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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.08.05 00:47:00 -
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So just now I went into a pub skirmish match and the opposing team (no exaggeration) had 4 Tanks and 1 dropship. These weren't just militia tanks either these were top of the line your miltia AV won't make a dent tanks. So after being puched to one outside objective and eventually non half the team switched to AV. We even coordinated to all fire on one tank in order to take it down. In the whole match we took down 2....... one being milita called in later. We had mostly AV but also one guy using Proto AV. Militia Forge guns and swarms didn't make a dent. The dropship went down, but it was foolish enough to stick around despite half the team firing swarms at it (no sympathy).
All in all is was a fun match, AV versus tanks running around trying to pick them off from the hills. Even with minimal success it was quite enjoyable. This team of tankers had a place and they worked well.
So what is my problem? If 6 militia AV can barely dent these standard tanks, then why all the QQ? Is it the cost? Retreat was always an option for them but they never had to. Is it the "OP" AV? You'd need 3 dedicated proto AV fits to take down one of those tanks.
So I'm starting to understand that many tankers have this mentality that anything other than a tank that can take them out is OP, regardless of how they use their tank.
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1585
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Posted - 2013.08.05 00:50:00 -
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They QQ precisely because it takes a squad to kill them, if they had their way they would be invulnerable to everything except possibly other tanks and even then they would just avoid each other to gank infantry |
Cat Merc
BetaMax.
3847
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Posted - 2013.08.05 00:52:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:They QQ precisely because it takes a squad to kill them, if they had their way they would be invulnerable to everything except possibly other tanks and even then they would just avoid each other to gank infantry /me pets his Proto swarms |
Eurydice Itzhak
Militaires Sans Jeux
160
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Posted - 2013.08.05 00:58:00 -
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You're crying because militia gear couldn't kill non militia tanks.
Jesus Christ.
Just as bad as the people crying that their AR can't kill tanks. |
cedz636
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
82
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:00:00 -
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As a tanker, if i dumped 10 mil SP into tanks (ONLY tanks), then militia AV shouldn't put a dent in my tank. I'd never complain about getting taken out by enemy AV, because if and when I do get taken down, it'll be by an adversary who's skilled into AV. I feel the balance of tank versus AV is ok. If AV personnel put a significant amount of SP into AV, it's only right that they are effective against my tank. You won't see me QQ when i get taken down. I'll blame it on my tactics, or my fit before i scream buff the tanks! then again, that's just me. there are alot of QQ tankers out there, however. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1587
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:00:00 -
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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:You're crying because militia gear couldn't kill non militia tanks.
Jesus Christ.
Just as bad as the people crying that their AR can't kill tanks.
I have never heard anyone say an AR should kill a tank and Ive been on this board for several months now You vehicle players always say the cutest things though |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
113
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:02:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:So just now I went into a pub skirmish match and the opposing team (no exaggeration) had 4 Tanks and 1 dropship. These weren't just militia tanks either these were top of the line your miltia AV won't make a dent tanks. So after being pushed to one outside objective and eventually non half the team switched to AV. We even coordinated to all fire on one tank in order to take it down. In the whole match we took down 2....... one being milita called in later. We had mostly AV but also one guy using Proto AV. Militia Forge guns and swarms didn't make a dent. The dropship went down, but it was foolish enough to stick around despite half the team firing swarms at it (no sympathy).
All in all is was a fun match, AV versus tanks running around trying to pick them off from the hills. Even with minimal success it was quite enjoyable. This team of tankers had a place and they worked well.
So what is my problem? If 6 militia AV can barely dent these standard tanks, then why all the QQ? Is it the cost? Retreat was always an option for them but they never had to. Is it the "OP" AV? You'd need 3 dedicated proto AV fits to take down one of those tanks.
So I'm starting to understand that many tankers have this mentality that anything other than a tank that can take them out is OP, regardless of how they use their tank. It's militia AV. It's supposed to be pretty weak. Then you have to consider angles, time to target, your target using cover, Logi bros, draw distance, swarm time out distance, and some people removing the damage mods in favor of max shields. Then take into account two targeting a tank, two each target two LAVs, and two targeting a dropship. That's at best. But then, consider, those six coordinated against just one of those targets. If it's a standard dropship with little to no shields, it's probably an insta-pop for 6 sets of volleys to hit it with a time difference of no more than 2 seconds. Put that towards anything else, it's near enough the same effect.
You're still basically complaining about tankers because your team wasn't coordinated. It's not our fault. That team you went up against could've had the good fortune to get a bunch of dedicated pilots on the same side.
It doesn't take more than one ADV AV person to keep a tank out of the fight. |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
113
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:04:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:They QQ precisely because it takes a squad to kill them, if they had their way they would be invulnerable to everything except possibly other tanks and even then they would just avoid each other to gank infantry And what's wrong with known tankers having that kind of truce if they happen to go against each other? If that happened to me, with one or two more other prominent tankers on my side, and a couple of other prominent tankers on the other side, I'd start up a chat real quick to make sure we purposely avoid each other. Do you see a problem with that? I'd absolutely maneuver myself to take incoming friendly swarms if a red tank is about to get trashed, should we have an agreement between us that I don't get grenaded to the scrap heap. |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
373
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:06:00 -
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We had a proto AV guy, he actually lost a lot of ISK trying to help us out. I could understand 2 mitita AV guys not being able to take out a tank moving in and out of cover, but we had at least 6 people running AV, and we were all shooting at one tank, and it barely did anything.
I love running with tanks, I want them to be tough, but even 3 Miltia Assaults can take down 1 Proto Assault. The tanks weren't even trying to avoid our fire. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
2947
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:07:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:You're crying because militia gear couldn't kill non militia tanks.
Jesus Christ.
Just as bad as the people crying that their AR can't kill tanks. I have never heard anyone say an AR should kill a tank and Ive been on this board for several months now You vehicle players always say the cutest things though Actually you missed a thread back during the OP days of the tac AR, in it, it was calculated that a prototype TAR was doing more DPS than an advanced large blaster turret, and that furthermore with several people concentrating fire it would be possible to kill well fitted tanks relatively quickly. Despite the ludicrousness of this people were still defending the TAR.
Also complaining about militia AV being useless? Of course it's useless, you need some incentive to spec out of it don't you? And it's blatantly clear that the vehicle/AV balance needs some major work, things are kinda bad right now. |
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1587
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:08:00 -
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CoD isAIDS wrote:Delta 749 wrote:They QQ precisely because it takes a squad to kill them, if they had their way they would be invulnerable to everything except possibly other tanks and even then they would just avoid each other to gank infantry And what's wrong with known tankers having that kind of truce if they happen to go against each other? If that happened to me, with one or two more other prominent tankers on my side, and a couple of other prominent tankers on the other side, I'd start up a chat real quick to make sure we purposely avoid each other. Do you see a problem with that? I'd absolutely maneuver myself to take incoming friendly swarms if a red tank is about to get trashed, should we have an agreement between us that I don't get grenaded to the scrap heap.
The problem is you not being a contributing member to the team if you do that The way I see it you are much dead weight as redline snipers and MCC AFKers
Although take that with a grain of salt since I AFK half the time as well |
10011101
Red Star. EoN.
25
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:08:00 -
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What corp was it? |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
1062
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:08:00 -
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it takes a squad of tankers w/ support to beat one proto AV. your post proves it. thanks. |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
373
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:09:00 -
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10011101 wrote:What corp was it?
Yours |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1588
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:10:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:You're crying because militia gear couldn't kill non militia tanks.
Jesus Christ.
Just as bad as the people crying that their AR can't kill tanks. I have never heard anyone say an AR should kill a tank and Ive been on this board for several months now You vehicle players always say the cutest things though Actually you missed a thread back during the OP days of the tac AR, in it, it was calculated that a prototype TAR was doing more DPS than an advanced large blaster turret, and that furthermore with several people concentrating fire it would be possible to kill well fitted tanks relatively quickly. Despite the ludicrousness of this people were still defending the TAR. Also complaining about militia AV being useless? Of course it's useless, you need some incentive to spec out of it don't you? And it's blatantly clear that the vehicle/AV balance needs some major work, things are kinda bad right now.
Ugh thats ********, did they all just happen to magically forget that all vehicles greatly resist small arms damage and that turrets by pass that resistance? Like I said, **** like that is why its hard to take vehicle players seriously, they come up with wild accusations backed by faulty math and expect us to not call them on their BS |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
2950
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:10:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:We had a proto AV guy, he actually lost a lot of ISK trying to help us out. I could understand 2 mitita AV guys not being able to take out a tank moving in and out of cover, but we had at least 6 people running AV, and we were all shooting at one tank, and it barely did anything.
I love running with tanks, I want them to be tough, but even 3 Miltia Assaults can take down 1 Proto Assault. The tanks weren't even trying to avoid our fire. How were you shooting? Were you all firing in one volley? Or were you keeping up a constant barrage? Was the tanker running hardeners or reppers? Or both? There's more than a few things to be taken into account, if your not doing enough damage quickly enough he'll just keep repping that damage away. |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
113
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:10:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:You're crying because militia gear couldn't kill non militia tanks.
Jesus Christ.
Just as bad as the people crying that their AR can't kill tanks. I have never heard anyone say an AR should kill a tank and Ive been on this board for several months now You vehicle players always say the cutest things though It's insinuated. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
2950
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:13:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:gbghg wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:You're crying because militia gear couldn't kill non militia tanks.
Jesus Christ.
Just as bad as the people crying that their AR can't kill tanks. I have never heard anyone say an AR should kill a tank and Ive been on this board for several months now You vehicle players always say the cutest things though Actually you missed a thread back during the OP days of the tac AR, in it, it was calculated that a prototype TAR was doing more DPS than an advanced large blaster turret, and that furthermore with several people concentrating fire it would be possible to kill well fitted tanks relatively quickly. Despite the ludicrousness of this people were still defending the TAR. Also complaining about militia AV being useless? Of course it's useless, you need some incentive to spec out of it don't you? And it's blatantly clear that the vehicle/AV balance needs some major work, things are kinda bad right now. Ugh thats ********, did they all just happen to magically forget that all vehicles greatly resist small arms damage and that turrets by pass that resistance? Like I said, **** like that is why its hard to take vehicle players seriously, they come up with wild accusations backed by faulty math and expect us to not call them on their BS Oh no, that math did take reduced efficiency into account, if you got enough people you could kill a tank with TAR's. and are you really one to call vehicles users bullshitters? As far as I've been playing this game (since the start of the year) it's the infantry who's consistently come up with the most ridiculous QQ topics and call for nerfs, and they've always flooded the forum with it. |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
113
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:13:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:Delta 749 wrote:They QQ precisely because it takes a squad to kill them, if they had their way they would be invulnerable to everything except possibly other tanks and even then they would just avoid each other to gank infantry And what's wrong with known tankers having that kind of truce if they happen to go against each other? If that happened to me, with one or two more other prominent tankers on my side, and a couple of other prominent tankers on the other side, I'd start up a chat real quick to make sure we purposely avoid each other. Do you see a problem with that? I'd absolutely maneuver myself to take incoming friendly swarms if a red tank is about to get trashed, should we have an agreement between us that I don't get grenaded to the scrap heap. The problem is you not being a contributing member to the team if you do that The way I see it you are much dead weight as redline snipers and MCC AFKers Although take that with a grain of salt since I AFK half the time as well LOL How is that dead weight? If 4 tankers on either side have an agreement not to fire on each other, and I'm protecting them from my team's AV, mostly for laughs to teach infantry a lesson, how is that dead weight? I'd also be killing red infantry, as well as plowing into blue LAVs.
It's a damn pub match, it's not helping FW or PC. It means nothing. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1588
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:15:00 -
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CoD isAIDS wrote:Delta 749 wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:Delta 749 wrote:They QQ precisely because it takes a squad to kill them, if they had their way they would be invulnerable to everything except possibly other tanks and even then they would just avoid each other to gank infantry And what's wrong with known tankers having that kind of truce if they happen to go against each other? If that happened to me, with one or two more other prominent tankers on my side, and a couple of other prominent tankers on the other side, I'd start up a chat real quick to make sure we purposely avoid each other. Do you see a problem with that? I'd absolutely maneuver myself to take incoming friendly swarms if a red tank is about to get trashed, should we have an agreement between us that I don't get grenaded to the scrap heap. The problem is you not being a contributing member to the team if you do that The way I see it you are much dead weight as redline snipers and MCC AFKers Although take that with a grain of salt since I AFK half the time as well LOL How is that dead weight? If 4 tankers on either side have an agreement not to fire on each other, and I'm protecting them from my team's AV, mostly for laughs to teach infantry a lesson, how is that dead weight? I'd also be killing red infantry, as well as plowing into blue LAVs. It's a damn pub match, it's not helping FW or PC. It means nothing.
You should change your username to "I am AIDS" for all the help you do |
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CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
113
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:15:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:gbghg wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:You're crying because militia gear couldn't kill non militia tanks.
Jesus Christ.
Just as bad as the people crying that their AR can't kill tanks. I have never heard anyone say an AR should kill a tank and Ive been on this board for several months now You vehicle players always say the cutest things though Actually you missed a thread back during the OP days of the tac AR, in it, it was calculated that a prototype TAR was doing more DPS than an advanced large blaster turret, and that furthermore with several people concentrating fire it would be possible to kill well fitted tanks relatively quickly. Despite the ludicrousness of this people were still defending the TAR. Also complaining about militia AV being useless? Of course it's useless, you need some incentive to spec out of it don't you? And it's blatantly clear that the vehicle/AV balance needs some major work, things are kinda bad right now. Ugh thats ********, did they all just happen to magically forget that all vehicles greatly resist small arms damage and that turrets by pass that resistance? Like I said, **** like that is why its hard to take vehicle players seriously, they come up with wild accusations backed by faulty math and expect us to not call them on their BS That thread had a bunch of pages. All the TAR users were defending their mathematically proven OP weapon, while pilots were trying to say that an infantry weapon shouldn't be on par with large turrets. |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
113
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:16:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:We had a proto AV guy, he actually lost a lot of ISK trying to help us out. I could understand 2 mitita AV guys not being able to take out a tank moving in and out of cover, but we had at least 6 people running AV, and we were all shooting at one tank, and it barely did anything.
I love running with tanks, I want them to be tough, but even 3 Miltia Assaults can take down 1 Proto Assault. The tanks weren't even trying to avoid our fire. How were you shooting? Were you all firing in one volley? Or were you keeping up a constant barrage? Was the tanker running hardeners or reppers? Or both? There's more than a few things to be taken into account, if your not doing enough damage quickly enough he'll just keep repping that damage away. Looking at the outside, you can't tell if a hardener/repper is on, unless you're right next to it. It's impossible to tell if either HP bar isn't moving. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1588
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:17:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Delta 749 wrote:gbghg wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Eurydice Itzhak wrote:You're crying because militia gear couldn't kill non militia tanks.
Jesus Christ.
Just as bad as the people crying that their AR can't kill tanks. I have never heard anyone say an AR should kill a tank and Ive been on this board for several months now You vehicle players always say the cutest things though Actually you missed a thread back during the OP days of the tac AR, in it, it was calculated that a prototype TAR was doing more DPS than an advanced large blaster turret, and that furthermore with several people concentrating fire it would be possible to kill well fitted tanks relatively quickly. Despite the ludicrousness of this people were still defending the TAR. Also complaining about militia AV being useless? Of course it's useless, you need some incentive to spec out of it don't you? And it's blatantly clear that the vehicle/AV balance needs some major work, things are kinda bad right now. Ugh thats ********, did they all just happen to magically forget that all vehicles greatly resist small arms damage and that turrets by pass that resistance? Like I said, **** like that is why its hard to take vehicle players seriously, they come up with wild accusations backed by faulty math and expect us to not call them on their BS Oh no, that math did take reduced efficiency into account, if you got enough people you could kill a tank with TAR's. and are you really one to call vehicles users bullshitters? As far as I've been playing this game (since the start of the year) it's the infantry who's consistently come up with the most ridiculous QQ topics and call for nerfs, and they've always flooded the forum with it.
Link to the thread? I want to see how ridiculous it is and how it proved without a doubt ARs were overpowered and how you couldnt have an entire team using any other weapon focusing fire on one tank not moving or fighting back and that team would not be able to destroy it given enough time
Seriously the whole "X is OP under these very specific circumstances which will never ever happen unless staged" proves jack **** and makes the people spouting it look like morons |
Assert Dominance
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
136
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:17:00 -
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Sounds like you we playing against stb |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
113
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:18:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:Delta 749 wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:Delta 749 wrote:They QQ precisely because it takes a squad to kill them, if they had their way they would be invulnerable to everything except possibly other tanks and even then they would just avoid each other to gank infantry And what's wrong with known tankers having that kind of truce if they happen to go against each other? If that happened to me, with one or two more other prominent tankers on my side, and a couple of other prominent tankers on the other side, I'd start up a chat real quick to make sure we purposely avoid each other. Do you see a problem with that? I'd absolutely maneuver myself to take incoming friendly swarms if a red tank is about to get trashed, should we have an agreement between us that I don't get grenaded to the scrap heap. The problem is you not being a contributing member to the team if you do that The way I see it you are much dead weight as redline snipers and MCC AFKers Although take that with a grain of salt since I AFK half the time as well LOL How is that dead weight? If 4 tankers on either side have an agreement not to fire on each other, and I'm protecting them from my team's AV, mostly for laughs to teach infantry a lesson, how is that dead weight? I'd also be killing red infantry, as well as plowing into blue LAVs. It's a damn pub match, it's not helping FW or PC. It means nothing. You should change your username to "I am AIDS" for all the help you do u mad bro? |
Aizen Intiki
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
336
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:22:00 -
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8 AV guys couldn't take down 4 HAV's? either you guys are ****, or are ****. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1588
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:23:00 -
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Not as mad as you when theres AV on the field, QQ more and tell us why you should be invincible in your toy |
10011101
Red Star. EoN.
26
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:33:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:Sounds like you we playing against stb No it was us |
Eurydice Itzhak
Militaires Sans Jeux
163
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:34:00 -
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There was one av on the field vs four tanks. Why do you think that it would go well? Put points into av and enjoy being OP |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6945
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:35:00 -
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AV harder. |
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