Not as mad as you when there's AV on the field, QQ more and tell us why you should be invincible in your toy

There was one av on the field vs four tanks. Why do you think that it would go well? Put points into av and enjoy being OP

So just now I went into a pub skirmish match and the opposing team (no exaggeration) had 4 Tanks and 1 dropship. These weren't just militia tanks either these were top of the line your miltia AV won't make a dent tanks. So after being pushed to one outside objective, and eventually none, half the team switched to AV. We even coordinated to all fire on one tank in order to take it down. In the whole match we took down 2....... one being milita called in later. We had mostly AV but also one guy using Proto AV. Militia Forge guns and swarms didn't make a dent. The dropship went down, but it was foolish enough to stick around despite half the team firing swarms at it (no sympathy).

All in all is was a fun match, AV versus tanks running around trying to pick them off from the hills. Even with minimal success it was quite enjoyable. This team of tankers had a place and they worked well.

So what is my problem? If 6 militia AV can barely dent these standard tanks, then why all the QQ?
Is it the cost? Retreat was always an option for them but they never had to.
Is it the "OP" AV? You'd need 3 dedicated proto AV fits to take down one of those tanks.

So I'm starting to understand that many tankers have this mentality that anything other than a tank that can take them out is OP, regardless of how they use their tank.

Not as mad as you when theres AV on the field, QQ more and tell us why you should be invincible in your toy

I never sympathized with them. The QQ'rs just want to be able to solo wreck the enemy team. Any decent tank crew has very little to worry about from AV in most cases.

Aside from the fact that the have a very long rang with little/no fall off, and that PROTO AV is very easy to get? Did I mention that it is very hard, sometimes impossible to find decent AV players because of invisa-swams, and no smoke trail from FG's? yea, be quiet scrub.

My whole argument is that I don't want to be solo'd. Is that so much to ask for?

Oh no, that math did take reduced efficiency into account, if you got enough people you could kill a tank with TAR's. and are you really one to call vehicles users bullshitters? As far as I've been playing this game (since the start of the year) it's the infantry who's consistently come up with the most ridiculous QQ topics and call for nerfs, and they've always flooded the forum with it.

And you wont be solo'd unless you suck, how is that a difficult concept for tankers to understand?
Guy gets close enough to spam you with enough nades to die thats your fault
Get killed my swarms with their tendency to blow up on terrain and **** poor travel time, thats your fault
Forges you could maybe make the argument for but hey you are the only ones who have to deal with forge gunners sitting on rooftops since they shoot everyone and you have the luxury of not being killed in a single shot

So HTFU

I haven't heard the word scrub since 1995. Get with it.

And you wont be solo'd unless you suck, how is that a difficult concept for tankers to understand?
Guy gets close enough to spam you with enough nades to die thats your fault
Get killed my swarms with their tendency to blow up on terrain and **** poor travel time, thats your fault
Forges you could maybe make the argument for but hey you are the only ones who have to deal with forge gunners sitting on rooftops since they shoot everyone and you have the luxury of not being killed in a single shot

So HTFU

your team musta sucked @ss cuz i can pretty much solo a gunnlogi with a STD swarm launcher and Packed av Nades, i have no clue where the fk you geys got your info.... trying being sneeky and use AV nades their the most OP weapon in the game, use them to your hearts content!! :O

Lol

Trying to get a better shot that's not in the redline means I suck. If it's a protostomp, I stay in the redline, or in the MCC if I get killed.

"Enough grenades"

3 Packed Lai Dai puts out about 6400 damage against armor. By the time I get up to speed, well... I'm not up to speed, because I'm dead after the 5th grenade. Haven't you realized yet how easy it is to solo a tank? How stupidly pathetically easy it is?

Then heres why vehicles are like they are now:
There used to be these tanks called Sagaris and Surya and when you had two of them on the field and you had ten, TEN!! PROTO! AV!! you ended up with ten DEAD! INFANTRY AV.
It was the days of any tanker going 20 and 0 every game!!

It was the days of well fit tanks going 50 and 0 EVERY GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was the days of to kill a Sagaris or a Surya it was only if the phone distracted the tankers since proto AV by infantry was a joke.

Then came the days of dropships going 60 and 0 and well fit dropships going 100 and 0
Thats not a typo it really was 100 and 0 with an invincible flying gunship.

Thats why vehicles are the way they are today.

I have those grenades and against a STUPID tanker yeah its five to seven grenades and its a dead tank.
When its a SMART tanker its one or two grenades and then its these results:
Madrugar....Tech Ohm Eaven Died, Madrugar and Tech DIED, Madrugar and Tech DIED, Madrugar and sigh....Tech DIED.

So just now I went into a pub skirmish match and the opposing team (no exaggeration) had 4 Tanks and 1 dropship. These weren't just militia tanks either these were top of the line your miltia AV won't make a dent tanks. So after being pushed to one outside objective, and eventually none, half the team switched to AV. We even coordinated to all fire on one tank in order to take it down. In the whole match we took down 2....... one being milita called in later. We had mostly AV but also one guy using Proto AV. Militia Forge guns and swarms didn't make a dent. The dropship went down, but it was foolish enough to stick around despite half the team firing swarms at it (no sympathy).

All in all is was a fun match, AV versus tanks running around trying to pick them off from the hills. Even with minimal success it was quite enjoyable. This team of tankers had a place and they worked well.

So what is my problem? If 6 militia AV can barely dent these standard tanks, then why all the QQ?
Is it the cost? Retreat was always an option for them but they never had to.
Is it the "OP" AV? You'd need 3 dedicated proto AV fits to take down one of those tanks.

So I'm starting to understand that many tankers have this mentality that anything other than a tank that can take them out is OP, regardless of how they use their tank.

NOTE: THIS IS NOT QQ, I HAD FUN!!!!

Those were the days when you couldn't solo tanks. You complained, so CCP nerfed tanks until you could. That's also when the vehicle-vehicle dynamic was perfect. If you didn't maintain situational awareness at all times among the squad, any tanks out would get popped instantly.

Those were also the days when a glass cannon Soma could two-shot everything.

stupid tanker people complain because a forgegunner/proto swarm with la di grenades can pretty much solo anything dumb tank in a matter of seconds

Geez, having been in Beta during these rather unpleasant days, despite tanking being a lot harder now they are far more realistic.

You do of course realize that real world tanks get 'solo'd' all the time anyway?

Tank/Dropship stomping wasn't good for the game, despite the 'l33t' freaks thinking it's pretty awesome. And i'm a sometimes tanker, who mostly sucks.

CCP is going to have to be very careful with the higher tier tanks or they risk getting back into that situation.

As a tanker, if i dumped 10 mil SP into tanks (ONLY tanks), then militia AV shouldn't put a dent in my tank. I'd never complain about getting taken out by enemy AV, because if and when I do get taken down, it'll be by an adversary who's skilled into AV. I feel the balance of tank versus AV is ok. If AV personnel put a significant amount of SP into AV, it's only right that they are effective against my tank. You won't see me QQ when i get taken down. I'll blame it on my tactics, or my fit before i scream buff the tanks! then again, that's just me. there are alot of QQ tankers out there, however.

The other issue is that tankers don't even have their proto tanks, yet proto AV is the only viable way to take down tanks now (unless they are just terribad, poorly fitted, or somehow end up in the worst possible spot with several low-end AV players raining hell down upon them).

When tankers get their proto tanks back, our proto AV will become advanced AV, and they will just shrug us off like little insects biting at their ankles.


if CCP doesn't buff the crap out of AV when proto tanks get released back in the wild, it's going to be a VERY rough couple of months until it eventually gets balanced out. It's already bad enough as it is now. Tanks are the iwin button of ambush, and while I don't play skirmish, I would imagine it is the same there.