You're crying because militia gear couldn't kill non militia tanks.

Jesus Christ.

Just as bad as the people crying that their AR can't kill tanks.

And what's wrong with known tankers having that kind of truce if they happen to go against each other? If that happened to me, with one or two more other prominent tankers on my side, and a couple of other prominent tankers on the other side, I'd start up a chat real quick to make sure we purposely avoid each other. Do you see a problem with that? I'd absolutely maneuver myself to take incoming friendly swarms if a red tank is about to get trashed, should we have an agreement between us that I don't get grenaded to the scrap heap.

Actually you missed a thread back during the OP days of the tac AR, in it, it was calculated that a prototype TAR was doing more DPS than an advanced large blaster turret, and that furthermore with several people concentrating fire it would be possible to kill well fitted tanks relatively quickly. Despite the ludicrousness of this people were still defending the TAR.

Also complaining about militia AV being useless? Of course it's useless, you need some incentive to spec out of it don't you? And it's blatantly clear that the vehicle/AV balance needs some major work, things are kinda bad right now.

LOL How is that dead weight? If 4 tankers on either side have an agreement not to fire on each other, and I'm protecting them from my team's AV, mostly for laughs to teach infantry a lesson, how is that dead weight? I'd also be killing red infantry, as well as plowing into blue LAVs.

It's a damn pub match, it's not helping FW or PC. It means nothing.

Oh no, that math did take reduced efficiency into account, if you got enough people you could kill a tank with TAR's. and are you really one to call vehicles users bullshitters? As far as I've been playing this game (since the start of the year) it's the infantry who's consistently come up with the most ridiculous QQ topics and call for nerfs, and they've always flooded the forum with it.

My whole argument is that I don't want to be solo'd. Is that so much to ask for?

Video you see of real tanks being "solo'd" is probably a couple of warheads strapped together, detonating simultaneously. Since we don't have those in Dust, well.... yeah.

Militia has std damage, higher fitting cost, and less ammo. less ammo=more time reloading=SIGNIFICANTLY reduced DPS.

regular swarm 4 shots.
militia swarm 2 shots.

both launch 4 missiles that deal 330 damage per missile and take one second to lock on and fire(travel removed as missiles would be reaching target at 1 second intervals) so that is a standing dps of 1320 per second

regular swarm can do 1320 dps for 4 seconds. In this time period, the militia will do 660 and have spent 2 seconds reloading.

they are in no way equal for their intended purpose. the proper way to take down a tank is high, sustained damage over time. the militia is at best, a minor distraction to a skilled into, well fit, properly driven tank.

My 7.5 million SP into my vehicles should invalidate your 0 into AV. Period. End of story. I have spent a mostly proto suit's SP into my standard vehicles(and only one type of tanking, shields) it should **** all over your nothing.

there is a massive gap between a proto-skilled std fit and a militia fit(50% hp, 15% extra damage, 15% faster reload, etc.). The only thing proto about tanks right now, besides turrets is the skill tree.

Scary part? I'm actually on the low end of vehicular warfare and skilling into it. and still have another 2.9 million to put into my enforcer tank for a 6 percent bonus to missiles, the redheaded stepchildren of turrets. and another 2 to max out my shielding tree, then comes finishing out hybrid turrets, thankfully, I'm only 720K from that. after that, I can start to branch out to other vehicles.

So, I only need to hit about 13-14 million to put out my core skills, turrets, finish off one tank, have my turrets ready(even though only 1-2 are worth a damn) then I can start all over again with armor tanks, go into murdertaxis, or take up the aerial self-screw.(Da Vinci joke. since dropships are something I'm happy to see on field. they're basically free, floating ISK to me and my rail turret.)

and keep in mind that I also maintain a ground suit for when there is ONE proto forger on the field. so I could also start skilling into that as well. then only a paltry 8 million and I'm good to go.

good thing it only takes someone with 2 million SP(proto forge on a militia heavy) to remove me(I'm either dead or running) from the field unless there are 4 of me, and coordinated to boot, or for once the blues actually kill the AV guys.

hell, let's highball that and say he's using a proto standard suit for the extra damage bonuses which he also skilled into. 4-5 million SP to kick me off the field.


and dust is pay to win. period. You want the best gear, conducive to winning the fight? Pay for it. Since tank players have to pay out the nose(a well fit STD tank is over a million) they should be significantly harder to kill.

now keep in mind that 2/3s of the time your swarms are invisible to us, and we generally can't trust our hit indicators because they blatantly lie about where we're getting hit from.

Keep in mind my shield tank is specifically built to defeat explosive weaponry. as in, those missiles only sting a little bit. DURR its the future and shield tech was made to combat explosives.

Invisible Swarms + Incorrect Hit Indicator Direction = Escaping in the wrong direction. If I shoot you in the Face w/ a BB Gun & your Body registers a Hit to your A*SHOLE, you will run forward to eat more Lead. Idiot posting Stupidity is Irrelevant, GTFO

This discussion was already had on these very Forums. Result??? Trophy System & w/e the Russian Variant was are capable of stopping Direct Fire as per ADVANCEMENTS in TECHNOLOGY. Learn2Forum, Learn2Research, The More You Know

"FUTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" - Squidward

It is not my Job nor Perogative to prove ANYTHING about Current & Future Gen V -> AV Relations. It was my intention to shut down your Incorrect & Irrelevant Statement with FACTS. Mission Accomplished. The Intention was to get your COMPLETELY Out-of-Place Argument on IRL Comparisons as far away from here as possible. You are an Incorrigible Ignoramus, thus Mission Incomplete. IRL BS has no place in Discussions about Balance in a Video Game. You are a MAJOR Contributing Factor in the De-Evolution of DUST 514 & should feel bad about it. But.....what the heck, I'll take my OP Trophy Tank since you so graciously want IRL "Balance". Screw that.....I'll just Spec into Stealth Nuke & call it a day

It's what you're implying. We're not all stupid.

LOL Impossible to prove. Nice strawman. You clearly lost, yet continue to argue with no ground to stand on.

sounds like you want this game to be more realistic, you are aware though people in real life who get shot once generally fall on the floor and are taken to hospital if there lucky.