So you're complaining that a dedicated AV fit designed to kill vehicles are good at killing vehicles?

That's hilarious.

i dont think you read the post... av on top of towers that i cant shoot at... how is that balanced? its kind of one sided right?

it never fails when you put a little intelligence into something that someone dumb comes in and is like dur dur dur

In that sense it is balanced, the AV runner took the tactical initiative, and you didnt get outta dodge fast enough and fed him a HAV.

there is no indicator to even tell me he went up there.... i cant see him up there cause the rendering is off.... im just gettin hit markers on me and losing hp and its not balanced at all.... av can just shoot to far thats point blank

They are still pretty expensive considering heavies are SLOWER than tanks and DONT PACK 8000+ EHP, and we die a lot more in almost every single game.....

That's the point. AV is supposed to be one sided. They are anti-vehicle, so they're supposed to be really good at killing vehicles.

If everything in this game resulted in a balanced fight, then a scout would be just as good against a tank as an AV fit.

The downside of AV is that they suck against other infantry. Yes, they are pretty good at ******* up your tank, but that's the entire point.

Then IDK, do something proactive about it. Recall your vehicle while the enemy is switching to AV. Get a squad to back you up and protect you. Don't go out in the open where there are high places, or don't call in a vehicle on Line Harvest at all.

Heavies are overall cheaper with MORE firepower.

lurch man lets squad up get on dust damn it

Wrong, and LAV no. An LLAV maybe depending upon the player driving the vehicles skill point investment. The main factor in whether a vehicle is easy or hard to kill. Something everyone seems to forget when they QQ.

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LOL similar firepower

3000 =/= 2000''

Bro our weapons are made to take out TANKS.
Your weapons are used to kill 400-1100 EHP infantry and in rare occasions OTHER tanks, which both having the same DPS makes the Tanks Vs Tank Fight balanced....

OR am i wrong..?

Care to elaborate a little on that?

I mean its not Like i care if Tanks end up doing 5000 damage, i mean they are tanks.but you need to understand FGns need the damage they have in other to be able to take out these tanks...

Isnt the counter to that HAV want to be invincible and only damaged by other HAV? Dont hate on things because you cant deal with it, dont be so biased if your not prepared to look at everything on a equitable basis.

i made a topic and it went from my topic to av being overpowered which was never stated in original topic... how am i biased?

this community is so ignorant

I was thinking that when I noticed you contributed absolutely nothing to this thread.

I took out one of your tanks last night in ambush (on an alt).

I didn't do it alone though, there was at least one other forge gunner taking shots at you as well.

Was I on a building? Yes. Was that a cheap move? No. But why?

Any suit, even a heavy, stands no chance against a tank with 2-3 gunners (heck even one gunner in a blaster can take out any suit in the blink of an eye). So if you expect somebody to perform a Tiananmen Square move against you because that is more "fair", think again. Anything I can do to make it harder for you to find and kill me, the better.

Plus if I am on a building and out of sight, I am a lot less vulnerable to all the infantry roaming the grounds below with AR's that can insta-kill me.

One thing you don't realize, if we are high up, it actually makes it easier for you to get in cover. All you had to do last night to save your tank and it's gunners, was to back up a good 10 feet to get underneath the lip of the building, and I wouldn't have been able to make any shots. But like most tankers out there, you expect to be invincible so you go rushing out into the open, even after being hit with several forge shots a few seconds prior.


And BTW, stay out of bush with your tanks, it's players like you that ruin that mode and make players hate tankers even more. Stay in skirmish where tanks and the majority of vehicles belong. Otherwise you're just going to keep pissing people off by using an OP crutch (yes, in ambush tanks are very OP) and the overpowering ring of "nerf tanks" will resonate louder than you guys saying "buff tanks".

I hear you, snipers are pretty much the identical to AV at a distance for tankers, I would imagine. Getting hit from some unknown direction and having a large chunk of health instantly taken away, and 100% unable to fight back. Popping out of cover only to be hit again, forcing us to be dormant or try to find another spot.

You get CCP to do something about these snipers vs us distance AVer's and I may sympathize with your situation. Until then, we have our problems with invisible snipers from unknown locations distance plunking us, and you have you're issues with invisible AV distance plunking you. Guess that makes us even.

People can counter AV too, and it happens all the time when I am a heavy forge gunner. Most of the time it isn't the tank or vehicle that counters me, it's the other infantry who are close-by. Same goes for a sniper vs a forge gunner. Snipers are often too far out for me to hit (or see), and if that sniper is specifically hunting me, there is no way in hell I could line up a long distance shot (if the sniper is in range) before he puts 4-5 rounds into my head. And if I have swarms? 100% vulnerable to a sniper.

Not to mention 99% of the time I have absolutely no idea where the sniper even is. HUD hit detection markers are pretty much useless when it comes to snipers. I just see a crap ton of health drop and hope I run away in the right direction to get out of his line-of-sight.

Snipers to a forge gunner is the same as forge gunners to a tanker, in almost every aspect.

I can count on one hand how many times I have tower forged, it's pretty great but pretty rare somebody has an uplink there or I get a ride.

But are you trying to say being on the tower somehow makes players impervious to sniper fire? They can easily reach that height, and even if they can't kill the heavy up there, the heavy has little chance of doing anything productive if he is being camped by a sniper and gets popped every time he sticks his head out.

Yeah, the only match I saw you bring in a tank was that one (and heck, maybe you were just riding along in it I dunno, although I swore that your name popped up first on the kill-feed).

But any tank in bush, unless it's another tank to counter a tank the enemy team brought in, is destroying that mode. So I am glad you don't make a habit of it.


But yeah, I sort of feel the same way with my Calogi suit that got over-nerfed. Heck, I haven't played this account for a month or longer (I AFK it) just because the suit to me is crap now (plus I got bored of the AR). Which is why I play an alt so I can try other things and get an idea of what I want to spend the 2+ million SP I have been building up on my main, cause I know CCP isn't going to give me a respec. So I just have to save up until I can afford something else.

So I'm with you on the respec.

you should read thru this as i even say tanks shouldnt be on them either.... read before you make yourself look like a ass hat like you just did

Oh lol, so Mobile Infantry should not get ontop of rooftops, where do you want them then? Lined up unable to move when the game starts against a wall?

Makes sense...

It should be

Tanks >Kill> Infantry >Kill> AV Infantry >Kill> Tanks

are you really arguing the fact that people can go up to buildings and shoot down AV at vehicles? Seems you want everyone to rush your tank with their forges and swarms. When I see a lot of AV's on top of buildings shooting at my tank, I simply go to their blind spot, or have my squad mates shoo them off their pillar of power.

I dunno. every 1 always crying bout tankers and av. asking for respects coz they cant own with there tank anymore. bitching bout turrets and how they need to be destroyed otherwise they hurt ur precious tank.. but when they redline sniping, or spawn point raping or on rooftops shooting down on everything then its ok.

The reason ppl bring out av is coz others bring out vehicles. it will never stop. Why should ground forces NOT bring av when pusy tankers are spawn point raping?? and then when they die they go ***** that av is over powered. Well try shooting a real tank with 5 rockets at the same time i think it will burn up pretty fast. Av for tankers is just as annoying as tankers are for others.

So deal about it or skill for something else instead of crying for a respect so u can get something else FOTM OP.

+1 for av

Lurch! Quick Question sensei, just wondering if I can pick your brain for a moment. I saw that video you did with Lowratehitman, and I was just wondering. Without being specific about your fit or anything, is it still possible with the current PG restrictions to field a madrugar with three armor hardeners and a rep?

FYI, I've seen plenty of tanks on top of buildings and high rooftops, pounding infantry. Especially rail tanks. And if you have a rail tank on a building, there're no getting them off short of an Orbital Strike(and that might not even work).

It works both ways, noob. Tankers are just as guilty of rooftop abuse as AV.

Ted and Lurch must have a hard time with every infantry man invisible firing invisible weapons. Poor ted even unable to comprehend the limitations of his main turrets elevation as he sits at the base of a tower wondering why hes getting shat on.

Easily the most dumb **** idiots ive ever seen on this forum, and thats saying a lot. Really, they need more mods on this forum its hard and annoying to get good indepth discussions of balance with my comrades sitting on the other side of the fence when you got trolls like these 2 dipshits.

Ha! Sweet! That's all I needed to know. I'm a weasel tanker, all I care about is surviving.

stupid, but it happens! and its effective, usually those guys lose only one fit, if at all any.

should have got his ass away from the edge of the building then. if one see themselves getting shot........ move to where you are not. on top of a building that is a simple as reversing to where you are out of the line of sight of the the AV.

Figured out how to get three hardeners for my fit, I just had to drop from 180 plates to 120. Yowzers, that damage reduction was good times. I just killed two gunlogis and a silica. Couldn't believe they kept coming at me. I definitely see now why Vehicle vs. vehicle is so much fun. I could have lasted that entire match, if I wasn't a dumb ass and didn't try to go after the Swarm launcher that took me down.

and really, what tank driver doesn't see that they are getting hit by an AV? they may not be able to pinpoint where its coming from, but they usually know they are taking damage. the smart ones get ghost until they can identify the threat, and either avoid/crush the culprit.

i'll tell you, even with my Adv Forge, i usually only kill the slow/stupid/over confident Tank drivers. the savvy ones never let me get off 3 shots on them before they have either taken me out, or high-tailed it. the cost is high admittedly, but as said before, im a firm believer that with the right squad tanks are a very durable and viable option.


eg: last night, in a Skirmish battle on the Map with the objective on the bridge , im on an elevated position, and there is a tank cruising between D, A (on the bridge) and E. it hit him once (he knows im here, but not where), i hit him again, and before i could get him the 3rd time he took cover....... he repped up and came out, i slap him again. he then runs to cover under the bridge and repps up again. cant remember what happened after that, i think i got preoccupied killing the little ants (infantry) but i know i didnt get to kill that tank. the drive was too smart to get caught in the open for me to do any lasting damage.

and really, what tank driver doesn't see that they are getting hit by an AV? they may not be able to pinpoint where its coming from, but they usually know they are taking damage

but when said Heavy gets brave again

to be fair Ted, there is no (single) AV that can fire off enough volleys to kill a smart tank driver that has a decent Turbo equipped and is aware of his escape route. (ie. the smart tank driver wont get caught in the open with no escape route either, so they kinda negate each other)

Lurch, i think we will be in eternal disagreement on this one (funny as we are arguing re immortal fighters and im a part-time AV and u a tank driver). yes some will do that, but if you are encountering this on each map that you run, then you are one unlucky chap. i DO see them on (unrechable) elevated positions, especially in some of the PC battles that i have managed to play, but to say that its the case in every match.... well it's not what i encounter, and definitely not how i play.

so in your opinion vehicles, tanks in particular, are not viable at all in this build of the game, irrespective of tactics?
i see you are asking for a respec, and i actually agree with your stance since it seems the changes to the class will be so drastic as to change the feel of the gameplay all together, but is this something you 2 believe is irreparable or that the level design needs to be overhauled too?

this comment CCP is from one of the best tankers in this game since beta . hit ur archive tab an just search his name
he has countless threads about tanks.

I suggest you take an experts opinion into consideration.

ik. it's almost as hilarious about the infantry complaining about lavs, the melee glitch, mass drivers, forge guns, ars....i could go on. All in all, ya'll whine about way more things way more frequently than we do. Only difference is that it costs us a lot more.