Self-entitled OP is hilariously self-entitled.

Yes, the ONLY reason the game could have this kind of design is to try and coerce people into spending all their money.

Somewhere along the line this "murder in every face" mentality stopped being funny and got to the point of being ******* pathetic.

Well said.

I didn't come to New Eden to play someone else's story. I came to make my own journey, to forge my own path with the tools of the game. The friendships and rivalries I have made here count for something. I've met and traveled all over the world and hang out with plenty of my friends and their families, with New Eden being the common bond between us.

Dust and EVE are strong, emotional games to me. I have been through long droughts, and found oasis few and far between, but those moments of gaming, those singular, powerful conflicts and revelations have been experiences greater than any other game I have ever played or enjoyed.

The people make the games, and the games are the people.

imo

For being the ONLY space MMO out there.... says alot.

You'd think with as unique as it is, being the only Space Simulation MMO on the market, it'd be doing better than it currently is.

No other game offers such a huge Space Simulation MMO.

So, when you feel confident in trodding along with a small but consistent user-base (This includes Dust and EVE). Don't.
Because you could be doing .... SO MUCH BETTER.

And I think you all know the reasons why you are not.

1. A Game Community built around the idea of being assholes to each other with phrases such as HTFU.

2. A Giant worthless timesink grinding mechanic designed to make you spend as much time as possible waiting to get to the cool stuff all while charging a monthly fee.

It's really not a thinking mans game to be honest. It's a.. I have no life kind of game.

A Real thinking man, would see the timesink for what it is.
A greedy attempt to get you to subscribe to that monthly fee and keep you there for as long as possible.

Is there a reason you must dedicate your life to one game? Is there some kind of reward to say that you've played a single game for 50 years?

Hell over the past 20 years, I've played hundreds if not thousands of games.
You know why?
Because I realize that life is to short to keep reading the same book or playing the same game over and over and over again.
Especially when there's new books/games being released every week.

But I'm gonna waste money subscribing to a game that makes me wait weeks just to train 1 skill up 1 level.

It's pathetic.

Props to you CCP for suckering em in. Can't blame em though really, You are the only Space MMO out there.


That is all. Have fun thinking you are cool and elite because you play such a worthless game.

I don't think you understand.

I never played Ultima Online for the very fact it had nearly unregulated PVP.
Runescape.... uhhhh.... NO!
I've dealt with these kinds of games before. They are, all the same.

You play, for the sole purpose that one day, you can take your advantage and camp at a bottleneck to the "Good Parts of the game" use it against someone at a disadvantage,( usually an extreme disadvantage) for the sole purpose of pissing that random person off.

IE. You play so that one day you can just start greifing other players.

Most News Bulletins coming out of your game, are a testament to this fact.

This game is advertised based on that fact.

I pity all of you.

You have just described every single game in existence, and life as well tbh. I pity you, are you sure you should be playing games?

The goal of games is to win, you do that by maximising your advantage, the same thing happens in life, you do your best to get yourself in the best position you can, with little regard how getting to that position will affect others around you.

You have just described every single game in existence, and life as well tbh. I pity you, are you sure you should be playing games?

The goal of games is to win, you do that by maximising your advantage, the same thing happens in life, you do your best to get yourself in the best position you can, with little regard how getting to that position will affect others around you.

sorry, I have to bust out the >implying.

>implying this is the only space MMO
>implying this is the only game with a skill or point cap
>implying you have to grind more than you want to
>implying that this is the first MMO to employ timesinks
>implying you're not allowed to take a break from the game
>implying you won't accumulate SP when you do take a break
>implying this game has a subscription fee


>implying you've experienced what this game has to offer having NEVER left your NPC corp.

"Ikomari-Onu Enforcement 2013.02.13 09:28 to this day"

No other corps in the employment history.



There's lots of protections. In fact, in a NPC corp you're better protected from any possible abuses than being anywhere else. The thing is, its just not as interesting, and there's not quite as much to do (although there is a lot, at least in Eve). So show me on the doll where the evil player corporation touched you.

Minecraft and DayZ are not like that. I guess in dayz you can get the better weapons but you can still be killed by a noob with an ax. In Minecraft if you play PvP a noob could set a trap and kill you...it also depends on how the server is configured.

I think he is talking about an SP advantage which has nothing to do with smarts or game play....you get it simply by being here longer then the players you gank.

This really comes down to how bad the whole SP/leveling system is for Dust...for EvE already sucks in my mind because you don't actually pilot your ship....how boring is that....but yeah if i actually liked the game play of EvE the SP/leveling system would be pile of crap as well.

dear sir eos,

if the devs of 514 built the game based on YOUR guidelines, you'd still find something to whine about. nerf this, nerf that, SP takes too long to accrue, i want a respec..............so instead of starting another one of these threads, why don't you just contribute to one of the hundred other threads just like this one.

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You're taking a little too much interest in my history with this game.

Let me make it a littler easier for you. I've put a grand total of about 40 days into EvE. Stopped playing that the moment I realized its nothing but greifers camping low-sec.

I've put a grand total of 2 games into Dust. Stopped playing that the moment I realized they modeled it after EvE.

Now, I'm not saying EvE is completely bad. Only certain parts. Such as what I just described.

Basically. The reason you only have Half a million people contributing to your little fantasy world, is because CCP is too lazy to regulate the PVP side of things. And I don't mean a complete lock down on PVP. Some unregulated PVP is fine. And that entails the Backstabbing within Corps, etc.

But...as in my case, I'm still learning the game on my own time, completely disinterested in the PVP until such time that I am ready.
That's to say... that I will eventually get involved into a Human Corporation and partake in PVP against other Human controlled Corporations in the future. But until I make the commitment to join a Human Corp.... I don't need random assholes greifing me, just because I entered a low-sec area of space.
And they got nothing better to do than to camp that particular entrance. That is not an enjoyable experience for me. Nor can I imagine it being enjoyable for anyone else who is new at the game and still figuring out what "path" I want to take.
And I want to figure out that "Path" on my own. I don't want or need the advice of other people telling me what the "Meta game" is, because then there is no point in me playing the game anymore if I have to follow someone elses advice to "Enjoy" it.

An MMO with unregulated PVP is nothing more than a haven to promote assholes. Your basically giving a green light to say, it's completely OK to ruin someone elses enjoyment of the game (especially newer players) which is exactly what happened to me. It's not fun to waste time grinding for something just to lose it for no other reason than, I entered a low-sec area of space.


In other words.....
Just a little regulation on PVP would go a LOOOOOOOOONG way.
I would probably still play EvE if CCP wasn't so ******* lazy in that regard.
And no..... what is currently in place with the high-sec vs low-sec, isn't even close to what would be considered regulated.

Regulated in EvE would mean....
Unless Player A is part of a Human Controlled Corporation, they cannot initiate an attack on another player, nor be attacked by another player.

Simple. Effective.

And it makes PVP more in line with what PVP should be. Players who have consented to that aspect of the game. Instead of the greifing contest that EvE currently comes off as in which.... newer players are chased away because of it...

IE. If greifers were put in check... your Half a Million userbase, would probably be 5x times bigger. You, would have beaten World of Warcraft.

Oh, but.. I forget.... The average mentality of an EvE player is in line with keeping the population smaller so they can somehow feel special about it. Which....makes no ******* sense whatsoever.

And I fully understand that this is the Dust Forum. But I also understand that currently.... The only people playing Dust.. are Diehard EvE fanboys ....
....the perfect audience for me to put my point across too.






I know what you're all about to say. This opens the door for Spies to infiltrate your systems. There are solutions to that.. But as I said. CCP is too lazy to bother. It's easier to just let the greifers run amok.

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So I assume the fact that I don't feel like I'm gated means I'm just a scrub and my thoughts don't matter?

The intent of both of these games is to provide a sandbox where the players do whatever they wish. Dust doesn't have that right now, but EVE has had it in spades for years, and that's part of why I never played another MMO up until last year.

I still prefer EVE over the others I play because it doesn't try to force people to play a certain way or "play nice with each other". It's an open world for all of us to do with as we see fit, and that's what makes it different.

Does that make it harder for new players to get into? Yes.

Does that make it automatically bad? No.

If they had dumped 10m isk in my account that would **** me off even more than them blowing me up.
What you don't realize is that guy pretty much pissed on you after shitting on you. You're just to dumb to see it.
He saw you as a charity case. Well? Are you?

I don't think you understand.

I never played Ultima Online for the very fact it had nearly unregulated PVP.
Runescape.... uhhhh.... NO!
I've dealt with these kinds of games before. They are, all the same.

You play, for the sole purpose that one day, you can take your advantage and camp at a bottleneck to the "Good Parts of the game" use it against someone at a disadvantage,( usually an extreme disadvantage) for the sole purpose of pissing that random person off.

IE. You play so that one day you can just start greifing other players.

Most News Bulletins coming out of your game, are a testament to this fact.

This game is advertised based on that fact.

I pity all of you.

So all the work I am doing to start a corp for newer players to join FW is really just my way of griefing you? Total fail on everything this thread is about. I am done with this thread. If you quit both games why are your here? What is the point of griefing us? Doesn't that make you the exact person you are raging about? I am sure that you check with all the players on other online games to see if they are new or at your skill level.

This is incorrect. MMOs that forgo the whole RPG style XP/leveling system do not have much of a "nerf that buff this" problem.

When was the last time you read someone bitching to jeb about a cobblestone nerf in minecraft?

With Dayz the biggest issues even coming close are the players say the some items are too common and the game should be harder....of course they mean harder actual game play...not longer pointless grinds.

So many problems come from CCP's choice to use SP in EvE/Dust it makes me think the OP is correct in pointing out that the reason for this is not for compelling game play but to milk players for money.

The fail in this post is just too much, how can you comment on something when you have spent so little time on them. I've never played eve myself but is 40 days not only slightly longer than the trial period? And 2 games of dust? That's not even half an hours playing, you can't judge something off such a shallow experience.

And there's something you need to understand, CCP aren't "too lazy" to regulate PvP, it's unregulated as a deliberate design choice, the "HTFU" and "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose" mentalities didn't come about by accident. You could say that eve is somewhat like real life in that regard, sometimes **** happens and you have no choice but to deal with the consequences.

And did you really say "only half a million people" you say that like its a bad thing. This game has over 500,000 accounts paying a monthly fee of what? -ú15? That comes to -ú7,500,000 a month!!! It's more than enough for CCP to keep on going. And unlike every other game out there, every single one of those accounts exist on the same server. Sure WoW might have the higher numbers but they're split across hundreds of servers, eve is different, eve is unique. The fact that it has unregulated PvP is one of its most important features, by the way, how can you say "a little unregulated PvP is fine" but then call for regulation for PvP in the same post?

The fact is Eve doesn't suffer fools, if you fly a bling ship you have no right to complain when someone ganks you, if your inexperience makes you wander into a system you should have avoided, well it's tough luck but you live and you learn. One of the things that attract me to eve is how the game doesn't hold your hand like pretty much everything else out there, as soon as I get a PC I'm gonna download the trial for it, will probably even subscribe to it.

In other words, if you want to play eve you have to have a "HTFU" mentality, not because your an *******, because their are assholes out there, both in real life and in games, accept it, deal with it, move on having learnt something from the encounter.

That's what businesses do. So I guess what I mean is "working as intended".