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Ted Nugget
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:15:00 -
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As long as AV can get on top of buildings and shoot all the way to the ground there will be no balance. Why stand on the ground and fight a tank when you can just go to the top of a building and spam av from nano hives from that one spot until you blow up said tank. This is why I really am hoping that I get a respec. No matter how you do av vs. tanks av will always win because they have the option of gettin higher ground which, 1 the game doesnt render what is on top of building from inside tank, 2 i couldnt shoot that far if i wanted to.. 3 can i have a respec? i honestly would love nothing more than to spec out of vehicles i have lost more money than tanks are worth no doubt |
Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:16:00 -
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Funny you should mention this because AV runners on roof tops make the tastiest of sniper victims. |
bacon blaster
BIG BAD W0LVES
Eternal Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:18:00 -
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also funny he should mention this because I had to fight a tank being supported by a logi lav for the first time today. 4 people shooting at it with swarm launchers couldn't break those reps. |
Ted Nugget
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:21:00 -
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bacon blaster wrote:also funny he should mention this because I had to fight a tank being supported by a logi lav for the first time today. 4 people shooting at it with swarm launchers couldn't break those reps.
I have done this. It works to an extent. It is fun but again not worth it. I mean my best tank costs me 2.8 mil how long does it take me to grind out isk to pay for that? its a good tank... however if i make one that is 500k it will surely die in no time. damn near 0% survivability... there is no risk/reward balance with thanks its go all in and if you die go broke or go in half way and die and maybe you dont die the next match cause you are trying to be reasonable on price while making a **** tank that you know will die so easily.. just give me a respec please |
Void Echo
Echo Galactic Industries
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:21:00 -
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don't get used to it, everything will change after next month, I just want a respect so that when the jets come, il be able to get them.. that's all I want now |
Ted Nugget
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:24:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:don't get used to it, everything will change after next month, I just want a respect so that when the jets come, il be able to get them.. that's all I want now
its sounds fun just like mercs and all that.. but av is so strong to take down tanks so easy i would imagine all that other fancy rubbish will be just squishier targets for this overwhelming AV... i mean it makes no since to use a tank when you can call in an LAV with 4k shields that will not die unless you do something really stupid... i dont get why lav is so much stronger than a tank besides the speed factor... i mean my lav takes shots better than my tanks |
Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard
General Tso's Alliance
256
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:25:00 -
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bacon blaster wrote:also funny he should mention this because I had to fight a tank being supported by a logi lav for the first time today. 4 people shooting at it with swarm launchers couldn't break those reps.
Am seeing it more often, its pretty cool I cant remember the corp that were doing it but basically had the whole squad backing up the HAV, LLAV in the rear with gunner and 3 troops on foot, the HAV pilot went into 40 kills easily, I managed to snipe the LLAV pilot but by the time i ran back to a supply depot they moved on  and my squad didnt want to put the MDs down so we lost the game 
AV guys on rooftops however meh, unless nobody has the foresight to snipe them they dont last long (no pun intended?) I always tried and hide behind a corner its generally safer. |
Void Echo
Echo Galactic Industries
1099
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:26:00 -
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Ted Nugget wrote:Void Echo wrote:don't get used to it, everything will change after next month, I just want a respect so that when the jets come, il be able to get them.. that's all I want now its sounds fun just like mercs and all that.. but av is so strong to take down tanks so easy i would imagine all that other fancy rubbish will be just squishier targets for this overwhelming AV... i mean it makes no since to use a tank when you can call in an LAV with 4k shields that will not die unless you do something really stupid... i dont get why lav is so much stronger than a tank besides the speed factor... i mean my lav takes shots better than my tanks
you have to be the most ******** ass driver to get your lav blown up... it should be that way with tanks |
Bubba Salaman
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:27:00 -
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So you're complaining that a dedicated AV fit designed to kill vehicles are good at killing vehicles?
That's hilarious. |
Void Echo
Echo Galactic Industries
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:29:00 -
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Bubba Salaman wrote:So you're complaining that a dedicated AV fit designed to kill vehicles are good at killing vehicles?
That's hilarious.
its an imbalanced that needs to be fixed, it takes an entire ******* team to kill a single LAV and yet it takes only one ****** to kill an enemy tank.. that's not right at all. |
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Ted Nugget
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:30:00 -
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Bubba Salaman wrote:So you're complaining that a dedicated AV fit designed to kill vehicles are good at killing vehicles?
That's hilarious.
i dont think you read the post... av on top of towers that i cant shoot at... how is that balanced? its kind of one sided right? |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:30:00 -
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Bubba Salaman wrote:So you're complaining that a dedicated AV fit designed to kill vehicles are good at killing vehicles?
That's hilarious.
No. He's not. You're hilarious. |
Ted Nugget
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:32:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Bubba Salaman wrote:So you're complaining that a dedicated AV fit designed to kill vehicles are good at killing vehicles?
That's hilarious. No. He's not. You're hilarious.
it never fails when you put a little intelligence into something that someone dumb comes in and is like dur dur dur |
Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard
General Tso's Alliance
257
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:32:00 -
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Ted Nugget wrote:Bubba Salaman wrote:So you're complaining that a dedicated AV fit designed to kill vehicles are good at killing vehicles?
That's hilarious. i dont think you read the post... av on top of towers that i cant shoot at... how is that balanced? its kind of one sided right?
In that sense it is balanced, the AV runner took the tactical initiative, and you didnt get outta dodge fast enough and fed him a HAV. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:34:00 -
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Ted Nugget wrote:Bubba Salaman wrote:So you're complaining that a dedicated AV fit designed to kill vehicles are good at killing vehicles?
That's hilarious. i dont think you read the post... av on top of towers that i cant shoot at... how is that balanced? its kind of one sided right?
As one-sided as AV on a tower already is, the only thing saving those AV guys who think they are SOOOOOOO GOOOOOOD is the fact they are freaking invisible.
I think ultimately it is not a question of whether or not they are allowed up there, it is a question of whether or not they SHOULD be up there. It is one less guy hacking and all that, but hey....an Ishukone Assault Forge Gun only tops the kill charts as an AV weapon, so game mechanics as a whole are simply broken.
Anyone can kick a guy when he's already on the floor but let's see how it goes when the tanks can actually shoot back. |
Void Echo
Echo Galactic Industries
1102
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:34:00 -
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Obodiah Garro wrote:Ted Nugget wrote:Bubba Salaman wrote:So you're complaining that a dedicated AV fit designed to kill vehicles are good at killing vehicles?
That's hilarious. i dont think you read the post... av on top of towers that i cant shoot at... how is that balanced? its kind of one sided right? In that sense it is balanced, the AV runner took the tactical initiative, and you didnt get outta dodge fast enough and fed him a HAV.
hes using a cheap cowards tactic that allows him to avoid everyone.... at least you cant climb to the top of a mountain or drive there and try to hit tanks, the only way for us to get on a building is to use a dropship and we all know how those are doing. |
Ted Nugget
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:34:00 -
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there is no indicator to even tell me he went up there.... i cant see him up there cause the rendering is off.... im just gettin hit markers on me and losing hp and its not balanced at all.... av can just shoot to far thats point blank |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:35:00 -
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Ted Nugget wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Bubba Salaman wrote:So you're complaining that a dedicated AV fit designed to kill vehicles are good at killing vehicles?
That's hilarious. No. He's not. You're hilarious. it never fails when you put a little intelligence into something that someone dumb comes in and is like dur dur dur
and he's not even the redneck here! |
Spkr4theDead
International-Fleet
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:35:00 -
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bacon blaster wrote:also funny he should mention this because I had to fight a tank being supported by a logi lav for the first time today. 4 people shooting at it with swarm launchers couldn't break those reps.
Sounds like 4 MLT swarms vs a high shield Gunnlogi. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:36:00 -
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Obodiah Garro wrote:Ted Nugget wrote:Bubba Salaman wrote:So you're complaining that a dedicated AV fit designed to kill vehicles are good at killing vehicles?
That's hilarious. i dont think you read the post... av on top of towers that i cant shoot at... how is that balanced? its kind of one sided right? In that sense it is balanced, the AV runner took the tactical initiative, and you didnt get outta dodge fast enough and fed him a HAV.
read my above post and learn the problem with your logic. towers are fine. knowing of the invisibility crutch and consciously spamming the hell out of it match after match is just.......well i shouldnt have to go on if you are actually invested in the health of this game |
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Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:37:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Bubba Salaman wrote:So you're complaining that a dedicated AV fit designed to kill vehicles are good at killing vehicles?
That's hilarious. No. He's not. You're hilarious.
I agree with Lurch. You said something that has nothing to do with what the TC is getting at. |
Ted Nugget
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:37:00 -
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to me its just as dumb as a "tank driver' calling a tank in on top of a building... that is so dumb you shouldnt be able to call a vehicle in on top of buildings either |
Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:39:00 -
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Ted Nugget wrote:there is no indicator to even tell me he went up there.... i cant see him up there cause the rendering is off.... im just gettin hit markers on me and losing hp and its not balanced at all.... av can just shoot to far thats point blank
That really isnt part of the whole AV/HAV debate then and more so towards 'CCP please fix this bs in general'. I personally hate FG on buildings because they wreck my DS but I tend not to fly them after the first encounter and snipe the bastard.
Be adaptable man, your in a top corp have your boys who are scouting ahead call out threats or something, I dunno, but its much safer to be out of harms way than infront of it, and area denial tactics are just as good as outright killing HAV sometimes. Make a nerf FG thread ill give you likes for that ****. |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:39:00 -
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Ted Nugget wrote:there is no indicator to even tell me he went up there.... i cant see him up there cause the rendering is off.... im just gettin hit markers on me and losing hp and its not balanced at all.... av can just shoot to far thats point blank
infantry AV should never be allowed to render farther than tanks until the day when a forge gun costs more than a 2.5 mil isk tank
but hey, lai dais and a proto assault forge for like 50k.....add invisibility and who wouldn't? Right? |
Ted Nugget
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:41:00 -
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Obodiah Garro wrote:Ted Nugget wrote:there is no indicator to even tell me he went up there.... i cant see him up there cause the rendering is off.... im just gettin hit markers on me and losing hp and its not balanced at all.... av can just shoot to far thats point blank That really isnt part of the whole AV/HAV debate then and more so towards 'CCP please fix this bs in general'. I personally hate FG on buildings because they wreck my DS but I tend not to fly them after the first encounter and snipe the bastard. Be adaptable man, your in a top corp have your boys who are scouting ahead call out threats or something, I dunno, but its much safer to be out of harms way than infront of it, and area denial tactics are just as good as outright killing HAV sometimes. Make a nerf FG thread ill give you likes for that ****.
i was sick when i got killed by the av and my "squad" and all was beside them when they went up there.. i was just in disbelieve that they didnt even say anything.... but hey its not there isk so why should they care |
KING CHECKMATE
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:44:00 -
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Lurchasaurus wrote:Ted Nugget wrote:there is no indicator to even tell me he went up there.... i cant see him up there cause the rendering is off.... im just gettin hit markers on me and losing hp and its not balanced at all.... av can just shoot to far thats point blank infantry AV should never be allowed to render farther than tanks until the day when a forge gun costs more than a 2.5 mil isk tank but hey, lai dais and a proto assault forge for like 50k.....add invisibility and who wouldn't? Right?
They are still pretty expensive considering heavies are SLOWER than tanks and DONT PACK 8000+ EHP, and we die a lot more in almost every single game..... |
Bubba Salaman
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:44:00 -
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Ted Nugget wrote:
i dont think you read the post... av on top of towers that i cant shoot at... how is that balanced? its kind of one sided right?
That's the point. AV is supposed to be one sided. They are anti-vehicle, so they're supposed to be really good at killing vehicles.
If everything in this game resulted in a balanced fight, then a scout would be just as good against a tank as an AV fit.
The downside of AV is that they suck against other infantry. Yes, they are pretty good at ******* up your tank, but that's the entire point. |
Ted Nugget
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:45:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Lurchasaurus wrote:Ted Nugget wrote:there is no indicator to even tell me he went up there.... i cant see him up there cause the rendering is off.... im just gettin hit markers on me and losing hp and its not balanced at all.... av can just shoot to far thats point blank infantry AV should never be allowed to render farther than tanks until the day when a forge gun costs more than a 2.5 mil isk tank but hey, lai dais and a proto assault forge for like 50k.....add invisibility and who wouldn't? Right? They are still pretty expensive considering heavies are SLOWER than tanks and DONT PACK 8000+ EHP, and we die a lot more in almost every single game.....
but when your on top of a building with no one shooting at you.... speed and hp is not a factor anymore |
Lurchasaurus
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:46:00 -
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im tired of the whole "well just snipe them!" argument. i have sp in tanks, not thales rifles.
forget the fact that its a heavy suit with around 1k ehp, on top of the accuracy buff for forges and the removal of their charging animations.....never see them......ever.
Just for one day I'd love to see the tears of infantry as i roll down the street in an invisible tank and then see their qq as they switch from saying "get gud" to "omg why are there even tanks in this game!" |
Ted Nugget
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.08.29 03:46:00 -
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Bubba Salaman wrote:Ted Nugget wrote:
i dont think you read the post... av on top of towers that i cant shoot at... how is that balanced? its kind of one sided right?
That's the point. AV is supposed to be one sided. They are anti-vehicle, so they're supposed to be really good at killing vehicles. If everything in this game resulted in a balanced fight, then a scout would be just as good against a tank as an AV fit. The downside of AV is that they suck against other infantry. Yes, they are pretty good at ******* up your tank, but that's the entire point.
i dont just die to av... i die to av in massive numbers and av on top of buildings.... |
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