moving the tank should give your team the advantage on that particular patch of the map.

Im an AV (part time Forge Gun) user, and i support that sentiment. deterring the tank so you have map supremacy should be the primary objective, killing it should be the icing on the cake, IMHO. (which is why i stated in earlier posts that the smart drivers tend to run when thy are outgunned, thus saving the tank)

Well forge gunners are for tanks what snipers are for infantry, its exactly the same out of nowhere insta death, only thing is we lose 100-200k isk and tanks 2 mil, thAts something ccp needs to change, lower the prive on tanks A LOT, or make them Stronger so they survive more shots.

Okay, I am going to be upfront as possible. I use Lai Dai's and I WILL come after tanks if I see one on the map. That being said, I CANNOT solo a tanker if he keeps moving. Let me say that again. I CANNOT EVER kill a tanker if he consistently moves around the map.

With that being said, you cannot say that my Lai Dai's are OP. You cannot complain about people chucking Lai Dai's from a higher point and dying. My question to you is this:
Why are you in the middle of the map with a tank? Do you see me running my dropsuit in the middle of 16 guys and expect me to survive? No!

If I was to see a shotgunner in the distance and see him hide behind the crate...do you think that I will attack him by going right up against the crate and turning the corner? NO! You wanna know why? Because I will get blasted in the face and die in one shot.

Its called tactics...use them! A smart person would always keep their distance from shotgunners and always keep an eye on them instead of closing the distance. The same goes for those tankers who charge at infantry. Granted I will give you that you can't tell if they have AV or not. BUT...if I was a tanker, I would assume that all dropsuits have AV weapons. I have no sympathy for tankers who charge at dropsuits. I have no sympathy for stupidity. I do not care if you get 4 kills in a tank while you are at a safe distance because that is being a SMART tanker. I cannot kill you with my Lai Dai's if you are at a safe distance.

The problem is that these tankers want to live the life that was back in chrome. They want to go around a small circle ambush match and get 20+ kills every match without losing a tank.

The price of your tank equals your k/d. I don't hear you complaining about your k/d ratio on here. Everything is about ISK. But its perfectly okay to go around and go 20-0 on a battlefield but then complain that you lost a 3 mil tank and went 14-1. I mean cut me a break. Go respec and join us on the battlefield in a dropsuit. The next thing we will hear from tankers is that their k/d is too low and that their character ALONE needs to be buffed to get that high k/d that they got in a tank.

If you are a tanker...I applaud you. But just don't be stupid and you won't lose a tank. Period.

As long as AV can get on top of buildings and shoot all the way to the ground there will be no balance. Why stand on the ground and fight a tank when you can just go to the top of a building and spam av from nano hives from that one spot until you blow up said tank. This is why I really am hoping that I get a respec. No matter how you do av vs. tanks av will always win because they have the option of gettin higher ground which, 1 the game doesnt render what is on top of building from inside tank, 2 i couldnt shoot that far if i wanted to.. 3 can i have a respec? i honestly would love nothing more than to spec out of vehicles i have lost more money than tanks are worth no doubt

this comment CCP is from one of the best tankers in this game since beta . hit ur archive tab an just search his name
he has countless threads about tanks.

I suggest you take an experts opinion into consideration.

this comment CCP is from one of the best tankers in this game since beta . hit ur archive tab an just search his name
he has countless threads about tanks.

I suggest you take an experts opinion into consideration.

While I don't run tanks (anymore) I can honestly say they are catching the shaft on the AV/HAV conflict you don't need to be a tanker or an av user to know when something is too powerfull AV granades for example are FAR over the line considering what they are : an extremely powerful contact grenade that locks onto it's target. Could you imagine if we had an anti infantry granade that did that? The forums would explode and you know why: because it's BS, anyone who thinks something like that is balanced is wrong in the head period that's not a tactical advantage or a balancing mechanic it's insanity.

we did have that once... the forums blew up with QQing from the infantry, as a result, they got removed.... but that only happened because the infantry complained about it, if anything else complains about something, that thing gets buffed

Yeah I know but if I start talking about stuff from 'back then' the new guys tune me out lol

........nah......

we did have that once... the forums blew up with QQing from the infantry, as a result, they got removed.... but that only happened because the infantry complained about it, if anything else complains about something, that thing gets buffed

While I don't run tanks (anymore) I can honestly say they are catching the shaft on the AV/HAV conflict you don't need to be a tanker or an av user to know when something is too powerfull AV granades for example are FAR over the line considering what they are : an extremely powerful contact grenade that locks onto it's target. Could you imagine if we had an anti infantry granade that did that? The forums would explode and you know why: because it's BS, anyone who thinks something like that is balanced is wrong in the head period that's not a tactical advantage or a balancing mechanic it's insanity.

it dont matter if its a building that is so high i cant see what is up there or if its just a structure like the bridge map where a is between d and e and they both have that little structure... AV is going to get on top of buildings no matter what... im over vehicles not performing to the degree of the cost.... i just want to spec out of them once and for all

I just wanted to quote this so it was posted twice.

Actually it is balanced. There are trade offs. That vehicle can be fit with modules to increase survivabilty, and sp invest can increase hit points. When infantry goes against a vehicle LAV or what ever we fit AV grenades that can only be used against vehicels. That AV grenade can only lock onto its target if its within a certain range. A range close enough for you to run us over, unless we are on high ground. If a LAV or LLAV goes boom and you are aware enough to exit we have to defend ourselves. That Vehicle is actually like having another merc on the field.

we did have that once... the forums blew up with QQing from the infantry, as a result, they got removed.... but that only happened because the infantry complained about it, if anything else complains about something, that thing gets buffed

this comment CCP is from one of the best tankers in this game since beta . hit ur archive tab an just search his name
he has countless threads about tanks.

I suggest you take an experts opinion into consideration.

So because you are "one of the best tankers" according to someone in STB you should have a say above everyone else? Kinda like all of the Exmaplecore posts on here should also be so high and mighty above everyone else as well. Some complaints given by him are about how Lai Dai's are too strong.
Do you mean the exact same Lai Dai's that I threw at his shield rail tank that brought him to half shields? Oh by the way...I threw 6 Lai Dai's at him. Yeah....6!

Why don't you just list every possible weapon in this game that can kill a tank and ask for it to be removed from the game. Seriously....
See my above posts for all the stupidity that I see when I kill tanks.

Did I end up killing Exmaplecore in my example? No...because he is a good tanker in this game. But it is down right hilarious to read posts by "good" tankers complaining about the only thing that can actually kill them. If you are a "good" tanker, then you should receive more isk in your tank than you actually lose it. If you run out of isk, then use militia gear like the rest of the people in this game.
But wait...that would mean that you would have to be in militia gear!!! OMG!! Your poor k/d. Wait wait wait....is that the true reason about all of this? You can get more isk by spawning free dropsuits which clears up the isk problem...but your 10.0 k/d would be ruined!!
Nerf all AV WEAPONS! Give me a break...

He is not "one of the best" HE IS THE BEST! And that "someone in STB" guy...is THE CEO.

I run proto Minmatar Logi with a GEK and Lai Dai's

And please, go post that video of you with all of your STB buddies while I run SOLO
How many tanks do you guys call in a match? The most that I have ever seen is five. Do you know what they said before the match even started.
"Nobody spawn in any vehicles so that we can spawn in five tanks"
The outcome of that skirmish match:

We LOST with five tanks on the field. FIVE. What did they do? Pad their K/D ratio like all of you bums. Go get your respec and skill out of your tank so that we can finally stop hearing you guys whine and so that I can blast your face.

I also love how you say that you run me over and over again like its 10 times...and then say you did it twice. LOL