stupid, but it happens! and its effective, usually those guys lose only one fit, if at all any.

that one fit puts him in the red for 10 matches

should have got his ass away from the edge of the building then. if one see themselves getting shot........ move to where you are not. on top of a building that is a simple as reversing to where you are out of the line of sight of the the AV.

then you might be interested in speccing into active scanners for your maddy. its nice because for 100m of a radial scanner that has a 20 seconds pulse for a 5 econd cooldown, all you gotta do is use a high slot :)

seeing th enemy coming when in close quarters is a huge advantage, especially when you hear that nanohive being dropped and that dude is getting ready to spam tthose av nades

Figured out how to get three hardeners for my fit, I just had to drop from 180 plates to 120. Yowzers, that damage reduction was good times. I just killed two gunlogis and a silica. Couldn't believe they kept coming at me. I definitely see now why Vehicle vs. vehicle is so much fun. I could have lasted that entire match, if I wasn't a dumb ass and didn't try to go after the Swarm launcher that took me down.

and really, what tank driver doesn't see that they are getting hit by an AV? they may not be able to pinpoint where its coming from, but they usually know they are taking damage. the smart ones get ghost until they can identify the threat, and either avoid/crush the culprit.

i'll tell you, even with my Adv Forge, i usually only kill the slow/stupid/over confident Tank drivers. the savvy ones never let me get off 3 shots on them before they have either taken me out, or high-tailed it. the cost is high admittedly, but as said before, im a firm believer that with the right squad tanks are a very durable and viable option.


eg: last night, in a Skirmish battle on the Map with the objective on the bridge , im on an elevated position, and there is a tank cruising between D, A (on the bridge) and E. it hit him once (he knows im here, but not where), i hit him again, and before i could get him the 3rd time he took cover....... he repped up and came out, i slap him again. he then runs to cover under the bridge and repps up again. cant remember what happened after that, i think i got preoccupied killing the little ants (infantry) but i know i didnt get to kill that tank. the drive was too smart to get caught in the open for me to do any lasting damage.

saying tank drivers are stupid for not moving away from AV fire while simultaneously acknowledging that that AV fire is coming from an invisible guy, and also acknowledging that the damage indicator is lying seems pretty stupid to me

and really, what tank driver doesn't see that they are getting hit by an AV? they may not be able to pinpoint where its coming from, but they usually know they are taking damage

this is what i saw and comprehended as so. if that was not your meaning, then i misunderstood you and thats my bad

read my above post where I have already said sniping heavies on a tower doesnt work

hence the problem with tower forges. and people keep telling me to counter snipe them and expect me to just go, "Oh, wow! What a great idea!"

no, the heavy will simply pull back on the tower and sit on a hive. snipers dont have the dps to ohk a heavy and its not like the heavy has any intention of actually being near the fight anyway. that is the problem.

and really, what tank driver doesn't see that they are getting hit by an AV? they may not be able to pinpoint where its coming from, but they usually know they are taking damage. the smart ones get ghost until they can identify the threat, and either avoid/crush the culprit.

i'll tell you, even with my Adv Forge, i usually only kill the slow/stupid/over confident Tank drivers. the savvy ones never let me get off 3 shots on them before they have either taken me out, or high-tailed it. the cost is high admittedly, but as said before, im a firm believer that with the right squad tanks are a very durable and viable option.


eg: last night, in a Skirmish battle on the Map with the objective on the bridge , im on an elevated position, and there is a tank cruising between D, A (on the bridge) and E. it hit him once (he knows im here, but not where), i hit him again, and before i could get him the 3rd time he took cover....... he repped up and came out, i slap him again. he then runs to cover under the bridge and repps up again. cant remember what happened after that, i think i got preoccupied killing the little ants (infantry) but i know i didnt get to kill that tank. the driver was too smart to get caught in the open for me to do any lasting damage.

but when said Heavy gets brave again

to be fair Ted, there is no (single) AV that can fire off enough volleys to kill a smart tank driver that has a decent Turbo equipped and is aware of his escape route. (ie. the smart tank driver wont get caught in the open with no escape route either, so they kinda negate each other)

Lurch, i think we will be in eternal disagreement on this one (funny as we are arguing re immortal fighters and im a part-time AV and u a tank driver). yes some will do that, but if you are encountering this on each map that you run, then you are one unlucky chap. i DO see them on (unrechable) elevated positions, especially in some of the PC battles that i have managed to play, but to say that its the case in every match.... well it's not what i encounter, and definitely not how i play.

i dont waste my time on ambush, and i hate dom. i play the game mode that matters and it happens without fail, especially once the tank comes out. Simply saying, "Well, I didn't see anything." doesnt work. If that was the case murderers would never get caught.

especially as an AV user, assuming a good tank has a turbo or even should have one is like me saying any good AV user shuold have profile dampening and its their fault for getting spotted. Doesn't work that way.

so in your opinion vehicles, tanks in particular, are not viable at all in this build of the game, irrespective of tactics?
i see you are asking for a respec, and i actually agree with your stance since it seems the changes to the class will be so drastic as to change the feel of the gameplay all together, but is this something you 2 believe is irreparable or that the level design needs to be overhauled too?

i am of the opinion that no matter how good AV is, i believe i am simplly better than other people and i will kill them anyway. If an enemy team squad leader gets on comms and says, "Guys, focus on that tank" then it should be a very big problem. I would just like to be able to see the guys who are shooting at me. I would like AV to lose money when i kill them instead of just going, "Oh well, that was only 150k isk anyway" I would like for all the people with tunnel vision to realize that a weapon that you can get without speccing into it for av, which homes in, does more damage than most AV weapons themselves, can be fit on any suit, costs 15k isk, and can be replenished faster than you can throw is simply a bad game mechanic and takes the purpose of an AV role away.

Tanks choose between railguns or blasters for AI or AV. Infantry can simply throw lai dais on next to that swarm, ar, md or smg. Oh yeah, swarms lock on too.. We dont have countermeasures, we dont get a lock warning, we no longer can see a charge animation when a forge is charging, we no longer get pg, armor, or shields from any of our skills, unlike infantry.......would you like me to go on?

So you're complaining that a dedicated AV fit designed to kill vehicles are good at killing vehicles?

That's hilarious.

to be fair Ted, there is no (single) AV that can fire off enough volleys to kill a smart tank driver that has a decent Turbo equipped and is aware of his escape route. (ie. the smart tank driver wont get caught in the open with no escape route either, so they kinda negate each other)

Lurch, i think we will be in eternal disagreement on this one (funny as we are arguing re immortal fighters and im a part-time AV and u a tank driver). yes some will do that, but if you are encountering this on each map that you run, then you are one unlucky chap. i DO see them on (unrechable) elevated positions, especially in some of the PC battles that i have managed to play, but to say that its the case in every match.... well it's not what i encounter, and definitely not how i play.

i am of the opinion that no matter how good AV is, i believe i am simplly better than other people and i will kill them anyway. If an enemy team squad leader gets on comms and says, "Guys, focus on that tank" then it should be a very big problem. I would just like to be able to see the guys who are shooting at me. I would like AV to lose money when i kill them instead of just going, "Oh well, that was only 150k isk anyway" I would like for all the people with tunnel vision to realize that a weapon that you can get without speccing into it for av, which homes in, does more damage than most AV weapons themselves, can be fit on any suit, costs 15k isk, and can be replenished faster than you can throw is simply a bad game mechanic and takes the purpose of an AV role away.

Tanks choose between railguns or blasters for AI or AV. Infantry can simply throw lai dais on next to that swarm, ar, md or smg. Oh yeah, swarms lock on too.. We dont have countermeasures, we dont get a lock warning, we no longer can see a charge animation when a forge is charging, we no longer get pg, armor, or shields from any of our skills, unlike infantry.......would you like me to go on?

Yes. Please continue. Especially about the part of not having counter measures.

The expected reply... "u mad bro"

Infantry can simply throw lai dais on next to that swarm, ar, md or smg. Oh yeah, swarms lock on too.. We dont have countermeasures, we dont get a lock warning, we no longer can see a charge animation when a forge is charging, we no longer get pg, armor, or shields from any of our skills, unlike infantry.......would you like me to go on?

No Bubba. What he is saying is that the amount of isk/Sp it's takes to use Proto Av's is significantly lower than compared to what it takes to skill into and use tanks. How would you feel if a proto swarm launcher cost you 3 mil isk and then you get ran over by a lav?...exactly.