If the safety was implemented, what do you think of the idea that a direct hit would still do damage but not explode if within the minimum arming distance?

Again its been the same since 1.1. We are in 1.3 nobody complained now they complain about it because more people use it now? That's pathetic. It's fine where it is. It has risk using it in cqc. You want to remove that and make have to rely on a side arm close up? ....ha yet the assault rifle can hip fire super good?

Which MD are they using? How frequent is this happening? Full squads are using ARs alot more than MDs, nerf them too? All you're doing is just making broad assumptions, and screaming nerf everything based on those assumptions. All you are doing is nerfing 2 variants already working as intended(well 1 is UP) because of 1 variant that is debatably working as intended. Carrying a side-arm patches up every weapon in the game, traveling along with a squad patches up every weapon in the game, this has absolutely nothing to do with the MD and how it should operate.

You've yet to explain why such a change is needed for the variants that are already working as intended. All of this again is based on one variant. Why not make it so that Laser or Sniper Rifles are unable to fire at enemies within 5-10 meters? It makes no sense to nerf a weapon that way, all that is needed is splash being detected on Standard like the Assault in CQC. There situational CQC weapon. Go further and swap the RoF of the Standard and Breach and you have balanced weapon.

I can't support this idea any more. Nothing confuses me more than getting killed by a MD at < 5m and not having the other guy die as well. A minimum arming distance would still reward accuracy in CQC ranges while reducing the noob-tube grief surrounding the weapon.

I mentioned this earlier and of course it got ignored: What if they revert the grenade physics back to Chromosone? Slower velocity and a more drastic falloff would force people to stop trying to use it in CQC.

This is not a proper method for assessing balance. By that reasoning the entire AR line is #1 on the chopping block and the militia/standard gear of all kinds is in line for a nerf much more than the higher meta varations.

Seeing a specific weapon, or even more so weapon sub-type, commonly on the field can certainly call enough attention to be worth testing but it is not, in and of itself, a specific indication of any mechanical flaw with the weapon in question.


"Real world" is an incredibly improper metric to advise game balance. Combat and weapons are NOT balanced in the real world and being as how balance is vital to robust, enjoyable, game play that pushes "real world" motivations into the category of role play, i.e. "fine for amusement bad for mechanics".

Further, and I've raised this point within the thread before, even if we look at "real world" methods the world in question must be the universe of New Eden not 2013 Earth. Immortal Clones who will willingly step through blackhole portals which are excruciating and cause cancer won't care at all if they blow themselves and their 7k ISK fitting to pieces so long as they take 40k+ enemy assets with them. That immortal merc is going to respawn in a new clone on the same battlefield with a smirk under his/her helmet and a higher payday waiting at the end of the battle. There is no logical lore (aka "real world) reason for the weaponry of clone soldiers to contain safeties.... in fact if it did we wouldn't have weapons with overheat (unless the presumption is that overheat somehow [i]is] the safety and highly advance space faring cultures just can't be bothered to do one right... in which case we're back to the concept of having none at all).

Lastly, call it what you will, any change to the mechanics of a piece of gear which makes it less effective is a nerf, and change which makes it more effective is a buff. The exception to this is that some vicarious effects resulting from larger changes such as bug fixes are just that, fixes to mechanics that are not working as intended.

Examples:
Fixing the hit detection is not a nerf or buff to any weapon/armor but it may expose current imbalances which need addressed.
Fine tuning the efficiency profile for explosive weapons most certainly is a nerf to all of them but it is a nerf that is called for to refine/improve overall game balance.


Third point at the risk of repeating myself, I still haven't seen an explanation of how any system like the one suggested in the OP could even theoretically be implemented and function. How would it work "under the hood" within the mechanics of the game? I'm not saying it's impossible, I don't know all the ins and outs of the engine enough to say that, but I am saying based on what I do understand such a mechanic simply does not seem viable, from a purely functional perspective leaving questions of game balance completely aside.

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In the real world, there aren't respawns and grenade launchers can OHK you.

Why aren't my Grenades OTKing Infantry with a 15m splash at the least? Stop trying to bring real-world mechanics to a futuristic videogame. CCP designed MDs this way. To say that they should be nerfed because it doesn't match its Real-world counterpart exactly, despite what it does to the game's design is stupid. As of right now 2 variants are not OP, one is being debated, and there is currently no reason to widespread nerf the MD in-game.

The Assault is NOT a CQC weapon it is designed to be a support weapon, if you use it in CQC you will most likely die. Working as intended.

The Breach IS a CQC weapon despite its real-world counterpart not being one, because CCP designed the Breach to be this way. Working as Intended.

The Freedom needs splash detection fixed, and MAYBE a RoF nerf to make Breach more viable. That's it.

Quick additional on this one, were you aware that there is an in game chat devoted specifically to gathering MD users to play together in full squads (or as close as their able based on who's currently logged in) ?

There is indeed such a chat and it was formed in response to the heavy nerf of the MD CCP applied during the transition from Chrome to Uprising as a method of trying to find ways that the MD could still be fun and effective despite it's status (at that point) as essentially a poor joke. Since that time CCP has fixed some client/latency issues which were negatively impacting the MD and the overall MD line is much more effective now, but the channel remains active.

This is worth noting because there is a specific in game precedence for squads of MD to deploy together because the weapon is underpowered (remember this balance assessment was from a prior patch) so presuming that just because a whole squad deployed with it that somehow proves the weapon is OP, is demonstrably inaccurate.

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I was going to simply ignore this post but I'm so tired of people like you, it's really pathetic. You want to speak real world? Okay
Real World fact 1. Grenades and grenade launchers are always ohk or damages enough to take someone out of the battle.
Real World fact 2. Most weapons are enough to take someone out in less than 3 shots.
Real World fact 3. You don't have a drop suit to protect you....
See where I'm going? You can't freaking compare "real world" with a freaking sci-fi game. Also, you shouldn't even have to worry about killing yourself because you're a freaking clone. If you kill yourself and take someone out with you, your doing your job. Your brain gets transported into a other clone and guess what? Back to the freaking battle, hurry on gotta take out more reds. Minimum arming distance is stupid, and currently ccp is checking something out on the splash damage. It isn't the weapon itself, it has to do with the latency of the server and the way people appears close up is not accurate. And you're going to waste your time complaining about gun that is only effective at certain situations? Yet the assault rifle holds the crown as the most effective gun? Guess what! Real World fact for you buddy!!! Hit detection and aiming system is messed up!!! And guess what buddy? The assault rifle is still super accurate! !! Imagine how more accurate it'll be once this update kicks in. Real World fact, soldiers don't have aim assist. But dust is going to have a new and improved aim assist. Guess what that means? Semi automatic and full automatic snipers! Time to get my level 5 ar out.

I own bpos so idc about dying if i can take a few people out I'm killing myself. And using the mass driver in cqc isn't ideal in the wrong hands just saying. When I first started using it I killed myself more than I killed them. Takes time to get used to how it works. And just wait until they fix hit detection. Mass driver wouldn't be much of an issue. Shotgun are gonna seem op because it will kill in 2-3 hits. Than people will cry op.

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I agree with Eddie.

How does this prove anything

It's not good enough for the community. They want it nerfed to the ground