So I did the math...
Logistics get inherent 5hp/s.
Gallente Logi also has 5 low slots.

Base armor HP * 1.25 (Skill bonus) = 225 HP
+
148.5 (Complex plate after the buff + 10%) * 4
=
819 armor
+
80 base shields * 1.25
=
919
+
72.6 (single extender)
=
991.6 HP


Now, you got 1 low slot for a armor repairer, which puts you at 11.65 hp/s.
And you got two high slots, for either even more shields, OR two complex damage mods.

So in total:
991.6 eHP
11.65hp/s regen
+20% damage
And four equipment slots


I've said it before and I'll say it again:
Drop the inherent 5hp/s regen and remove the extra high/low slots they got from the assault variant.

Have you done the fitting math? Plus who the hell runs 4 complex plates? You would move slower than a heavy with 40% decrease to running speed.

In other words LOL NO

Have you done the fitting math? Plus who the hell runs 4 complex plates? You would move slower than a heavy with 40% decrease to running speed.

In other words LOL NO

Have you seen the armor plates buff thread?

Smart people will keep shield tanking because there will be a rise in usage of explosive weaponry to counter the resurge of popularity with armour tanking.

Slow-moving heavies with slow-moving logistics players sticking with them? Flux + MD, free double kill.

Therefore, CCP has simply indirectly restated their preference for shields. Armour supporters have been checkmated.

Your move, community.


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Oh how I love inciting revolutionary zeal.

So I did the math...
Logistics get inherent 5hp/s.
Gallente Logi also has 5 low slots.

Base armor HP * 1.25 (Skill bonus) = 225 HP
+
148.5 (Complex plate after the buff + 10%) * 4
=
819 armor
+
80 base shields * 1.25
=
919
+
72.6 (single extender)
=
991.6 HP


Now, you got 1 low slot for a armor repairer, which puts you at 11.65 hp/s.
And you got two high slots, for either even more shields, OR two complex damage mods.

So in total:
991.6 eHP
11.65hp/s regen
+20% damage
And four equipment slots


I've said it before and I'll say it again:
Drop the inherent 5hp/s regen and remove the extra high/low slots they got from the assault variant.

Smart people will keep shield tanking because there will be a rise in usage of explosive weaponry to counter the resurge of popularity with armour tanking.

Slow-moving heavies with slow-moving logistics players sticking with them? Flux + MD, free double kill.

Therefore, CCP has simply indirectly restated their preference for shields. Armour supporters have been checkmated.

Your move, community.


-


Oh how I love inciting revolutionary zeal.

you forgot to mention the huge penalty to movement :)

So I did the math...
Logistics get inherent 5hp/s.
Gallente Logi also has 5 low slots.

Base armor HP * 1.25 (Skill bonus) = 225 HP
+
148.5 (Complex plate after the buff + 10%) * 4
=
819 armor
+
80 base shields * 1.25
=
919
+
72.6 (single extender)
=
991.6 HP


Now, you got 1 low slot for a armor repairer, which puts you at 11.65 hp/s.
And you got two high slots, for either even more shields, OR two complex damage mods.

So in total:
991.6 eHP


11.65hp/s regen
+20% damage
And four equipment slots


I've said it before and I'll say it again:
Drop the inherent 5hp/s regen and remove the extra high/low slots they got from the assault variant.

I demand a respec now bc my previously OP Caldari suit got nerfed so now I need Gallente! RESPEC!

FOTM lol everything is OP every other day. I'll keep running with what I am comfortable running and know how to use.

20% not including the stacking penalty which makes it even lower.
And I could always use enhanced plates that only lose 20HP per plate and have 3% instead of 5%.

Smart people will keep shield tanking because there will be a rise in usage of explosive weaponry to counter the resurge of popularity with armour tanking.

Slow-moving heavies with slow-moving logistics players sticking with them? Flux + MD, free double kill.

Therefore, CCP has simply indirectly restated their preference for shields. Armour supporters have been checkmated.

Your move, community.


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Oh how I love inciting revolutionary zeal.

This guy needs locking in a cage somewhere and NEVER be allowed to post on any forum ever again!

Smart people will keep shield tanking because there will be a rise in usage of explosive weaponry to counter the resurge of popularity with armour tanking.

Slow-moving heavies with slow-moving logistics players sticking with them? Flux + MD, free double kill.

Therefore, CCP has simply indirectly restated their preference for shields. Armour supporters have been checkmated.

Your move, community.


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Oh how I love inciting revolutionary zeal.

I love how the Minnie Logi can do well with either shields or armor.

My Minnie Logi will be a dual tanking badass with awesome movement and hacking speed.

first of all, enhanced plate lose 27 hp afters skills
and second, you cleary dont know how stacking penalty works

You have betrayed the empire :O and the amarr the dual tankers in dust buddy go amarr or go home

Did the fitting for the Gallente logistics, and it is possible but there are some caveats that would mean this suit will not be abused in this way. First of all the suit will move at 4.09 m/s, thats almost the speed of a heavy without the same HP, absolutely no room for equipment not even a hive, if using a Duvolle and it requires 5/5 fitting skills. Also because of how limiting the speed is nobody is going to make this type of suit, also this type of suit is currently possible just with lower HP but it is also possible with every other suit but because of the speed penalties nobody uses it, thus it doesn't exist now and it won't exist then.

The Assault gk.0 can get be built slightly the same, but with 100 armor HP less. The difference is that it also has to resort to a Gek-38 and has lower repair (again I believe CCP will add passive armor), on the plus side it has higher shield repair and a speed of 4.51 m/s which is way faster than the logistics.

4 complex plates = 48 pg.
1 complex repper = 11 pg
2 complex damage mods = 18 pg
1 complex shield extender = 11 pg.
Duvolle = 11 pg (8 with fitting optimization)


That's 99 pg without any nades or equips...Yeah...you'd need all core skills maxxed out, couldn't run much for nades, and no equips. I have 102 pg. with all core skills decked out.

/thread and the move speed penalty for that stacking included would still bring you down to 4.09 move speed....which is slow as ****.

Funny, because I can fit it on my logi right now.
1 Complex repper.
4x Complex plates.
1x Complex shield extender
1x Complex damage mod
1x Enhanced damage mod
1x GEK (I don't use duvolles, I see them as pointless since the performance boost is very minor)
1x M1 Locus Grenade
1x Ishukone hive

The main problem is the inherent 5hp/s.
6.5hp/s is **** slow, I can't see myself using three plates on my assault.
But 11.65hp/s?
Heck yeah I will stack plates.

Also, the difference between a duvolle and a GEK is minor at best, I never use a duvolle.

Funny, because I can fit it on my logi right now.
1 Complex repper.
4x Complex plates.
1x Complex shield extender
1x Complex damage mod
1x Enhanced damage mod
1x GEK (I don't use duvolles, I see them as pointless since the performance boost is very minor)
1x M1 Locus Grenade
1x Ishukone hive

I do.
I lose less and less per plate.
This isn't really a "penalty" but I couldn't think of a name.

Why?
For speaking the truth?
I'm a Gallente Assault/Logi, I got access to both proto versions.
This is going to be an awesome month for me until the logi gets nerfed :)

Well until assault suits start carrying repair tools I really don't think we should lose this skill, you should add in the fact a good Logi will keep you repped not constantly, but when your armor needs a polish.

All suits will stack plates not just the Gallente logistics.

The assault has a faster shield repair, so its practically a trade off.

haha you obviously have no clue, stacking penalty does not apply for the speed penalty =D

Someone get the OP out of here. He's the reason every gun and suit in this game is gonna blow.

An Effective fit =/= OP

The Gallente Logi being a better frontline soldier than a Gallente assault.
How is that NOT OP?

Yeah, I kinda agree with (is this Cat Merc?) OP here. There's no good reason for the GalLogi to have such vastly superior tank to the Assault.

Meow

so i did some more math and the gallentai logi can beat the cal logi by 88hp in raw hp with the cal maxing at 1173 hp and the gal at 1261.
aswell as this if the suits were going up against explosive weaponry the the gal still wins but only by 1.25hp.i think something went wrong with that second calc im gonna repeat it.
EDIT: GAL wins!!!! and both suits had a unskilled duvolle fitted

You don't have enough shots in your clip to take out 1000 eHP :S


As for the CPU/PG requirements:
I did this fit and it fits just fine.
I have to give up my equipment except for a proto hive, but still, damn that's a powerful suit.

Did the fitting for the Gallente logistics, and it is possible but there are some caveats that would mean this suit will not be abused in this way. First of all the suit will move at 4.09 m/s, thats almost the speed of a heavy without the same HP, absolutely no room for equipment not even a hive, if using a Duvolle and it requires 5/5 fitting skills. Also because of how limiting the speed is nobody is going to make this type of suit, also this type of suit is currently possible just with lower HP but it is also possible with every other suit but because of the speed penalties nobody uses it, thus it doesn't exist now and it won't exist then.

The Assault gk.0 can get be built slightly the same, but with 100 armor HP less. The difference is that it also has to resort to a Gek-38 and has lower repair (again I believe CCP will add passive armor), on the plus side it has higher shield repair and a speed of 4.51 m/s which is way faster than the logistics.

Logi can only be op against noobs.
In real battles they run out of ammo.

You can have all the armor you want, but wirhout bullets who cares. Plus armor tanking effects speed. Its a great suit but assualt in nuetral territory always wins.

Logi can only be op against noobs.
In real battles they run out of ammo.

You can have all the armor you want, but wirhout bullets who cares. Plus armor tanking effects speed. Its a great suit but assualt in nuetral territory always wins.

Logi can only be op against noobs.
In real battles they run out of ammo.

You can have all the armor you want, but wirhout bullets who cares. Plus armor tanking effects speed. Its a great suit but assualt in nuetral territory always wins.

Wait what?
A logi has 4 equipment slots.
That means 4 nanohives.
That means he can have more ammo than 4 assaults.

u cant have any hives if u put all ur pg on armor plates and Dmg moludes

Funny, because I did, I have a proto hive on my suit.
That's in fact more than I could fit on my Assault, that has K-2, worse tank and same damage.

well it mean u have no nadas or u using gek 38.not everyone using same weapon. if u combo ASCR with core nadas u dont even have a hives to use =)

that why u have enough pg for hive but if u go on ascr it cost u **** load of pg

like i said if u go full complex plates with max dmg (proto weapon and 2x dmg modules) u cant put hive on it.



anyway who need hives when u on pc all ur teammate drop hive for you XD

I can't put a hive on my assault either.
Again
Your point?
In fact, it's much worse because I got a LOT less CPU/PG.

nobody is going to make this type of suit? i do that suit and i almost alway at top list leaderboad.

Um... is anyone else seeing a problem with this whole logi thing?

I'm lucky if I can get 600(total)hp on my assault and logis seem to be able to fit almost double that. Did we at some point decide to make logi's the real front liners?

I guess I was a bit of a noob who saw thrown off by the wording. I saw 'Assault' and was like 'I can f stuff up with this' and the word logi and thought 'pff... why would I wanna support my team?'

If I had known I would have spec'd into logi.

You run a medium suit for 4 complex armor modules? Unless your a sniper, a TacAR user, or a heavy I highly doubt it. That meabs your suits speed is like 3.4-3.7 m/s.

Difference between the Logi suit and Assault suit after 1.4 would be 5 repair and 100 armor HP.

yes im slow so wat doesnt mean i cant kill people

No but it means you are extremely easy to kill.

I agree that the OP is being foolish here. I can't wait to see you trundling about with that many armor plates since I'm going to blast the crap out of you before you can turn and aim at me.

Remember at 34 damage per shot from an AR (I'm not looking at dust right now so please excuse me if that number is off) your looking at 34*60 for a potential damage of 2040 damage per clip, which is ignoring head shots for simplicity's sake. Even assuming that only half of my shots land that still is more than enough to kill a 1000 hp suit in a single clip.

I agree that the OP is being foolish here. I can't wait to see you trundling about with that many armor plates since I'm going to blast the crap out of you before you can turn and aim at me.

Remember at 34 damage per shot from an AR (I'm not looking at dust right now so please excuse me if that number is off) your looking at 34*60 for a potential of 2040 damage per clip, which is ignoring head shots for simplicity's sake. Even assuming that only half of my shots land that still is more than enough to kill a 1000 hp suit in a single clip.

since I'm going to blast the crap out of you before you can turn and aim at me.

(Dials sensitivity setting up by 20)
slower turn rate bypassed looool

Even though OP post is incredibly stupid with his fail logic and lack of knowledge in armor tanking suits I'd like to say that armor will always have more HP than shields.

That's just the way it is and that's the way it's always been.

(Dials sensitivity setting up by 20)
slower turn rate bypassed looool

and yes i agree, op was bein a bit foolish. Who the **** would fit that many plates, c'mon now.

good call

i use 5 armor plate XD

5 complex Reps. Com @ mii broah

Funny, because I can fit it on my logi right now.
1 Complex repper.
4x Complex plates.
1x Complex shield extender
1x Complex damage mod
1x Enhanced damage mod
1x GEK (I don't use duvolles, I see them as pointless since the performance boost is very minor)
1x M1 Locus Grenade
1x Ishukone hive

Where's your drop uplinks? How about your repair tool? Huh. I don't see a nanite injector in that loadout, either.

I am a real logistics trooper, Argon Gas, and, son, you're no logistics trooper. You're an *assault* player abusing the logistics class, and then yipping that it should be nerfed. Us logistics players ought to be pissed off at folks like you who run around doing this stuff, and if CCP listens to your "advice," those us who role-play properly wind up being punished because of players like you.

And, I've said it before and I'll say it again: If I'm going to be running around in a proto logistics suit with proto equipment out the wahoo to keep people like you, Argon Gas, supplied, repaired, healed and with strategic respawn points, I want protection. There's no way in God's green earth that I'm going to waste my ISK saving/resupplying your butt if my logistics suit of choice is nerfed because of assault players who abused the role-play system.

Where's your drop uplinks? How about your repair tool? Huh. I don't see a nanite injector in that loadout, either.

I am a real logistics trooper, Argon Gas, and, son, you're no logistics trooper. You're an *assault* player abusing the logistics class, and then yipping that it should be nerfed. Us logistics players ought to be pissed off at folks like you who run around doing this stuff, and if CCP listens to your "advice," those us who role-play properly wind up being punished because of players like you.

And, I've said it before and I'll say it again: If I'm going to be running around in a proto logistics suit with proto equipment out the wahoo to keep people like you, Argon Gas, supplied, repaired, healed and with strategic respawn points, I want protection. There's no way in God's green earth that I'm going to waste my ISK saving/resupplying your butt if my logistics suit of choice is nerfed because of assault players who abused the role-play system.

I do not care that you play it right.
Good for you.
But players will abuse the **** out of it.
Why should your suit, designed to help other people rather than being a direct combat suit, be better at direct combat than an assault?

I wonder when the Assault suits are gonna get better at assauling then the logies....

If you do it right, I have no problem with you.
I have a problem with the people that don't, the people that use this suit as a better assault.

I wonder when the Assault suits are gonna get better at assauling then the logies....

Huh, must be my turn to shine then. Let me ask you something, did you do the math with PG/CPU? Because if I am not mistaken that suit has no room for equipment, a weapon above basic, or high slot modules.

Shut up with that 'logic' you dirty OP Gal Logi! You should have known better than to spec into an OP suit. It's your turn now bitches!!!

Muhahahahaa!!!!!

I've been wondering the same thing. If you can't work something out with that crazy shield regen bonus and the ability to use a sidearm, something's wrong. Bigger buffer Gëá better.

Assaults who can aim rarely use their sidearm.
Gallente have no use for this shield regen.
Try again.

Sidearms have nothing to do with aim, they're primarily better in CQC or complement weapons that aren't effective at short range. Laser/SMG is a pretty nasty combo.
The Gallente bonus is a shield vs armor issue. There's a good topic discussing it if you haven't yet.
The overlooked issue is that assault have more flat out DPS because they have access to a sidearm.

No we don't.
If we could fire the primary and secondary at the same time?
Yes.
But can we?
No.
So DPS is the same.

It's still 2 weapons that you can switch to on the fly.
1 + 1 = 2
Logis (Except the Amarr) only get one weapon.
1 + 0 = 1
That second weapon means more DPS, whether you want to admit it or not. Hell, if you have good aim, the breach SP beats the AR if you can land some headshots. Even the damn Ishukone out damages the Duvolle and Boundless HMG.

No we don't.
If we could fire the primary and secondary at the same time?
Yes.
But can we?
No.
So DPS is the same.

If you can consistantly land headshots.

Also, it's not a 2 if we can't use them at the same time.
It's 1 + 1.

But I specced into it for the equipment slots and the repair :(

So a Gal Logi with a Laser Rifle in CQC has more DPS than someone with a Side Arm?
So MD users getting 6/8 shots before the one of the slowest reload times in the game doesn't hurt DPS?
SR reaches overheat and your opponent sees you don't have a side-arm so they are just going to let you cool down first?
Even 60 bullets from an AR can run out in quite alot of situations.

Now you're just arguing semantics. If sidearms are so unimportant why don't all logis have them?

You can't switch weapons when overheated anyway.
An AR has a pretty quick reload.

And that's still not DPS, that's extra DAMAGE.
DAMAGE PER SECOND =/= DAMAGE


For me with the AR, I use a sidearm maybe once every 30 kills.
So tell me, why shouldn't I use a logi?



Because CCP THINKS they're important.
We all know how smart they are.

Tell me, why should you get extra low/high slots in addition to equipment?

Because logi suits trade their base stats and sidearm for them. Same reason why heavies don't have an equipment slot and why scouts are (too) squishy but fast. It's called having a tradeoff. CCP thought it was important.

why would you want to go armor when flux massdriver is the newthing?

Is +3 equipment, which turns you into 4 assaults equipment wise not worth it alone?
I don't see the need for you to have an extra high and low slot.
You are NOT supposed to be competitive in a fire fight.
You can add damage to a firefight, but assaults are supposed to have the advantage.
I'm not asking for the removal of light weapons, I'm asking for you to have the same high/low slot configuration as assaults.
Only Logi assaults need it, not support logis.

A logi suit is nothing but a medium suit with different rolled stats. There are no assault logis nor are there support logis, we're all ****ing logis, get that through you head. Also, it's a goddamned FPS. The day New Eden has a Geneva Convention, is the day logis can stop carrying weapons. Stop looking for free kills.

why wouldyou go shield if they can flux and one two shot ur dead lol there no way out buddy we all die from the MD some how.....

I would see CCP change the logi suit by removing high and low slots and replacing the lost slots with medium slots which cover modules that give bonuses to support items, equipment items, EWAR, etc. Then Logis lose their massive buffers, can keep their PRO weapons, and be used for the role they were intended.

That'll just give people something more to complain about. See all the MD QQ? Imagine how butthurt people will be about webifiers and scramblers.

I'll be fine with that.
Support can happen in many ways.
If you slow down my enemies, that's support.

I would see CCP change the logi suit by removing high and low slots and replacing the lost slots with medium slots which cover modules that give bonuses to support items, equipment items, EWAR, etc. Then Logis lose their massive buffers, can keep their PRO weapons, and be used for the role they were intended.

You can't switch weapons when overheated anyway.
An AR has a pretty quick reload.

And that's still not DPS, that's extra DAMAGE.
DAMAGE PER SECOND =/= DAMAGE


For me with the AR, I use a sidearm maybe once every 30 kills.
So tell me, why shouldn't I use a logi?



Because CCP THINKS they're important.
We all know how smart they are.

Tell me, why should you get extra low/high slots in addition to equipment?

Assaults who can aim rarely use their sidearm.
Gallente have no use for this shield regen.
Try again.

Are you the same guy that started the "Flaylock is OP!!!!" threads after they released that video, a month before it was even in-game?

I beg to differ, I can aim just fine and I end up using my sidearm quite often. Everyone always talks about using Logi suits for an Assault role, but I just have to laugh at that. No self-respecting Assault player would run without a sidearm (and the Amarr Logi is the only one that gets a sidearm IIRC).

I love it when I'm battling a Cal-logi and we both exhaust our clip at the same time. I immediately switch to my SMG to finish them off. What are they doing? Oh yeah, they are strafing and jumping around like an idiot and NOT shooting me because they have no sidearm and have to reload. And now they are dead In the past, this was also the time at which a Cal-logi may throw a panic fused locus grenade at my feet, but now that those things have been nerfed into oblivion, that's not even an option.

Being an Assault player is about having firepower. If you need ridiculous amounts of HP to play the Assault role and you are willing to give up your sidearm for it, you are doing something wrong.

Hit the nail on the head. I can't count how many fights I've lost because I was stuck reloading while an assault either pelted me with an SMG or unloaded with a SP.
And before anyone brings up Amarr logis, they're supposed to be a logi/assault hybrid.

Same of Logi you don't need tons of EHP to play logi you should be slightly behind the assaults who should be slightly behind the heavies. All a Logi needs to do is stay alive and behind their front liners so they can rep, rez, and restock ammo, as well as be designated hackers etc.

Serious question: What's your obsession with telling others what to do? You're like the ultimate backseat gamer.

Serious question: What's your obsession with telling others what to do? You're like the ultimate backseat gamer.

Maybe because that's what you're supposed to do? >_>

Last I heard a game is about having fun. I spend 40hrs a week getting told what to do, why the hell would I want that included in what I do in my free time?

I'm not telling people what to do im explaining the intended role of the Logi class. Turning it into another class is not the intention of I Dev's. Point being you can have a logi ship in EVE but you cant turn it into a fit better suited for combat than a combat oriented ship.

I want to have a insta kill weapon and 100k eHP.

What works in EVE isn't going to necessarily work in Dust. Dust is a FPS- we all have guns. Assaults, scouts, and heavies have more, logis have less. Isn't that more than enough to show that logis aren't better assaults? Maybe you should add value to that sidearm instead of telling a logi where to stand and what to carry.

Then all suits must have equally balanced EHP values to make all classes equal to one another with different slot lay out of the logi suit should be geared to allow it to better support the team with a variety of utility modules which replaces its capacity to exploit EHP modules.

Even though OP post is incredibly stupid with his fail logic and lack of knowledge in armor tanking suits I'd like to say that armor will always have more HP than shields.

That's just the way it is and that's the way it's always been.

why would you want to go armor when flux massdriver is the newthing?

Huh, must be my turn to shine then. Let me ask you something, did you do the math with PG/CPU? Because if I am not mistaken that suit has no room for equipment, a weapon above basic, or high slot modules.

Silly Blackstar. It doesn't matter as long as you *can* fit the massive tank. EFT warrioring at its finest! Nobody needs a weapon or equipment when you're an immobile suicide tower.

/sarcasm

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Same of Logi you don't need tons of EHP to play logi you should be slightly behind the assaults who should be slightly behind the heavies. All a Logi needs to do is stay alive and behind their front liners so they can rep, rez, and restock ammo, as well as be designated hackers etc.

So I did the math...
Logistics get inherent 5hp/s.
Gallente Logi also has 5 low slots.

Base armor HP * 1.25 (Skill bonus) = 225 HP
+
148.5 (Complex plate after the buff + 10%) * 4
=
819 armor
+
80 base shields * 1.25
=
919
+
72.6 (single extender)
=
991.6 HP


Now, you got 1 low slot for a armor repairer, which puts you at 11.65 hp/s.
And you got two high slots, for either even more shields, OR two complex damage mods.

So in total:
991.6 eHP
11.65hp/s regen
+20% damage
And four equipment slots


I've said it before and I'll say it again:
Drop the inherent 5hp/s regen and remove the extra high/low slots they got from the assault variant.

as someone that runs gallente logi and assault suits, I've found that For Me, the ideal fitting is an omni regen tank.

i don't tend to run anything above advanced :P

high:
extender
damage mod

Low:
regulator
plates
Repper

Equip:
Various fits but usually

remote repper
uplink/injector
hive

flux nade and ASR

I have various deviations on the theme, including using an Energizer in a high slot to boost the effectiveness of the regulator, and running reactive plates instead of a repper to take advantage of the inherent logi suit reps.

I run a gal logi proto sniper so with this armour boost counter sniping me is more difficult whoop

omni tank regen allows my shields to cover my armor regen, making the armor regen that much more useful. I have no problems slaying, but do prefer to logi. If i get annoyed with MD spam i break out my Amarr logi suits or a gallente Assault. :P.. same goes for lav spam and swarms...

So I did the math...
Logistics get inherent 5hp/s.
Gallente Logi also has 5 low slots.

Base armor HP * 1.25 (Skill bonus) = 225 HP
+
148.5 (Complex plate after the buff + 10%) * 4
=
819 armor
+
80 base shields * 1.25
=
919
+
72.6 (single extender)
=
991.6 HP


Now, you got 1 low slot for a armor repairer, which puts you at 11.65 hp/s.
And you got two high slots, for either even more shields, OR two complex damage mods.

So in total:
991.6 eHP
11.65hp/s regen
+20% damage
And four equipment slots


I've said it before and I'll say it again:
Drop the inherent 5hp/s regen and remove the extra high/low slots they got from the assault variant.