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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
1060
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Posted - 2013.08.14 12:38:00 -
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Argon Gas wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Did the fitting for the Gallente logistics, and it is possible but there are some caveats that would mean this suit will not be abused in this way. First of all the suit will move at 4.09 m/s, thats almost the speed of a heavy without the same HP, absolutely no room for equipment not even a hive, if using a Duvolle and it requires 5/5 fitting skills. Also because of how limiting the speed is nobody is going to make this type of suit, also this type of suit is currently possible just with lower HP but it is also possible with every other suit but because of the speed penalties nobody uses it, thus it doesn't exist now and it won't exist then.
The Assault gk.0 can get be built slightly the same, but with 100 armor HP less. The difference is that it also has to resort to a Gek-38 and has lower repair (again I believe CCP will add passive armor), on the plus side it has higher shield repair and a speed of 4.51 m/s which is way faster than the logistics.
The main problem is the inherent 5hp/s. 6.5hp/s is **** slow, I can't see myself using three plates on my assault. But 11.65hp/s? Heck yeah I will stack plates. Also, the difference between a duvolle and a GEK is minor at best, I never use a duvolle.
Well until assault suits start carrying repair tools I really don't think we should lose this skill, you should add in the fact a good Logi will keep you repped not constantly, but when your armor needs a polish.
All suits will stack plates not just the Gallente logistics.
The assault has a faster shield repair, so its practically a trade off.
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Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
805
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Posted - 2013.08.14 12:39:00 -
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Argon Gas wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:4 complex plates = 48 pg. 1 complex repper = 11 pg 2 complex damage mods = 18 pg 1 complex shield extender = 11 pg. Duvolle = 11 pg (8 with fitting optimization)
That's 99 pg without any nades or equips...Yeah...you'd need all core skills maxxed out, couldn't run much for nades, and no equips. I have 102 pg. with all core skills decked out.
/thread and the move speed penalty for that stacking included would still bring you down to 4.09 move speed....which is slow as ****. Funny, because I can fit it on my logi right now. 1 Complex repper. 4x Complex plates. 1x Complex shield extender 1x Complex damage mod 1x Enhanced damage mod 1x GEK (I don't use duvolles, I see them as pointless since the performance boost is very minor) 1x M1 Locus Grenade 1x Ishukone hive
Ah only 1 complex mod and one enhanced. Now we're talking. So a person using a duvolle and 2 damage mods will do significantly more damage. m1's are good, but still no repping hive and still slow as ****.
But yes you are only using 101 of 102 pg there, and have sucessfuly turned the logibro into a armor tank. But notice it's not like the caldari before...able to get 1k hp and fit duvolle single damage mod, and hive's. it'llstill have a slower shield recharge than the once OP lolcallogi, won't get a 4 and 6 second shield delay like the cal logi had meaning that one core locus and 780 armor is gone if they look at you funny. You're also gonna be forge bait. I'll still go with a 600 armor suit that can move and 2 triage hives over this fit. it's /yawn |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
383
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Posted - 2013.08.14 12:40:00 -
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Argon Gas wrote:Jack McReady wrote: first of all, enhanced plate lose 27 hp afters skills and second, you cleary dont know how stacking penalty works
I do. I lose less and less per plate. This isn't really a "penalty" but I couldn't think of a name. haha you obviously have no clue, stacking penalty does not apply for the speed penalty =D
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Lazy Scumbag
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
24
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Posted - 2013.08.14 12:43:00 -
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I'm guessing OP is not an armor tanker. Locus grenades, flaylocks, and mass drivers all do insane damage to armor. A 20% resistance to explosive damage on shields versus 20% bonus to armor means a militia locus grenade (400 dmg) will do 320 dmg to shields and 480 to armor. Add to that the months of flaylocks we just endured, and the boom in mass drivers... armor needs help for balance. So we have weapons that can get kills without much aiming versus mercs too slow to retreat? Way too early to be crying OP.
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Heavy Breaks
No Free Pass
168
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Posted - 2013.08.14 12:43:00 -
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Argon Gas wrote:Heavy Breaks wrote:Argon Gas wrote:So I did the math... Logistics get inherent 5hp/s. Gallente Logi also has 5 low slots.
Base armor HP * 1.25 (Skill bonus) = 225 HP + 148.5 (Complex plate after the buff + 10%) * 4 = 819 armor + 80 base shields * 1.25 = 919 + 72.6 (single extender) = 991.6 HP
Now, you got 1 low slot for a armor repairer, which puts you at 11.65 hp/s. And you got two high slots, for either even more shields, OR two complex damage mods.
So in total: 991.6 eHP
11.65hp/s regen +20% damage And four equipment slots
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Drop the inherent 5hp/s regen and remove the extra high/low slots they got from the assault variant. This guy needs locking in a cage somewhere and NEVER be allowed to post on any forum ever again! Why? For speaking the truth? I'm a Gallente Assault/Logi, I got access to both proto versions. This is going to be an awesome month for me until the logi gets nerfed :)
Because my alt is a Gal logi / assault also, why on earth would you even mention OP Gallente!? You know this is how the nerf process begins right?
Stop it before it begins! |
Argon Gas
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2013.08.14 12:47:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Argon Gas wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Did the fitting for the Gallente logistics, and it is possible but there are some caveats that would mean this suit will not be abused in this way. First of all the suit will move at 4.09 m/s, thats almost the speed of a heavy without the same HP, absolutely no room for equipment not even a hive, if using a Duvolle and it requires 5/5 fitting skills. Also because of how limiting the speed is nobody is going to make this type of suit, also this type of suit is currently possible just with lower HP but it is also possible with every other suit but because of the speed penalties nobody uses it, thus it doesn't exist now and it won't exist then.
The Assault gk.0 can get be built slightly the same, but with 100 armor HP less. The difference is that it also has to resort to a Gek-38 and has lower repair (again I believe CCP will add passive armor), on the plus side it has higher shield repair and a speed of 4.51 m/s which is way faster than the logistics.
The main problem is the inherent 5hp/s. 6.5hp/s is **** slow, I can't see myself using three plates on my assault. But 11.65hp/s? Heck yeah I will stack plates. Also, the difference between a duvolle and a GEK is minor at best, I never use a duvolle. Well until assault suits start carrying repair tools I really don't think we should lose this skill, you should add in the fact a good Logi will keep you repped not constantly, but when your armor needs a polish. All suits will stack plates not just the Gallente logistics. The assault has a faster shield repair, so its practically a trade off. Yes because I totally want shield regen over inherent 5hp/s on my GALLENTE assault >_> |
Argon Gas
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2013.08.14 12:53:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Argon Gas wrote:Jack McReady wrote: first of all, enhanced plate lose 27 hp afters skills and second, you cleary dont know how stacking penalty works
I do. I lose less and less per plate. This isn't really a "penalty" but I couldn't think of a name. haha you obviously have no clue, stacking penalty does not apply for the speed penalty =D Actually it does :D You're the one without a clue, Gallente have been using this fact to create better fits since 1.2. |
kiro of justice
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2013.08.14 12:55:00 -
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Someone get the OP out of here. He's the reason every gun and suit in this game is gonna blow.
An Effective fit =/= OP |
Argon Gas
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2013.08.14 12:58:00 -
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kiro of justice wrote:Someone get the OP out of here. He's the reason every gun and suit in this game is gonna blow.
An Effective fit =/= OP The Gallente Logi being a better frontline soldier than a Gallente assault. How is that NOT OP? |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
1061
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Posted - 2013.08.14 13:48:00 -
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Argon Gas wrote:kiro of justice wrote:Someone get the OP out of here. He's the reason every gun and suit in this game is gonna blow.
An Effective fit =/= OP The Gallente Logi being a better frontline soldier than a Gallente assault. How is that NOT OP?
Gallente logistics will not be OP because nobody is going to use this fitting with 4 complex armor modules, that would put the logistics at 4.09 m/s that is extremely slow. Actually I created the same fit you suggested on a Caldari Logistics and it gets 971 EHP with 4.24 m/s and the same repair, so if anything go complain about the CaLogi because at least that one has playable speed.
What this update does is put the Logistics suits at higher HP and armor repair than the Assault counterpart, which is actually good because if we have more HP we can do our real job better, and it compensates for the lower speed. The only thing I would change is that the Assault role bonus is changed into 2% damage per level on light weapons and damage modifiers are removed from the game. |
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Lorhak Gannarsein
DUST University Ivy League
149
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Posted - 2013.08.14 13:50:00 -
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Yeah, I kinda agree with (is this Cat Merc?) OP here. There's no good reason for the GalLogi to have such vastly superior tank to the Assault. |
Argon Gas
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2013.08.14 13:56:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Yeah, I kinda agree with (is this Cat Merc?) OP here. There's no good reason for the GalLogi to have such vastly superior tank to the Assault. Meow |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
1061
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Posted - 2013.08.14 13:58:00 -
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Argon Gas wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Yeah, I kinda agree with (is this Cat Merc?) OP here. There's no good reason for the GalLogi to have such vastly superior tank to the Assault. Meow
Anybody can meow Meow |
Washlee
Pure Innocence. EoN.
252
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Posted - 2013.08.14 14:13:00 -
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Good thing half of the community is using the mass driver now |
Mamertine Son
R.E.B.E.L.S
119
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Posted - 2013.08.14 14:17:00 -
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richiesutie 2 wrote:so i did some more math and the gallentai logi can beat the cal logi by 88hp in raw hp with the cal maxing at 1173 hp and the gal at 1261. aswell as this if the suits were going up against explosive weaponry the the gal still wins but only by 1.25hp.i think something went wrong with that second calc im gonna repeat it. EDIT: GAL wins!!!! and both suits had a unskilled duvolle fitted
Um... is anyone else seeing a problem with this whole logi thing?
I'm lucky if I can get 600(total)hp on my assault and logis seem to be able to fit almost double that. Did we at some point decide to make logi's the real front liners?
I guess I was a bit of a noob who saw thrown off by the wording. I saw 'Assault' and was like 'I can f stuff up with this' and the word logi and thought 'pff... why would I wanna support my team?'
If I had known I would have spec'd into logi. |
Travi Zyg
G I A N T EoN.
91
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Posted - 2013.08.14 14:28:00 -
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Argon Gas wrote:Vyzion Eyri wrote:Smart people will keep shield tanking because there will be a rise in usage of explosive weaponry to counter the resurge of popularity with armour tanking. Slow-moving heavies with slow-moving logistics players sticking with them? Flux + MD, free double kill. Therefore, CCP has simply indirectly restated their preference for shields. Armour supporters have been checkmated. Your move, community. - Oh how I love inciting revolutionary zeal. You don't have enough shots in your clip to take out 1000 eHP :S As for the CPU/PG requirements: I did this fit and it fits just fine. I have to give up my equipment except for a proto hive, but still, damn that's a powerful suit.
dont need a clip to take your 1000 eHP out...my minnie scout will run down your silly plated slow suit in seconds and you can take a charged knife shot right to the back...bye bye 1000 eHP with proto knives, lvl 5 proficiency and lvl 5 minnie scout suit. |
LoveNewlooy
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
58
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Posted - 2013.08.14 14:35:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Did the fitting for the Gallente logistics, and it is possible but there are some caveats that would mean this suit will not be abused in this way. First of all the suit will move at 4.09 m/s, thats almost the speed of a heavy without the same HP, absolutely no room for equipment not even a hive, if using a Duvolle and it requires 5/5 fitting skills. Also because of how limiting the speed is nobody is going to make this type of suit, also this type of suit is currently possible just with lower HP but it is also possible with every other suit but because of the speed penalties nobody uses it, thus it doesn't exist now and it won't exist then.
The Assault gk.0 can get be built slightly the same, but with 100 armor HP less. The difference is that it also has to resort to a Gek-38 and has lower repair (again I believe CCP will add passive armor), on the plus side it has higher shield repair and a speed of 4.51 m/s which is way faster than the logistics.
nobody is going to make this type of suit? i do that suit and i almost alway at top list leaderboad. |
HYENAKILLER X
TEAM SHINOBI
170
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Posted - 2013.08.14 14:38:00 -
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Logi can only be op against noobs. In real battles they run out of ammo.
You can have all the armor you want, but wirhout bullets who cares. Plus armor tanking effects speed. Its a great suit but assualt in nuetral territory always wins. |
LoveNewlooy
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
58
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Posted - 2013.08.14 14:46:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:Logi can only be op against noobs. In real battles they run out of ammo.
You can have all the armor you want, but wirhout bullets who cares. Plus armor tanking effects speed. Its a great suit but assualt in nuetral territory always wins. well there a thing call supply depot. |
Mamertine Son
R.E.B.E.L.S
120
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Posted - 2013.08.14 14:48:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:Logi can only be op against noobs. In real battles they run out of ammo.
You can have all the armor you want, but wirhout bullets who cares. Plus armor tanking effects speed. Its a great suit but assualt in nuetral territory always wins.
I run out of ammo all time. When that happens I go get more. Someone is bound to drop a hive or a there is sometimes a depot nearby. |
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Argon Gas
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2013.08.14 14:55:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:Logi can only be op against noobs. In real battles they run out of ammo.
You can have all the armor you want, but wirhout bullets who cares. Plus armor tanking effects speed. Its a great suit but assualt in nuetral territory always wins. Wait what? A logi has 4 equipment slots. That means 4 nanohives. That means he can have more ammo than 4 assaults. |
LoveNewlooy
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
58
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Posted - 2013.08.14 14:58:00 -
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Argon Gas wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:Logi can only be op against noobs. In real battles they run out of ammo.
You can have all the armor you want, but wirhout bullets who cares. Plus armor tanking effects speed. Its a great suit but assualt in nuetral territory always wins. Wait what? A logi has 4 equipment slots. That means 4 nanohives. That means he can have more ammo than 4 assaults.
u cant have any hives if u put all ur pg on armor plates
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Argon Gas
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2013.08.14 15:06:00 -
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LoveNewlooy wrote:Argon Gas wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:Logi can only be op against noobs. In real battles they run out of ammo.
You can have all the armor you want, but wirhout bullets who cares. Plus armor tanking effects speed. Its a great suit but assualt in nuetral territory always wins. Wait what? A logi has 4 equipment slots. That means 4 nanohives. That means he can have more ammo than 4 assaults. u cant have any hives if u put all ur pg on armor plates and Dmg moludes Funny, because I did, I have a proto hive on my suit. That's in fact more than I could fit on my Assault, that has K-2, worse tank and same damage. |
LoveNewlooy
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
59
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Posted - 2013.08.14 15:14:00 -
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Argon Gas wrote:LoveNewlooy wrote:Argon Gas wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:Logi can only be op against noobs. In real battles they run out of ammo.
You can have all the armor you want, but wirhout bullets who cares. Plus armor tanking effects speed. Its a great suit but assualt in nuetral territory always wins. Wait what? A logi has 4 equipment slots. That means 4 nanohives. That means he can have more ammo than 4 assaults. u cant have any hives if u put all ur pg on armor plates and Dmg moludes Funny, because I did, I have a proto hive on my suit. That's in fact more than I could fit on my Assault, that has K-2, worse tank and same damage. well it mean u have no nadas or u using gek 38.not everyone using same weapon. if u combo ASCR with core nadas u dont even have a hives to use =) ofc with 2 complex modules as well |
Argon Gas
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2013.08.14 15:17:00 -
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LoveNewlooy wrote:Argon Gas wrote:LoveNewlooy wrote:Argon Gas wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:Logi can only be op against noobs. In real battles they run out of ammo.
You can have all the armor you want, but wirhout bullets who cares. Plus armor tanking effects speed. Its a great suit but assualt in nuetral territory always wins. Wait what? A logi has 4 equipment slots. That means 4 nanohives. That means he can have more ammo than 4 assaults. u cant have any hives if u put all ur pg on armor plates and Dmg moludes Funny, because I did, I have a proto hive on my suit. That's in fact more than I could fit on my Assault, that has K-2, worse tank and same damage. well it mean u have no nadas or u using gek 38.not everyone using same weapon. if u combo ASCR with core nadas u dont even have a hives to use =) I use M1 grenades on both. I use a GEK because I don't see the need for a duvolle. (On both the assault and the logi)
Both suits are maxed out. |
LoveNewlooy
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
59
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Posted - 2013.08.14 15:22:00 -
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that why u have enough pg for hive but if u go on ascr it cost u **** load of pg
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Argon Gas
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2013.08.14 15:24:00 -
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LoveNewlooy wrote:that why u have enough pg for hive but if u go on ascr it cost u **** load of pg
So what? If I put it on my assault I wouldn't have PG for a K-2 either.
My point still stands, Logi > Assault. |
LoveNewlooy
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
60
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Posted - 2013.08.14 15:30:00 -
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like i said if u go full complex plates with max dmg (proto weapon and 2x dmg modules) u cant put hive on it.
anyway who need hives when u on pc all ur teammate drop hive for you XD |
Argon Gas
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2013.08.14 15:33:00 -
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LoveNewlooy wrote:like i said if u go full complex plates with max dmg (proto weapon and 2x dmg modules) u cant put hive on it.
anyway who need hives when u on pc all ur teammate drop hive for you XD I can't put a hive on my assault either. Again Your point? In fact, it's much worse because I got a LOT less CPU/PG. |
LoveNewlooy
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
60
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Posted - 2013.08.14 15:35:00 -
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Argon Gas wrote:LoveNewlooy wrote:like i said if u go full complex plates with max dmg (proto weapon and 2x dmg modules) u cant put hive on it.
anyway who need hives when u on pc all ur teammate drop hive for you XD I can't put a hive on my assault either. Again Your point? In fact, it's much worse because I got a LOT less CPU/PG. my point is who need hive for amno when u have teammate drop it for u
didnt we all talking hives for amno? XD |
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