also funny he should mention this because I had to fight a tank being supported by a logi lav for the first time today. 4 people shooting at it with swarm launchers couldn't break those reps.

don't get used to it, everything will change after next month, I just want a respect so that when the jets come, il be able to get them.. that's all I want now

So you're complaining that a dedicated AV fit designed to kill vehicles are good at killing vehicles?

That's hilarious.

No. He's not. You're hilarious.

That really isnt part of the whole AV/HAV debate then and more so towards 'CCP please fix this bs in general'. I personally hate FG on buildings because they wreck my DS but I tend not to fly them after the first encounter and snipe the bastard.

Be adaptable man, your in a top corp have your boys who are scouting ahead call out threats or something, I dunno, but its much safer to be out of harms way than infront of it, and area denial tactics are just as good as outright killing HAV sometimes. Make a nerf FG thread ill give you likes for that ****.

They are still pretty expensive considering heavies are SLOWER than tanks and DONT PACK 8000+ EHP, and we die a lot more in almost every single game.....

That's the point. AV is supposed to be one sided. They are anti-vehicle, so they're supposed to be really good at killing vehicles.

If everything in this game resulted in a balanced fight, then a scout would be just as good against a tank as an AV fit.

The downside of AV is that they suck against other infantry. Yes, they are pretty good at ******* up your tank, but that's the entire point.

That's the point. AV is supposed to be one sided. They are anti-vehicle, so they're supposed to be really good at killing vehicles.

If everything in this game resulted in a balanced fight, then a scout would be just as good against a tank as an AV fit.

The downside of AV is that they suck against other infantry. Yes, they are pretty good at ******* up your tank, but that's the entire point.

no, they dont. proto assault forges top the kill charts

Then IDK, do something proactive about it. Recall your vehicle while the enemy is switching to AV. Get a squad to back you up and protect you. Don't go out in the open where there are high places, or don't call in a vehicle on Line Harvest at all.

Same for a tank Sniping behind a mountain in Manus peak.....

In the AV vs Vehicle war, the one with better position wins.
Thats a fact.

Same for a tank Sniping behind a mountain in Manus peak.....

In the AV vs Vehicle war, the one with better position wins.
Thats a fact.
Tanks have more speed and more EHP.
Heavies are overall cheaper with similar firepower.

because its easier to drive up to a tank in a cherydbis hope out throw 3 lai dais fire 1 swarm and move onto the next tank
youre welcome

Isnt the counter to that HAV want to be invincible and only damaged by other HAV? Dont hate on things because you cant deal with it, dont be so biased if your not prepared to look at everything on a equitable basis.

I took out one of your tanks last night in ambush (on an alt).

I didn't do it alone though, there was at least one other forge gunner taking shots at you as well.

Was I on a building? Yes. Was that a cheap move? No. But why?

Any suit, even a heavy, stands no chance against a tank with 2-3 gunners (heck even one gunner in a blaster can take out any suit in the blink of an eye). So if you expect somebody to perform a Tiananmen Square move against you because that is more "fair", think again. Anything I can do to make it harder for you to find and kill me, the better.

Plus if I am on a building and out of sight, I am a lot less vulnerable to all the infantry roaming the grounds below with AR's that can insta-kill me.

One thing you don't realize, if we are high up, it actually makes it easier for you to get in cover. All you had to do last night to save your tank and it's gunners, was to back up a good 10 feet to get underneath the lip of the building, and I wouldn't have been able to make any shots. But like most tankers out there, you expect to be invincible so you go rushing out into the open, even after being hit with several forge shots a few seconds prior.


And BTW, stay out of bush with your tanks, it's players like you that ruin that mode and make players hate tankers even more. Stay in skirmish where tanks and the majority of vehicles belong. Otherwise you're just going to keep pissing people off by using an OP crutch (yes, in ambush tanks are very OP) and the overpowering ring of "nerf tanks" will resonate louder than you guys saying "buff tanks".

I see quite a lot of successful tankers owning face in bush, probably because the maps are smaller, which makes it harder for forge and swarmers to find a 'perch' which forces us to get in close (which results in a quick death). And even if there is a good place to go, it may take a while to reach it and the matches are over in about 7 mins. So by the time we get to a nice spot, the tank has either moved on or the match is over.

Plus since the area is more condensed, tankers can often stick with their blob of teammates, making it a living hell trying to get AV close enough to the tank or to reach the right spot without dying to infantry. And lastly, since it is ambush, players are expecting to fight other infantry, not vehicles (although that attitude has changed a lot as of late due to all the vehicle abuse in bush).

Over the last few nights I have seen you and a few other SVER players in bush pretty often. One match it seemed like your entire team was rolling around in LLAV's, it was brutal being on the other side.

FYI, I've seen plenty of tanks on top of buildings and high rooftops, pounding infantry. Especially rail tanks. And if you have a rail tank on a building, there're no getting them off short of an Orbital Strike(and that might not even work).

It works both ways, noob. Tankers are just as guilty of rooftop abuse as AV.

I dunno. every 1 always crying bout tankers and av. asking for respects coz they cant own with there tank anymore. bitching bout turrets and how they need to be destroyed otherwise they hurt ur precious tank.. but when they redline sniping, or spawn point raping or on rooftops shooting down on everything then its ok.

The reason ppl bring out av is coz others bring out vehicles. it will never stop. Why should ground forces NOT bring av when pusy tankers are spawn point raping?? and then when they die they go ***** that av is over powered. Well try shooting a real tank with 5 rockets at the same time i think it will burn up pretty fast. Av for tankers is just as annoying as tankers are for others.

So deal about it or skill for something else instead of crying for a respect so u can get something else FOTM OP.

+1 for av

Ted and Lurch must have a hard time with every infantry man invisible firing invisible weapons. Poor ted even unable to comprehend the limitations of his main turrets elevation as he sits at the base of a tower wondering why hes getting shat on.

Easily the most dumb **** idiots ive ever seen on this forum, and thats saying a lot. Really, they need more mods on this forum its hard and annoying to get good indepth discussions of balance with my comrades sitting on the other side of the fence when you got trolls like these 2 dipshits.

soooooooo when a tank is on a high spot (on top of buildings, on a mountain in red line, etc) this is not advantageous to the tank?

im sorry, maybe im missing something, but i figure high ground is only as useful as the first unit/person to claim it. i cant even remember how many times i have been rail sniped by a tank from an elevated position that i cant even see.

dude, i get your frustration, but i think its just something we ALL will have to deal with, regardless of play style, unless the Devs ban all usage of rooftops n mountains. Snipers on a roof, AV on a roof, Tanks on a roof, all are just a deadly given the right shooter. (thing is not everyone on a roof is deadly to a tank, but most on the roof are deadly to infantry)

and really, what tank driver doesn't see that they are getting hit by an AV? they may not be able to pinpoint where its coming from, but they usually know they are taking damage. the smart ones get ghost until they can identify the threat, and either avoid/crush the culprit.

i'll tell you, even with my Adv Forge, i usually only kill the slow/stupid/over confident Tank drivers. the savvy ones never let me get off 3 shots on them before they have either taken me out, or high-tailed it. the cost is high admittedly, but as said before, im a firm believer that with the right squad tanks are a very durable and viable option.


eg: last night, in a Skirmish battle on the Map with the objective on the bridge , im on an elevated position, and there is a tank cruising between D, A (on the bridge) and E. it hit him once (he knows im here, but not where), i hit him again, and before i could get him the 3rd time he took cover....... he repped up and came out, i slap him again. he then runs to cover under the bridge and repps up again. cant remember what happened after that, i think i got preoccupied killing the little ants (infantry) but i know i didnt get to kill that tank. the driver was too smart to get caught in the open for me to do any lasting damage.

to be fair Ted, there is no (single) AV that can fire off enough volleys to kill a smart tank driver that has a decent Turbo equipped and is aware of his escape route. (ie. the smart tank driver wont get caught in the open with no escape route either, so they kinda negate each other)

Lurch, i think we will be in eternal disagreement on this one (funny as we are arguing re immortal fighters and im a part-time AV and u a tank driver). yes some will do that, but if you are encountering this on each map that you run, then you are one unlucky chap. i DO see them on (unrechable) elevated positions, especially in some of the PC battles that i have managed to play, but to say that its the case in every match.... well it's not what i encounter, and definitely not how i play.

this comment CCP is from one of the best tankers in this game since beta . hit ur archive tab an just search his name
he has countless threads about tanks.

I suggest you take an experts opinion into consideration.