It hasn't been locked yet, for a couple of reasons.

1. The moderators are probably laughing their asses off.

2. Everything that has been said in this thread, is true.

If what some random person in this thread has said is true about....
Star Citizen and other up-coming Space MMO's.

Then CCP is about to realize a very hard truth.

And unless they do something about greifers who's only excuse to greif you is

"That's part of the game"

Then they will find out soon enough.

Just because life is full of assholes, doesn't mean you should make a game based on it.
Doesn't mean you should encourage it as the "Meta".

It is.... just a game after all, an escape from the harsh realities of life.

The only reason you have the amount of population that you do, is because EvE is the only game that even comes close to giving a space simulation on such a massive scale.

The moment a developer comes out and matches what EvE has while at the same time regulating the scum of human kind. It will be over for you.

Just because you gain 1 or 2 players a year on top of what you already have...is nothing to be proud of.

I sometimes wonder if I am included in that statistic. Because yes, I joined up.. but I left. Do they give you statistic on how many people leave after a set amount of time?

Also, out of that Half a Million subscribers, how many are alts?

Lightly derogatory term for an MMO player who avoids PVP combat, heavily preferring cooperative or solo PVE combat, chatting, or developing tradeskills/running quests. Depending on the game and the individual, this PVP avoidance can show up in several ways: by playing on strict non-PVP servers; by avoiding PVP areas or declining duels; or, by avoiding or condemning PVP players. Philosophically, they often cite unbalanced combat systems, overpowered guilds, ebayed characters, and ganking as reasons to prefer less aggressive play. The mindset can be self-sustaining in several ways: high-level "care bears" may have avatars that are tailored for PVE, not PVP; they may not network with skilled PVP players; or, they may morally refuse to learn aggressive PVP tactics. As an insult, the term applies less to players who merely prefer PVE to PVP and more to individuals who question the basic legitimacy of PVP or who greatly overreact to their avatars' deaths. Bear in mind that it is strictly incorrect to refer to the victims of heavy exploiters as Care Bears. Abbreviated CB. Compare wi...

PvP was hardly forced on you, it's not like you were thrown into a ring right from the start and told to fight. You took a risk and traveled through a potentially dangerous area, you got attacked by someone, risk vs reward, you took a gamble and you lost. And now your crying about it to the wrong gaming community, real smooth.

And would some people camp the tutorials? Probably, but some people would do that in any game given the chance, it's not like eve has a monopoly on assholes. And let's go back to an earlier post, "one tree doesn't make a forest". I take it you've never heard of the angel project, or brave newbies inc, or eve uni, or one of several other project/corporations designed to help new players get into the game and get things like ships or skill books quicker. Just because you ran afoul of one ganker does not mean the entire community is full of assholes.

then explain the story of the guy who spent 7 years building one of largest ships available just to have "The community" gank it from him almost immediately.

Then explain all the stories of "The Community" ganking just about every Titan Ship that has ever been built.

It's not just my encounter with that "one ganker" it's your entire community being built around the idea of ganking.

Everything I ever read about this game, points to that conclusion.

It's like, the only reason to play the game.

Spend years grinding to build a huge ship, just to have people gang up and blow it up in some bs fashion.

And unfortunately, the way the game is paced.... the "Real" game doesn't start until you leave High-sec areas.

From what I understand, you can't build some of the larger ships in High-sec areas. Which basically means... PVP is being forced on you if you plan to do anything other waste time in tutorial sectors. In the 40 days that I played the game, I felt that I had seen everything that High-sec areas had to offer and I wasn't going anywhere. So, I wanted to see what was out in the "Real" parts of the game world... to see if there was any reason to continue playing. What I found... well... I found that PVP was being forced on me.

And yes, I found .... some stuff in High-sec areas... but certainly not enough to make me want to continue subscribing to the game.. That's for damn sure.

I promise to make this my last attempt to get you to realize how stupid this franchise is.


No matter how hard you try to make a loss mean something. At the end of the day it means nothing. But EvE tries to affect you emotionally to that degree all the same.

As I said earlier. This is the only game where I can forsee someone taking a severe loss far beyond what you or I could imagine.

It is afterall designed with that in mind. To make you care about a loss.

At the end of the day, it is just a game and means nothing.

So with that in mind. Instead of trying to fake depth by surrounding it with that bs timesink to make it take forever to see that depth. Give it some actual depth. If it takes more than a year solid to reach the "Meta Game"...
Grinding like that is not fun, or cool, or worthy of being called depth.

You're telling me to wait ... I forget. But it was a long ******* time. Just to turn drone 4 into drone 5? That is not depth

Space Zombies and Pirates appears to have about the same amount of depth as your game to be honest, from what I encountered.



Let me give you an example of Depth.

Call of Duty.
Besides the obvious.

Call of Duty doesn't mess around with a rediculously stretched out timesink.
Even while prestiging, the speed at which you reach max level or close to "Meta" Level is quick.
So then the depth comes from what?

Anyone?

HUMAN INTERACTIONS!

And I'll tell you what, CoD has much better competition than EvE does.



Don't think for one second that not Just about every gamer out there has a deep interest in a decent Space MMO.
But not when the timespan of the games RPG mechanics that hold you back tries to match the timespan of reality.
Just because schools in real life take years to go through.... Well, you figure it out.

Then to top it off, you make the other half of your game... Eh. You figure it out.

I sometimes wonder how some of you put yourselves through such a laborious game.

I promise to make this my last attempt to get you to realize how stupid this franchise is.


No matter how hard you try to make a loss mean something. At the end of the day it means nothing. But EvE tries to affect you emotionally to that degree all the same.

As I said earlier. This is the only game where I can forsee someone taking a severe loss far beyond what you or I could imagine.

It is afterall designed with that in mind. To make you care about a loss.

At the end of the day, it is just a game and means nothing.

So with that in mind. Instead of trying to fake depth by surrounding it with that bs timesink to make it take forever to see that depth. Give it some actual depth. If it takes more than a year solid to reach the "Meta Game"...
Grinding like that is not fun, or cool, or worthy of being called depth.

You're telling me to wait ... I forget. But it was a long ******* time. Just to turn drone 4 into drone 5? That is not depth

Space Zombies and Pirates appears to have about the same amount of depth as your game to be honest, from what I encountered.



Let me give you an example of Depth.

Call of Duty.
Besides the obvious.

Call of Duty doesn't mess around with a rediculously stretched out timesink.
Even while prestiging, the speed at which you reach max level or close to "Meta" Level is quick.
So then the depth comes from what?

Anyone?

HUMAN INTERACTIONS!

And I'll tell you what, CoD has much better competition than EvE does.



Don't think for one second that not Just about every gamer out there has a deep interest in a decent Space MMO.
But not when the timespan of the games RPG mechanics that hold you back tries to match the timespan of reality.
Just because schools in real life take years to go through.... Well, you figure it out.

Then to top it off, you make the other half of your game... Eh. You figure it out.

I sometimes wonder how some of you put yourselves through such a laborious game.

For being the ONLY space MMO out there.... says alot.

You'd think with as unique as it is, being the only Space Simulation MMO on the market, it'd be doing better than it currently is.

No other game offers such a huge Space Simulation MMO.

So, when you feel confident in trodding along with a small but consistent user-base (This includes Dust and EVE). Don't.
Because you could be doing .... SO MUCH BETTER.

And I think you all know the reasons why you are not.

1. A Game Community built around the idea of being assholes to each other with phrases such as HTFU.

2. A Giant worthless timesink grinding mechanic designed to make you spend as much time as possible waiting to get to the cool stuff all while charging a monthly fee.

It's really not a thinking mans game to be honest. It's a.. I have no life kind of game.

A Real thinking man, would see the timesink for what it is.
A greedy attempt to get you to subscribe to that monthly fee and keep you there for as long as possible.

Is there a reason you must dedicate your life to one game? Is there some kind of reward to say that you've played a single game for 50 years?

Hell over the past 20 years, I've played hundreds if not thousands of games.
You know why?
Because I realize that life is to short to keep reading the same book or playing the same game over and over and over again.
Especially when there's new books/games being released every week.

But I'm gonna waste money subscribing to a game that makes me wait weeks just to train 1 skill up 1 level.

It's pathetic.

Props to you CCP for suckering em in. Can't blame em though really, You are the only Space MMO out there.


That is all. Have fun thinking you are cool and elite because you play such a worthless game.

An intelligent man would be able to earn enough isk to pay for a plex and fund his Dust 514 soldier without paying the monthly fee and far less effort before his free trial is over.

I think you'd need to do some hardcore grinding to get enough ISK during your trial, that might be a bit of a stretch for the average immortal.

A friend just helped me set up my account again, but I can only play if I PLEX. Between my sexy Procurer and my even sexier PI network, I'm well on my way towards never having to pay for EVE time again.

What is your issue with this:

New player.
Unable to participate in PVP or be attacked by other players until....
They join a Human Corporation or attempt to start their own.

Once they do..
They are forever from that time forward flagged for PVP across the entire account.
Even if they disband the Corp or leave, they are still flagged.

Like I said. it's not that I don't enjoy PVP,. But don't force players into until they are ready.
They signal when they are ready when they join a Human Controlled Corporation.

Once a player is ready, it's not like them creating an alternate character resets that, unless they are lame enough to buy a secondary account. Which I'm sure alot of you do for other purposes. (You're lame btw)

You still get to keep your sandbox.
New players can play the game and join in the "Meta" when they are ready.
Greifers are forced to pick on someone their own size.
New players can at least experience more than just a slight step up from Tutorials to see if it's worth it.

Right now the amount that is seeable, before you start getting ganked...is not enough for me

"But... that will kill the Realism of the game..... duhr"
A game shouldn't aspire to be that real. Seriously.

If you need reality.. You should just turn around.....

Right now.

Yes, you.

Turn your chair around and see what's behind you.

That's reality.

Having a real job and life makes paying for something like this easy. The fact that I can skill up passively is just a plus.

New Eden is not always about having fun, it's about building things and destroying things together.
It might be a sad waste of life to play games by yourself all day, but I'm spending it with half a million other people, and IMO time spent with friends is never wasted.

I honestly can't believe you're still posting, and STILL being an arrogant, pompous a**hole.

You lack even basic understanding of core game mechanics or social happenings. You treat joining a player-run corp like its being doomed to be ganked for all eternity, where the hell do you even get that idea?

I don't think the word 'Meta" means what you think it means.

You don't lose a titan by getting 'ganked', you lose it because you have done something profoundly stupid, like hitting 'Jump to' instead of 'Bridge to' (lol-Asakai, amirite fellas?). Not to mention, if you HAVE A TITAN, you are very much oriented toward PVP and understand the risks. This imaginary 7-year carebear you speak of does not exist.

Real 'griefing' is not common, because if you're in high-sec space, and you shoot someone, concord comes and hits you with a bat. You can't just randomly shoot someone in high-sec and get away with it. Sure, it HAPPENS, people suicide gank for fun, but that is a TINY percentage of the community. YES there are pirates in low sec (they are not griefers, they are pirates. That is how they make their money.) but the game WARNS you about it, and at the heart of this is the fact that you DID NOT HEED THAT WARNING and got really butt-hurt about it.

There are literally HUNDREDS of other players available at ANY given time to answer questions or help you along in the help channels, starter corp channels, or even your local chat in starter systems. Hell, it's even a bannable offense to grief new players within starter systems. There are plenty of safeguards to make sure players don't have to experience PVP until they are ready, you clearly just aren't smart enough to see them. instead, you just want the game to hold your hand and kiss your boo-boos better. It's just not that kind of game, and for all your ranting about how horrible it is, it is STILL the only MMO of it's age to have constant growth year after year, and not just the "1 or 2" players you like to mistakenly point out.

The fact you have gone on about this for so long, refuse to shut up, and can't seem to realize that this is all merely your opinion and anyone who is ACTUALLY intelligent doesn't try so hard to force his opinions on others, tells me that you have lived a very sheltered life and have no freaking idea what reality is.

Don't hate on urban dictionary just because you absolutely fit the well-known definition of a carebear.

One last thing: You hate on the eve skill model, but riddle me this. If you make a WoW character, pay the monthly subscription, run through the game and get to level 85 or 90 or 100000 or whatever, then get bored and make another character because you're bored, only to do all the leveling again, get bored, and repeat...isn't THAT just another clever way of sucking a subcription fee out of somebody?

At least in eve, as I keep playing, my character will become better at more and more things. The passive skillpoints mean I can play eve when I have time, have my character advance, and STILL have a life. The only grind is for ISK, and if you know what you're doing, it's not really a grind at all.


Afterthought: Been following this thread for days, and I think it could be possible, that this guy has just been trolling us this whole time.

lol

>Make a new character
>Keep it in an NPC Corp
>Fly it wherever you want getting intel on whatever you want with impunity

This is a horrible idea. Ever consider that MMOs may just not be for you?

They aren't for everyone, you know.


Oh, and I love how you're representative of the "I want to avoid all PvP" trash that's shitting up the Star Citizen forums.

For being the ONLY space MMO out there.... says alot.

You'd think with as unique as it is, being the only Space Simulation MMO on the market, it'd be doing better than it currently is.

No other game offers such a huge Space Simulation MMO.

So, when you feel confident in trodding along with a small but consistent user-base (This includes Dust and EVE). Don't.
Because you could be doing .... SO MUCH BETTER.

And I think you all know the reasons why you are not.

1. A Game Community built around the idea of being assholes to each other with phrases such as HTFU.

2. A Giant worthless timesink grinding mechanic designed to make you spend as much time as possible waiting to get to the cool stuff all while charging a monthly fee.

It's really not a thinking mans game to be honest. It's a.. I have no life kind of game.

A Real thinking man, would see the timesink for what it is.
A greedy attempt to get you to subscribe to that monthly fee and keep you there for as long as possible.

Is there a reason you must dedicate your life to one game? Is there some kind of reward to say that you've played a single game for 50 years?

Hell over the past 20 years, I've played hundreds if not thousands of games.
You know why?
Because I realize that life is to short to keep reading the same book or playing the same game over and over and over again.
Especially when there's new books/games being released every week.

But I'm gonna waste money subscribing to a game that makes me wait weeks just to train 1 skill up 1 level.

It's pathetic.

Props to you CCP for suckering em in. Can't blame em though really, You are the only Space MMO out there.


That is all. Have fun thinking you are cool and elite because you play such a worthless game.