You're crying because militia gear couldn't kill non militia tanks.

Jesus Christ.

Just as bad as the people crying that their AR can't kill tanks.

And what's wrong with known tankers having that kind of truce if they happen to go against each other? If that happened to me, with one or two more other prominent tankers on my side, and a couple of other prominent tankers on the other side, I'd start up a chat real quick to make sure we purposely avoid each other. Do you see a problem with that? I'd absolutely maneuver myself to take incoming friendly swarms if a red tank is about to get trashed, should we have an agreement between us that I don't get grenaded to the scrap heap.

Actually you missed a thread back during the OP days of the tac AR, in it, it was calculated that a prototype TAR was doing more DPS than an advanced large blaster turret, and that furthermore with several people concentrating fire it would be possible to kill well fitted tanks relatively quickly. Despite the ludicrousness of this people were still defending the TAR.

Also complaining about militia AV being useless? Of course it's useless, you need some incentive to spec out of it don't you? And it's blatantly clear that the vehicle/AV balance needs some major work, things are kinda bad right now.

We had a proto AV guy, he actually lost a lot of ISK trying to help us out. I could understand 2 mitita AV guys not being able to take out a tank moving in and out of cover, but we had at least 6 people running AV, and we were all shooting at one tank, and it barely did anything.

I love running with tanks, I want them to be tough, but even 3 Miltia Assaults can take down 1 Proto Assault. The tanks weren't even trying to avoid our fire.

LOL How is that dead weight? If 4 tankers on either side have an agreement not to fire on each other, and I'm protecting them from my team's AV, mostly for laughs to teach infantry a lesson, how is that dead weight? I'd also be killing red infantry, as well as plowing into blue LAVs.

It's a damn pub match, it's not helping FW or PC. It means nothing.

I never sympathized with them. The QQ'rs just want to be able to solo wreck the enemy team. Any decent tank crew has very little to worry about from AV in most cases.

My whole argument is that I don't want to be solo'd. Is that so much to ask for?

Lol

Trying to get a better shot that's not in the redline means I suck. If it's a protostomp, I stay in the redline, or in the MCC if I get killed.

"Enough grenades"

3 Packed Lai Dai puts out about 6400 damage against armor. By the time I get up to speed, well... I'm not up to speed, because I'm dead after the 5th grenade. Haven't you realized yet how easy it is to solo a tank? How stupidly pathetically easy it is?

Those were the days when you couldn't solo tanks. You complained, so CCP nerfed tanks until you could. That's also when the vehicle-vehicle dynamic was perfect. If you didn't maintain situational awareness at all times among the squad, any tanks out would get popped instantly.

Those were also the days when a glass cannon Soma could two-shot everything.

As a tanker, if i dumped 10 mil SP into tanks (ONLY tanks), then militia AV shouldn't put a dent in my tank. I'd never complain about getting taken out by enemy AV, because if and when I do get taken down, it'll be by an adversary who's skilled into AV. I feel the balance of tank versus AV is ok. If AV personnel put a significant amount of SP into AV, it's only right that they are effective against my tank. You won't see me QQ when i get taken down. I'll blame it on my tactics, or my fit before i scream buff the tanks! then again, that's just me. there are alot of QQ tankers out there, however.

You're crying because militia gear couldn't kill non militia tanks.

Jesus Christ.

Just as bad as the people crying that their AR can't kill tanks.

You're crying because militia gear couldn't kill non militia tanks.

Jesus Christ.

Just as bad as the people crying that their AR can't kill tanks.

Video you see of real tanks being "solo'd" is probably a couple of warheads strapped together, detonating simultaneously. Since we don't have those in Dust, well.... yeah.

Militia has std damage, higher fitting cost, and less ammo. less ammo=more time reloading=SIGNIFICANTLY reduced DPS.

regular swarm 4 shots.
militia swarm 2 shots.

both launch 4 missiles that deal 330 damage per missile and take one second to lock on and fire(travel removed as missiles would be reaching target at 1 second intervals) so that is a standing dps of 1320 per second

regular swarm can do 1320 dps for 4 seconds. In this time period, the militia will do 660 and have spent 2 seconds reloading.

they are in no way equal for their intended purpose. the proper way to take down a tank is high, sustained damage over time. the militia is at best, a minor distraction to a skilled into, well fit, properly driven tank.

My 7.5 million SP into my vehicles should invalidate your 0 into AV. Period. End of story. I have spent a mostly proto suit's SP into my standard vehicles(and only one type of tanking, shields) it should **** all over your nothing.

there is a massive gap between a proto-skilled std fit and a militia fit(50% hp, 15% extra damage, 15% faster reload, etc.). The only thing proto about tanks right now, besides turrets is the skill tree.

Scary part? I'm actually on the low end of vehicular warfare and skilling into it. and still have another 2.9 million to put into my enforcer tank for a 6 percent bonus to missiles, the redheaded stepchildren of turrets. and another 2 to max out my shielding tree, then comes finishing out hybrid turrets, thankfully, I'm only 720K from that. after that, I can start to branch out to other vehicles.

So, I only need to hit about 13-14 million to put out my core skills, turrets, finish off one tank, have my turrets ready(even though only 1-2 are worth a damn) then I can start all over again with armor tanks, go into murdertaxis, or take up the aerial self-screw.(Da Vinci joke. since dropships are something I'm happy to see on field. they're basically free, floating ISK to me and my rail turret.)

and keep in mind that I also maintain a ground suit for when there is ONE proto forger on the field. so I could also start skilling into that as well. then only a paltry 8 million and I'm good to go.

good thing it only takes someone with 2 million SP(proto forge on a militia heavy) to remove me(I'm either dead or running) from the field unless there are 4 of me, and coordinated to boot, or for once the blues actually kill the AV guys.

hell, let's highball that and say he's using a proto standard suit for the extra damage bonuses which he also skilled into. 4-5 million SP to kick me off the field.


and dust is pay to win. period. You want the best gear, conducive to winning the fight? Pay for it. Since tank players have to pay out the nose(a well fit STD tank is over a million) they should be significantly harder to kill.

now keep in mind that 2/3s of the time your swarms are invisible to us, and we generally can't trust our hit indicators because they blatantly lie about where we're getting hit from.

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This sounds oddly like a PC vs Stb yesterday....

Anyway, generally it takes 2 proto AV, 6 MLT AV, or one beefy tank to kill me and it's the same with most other highly skilled tankers. I'm fine with this BC they're meta 1 tanks, but we need proto tanks to match the proto av in PC battles; I really couldn't care less about pubs Bc it is ccp'a fault for putting noons with mlt av against teams for 14mil so tankers rolling together.

You realize that's not some random scrub, right?

You realize that's not some random scrub, right?

More of a "CoD makes wild strawman arguments all the time so its ironic when he says others do the same" Lorhak

I post analytical, but you'll listen to him. Figures assaults flock together.

Sure.....b/c spending 1 Minute & 30 Seconds out of Combat after a 20 Second Engagement (Or 3-5 Seconds if hit by 1 PRO AVer) is sooooo much "Fun"..... That is based on Current Reps on x2 HP (Assuming Hardeners were Active when taking Damage). So now 1/2 of that.....hmmmmm..... 3 Minutes of pretty much AFKing & Praying for No OBs.... You do realize that Reps are the ONLY reason we even come out to "Play".....right??? Even w/ a Max Pilot Suit (Assuming they do the whole Cooldown Buff) that is basically bringing it back down to 2 Minutes of AFKing. So if I am correct here.....a Tank should be Still Soloed by 1 PRO AVer, & be out of the Fight for even LONGER??? & Slower Recall even though it's like Hacking an Objective w/ No Skills???

GG Bro.... If (I should say "When"...) this falls through just sign me up for that Respec so I may go "GROUND GAME GRRRR MURIKA!!!" w/ the rest of the CoDboitards.....AGAIN. Better yet, Delete Vehicles, we has Feet Bro