they need to be sure not to over buff AV again like theyv been doing the entire time.


chromosome as I look back on it was the closest weve ever gotten for balance

You're crying because militia gear couldn't kill non militia tanks.

Jesus Christ.

Just as bad as the people crying that their AR can't kill tanks.

You're crying because militia gear couldn't kill non militia tanks.

Jesus Christ.

Just as bad as the people crying that their AR can't kill tanks.

You're crying because militia gear couldn't kill non militia tanks.

Jesus Christ.

Just as bad as the people crying that their AR can't kill tanks.

Well, the tanks most people are using are the std variants right?

As you know, militia weapons have std stats, just with a higher fitting cost (some aren't as good as std, but most are identical). So it's really std vs std.

Even so, a militia shotgun can still kill a proto suit with pretty good efficiency. So why should tanks be any different? And don't use ISK cost as an excuse, unless you admit you want tanks to be p2w.

Also proto AV barely stands a chance against the current std tanks, so yeah. The only useful advanced AV weapon is the forge, the adv swarms suck bad IMO. Yet they should be insta-owning std tanks, since the AV is of a higher tier... right?

Well, the tanks most people are using are the std variants right?

As you know, militia weapons have std stats, just with a higher fitting cost (some aren't as good as std, but most are identical). So it's really std vs std.

Even so, a militia shotgun can still kill a proto suit with pretty good efficiency. So why should tanks be any different? And don't use ISK cost as an excuse, unless you admit you want tanks to be p2w.

Also proto AV barely stands a chance against the current std tanks, so yeah. The only useful advanced AV weapon is the forge, the adv swarms suck bad IMO. Yet they should be insta-owning std tanks, since the AV is of a higher tier... right?

You're crying because militia gear couldn't kill non militia tanks.

Jesus Christ.

Just as bad as the people crying that their AR can't kill tanks.

Even so, a militia shotgun can still kill a proto suit with pretty good efficiency. So why should tanks be any different? And don't use ISK cost as an excuse, unless you admit you want tanks to be p2w.

Also proto AV barely stands a chance against the current std tanks, so yeah. The only useful advanced AV weapon is the forge, the adv swarms suck bad IMO. Yet they should be insta-owning std tanks, since the AV is of a higher tier... right?

Video you see of real tanks being "solo'd" is probably a couple of warheads strapped together, detonating simultaneously. Since we don't have those in Dust, well.... yeah.

Militia has std damage, higher fitting cost, and less ammo. less ammo=more time reloading=SIGNIFICANTLY reduced DPS.

regular swarm 4 shots.
militia swarm 2 shots.

both launch 4 missiles that deal 330 damage per missile and take one second to lock on and fire(travel removed as missiles would be reaching target at 1 second intervals) so that is a standing dps of 1320 per second

regular swarm can do 1320 dps for 4 seconds. In this time period, the militia will do 660 and have spent 2 seconds reloading.

they are in no way equal for their intended purpose. the proper way to take down a tank is high, sustained damage over time. the militia is at best, a minor distraction to a skilled into, well fit, properly driven tank.

My 7.5 million SP into my vehicles should invalidate your 0 into AV. Period. End of story. I have spent a mostly proto suit's SP into my standard vehicles(and only one type of tanking, shields) it should **** all over your nothing.

there is a massive gap between a proto-skilled std fit and a militia fit(50% hp, 15% extra damage, 15% faster reload, etc.). The only thing proto about tanks right now, besides turrets is the skill tree.

Scary part? I'm actually on the low end of vehicular warfare and skilling into it. and still have another 2.9 million to put into my enforcer tank for a 6 percent bonus to missiles, the redheaded stepchildren of turrets. and another 2 to max out my shielding tree, then comes finishing out hybrid turrets, thankfully, I'm only 720K from that. after that, I can start to branch out to other vehicles.

So, I only need to hit about 13-14 million to put out my core skills, turrets, finish off one tank, have my turrets ready(even though only 1-2 are worth a damn) then I can start all over again with armor tanks, go into murdertaxis, or take up the aerial self-screw.(Da Vinci joke. since dropships are something I'm happy to see on field. they're basically free, floating ISK to me and my rail turret.)

and keep in mind that I also maintain a ground suit for when there is ONE proto forger on the field. so I could also start skilling into that as well. then only a paltry 8 million and I'm good to go.

good thing it only takes someone with 2 million SP(proto forge on a militia heavy) to remove me(I'm either dead or running) from the field unless there are 4 of me, and coordinated to boot, or for once the blues actually kill the AV guys.

hell, let's highball that and say he's using a proto standard suit for the extra damage bonuses which he also skilled into. 4-5 million SP to kick me off the field.


and dust is pay to win. period. You want the best gear, conducive to winning the fight? Pay for it. Since tank players have to pay out the nose(a well fit STD tank is over a million) they should be significantly harder to kill.

FGM 148 Javelin
Available since the 90s and allows a single soldier to bust a tank by way of a SINGLE tandem warhead which just means it has multiple stages of detonation to defeat reactive armor on a tank
Also happens to be a lock on fire and forget type weapon like our swarm launcher but even better since it has a top attack flight profile, that means it shoots up into the air then flies and lands on top of the tank avoiding any accident detonations on the terrain unlike the swarm launchers we have now

Now lets imagine you fired 6 of those at once and you get close to what a proto swarm launcher is, multiple warheads detonation at the same time on a single target

Explain to me why it should not do significant damage to your tank without crying about cost or using a hyperbolic argument like "Durr its a future tank and therefore stronger" keep in mind that weapons technology is generally ahead of defensive technology

Need to add in something that you vehicle players always forget when talking about swarm launchers
The after firing cooldown, it prevents you from reloading, re locking a target, switching weapons, or sprinting for 2.5-3 seconds and theres is absolutely nothing that can be done to prevent it or shorten the delay

now keep in mind that 2/3s of the time your swarms are invisible to us, and we generally can't trust our hit indicators because they blatantly lie about where we're getting hit from.

So just now I went into a pub skirmish match and the opposing team (no exaggeration) had 4 Tanks and 1 dropship. These weren't just militia tanks either these were top of the line your miltia AV won't make a dent tanks. So after being pushed to one outside objective, and eventually none, half the team switched to AV. We even coordinated to all fire on one tank in order to take it down. In the whole match we took down 2....... one being milita called in later. We had mostly AV but also one guy using Proto AV. Militia Forge guns and swarms didn't make a dent. The dropship went down, but it was foolish enough to stick around despite half the team firing swarms at it (no sympathy).

All in all is was a fun match, AV versus tanks running around trying to pick them off from the hills. Even with minimal success it was quite enjoyable. This team of tankers had a place and they worked well.

So what is my problem? If 6 militia AV can barely dent these standard tanks, then why all the QQ?
Is it the cost? Retreat was always an option for them but they never had to.
Is it the "OP" AV? You'd need 3 dedicated proto AV fits to take down one of those tanks.

So I'm starting to understand that many tankers have this mentality that anything other than a tank that can take them out is OP, regardless of how they use their tank.

NOTE: THIS IS NOT QQ, I HAD FUN!!!!

Keep in mind my shield tank is specifically built to defeat explosive weaponry. as in, those missiles only sting a little bit. DURR its the future and shield tech was made to combat explosives.

Invisible Swarms + Incorrect Hit Indicator Direction = Escaping in the wrong direction. If I shoot you in the Face w/ a BB Gun & your Body registers a Hit to your A*SHOLE, you will run forward to eat more Lead. Idiot posting Stupidity is Irrelevant, GTFO

Ninja the Javelin also offers direct fire avoiding the trophy systems anti air abilities
Herp derp learn what you are talking about, informations only a google search away

I have never seen a tank run in the wrong direction from fire or a person for that matter
But you are right, you are an idiot posting stupidity and are irrelevant

Bad render distance is a known problem for everyone but really you guys are blaming hit indicators now?
Whats next? My tank was blown up because my chair wasnt comfortable enough?

If you get shot, you turn and shoot the guy, or get to cover using the hit indicator as to define where is "safe" from the enemy's fire. If I get shot, I have to spend 3 seconds turning then I see that there is nothing over on my right because the guy was on my left, or I go for cover, only to learn that I'm going right toward whatever was shooting me later.

I then turn for another 5 seconds and by then, if the guy isn't mentally borked he'll be long gone, along with somewhere between 1000 of my shielding(swarms), or me getting popped(forges, other tanks) because the systems I use to judge where is prudent to take cover are malfunctioning.

and really, how often do other players stop rendering when you look directly at them? this happens all to often with tank to tank warfare at railgun distances. get out of cockpit view, you can see him. get into it so you can actually aim properly, boom, they're invisible, and your dot won't turn red. 50/50 on it happening to him at the same time.

the hit indicator problem seems to go hand in hand with the rendering issue, if I can't render them or their munitions, then for some reason my hit indicators start going random. on me. as in I've gotten hit from the front by inviso-swarms(third person view, explosions off front armor) and my indicator said they came from left,right, and behind me. I know that at least one of those was a lie as behind me was the redline, and all explosions were on the front armor.

This discussion was already had on these very Forums. Result??? Trophy System & w/e the Russian Variant was are capable of stopping Direct Fire as per ADVANCEMENTS in TECHNOLOGY. Learn2Forum, Learn2Research, The More You Know

"FUTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" - Squidward

Prove there wont be advancements to counteract the trophy system since you want to toss around the future

It is not my Job nor Perogative to prove ANYTHING about Current & Future Gen V -> AV Relations. It was my intention to shut down your Incorrect & Irrelevant Statement with FACTS. Mission Accomplished. The Intention was to get your COMPLETELY Out-of-Place Argument on IRL Comparisons as far away from here as possible. You are an Incorrigible Ignoramus, thus Mission Incomplete. IRL BS has no place in Discussions about Balance in a Video Game. You are a MAJOR Contributing Factor in the De-Evolution of DUST 514 & should feel bad about it. But.....what the heck, I'll take my OP Trophy Tank since you so graciously want IRL "Balance". Screw that.....I'll just Spec into Stealth Nuke & call it a day

Ugh thats ********, did they all just happen to magically forget that all vehicles greatly resist small arms damage and that turrets by pass that resistance?
Like I said, **** like that is why its hard to take vehicle players seriously, they come up with wild accusations backed by faulty math and expect us to not call them on their BS

They QQ precisely because it takes a squad to kill them, if they had their way they would be invulnerable to everything except possibly other tanks and even then they would just avoid each other to gank infantry