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Big Burns SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3	Posted - 2013.09.03 04:11:00 - [181] - Quote Jimbo1337 wrote: Big Burns wrote: Jimbo1337 wrote: Quickgloves wrote: Ted Nugget wrote: As long as AV can get on top of buildings and shoot all the way to the ground there will be no balance. Why stand on the ground and fight a tank when you can just go to the top of a building and spam av from nano hives from that one spot until you blow up said tank. This is why I really am hoping that I get a respec. No matter how you do av vs. tanks av will always win because they have the option of gettin higher ground which, 1 the game doesnt render what is on top of building from inside tank, 2 i couldnt shoot that far if i wanted to.. 3 can i have a respec? i honestly would love nothing more than to spec out of vehicles i have lost more money than tanks are worth no doubt this comment CCP is from one of the best tankers in this game since beta . hit ur archive tab an just search his name he has countless threads about tanks. I suggest you take an experts opinion into consideration. So because you are "one of the best tankers" according to someone in STB you should have a say above everyone else? Kinda like all of the Exmaplecore posts on here should also be so high and mighty above everyone else as well. Some complaints given by him are about how Lai Dai's are too strong. Do you mean the exact same Lai Dai's that I threw at his shield rail tank that brought him to half shields? Oh by the way...I threw 6 Lai Dai's at him. Yeah....6! Why don't you just list every possible weapon in this game that can kill a tank and ask for it to be removed from the game. Seriously.... See my above posts for all the stupidity that I see when I kill tanks. Did I end up killing Exmaplecore in my example? No...because he is a good tanker in this game. But it is down right hilarious to read posts by "good" tankers complaining about the only thing that can actually kill them. If you are a "good" tanker, then you should receive more isk in your tank than you actually lose it. If you run out of isk, then use militia gear like the rest of the people in this game. But wait...that would mean that you would have to be in militia gear!!! OMG!! Your poor k/d. Wait wait wait....is that the true reason about all of this? You can get more isk by spawning free dropsuits which clears up the isk problem...but your 10.0 k/d would be ruined!! Nerf all AV WEAPONS! Give me a break... He is not "one of the best" HE IS THE BEST! And that "someone in STB" guy...is THE CEO. Oh my! I am sorry your highness. I didn't know that you were THE BEST and the CEO of STB. Where are my manners Lol Ok, none of that made sense. I posted that Ted was the best tanker, and that Quickgloves was the CEO, but somehow you are under the impression that I am both. Do you even know who you are talking to? Were you drunk when you wrote this? lol
lowratehitman Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 950	Posted - 2013.09.03 04:31:00 - [182] - Quote Ted Nugget wrote: As long as AV can get on top of buildings and shoot all the way to the ground there will be no balance. Why stand on the ground and fight a tank when you can just go to the top of a building and spam av from nano hives from that one spot until you blow up said tank. This is why I really am hoping that I get a respec. No matter how you do av vs. tanks av will always win because they have the option of gettin higher ground which, 1 the game doesnt render what is on top of building from inside tank, 2 i couldnt shoot that far if i wanted to.. 3 can i have a respec? i honestly would love nothing more than to spec out of vehicles i have lost more money than tanks are worth no doubt Ted..good friend... It is just not "TANKS"... people go to "High Places" and try to kill anything... People made these youtube videos teaching players how to do it.... and for some strange reason it ruins the game.... and those same people get a pat on the back for teaching others how to do it... It was no different when the players was MCC sniping... or even being able to kill people from that location behind their redline.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 556	Posted - 2013.09.03 04:52:00 - [183] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Lurchasaurus wrote: Infantry can simply throw lai dais on next to that swarm, ar, md or smg. Oh yeah, swarms lock on too.. We dont have countermeasures, we dont get a lock warning, we no longer can see a charge animation when a forge is charging, we no longer get pg, armor, or shields from any of our skills, unlike infantry.......would you like me to go on? it takes 15s of continous swarm shooting to kill a well fitted high SP armor tank with proto swarms. what have you done in those 15s? let me guess, you stand still thinking that you should not die, right? and your turrets have plenty of range, there is no need to get close to squads into AV nade range and if you are constantly moving and not camping like a scrub AV nades are no threat. You've never been in the driver's seat and experienced the damage PRO AV does to your tank.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 556	Posted - 2013.09.03 04:58:00 - [184] - Quote Jimbo1337 wrote: Okay, I am going to be upfront as possible. I use Lai Dai's and I WILL come after tanks if I see one on the map. That being said, I CANNOT solo a tanker if he keeps moving. Let me say that again. I CANNOT EVER kill a tanker if he consistently moves around the map. With that being said, you cannot say that my Lai Dai's are OP. You cannot complain about people chucking Lai Dai's from a higher point and dying. My question to you is this: Why are you in the middle of the map with a tank? Do you see me running my dropsuit in the middle of 16 guys and expect me to survive? No! You're an idiot. We go into the fight, we get destroyed by crutch AV grenades. We sit behind our redline and snipe, we're called cowards by everybody else. If you can't kill a tanker, well... you're doing it wrong.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 556	Posted - 2013.09.03 05:02:00 - [185] - Quote echo47 wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: While I don't run tanks (anymore) I can honestly say they are catching the shaft on the AV/HAV conflict you don't need to be a tanker or an av user to know when something is too powerfull AV granades for example are FAR over the line considering what they are : an extremely powerful contact grenade that locks onto it's target. Could you imagine if we had an anti infantry granade that did that? The forums would explode and you know why: because it's BS, anyone who thinks something like that is balanced is wrong in the head period that's not a tactical advantage or a balancing mechanic it's insanity. Actually it is balanced. There are trade offs. That vehicle can be fit with modules to increase survivabilty, and sp invest can increase hit points. When infantry goes against a vehicle LAV or what ever we fit AV grenades that can only be used against vehicels. That AV grenade can only lock onto its target if its within a certain range. A range close enough for you to run us over, unless we are on high ground. If a LAV or LLAV goes boom and you are aware enough to exit we have to defend ourselves. That Vehicle is actually like having another merc on the field. LOL One packed Lai Dai = one dead BPO LAV. And, guess what, you still have your Duvolle or Freedom mass driver in your hands to kill Johnny Random in 1 second because he just got out of the Battle Academy.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 556	Posted - 2013.09.03 05:03:00 - [186] - Quote Big Burns wrote: Ted Nugget wrote: jamstar saa187 wrote: to be fair Ted, there is no (single) AV that can fire off enough volleys to kill a smart tank driver that has a decent Turbo equipped and is aware of his escape route. (ie. the smart tank driver wont get caught in the open with no escape route either, so they kinda negate each other) Lurch, i think we will be in eternal disagreement on this one (funny as we are arguing re immortal fighters and im a part-time AV and u a tank driver). yes some will do that, but if you are encountering this on each map that you run, then you are one unlucky chap. i DO see them on (unrechable) elevated positions, especially in some of the PC battles that i have managed to play, but to say that its the case in every match.... well it's not what i encounter, and definitely not how i play. it dont matter if its a building that is so high i cant see what is up there or if its just a structure like the bridge map where a is between d and e and they both have that little structure... AV is going to get on top of buildings no matter what... im over vehicles not performing to the degree of the cost.... i just want to spec out of them once and for all Uhh, yes there is...it's called a breach forge gun. And for the cheap price of about 1mil SP and 47k isk you can 2-shot something that costs 9.2milSp and 3.3mil isk. Definitely more than 1mil SP to make the Wiyrkomi really worth it.
XiBravo TeamPlayers EoN. 204	Posted - 2013.09.03 05:04:00 - [187] - Quote Spkr calling someone an idiot...BaHa Keep thrown' them stones and u won't have any house left.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 556	Posted - 2013.09.03 05:05:00 - [188] - Quote gbh08 wrote: Void Echo wrote: we did have that once... the forums blew up with QQing from the infantry, as a result, they got removed.... but that only happened because the infantry complained about it, if anything else complains about something, that thing gets buffed +75 "Void Echo's Clone Died" haha such a sweet moment Honestly though, its no supprise you loose a ton of tanks, when your driving through the middle of the map with a ******* RAIL turret, lmao, how do you expect to kill av with a fecking a rail..... i shouldnt really have to give you tips, but you should learn2missile lol you have no idea how hard it is to go anti-infantry with a rail gun. Comparatively speaking, that makes him a far better player than you are.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 556	Posted - 2013.09.03 05:08:00 - [189] - Quote Jimbo1337 wrote: So because you are "one of the best tankers" according to someone in STB you should have a say above everyone else? Kinda like all of the Exmaplecore posts on here should also be so high and mighty above everyone else as well. Some complaints given by him are about how Lai Dai's are too strong. Do you mean the exact same Lai Dai's that I threw at his shield rail tank that brought him to half shields? Oh by the way...I threw 6 Lai Dai's at him. Yeah....6! Why don't you just list every possible weapon in this game that can kill a tank and ask for it to be removed from the game. Seriously.... See my above posts for all the stupidity that I see when I kill tanks. Did I end up killing Exmaplecore in my example? No...because he is a good tanker in this game. But it is down right hilarious to read posts by "good" tankers complaining about the only thing that can actually kill them. If you are a "good" tanker, then you should receive more isk in your tank than you actually lose it. If you run out of isk, then use militia gear like the rest of the people in this game. But wait...that would mean that you would have to be in militia gear!!! OMG!! Your poor k/d. Wait wait wait....is that the true reason about all of this? You can get more isk by spawning free dropsuits which clears up the isk problem...but your 10.0 k/d would be ruined!! Nerf all AV WEAPONS! Give me a break... You're throwing something that does less than 100% of its damage against shields, and complain that he doesn't get instapopped. lrn2intelligence Receive more ISK.......................... a usual for me, and likely, all tankers, we make back about the price of a hull and a top plate/repper per match. So when we get killed by your crutch AV grenades that are idiot proof, require no aiming, require little SP to unlock, and cost next to nothing, how are we supposed to make a profit? Oh, I have the answer. Rail snipe safely snuggled up next to a rock behind our red line. But wait! That makes us cowards.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 556	Posted - 2013.09.03 05:11:00 - [190] - Quote lowratehitman wrote: Ted Nugget wrote: As long as AV can get on top of buildings and shoot all the way to the ground there will be no balance. Why stand on the ground and fight a tank when you can just go to the top of a building and spam av from nano hives from that one spot until you blow up said tank. This is why I really am hoping that I get a respec. No matter how you do av vs. tanks av will always win because they have the option of gettin higher ground which, 1 the game doesnt render what is on top of building from inside tank, 2 i couldnt shoot that far if i wanted to.. 3 can i have a respec? i honestly would love nothing more than to spec out of vehicles i have lost more money than tanks are worth no doubt Ted..good friend... It is just not "TANKS"... people go to "High Places" and try to kill anything... People made these youtube videos teaching players how to do it.... and for some strange reason it ruins the game.... and those same people get a pat on the back for teaching others how to do it... It was no different when the players was MCC sniping... or even being able to kill people from that location behind their redline. Go back to throwing PRO AV grenades at MLT tanks with drivers that don't know any better, all while saying this isn't World of Tanks and that vehicles have no place in a video game that isn't a dedicated driving game.

Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 556	Posted - 2013.09.03 05:12:00 - [191] - Quote XiBravo wrote: Spkr calling someone an idiot...BaHa Keep thrown' them stones and u won't have any house left. Point out things I say that are stupid, factually false, or don't make any sense.
Charlotte O'Dell 0uter.Heaven 1310	Posted - 2013.09.03 05:29:00 - [192] - Quote DR88VIPER Starrunner wrote: Maybe so but its still hilarious how all u tankers keep crying. ik. it's almost as hilarious about the infantry complaining about lavs, the melee glitch, mass drivers, forge guns, ars....i could go on. All in all, ya'll whine about way more things way more frequently than we do. Only difference is that it costs us a lot more.
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1370	Posted - 2013.09.03 05:52:00 - [193] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: DR88VIPER Starrunner wrote: Maybe so but its still hilarious how all u tankers keep crying. ik. it's almost as hilarious about the infantry complaining about lavs, the melee glitch, mass drivers, forge guns, ars....i could go on. All in all, ya'll whine about way more things way more frequently than we do. Only difference is that it costs us a lot more. the number one complaint about the MD is that it requires no aim and people think is is the most game breaking thing, yet when it comes to lai dais and sqarms they conveniently dont care. fuc.king hypocrites
Void Echo Echo Galactic Industries 1166	Posted - 2013.09.03 06:08:00 - [194] - Quote gbh08 wrote: Void Echo wrote: we did have that once... the forums blew up with QQing from the infantry, as a result, they got removed.... but that only happened because the infantry complained about it, if anything else complains about something, that thing gets buffed +75 "Void Echo's Clone Died" haha such a sweet moment Honestly though, its no supprise you loose a ton of tanks, when your driving through the middle of the map with a ******* RAIL turret, lmao, how do you expect to kill av with a fecking a rail..... i shouldnt really have to give you tips, but you should learn2missile well considering the fact that almost everything is instant kill with rail if its a direct hit and massive splash damage to infantry, I prefer a "direct hit to kill" weapon over a "scatter and pick off anyone stupid" weapon.
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 559	Posted - 2013.09.03 06:39:00 - [195] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: DR88VIPER Starrunner wrote: Maybe so but its still hilarious how all u tankers keep crying. ik. it's almost as hilarious about the infantry complaining about lavs, the melee glitch, mass drivers, forge guns, ars....i could go on. All in all, ya'll whine about way more things way more frequently than we do. Only difference is that it costs us a lot more. the number one complaint about the MD is that it requires no aim and people think is is the most game breaking thing, yet when it comes to lai dais and swarms they conveniently dont care. hypocrites Seconded
echo47 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 50	Posted - 2013.09.03 20:52:00 - [196] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: echo47 wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: While I don't run tanks (anymore) I can honestly say they are catching the shaft on the AV/HAV conflict you don't need to be a tanker or an av user to know when something is too powerfull AV granades for example are FAR over the line considering what they are : an extremely powerful contact grenade that locks onto it's target. Could you imagine if we had an anti infantry granade that did that? The forums would explode and you know why: because it's BS, anyone who thinks something like that is balanced is wrong in the head period that's not a tactical advantage or a balancing mechanic it's insanity. Actually it is balanced. There are trade offs. That vehicle can be fit with modules to increase survivabilty, and sp invest can increase hit points. When infantry goes against a vehicle LAV or what ever we fit AV grenades that can only be used against vehicels. That AV grenade can only lock onto its target if its within a certain range. A range close enough for you to run us over, unless we are on high ground. If a LAV or LLAV goes boom and you are aware enough to exit we have to defend ourselves. That Vehicle is actually like having another merc on the field. LOL One packed Lai Dai = one dead BPO LAV. And, guess what, you still have your Duvolle or Freedom mass driver in your hands to kill Johnny Random in 1 second because he just got out of the Battle Academy. Yes I still have my TAC AR and Johnny Random has his MD a passenger and red on the turret. Johnny Random just learned a valuable lesson skill up and use LLAV, not BPO LAV when trying to run someone over, or hop out and use his gun.
Big Burns SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3	Posted - 2013.09.04 01:57:00 - [197] - Quote There will come a day when we get our beloved Sagaris and Surya back. And when this inevitability occurs, we will show NO mercy on any of you AV users. STB houses 6 of the best tankers in the game. A reign of blood is coming...
echo47 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 52	Posted - 2013.09.04 02:00:00 - [198] - Quote Big Burns wrote: There will come a day when we get our beloved Sagaris and Surya back. And when this inevitability occurs, we will show NO mercy on any of you AV users. STB houses 6 of the best tankers in the game. A reign of blood is coming... Looking forward to it.
saxonmish Third Rock From The Sun 6	Posted - 2013.10.20 09:29:00 - [199] - Quote c'mon guys you all now that im the best tanker. haha
saxonmish Third Rock From The Sun 6	Posted - 2013.10.20 09:41:00 - [200] - Quote So because you are "one of the best tankers" according to someone in STB you should have a say above everyone else? Kinda like all of the Exmaplecore posts on here should also be so high and mighty above everyone else as well. Some complaints given by him are about how Lai Dai's are too strong. Do you mean the exact same Lai Dai's that I threw at his shield rail tank that brought him to half shields? Oh by the way...I threw 6 Lai Dai's at him. Yeah....6! Why don't you just list every possible weapon in this game that can kill a tank and ask for it to be removed from the game. Seriously.... See my above posts for all the stupidity that I see when I kill tanks. Did I end up killing Exmaplecore in my example? No...because he is a good tanker in this game. But it is down right hilarious to read posts by "good" tankers complaining about the only thing that can actually kill them. If you are a "good" tanker, then you should receive more isk in your tank than you actually lose it. If you run out of isk, then use militia gear like the rest of the people in this game. But wait...that would mean that you would have to be in militia gear!!! OMG!! Your poor k/d. Wait wait wait....is that the true reason about all of this? You can get more isk by spawning free dropsuits which clears up the isk problem...but your 10.0 k/d would be ruined!! Nerf all AV WEAPONS! Give me a break...[/quote] He is not "one of the best" HE IS THE BEST! And that "someone in STB" guy...is THE CEO. [/quote] i was just reading this and had to type sumthing. tankers do cry too much tbh no matter if your good or not when your ina tank you always think that yours is better that the other guys tank. ive been a tanker since the big respec after beta and it takes time to learn but av can be beaten. i can keep my tank to up to 25 consecutive matches you just be carefull it doesnt matter if there is a proto swarm crew chasing ya down there is ways to survive them its not hard you just need a good fit and im one of the best tankers on this game has to be said :). peace.

J0hlss0n Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 34	Posted - 2013.10.20 10:29:00 - [201] - Quote I think we should rename Spkr4theDead to Spkr4theTanks.(not meant in a bad way) =) On the part of AV getting up high gives them an edge on veichles, yes, it does. However, facing a tank on the ground, with a Forge charged/charging up, can be a nightmare if the tanker/passenger (had a few faceoffs with a tank where the tanker sends out his shotgunner/ar user to take care of my heavy) notices you. Several times Ive been in this situation and several times its been a challenge, especially if the tankers team starts hunting me, but thats mostly because of the fact that Im alone against the tank, if theres more people attacking it can be a different story. And no, I dont use swarms or av grenades, I'm only a Forge'r since several builds, so I try to make the best out of it, and that means sometimes getting to a high spot, either a building or a roof. Most of the times I have no problem either taking the tank/veichle down or at least make them retreat, there are a few times I come up against a wellfitted tank and a good driver where things get really interesting. The tanks/tankers needs work though (especially the new tankers), either by lowering the prices of the tanks/turrets today or get advanced tanks out.


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