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Sir Eos
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.31 00:40:00 -
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For being the ONLY space MMO out there.... says alot.
You'd think with as unique as it is, being the only Space Simulation MMO on the market, it'd be doing better than it currently is.
No other game offers such a huge Space Simulation MMO.
So, when you feel confident in trodding along with a small but consistent user-base (This includes Dust and EVE). Don't. Because you could be doing .... SO MUCH BETTER.
And I think you all know the reasons why you are not.
1. A Game Community built around the idea of being assholes to each other with phrases such as HTFU.
2. A Giant worthless timesink grinding mechanic designed to make you spend as much time as possible waiting to get to the cool stuff all while charging a monthly fee.
It's really not a thinking mans game to be honest. It's a.. I have no life kind of game.
A Real thinking man, would see the timesink for what it is. A greedy attempt to get you to subscribe to that monthly fee and keep you there for as long as possible.
Is there a reason you must dedicate your life to one game? Is there some kind of reward to say that you've played a single game for 50 years?
Hell over the past 20 years, I've played hundreds if not thousands of games. You know why? Because I realize that life is to short to keep reading the same book or playing the same game over and over and over again. Especially when there's new books/games being released every week.
But I'm gonna waste money subscribing to a game that makes me wait weeks just to train 1 skill up 1 level.
It's pathetic.
Props to you CCP for suckering em in. Can't blame em though really, You are the only Space MMO out there.
That is all. Have fun thinking you are cool and elite because you play such a worthless game. |
aden slayer
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
546
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Posted - 2013.07.31 00:43:00 -
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Can we have your stuff? |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
499
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Posted - 2013.07.31 00:48:00 -
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Why don't you tell us what's really wrong. |
Michael Arck
sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
427
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Posted - 2013.07.31 00:52:00 -
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HTFU |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.07.31 00:55:00 -
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An intelligent man would be able to earn enough isk to pay for a plex and fund his Dust 514 soldier without paying the monthly fee and far less effort. |
Miokai Zahou
Film Actors Guilds
8
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Posted - 2013.07.31 00:56:00 -
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Sounds to me like another miner afk douchebag just lost all his stuff in a wonderful explosion |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
416
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Posted - 2013.07.31 00:57:00 -
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The 50 year trophy would look nice in my collection of video game trophies. 20 more years of Donkey Kong to go. |
Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
200
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Posted - 2013.07.31 01:01:00 -
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Was that a goodbye speech or a bit of venting? Either way, theres no subscription for Dust. You don't have to play all the time to unlock stuff. Set your passive gain and go play other stuff for a while. No grinding. A thinking man would realise this. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
2878
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Posted - 2013.07.31 01:20:00 -
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You know, I read somewhere that eve-o is the only MMO out there that has consistently shown a rise in subscribers each year. |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
983
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Posted - 2013.07.31 01:37:00 -
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To each their own. |
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KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Auxiliaries
623
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Posted - 2013.07.31 03:29:00 -
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Perhaps some books, and games, can have depth? |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6797
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Posted - 2013.07.31 04:05:00 -
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gbghg wrote:You know, I read somewhere that eve-o is the only MMO out there that has consistently shown a rise in subscribers each year.
This is correct, World of Warcraft has lost that distinction a year ago which now leaves Eve Online the sole mmo over 5 years old still gaining subs. |
Drud Green
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
131
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Posted - 2013.07.31 04:56:00 -
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Lol Dust is sooooooo not an mmo.
Yall sound defensive about dust/eve
"but, but, but eve has constantly grown!" hahahahahahaha. Grown from a few stalkers and math junkies to a few stalkers, math junkies and a neckbeard or two.
IWS should you acccept bribes if you are representing the players of dust? |
cedz636
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
47
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Posted - 2013.07.31 05:01:00 -
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dear sir eos,
if the devs of 514 built the game based on YOUR guidelines, you'd still find something to whine about. nerf this, nerf that, SP takes too long to accrue, i want a respec..............so instead of starting another one of these threads, why don't you just contribute to one of the hundred other threads just like this one. |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
356
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Posted - 2013.07.31 05:16:00 -
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Having a real job and life makes paying for something like this easy. The fact that I can skill up passively is just a plus.
New Eden is not always about having fun, it's about building things and destroying things together. It might be a sad waste of life to play games by yourself all day, but I'm spending it with half a million other people, and IMO time spent with friends is never wasted. |
Our Deepest Regret
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2013.07.31 05:25:00 -
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I have to admit that Eve's cutthroat nature can be a cause for concern. I'm attracted to large, expansive online worlds, but I also enjoy being by myself while being immersed in them. Everything I've ever heard about EVE points to it being a haven of collectivism, where you're simply not going to enjoy much success by yourself. Being forced to rely on other people in order to play with star ships, sounds like a bummer. |
Government CheeseBurger
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
502
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Posted - 2013.07.31 05:25:00 -
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Wrong forum OP. |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.07.31 05:29:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:Having a real job and life makes paying for something like this easy. The fact that I can skill up passively is just a plus.
New Eden is not always about having fun, it's about building things and destroying things together. It might be a sad waste of life to play games by yourself all day, but I'm spending it with half a million other people, and IMO time spent with friends is never wasted. Well said.
I didn't come to New Eden to play someone else's story. I came to make my own journey, to forge my own path with the tools of the game. The friendships and rivalries I have made here count for something. I've met and traveled all over the world and hang out with plenty of my friends and their families, with New Eden being the common bond between us.
Dust and EVE are strong, emotional games to me. I have been through long droughts, and found oasis few and far between, but those moments of gaming, those singular, powerful conflicts and revelations have been experiences greater than any other game I have ever played or enjoyed.
The people make the games, and the games are the people.
imo |
Sir Eos
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.31 22:52:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:Having a real job and life makes paying for something like this easy. The fact that I can skill up passively is just a plus.
New Eden is not always about having fun, it's about building things and destroying things together. It might be a sad waste of life to play games by yourself all day, but I'm spending it with half a million other people, and IMO time spent with friends is never wasted. Well said. I didn't come to New Eden to play someone else's story. I came to make my own journey, to forge my own path with the tools of the game. The friendships and rivalries I have made here count for something. I've met and traveled all over the world and hang out with plenty of my friends and their families, with New Eden being the common bond between us. Dust and EVE are strong, emotional games to me. I have been through long droughts, and found oasis few and far between, but those moments of gaming, those singular, powerful conflicts and revelations have been experiences greater than any other game I have ever played or enjoyed. The people make the games, and the games are the people. imo Agree with you, I come to play my story, not someone elses. Having to absolutely join a corp to enjoy the game does not allow me to do this.
To make this constructive... EVE needs to protect non-corp players from the assholes that infest the community. I.E. if I have not joined a corp. I'm not interested in pvp.
Typing this from phone atm. So I'll be back to elaborate more on what I mean. If neccesary. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6810
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Posted - 2013.07.31 22:55:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FE9lVhLNmcI |
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.31 22:56:00 -
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Sir Eos wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Tallen Ellecon wrote:Having a real job and life makes paying for something like this easy. The fact that I can skill up passively is just a plus.
New Eden is not always about having fun, it's about building things and destroying things together. It might be a sad waste of life to play games by yourself all day, but I'm spending it with half a million other people, and IMO time spent with friends is never wasted. Well said. I didn't come to New Eden to play someone else's story. I came to make my own journey, to forge my own path with the tools of the game. The friendships and rivalries I have made here count for something. I've met and traveled all over the world and hang out with plenty of my friends and their families, with New Eden being the common bond between us. Dust and EVE are strong, emotional games to me. I have been through long droughts, and found oasis few and far between, but those moments of gaming, those singular, powerful conflicts and revelations have been experiences greater than any other game I have ever played or enjoyed. The people make the games, and the games are the people. imo Agree with you, I come to play my story, not someone elses. Having to absolutely join a corp to enjoy the game does not allow me to do this. To make this constructive... EVE needs to protect non-corp players from the assholes that infest the community. Typing this from phone atm. So I'll be back to elaborate more on what I mean. Still wrong forums, and there is protection, join a corp, make friends, get allies you can count on, who can provide advice and assistance. |
Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
463
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Posted - 2013.07.31 22:58:00 -
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sorry, I have to bust out the >implying.
>implying this is the only space MMO >implying this is the only game with a skill or point cap >implying you have to grind more than you want to >implying that this is the first MMO to employ timesinks >implying you're not allowed to take a break from the game >implying you won't accumulate SP when you do take a break >implying this game has a subscription fee
>implying you've experienced what this game has to offer having NEVER left your NPC corp.
"Ikomari-Onu Enforcement 2013.02.13 09:28 to this day"
No other corps in the employment history.
Sir Eos wrote: To make this constructive... EVE needs to protect non-corp players from the assholes that infest the community. I.E. if I have not joined a corp. I'm not interested in pvp.
There's lots of protections. In fact, in a NPC corp you're better protected from any possible abuses than being anywhere else. The thing is, its just not as interesting, and there's not quite as much to do (although there is a lot, at least in Eve). So show me on the doll where the evil player corporation touched you. |
Konohamaru Sarutobi
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
547
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Posted - 2013.07.31 22:59:00 -
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So many CPMs prospects. Oh no! my eyes!! |
Dagger-Two
Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords
47
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Posted - 2013.07.31 23:18:00 -
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Sir Eos wrote:
Because I realize that life is to short to keep reading the same book or playing the same game over and over and over again. Especially when there's new books/games being released every week.
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Enter EVERY OTHER MMORPG : Make a character, max out its level, get bored, make a new character, max out its level, get bored, and so on....
I can't even believe you can say that with a straight face. You sir are truly an idiot. |
KING SALASI
MAJOR DISTRIBUTION
175
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Posted - 2013.07.31 23:29:00 -
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Eve is awesome one of the best video games I've ever played. I love CCP my issue is Dust it's a really bad game that shouldn't be on console.
I expected more from CCP the brand. |
Sir Eos
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2013.08.01 00:42:00 -
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Oso Peresoso wrote:sorry, I have to bust out the >implying. >implying this is the only space MMO >implying this is the only game with a skill or point cap >implying you have to grind more than you want to >implying that this is the first MMO to employ timesinks >implying you're not allowed to take a break from the game >implying you won't accumulate SP when you do take a break >implying this game has a subscription fee >implying you've experienced what this game has to offer having NEVER left your NPC corp."Ikomari-Onu Enforcement 2013.02.13 09:28 to this day" No other corps in the employment history. Sir Eos wrote: To make this constructive... EVE needs to protect non-corp players from the assholes that infest the community. I.E. if I have not joined a corp. I'm not interested in pvp.
There's lots of protections. In fact, in a NPC corp you're better protected from any possible abuses than being anywhere else. The thing is, its just not as interesting, and there's not quite as much to do (although there is a lot, at least in Eve). So show me on the doll where the evil player corporation touched you.
You're taking a little too much interest in my history with this game.
Let me make it a littler easier for you. I've put a grand total of about 40 days into EvE. Stopped playing that the moment I realized its nothing but greifers camping low-sec.
I've put a grand total of 2 games into Dust. Stopped playing that the moment I realized they modeled it after EvE.
Now, I'm not saying EvE is completely bad. Only certain parts. Such as what I just described.
Basically. The reason you only have Half a million people contributing to your little fantasy world, is because CCP is too lazy to regulate the PVP side of things. And I don't mean a complete lock down on PVP. Some unregulated PVP is fine. And that entails the Backstabbing within Corps, etc.
But...as in my case, I'm still learning the game on my own time, completely disinterested in the PVP until such time that I am ready. That's to say... that I will eventually get involved into a Human Corporation and partake in PVP against other Human controlled Corporations in the future. But until I make the commitment to join a Human Corp.... I don't need random assholes greifing me, just because I entered a low-sec area of space. And they got nothing better to do than to camp that particular entrance. That is not an enjoyable experience for me. Nor can I imagine it being enjoyable for anyone else who is new at the game and still figuring out what "path" I want to take.
An MMO with unregulated PVP is nothing more than a haven to promote assholes. Your basically giving a green light to say, it's completely OK to ruin someone elses enjoyment of the game (especially newer players) which is exactly what happened to me. It's not fun to waste time grinding for something just to lose it for no other reason than, I entered a low-sec area of space.
In other words..... Just a little regulation on PVP would go a LOOOOOOOOONG way. I would probably still play EvE if CCP wasn't so ******* lazy in that regard. And no..... what is currently in place with the high-sec vs low-sec, isn't even close to what would be considered regulated.
Regulated in EvE would mean.... Unless Player A is part of a Human Controlled Corporation, they cannot initiate an attack on another player, nor be attacked by another player.
Simple. Effective.
And it makes PVP more in line with what PVP should be. Players who have consented to that aspect of the game. Instead of the greifing contest that EvE currently comes off as in which.... newer players are chased away because of it...
IE. If greifers were put in check... your Half a Million userbase, would probably be 5x times bigger. You, would have beaten World of Warcraft.
Oh, but.. I forget.... The average mentality of an EvE player is in line with keeping the population smaller so they can somehow feel special about it. Which....makes no ******* sense whatsoever.
And I fully understand that this is the Dust Forum. But I also understand that currently.... The only people playing Dust.. are Diehard EvE fanboys .... ....the perfect audience for me to put my point across too. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
791
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:16:00 -
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I hope to see you when Elite Dangerous comes out in March.
and if you don't like that there is always Star Citizen which will come out in full like a year later. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
2777
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:20:00 -
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gbghg wrote:You know, I read somewhere that eve-o is the only MMO out there that has consistently shown a rise in subscribers each year. Yup
tl;dr: I suck at this game, therefore it sucks. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
2777
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:23:00 -
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Sir Eos wrote:Oso Peresoso wrote:sorry, I have to bust out the >implying. >implying this is the only space MMO >implying this is the only game with a skill or point cap >implying you have to grind more than you want to >implying that this is the first MMO to employ timesinks >implying you're not allowed to take a break from the game >implying you won't accumulate SP when you do take a break >implying this game has a subscription fee >implying you've experienced what this game has to offer having NEVER left your NPC corp."Ikomari-Onu Enforcement 2013.02.13 09:28 to this day" No other corps in the employment history. Sir Eos wrote: To make this constructive... EVE needs to protect non-corp players from the assholes that infest the community. I.E. if I have not joined a corp. I'm not interested in pvp.
There's lots of protections. In fact, in a NPC corp you're better protected from any possible abuses than being anywhere else. The thing is, its just not as interesting, and there's not quite as much to do (although there is a lot, at least in Eve). So show me on the doll where the evil player corporation touched you. You're taking a little too much interest in my history with this game. Let me make it a littler easier for you. I've put a grand total of about 40 days into EvE. Stopped playing that the moment I realized its nothing but greifers camping low-sec. I've put a grand total of 2 games into Dust. Stopped playing that the moment I realized they modeled it after EvE. Now, I'm not saying EvE is completely bad. Only certain parts. Such as what I just described. Basically. The reason you only have Half a million people contributing to your little fantasy world, is because CCP is too lazy to regulate the PVP side of things. And I don't mean a complete lock down on PVP. Some unregulated PVP is fine. And that entails the Backstabbing within Corps, etc. But...as in my case, I'm still learning the game on my own time, completely disinterested in the PVP until such time that I am ready. That's to say... that I will eventually get involved into a Human Corporation and partake in PVP against other Human controlled Corporations in the future. But until I make the commitment to join a Human Corp.... I don't need random assholes greifing me, just because I entered a low-sec area of space. And they got nothing better to do than to camp that particular entrance. That is not an enjoyable experience for me. Nor can I imagine it being enjoyable for anyone else who is new at the game and still figuring out what "path" I want to take. And I want to figure out that "Path" on my own. I don't want or need the advice of other people telling me what the "Meta game" is, because then there is no point in me playing the game anymore if I have to follow someone elses advice to "Enjoy" it. An MMO with unregulated PVP is nothing more than a haven to promote assholes. Your basically giving a green light to say, it's completely OK to ruin someone elses enjoyment of the game (especially newer players) which is exactly what happened to me. It's not fun to waste time grinding for something just to lose it for no other reason than, I entered a low-sec area of space. In other words..... Just a little regulation on PVP would go a LOOOOOOOOONG way. I would probably still play EvE if CCP wasn't so ******* lazy in that regard. And no..... what is currently in place with the high-sec vs low-sec, isn't even close to what would be considered regulated. Regulated in EvE would mean.... Unless Player A is part of a Human Controlled Corporation, they cannot initiate an attack on another player, nor be attacked by another player. Simple. Effective. And it makes PVP more in line with what PVP should be. Players who have consented to that aspect of the game. Instead of the greifing contest that EvE currently comes off as in which.... newer players are chased away because of it... IE. If greifers were put in check... your Half a Million userbase, would probably be 5x times bigger. You, would have beaten World of Warcraft. Oh, but.. I forget.... The average mentality of an EvE player is in line with keeping the population smaller so they can somehow feel special about it. Which....makes no ******* sense whatsoever. And I fully understand that this is the Dust Forum. But I also understand that currently.... The only people playing Dust.. are Diehard EvE fanboys .... ....the perfect audience for me to put my point across too. I know what you're all about to say. This opens the door for Spies to infiltrate your systems. There are solutions to that.. But as I said. CCP is too lazy to bother. It's easier to just let the greifers run amok. I don't always double post.
But when I do, it's to laugh my ass off at tripe like this.
You did notice that warning prompt the game puts up that says that you should be careful going into low-sec, right? The one that WON'T LET YOU JUMP THROUGH THE GATE until you dismiss it? |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
791
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Posted - 2013.08.01 01:26:00 -
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cedz636 wrote:dear sir eos,
if the devs of 514 built the game based on YOUR guidelines, you'd still find something to whine about. nerf this, nerf that, SP takes too long to accrue, i want a respec..............so instead of starting another one of these threads, why don't you just contribute to one of the hundred other threads just like this one.
This is incorrect. MMOs that forgo the whole RPG style XP/leveling system do not have much of a "nerf that buff this" problem.
When was the last time you read someone bitching to jeb about a cobblestone nerf in minecraft?
With Dayz the biggest issues even coming close are the players say the some items are too common and the game should be harder....of course they mean harder actual game play...not longer pointless grinds.
So many problems come from CCP's choice to use SP in EvE/Dust it makes me think the OP is correct in pointing out that the reason for this is not for compelling game play but to milk players for money. |
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