They QQ precisely because it takes a squad to kill them, if they had their way they would be invulnerable to everything except possibly other tanks and even then they would just avoid each other to gank infantry

Blah blah blah

LOL How is that dead weight? If 4 tankers on either side have an agreement not to fire on each other, and I'm protecting them from my team's AV, mostly for laughs to teach infantry a lesson, how is that dead weight? I'd also be killing red infantry, as well as plowing into blue LAVs.

It's a damn pub match, it's not helping FW or PC. It means nothing.

So just now I went into a pub skirmish match and the opposing team (no exaggeration) had 4 Tanks and 1 dropship. These weren't just militia tanks either these were top of the line your miltia AV won't make a dent tanks. So after being pushed to one outside objective, and eventually none, half the team switched to AV. We even coordinated to all fire on one tank in order to take it down. In the whole match we took down 2....... one being milita called in later. We had mostly AV but also one guy using Proto AV. Militia Forge guns and swarms didn't make a dent. The dropship went down, but it was foolish enough to stick around despite half the team firing swarms at it (no sympathy).

All in all is was a fun match, AV versus tanks running around trying to pick them off from the hills. Even with minimal success it was quite enjoyable. This team of tankers had a place and they worked well.

So what is my problem? If 6 militia AV can barely dent these standard tanks, then why all the QQ?
Is it the cost? Retreat was always an option for them but they never had to.
Is it the "OP" AV? You'd need 3 dedicated proto AV fits to take down one of those tanks.

So I'm starting to understand that many tankers have this mentality that anything other than a tank that can take them out is OP, regardless of how they use their tank.

NOTE: THIS IS NOT QQ, I HAD FUN!!!!

Use railgun. Current tests can deliver up to 33 MJ of impact force from over the horizon, to within 5 meters of target.

Of note. a single megajoule is "roughly equivalent to a 1-ton car traveling at 100 mph." so yeah, it's either a 33 ton car at 100 miles per hour, or a single ton car moving at 3300 miles per hour. or maybe both, which would just be mind boggling to consider the physics of it. Or, how anything can still exist after being hit by it.

They QQ precisely because it takes a squad to kill them, if they had their way they would be invulnerable to everything except possibly other tanks and even then they would just avoid each other to gank infantry

And what's wrong with known tankers having that kind of truce if they happen to go against each other? If that happened to me, with one or two more other prominent tankers on my side, and a couple of other prominent tankers on the other side, I'd start up a chat real quick to make sure we purposely avoid each other. Do you see a problem with that? I'd absolutely maneuver myself to take incoming friendly swarms if a red tank is about to get trashed, should we have an agreement between us that I don't get grenaded to the scrap heap.

As a tanker, if i dumped 10 mil SP into tanks (ONLY tanks), then militia AV shouldn't put a dent in my tank. I'd never complain about getting taken out by enemy AV, because if and when I do get taken down, it'll be by an adversary who's skilled into AV. I feel the balance of tank versus AV is ok. If AV personnel put a significant amount of SP into AV, it's only right that they are effective against my tank. You won't see me QQ when i get taken down. I'll blame it on my tactics, or my fit before i scream buff the tanks! then again, that's just me. there are alot of QQ tankers out there, however.

You're crying because militia gear couldn't kill non militia tanks.

Jesus Christ.

Just as bad as the people crying that their AR can't kill tanks.

You're crying because militia gear couldn't kill non militia tanks.

Jesus Christ.

Just as bad as the people crying that their AR can't kill tanks.

Video you see of real tanks being "solo'd" is probably a couple of warheads strapped together, detonating simultaneously. Since we don't have those in Dust, well.... yeah.

Militia has std damage, higher fitting cost, and less ammo. less ammo=more time reloading=SIGNIFICANTLY reduced DPS.

regular swarm 4 shots.
militia swarm 2 shots.

both launch 4 missiles that deal 330 damage per missile and take one second to lock on and fire(travel removed as missiles would be reaching target at 1 second intervals) so that is a standing dps of 1320 per second

regular swarm can do 1320 dps for 4 seconds. In this time period, the militia will do 660 and have spent 2 seconds reloading.

they are in no way equal for their intended purpose. the proper way to take down a tank is high, sustained damage over time. the militia is at best, a minor distraction to a skilled into, well fit, properly driven tank.

My 7.5 million SP into my vehicles should invalidate your 0 into AV. Period. End of story. I have spent a mostly proto suit's SP into my standard vehicles(and only one type of tanking, shields) it should **** all over your nothing.

there is a massive gap between a proto-skilled std fit and a militia fit(50% hp, 15% extra damage, 15% faster reload, etc.). The only thing proto about tanks right now, besides turrets is the skill tree.

Scary part? I'm actually on the low end of vehicular warfare and skilling into it. and still have another 2.9 million to put into my enforcer tank for a 6 percent bonus to missiles, the redheaded stepchildren of turrets. and another 2 to max out my shielding tree, then comes finishing out hybrid turrets, thankfully, I'm only 720K from that. after that, I can start to branch out to other vehicles.

So, I only need to hit about 13-14 million to put out my core skills, turrets, finish off one tank, have my turrets ready(even though only 1-2 are worth a damn) then I can start all over again with armor tanks, go into murdertaxis, or take up the aerial self-screw.(Da Vinci joke. since dropships are something I'm happy to see on field. they're basically free, floating ISK to me and my rail turret.)

and keep in mind that I also maintain a ground suit for when there is ONE proto forger on the field. so I could also start skilling into that as well. then only a paltry 8 million and I'm good to go.

good thing it only takes someone with 2 million SP(proto forge on a militia heavy) to remove me(I'm either dead or running) from the field unless there are 4 of me, and coordinated to boot, or for once the blues actually kill the AV guys.

hell, let's highball that and say he's using a proto standard suit for the extra damage bonuses which he also skilled into. 4-5 million SP to kick me off the field.


and dust is pay to win. period. You want the best gear, conducive to winning the fight? Pay for it. Since tank players have to pay out the nose(a well fit STD tank is over a million) they should be significantly harder to kill.

now keep in mind that 2/3s of the time your swarms are invisible to us, and we generally can't trust our hit indicators because they blatantly lie about where we're getting hit from.

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