Despite his dramatic statements, Leuko does have one point I think we can all agree is probably the focus of much QQ with tanks.

You can work your ass off whittling a tank down to 1 HP, and then they pop that repper on and are at full health in seconds. That is quite frustrating and makes it feel like all that AV work you put into that tank was worthless.

I would like to see vehicles have a larger focus on EHP and resistance and less on self reps. Having it take lots of punishment but not bouncing back from it in seconds. This would also bring a larger focus to spider tanking, and making an invincible tank be more of a group effort so that it justifies needing multiple AV guys to tank down what is essentially a vehicle squad.

This would probably also have to come with some sort of change to the way vehicles are recalled so you can't abuse the mechanic by constantly calling in a fresh HAV after yours has taken some damage.

Something along the lines of doubling the EHP on a tank while halving its rep/s (just as an example).

Despite his dramatic statements, Leuko does have one point I think we can all agree is probably the focus of much QQ with tanks.

You can work your ass off whittling a tank down to 1 HP, and then they pop that repper on and are at full health in seconds. That is quite frustrating and makes it feel like all that AV work you put into that tank was worthless.

I would like to see vehicles have a larger focus on EHP and resistance and less on self reps. Having it take lots of punishment but not bouncing back from it in seconds. This would also bring a larger focus to spider tanking, and making an invincible tank be more of a group effort so that it justifies needing multiple AV guys to tank down what is essentially a vehicle squad.

This would probably also have to come with some sort of change to the way vehicles are recalled so you can't abuse the mechanic by constantly calling in a fresh HAV after yours has taken some damage.

Something along the lines of doubling the EHP on a tank while halving its rep/s (just as an example).

I can attest, from having personally run AV with Eurydice on several occasions, that me with only ADV AV nades and he with militia nades and a militia forge have killed, without issue, 99% of the tanks we've targeted, and not to belabor the point but we have killed a LOT of tanks in this fashion.

That, I believe, is his reasoning for pointing out that a team of AV doing so poorly is more a sign of lacking in coordination rather than an inherent failing of AV or a sign of overpowered vehicles.

Sure.....b/c spending 1 Minute & 30 Seconds out of Combat after a 20 Second Engagement (Or 3-5 Seconds if hit by 1 PRO AVer) is sooooo much "Fun"..... That is based on Current Reps on x2 HP (Assuming Hardeners were Active when taking Damage). So now 1/2 of that.....hmmmmm..... 3 Minutes of pretty much AFKing & Praying for No OBs.... You do realize that Reps are the ONLY reason we even come out to "Play".....right??? Even w/ a Max Pilot Suit (Assuming they do the whole Cooldown Buff) that is basically bringing it back down to 2 Minutes of AFKing. So if I am correct here.....a Tank should be Still Soloed by 1 PRO AVer, & be out of the Fight for even LONGER??? & Slower Recall even though it's like Hacking an Objective w/ No Skills???

GG Bro.... If (I should say "When"...) this falls through just sign me up for that Respec so I may go "GROUND GAME GRRRR MURIKA!!!" w/ the rest of the CoDboitards.....AGAIN. Better yet, Delete Vehicles, we has Feet Bro

Heavy suits have the same problem. May want to look into how they handle it? Oh teamwork! Yeah!

Just cause you have a big bad tank doesn't mean you should be a solo death machine. Lets give LLAVs a reason to exist.

Heavy suits have the same problem. May want to look into how they handle it? Oh teamwork! Yeah!

Just cause you have a big bad tank doesn't mean you should be a solo death machine. Lets give LLAVs a reason to exist.

FGM 148 Javelin
Available since the 90s and allows a single soldier to bust a tank by way of a SINGLE tandem warhead which just means it has multiple stages of detonation to defeat reactive armor on a tank
Also happens to be a lock on fire and forget type weapon like our swarm launcher but even better since it has a top attack flight profile, that means it shoots up into the air then flies and lands on top of the tank avoiding any accident detonations on the terrain unlike the swarm launchers we have now

Now lets imagine you fired 6 of those at once and you get close to what a proto swarm launcher is, multiple warheads detonation at the same time on a single target

Explain to me why it should not do significant damage to your tank without crying about cost or using a hyperbolic argument like "Durr its a future tank and therefore stronger" keep in mind that weapons technology is generally ahead of defensive technology

sounds like you want this game to be more realistic, you are aware though people in real life who get shot once generally fall on the floor and are taken to hospital if there lucky.

Despite his dramatic statements, Leuko does have one point I think we can all agree is probably the focus of much QQ with tanks.

You can work your ass off whittling a tank down to 1 HP, and then they pop that repper on and are at full health in seconds. That is quite frustrating and makes it feel like all that AV work you put into that tank was worthless.

I would like to see vehicles have a larger focus on EHP and resistance and less on self reps. Having it take lots of punishment but not bouncing back from it in seconds. This would also bring a larger focus to spider tanking, and making an invincible tank be more of a group effort so that it justifies needing multiple AV guys to tank down what is essentially a vehicle squad.

This would probably also have to come with some sort of change to the way vehicles are recalled so you can't abuse the mechanic by constantly calling in a fresh HAV after yours has taken some damage.

Something along the lines of doubling the EHP on a tank while halving its rep/s (just as an example).

Pretty sure I said it earlier but thats just an example to show tankers how good they actually have it compared to the real world

So just now I went into a pub skirmish match and the opposing team (no exaggeration) had 4 Tanks and 1 dropship. These weren't just militia tanks either these were top of the line your miltia AV won't make a dent tanks. So after being pushed to one outside objective, and eventually none, half the team switched to AV. We even coordinated to all fire on one tank in order to take it down. In the whole match we took down 2....... one being milita called in later. We had mostly AV but also one guy using Proto AV. Militia Forge guns and swarms didn't make a dent. The dropship went down, but it was foolish enough to stick around despite half the team firing swarms at it (no sympathy).

All in all is was a fun match, AV versus tanks running around trying to pick them off from the hills. Even with minimal success it was quite enjoyable. This team of tankers had a place and they worked well.

So what is my problem? If 6 militia AV can barely dent these standard tanks, then why all the tanker QQ?
Is it the cost? Retreat was always an option for them but they never had to.
Is it the "OP" AV? You'd need 3 dedicated proto AV fits to take down one of those tanks.

So I'm starting to understand that many tankers have this mentality that anything other than a tank that can take them out is OP, regardless of how they use their tank.

NOTE: THIS IS NOT QQ, I HAD FUN!!!!

I have never heard anyone say an AR should kill a tank and Ive been on this board for several months now
You vehicle players always say the cutest things though

I would like to point out that on at least one occasion I was part of a two squad group that concentrated AR fire on a militia tank and was able to take it down. Nothing but AR's were used. That being said it was a Sica and they are made of a slurry of tissue paper and pre-teen tears. Oh the fun we had.

You're crying because militia gear couldn't kill non militia tanks.

Jesus Christ.

Just as bad as the people crying that their AR can't kill tanks.