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You're taking a little too much interest in my history with this game.

Let me make it a littler easier for you. I've put a grand total of about 40 days into EvE. Stopped playing that the moment I realized its nothing but greifers camping low-sec.

I've put a grand total of 2 games into Dust. Stopped playing that the moment I realized they modeled it after EvE.

Now, I'm not saying EvE is completely bad. Only certain parts. Such as what I just described.

Basically. The reason you only have Half a million people contributing to your little fantasy world, is because CCP is too lazy to regulate the PVP side of things. And I don't mean a complete lock down on PVP. Some unregulated PVP is fine. And that entails the Backstabbing within Corps, etc.

But...as in my case, I'm still learning the game on my own time, completely disinterested in the PVP until such time that I am ready.
That's to say... that I will eventually get involved into a Human Corporation and partake in PVP against other Human controlled Corporations in the future. But until I make the commitment to join a Human Corp.... I don't need random assholes greifing me, just because I entered a low-sec area of space.
And they got nothing better to do than to camp that particular entrance. That is not an enjoyable experience for me. Nor can I imagine it being enjoyable for anyone else who is new at the game and still figuring out what "path" I want to take.
And I want to figure out that "Path" on my own. I don't want or need the advice of other people telling me what the "Meta game" is, because then there is no point in me playing the game anymore if I have to follow someone elses advice to "Enjoy" it.

An MMO with unregulated PVP is nothing more than a haven to promote assholes. Your basically giving a green light to say, it's completely OK to ruin someone elses enjoyment of the game (especially newer players) which is exactly what happened to me. It's not fun to waste time grinding for something just to lose it for no other reason than, I entered a low-sec area of space.


In other words.....
Just a little regulation on PVP would go a LOOOOOOOOONG way.
I would probably still play EvE if CCP wasn't so ******* lazy in that regard.
And no..... what is currently in place with the high-sec vs low-sec, isn't even close to what would be considered regulated.

Regulated in EvE would mean....
Unless Player A is part of a Human Controlled Corporation, they cannot initiate an attack on another player, nor be attacked by another player.

Simple. Effective.

And it makes PVP more in line with what PVP should be. Players who have consented to that aspect of the game. Instead of the greifing contest that EvE currently comes off as in which.... newer players are chased away because of it...

IE. If greifers were put in check... your Half a Million userbase, would probably be 5x times bigger. You, would have beaten World of Warcraft.

Oh, but.. I forget.... The average mentality of an EvE player is in line with keeping the population smaller so they can somehow feel special about it. Which....makes no ******* sense whatsoever.

And I fully understand that this is the Dust Forum. But I also understand that currently.... The only people playing Dust.. are Diehard EvE fanboys ....
....the perfect audience for me to put my point across too.






I know what you're all about to say. This opens the door for Spies to infiltrate your systems. There are solutions to that.. But as I said. CCP is too lazy to bother. It's easier to just let the greifers run amok.

The fail in this post is just too much, how can you comment on something when you have spent so little time on them. I've never played eve myself but is 40 days not only slightly longer than the trial period? And 2 games of dust? That's not even half an hours playing, you can't judge something off such a shallow experience.

And there's something you need to understand, CCP aren't "too lazy" to regulate PvP, it's unregulated as a deliberate design choice, the "HTFU" and "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose" mentalities didn't come about by accident. You could say that eve is somewhat like real life in that regard, sometimes **** happens and you have no choice but to deal with the consequences.

And did you really say "only half a million people" you say that like its a bad thing. This game has over 500,000 accounts paying a monthly fee of what? -ú15? That comes to -ú7,500,000 a month!!! It's more than enough for CCP to keep on going. And unlike every other game out there, every single one of those accounts exist on the same server. Sure WoW might have the higher numbers but they're split across hundreds of servers, eve is different, eve is unique. The fact that it has unregulated PvP is one of its most important features, by the way, how can you say "a little unregulated PvP is fine" but then call for regulation for PvP in the same post?

The fact is Eve doesn't suffer fools, if you fly a bling ship you have no right to complain when someone ganks you, if your inexperience makes you wander into a system you should have avoided, well it's tough luck but you live and you learn. One of the things that attract me to eve is how the game doesn't hold your hand like pretty much everything else out there, as soon as I get a PC I'm gonna download the trial for it, will probably even subscribe to it.

In other words, if you want to play eve you have to have a "HTFU" mentality, not because your an *******, because their are assholes out there, both in real life and in games, accept it, deal with it, move on having learnt something from the encounter.

This is incorrect. MMOs that forgo the whole RPG style XP/leveling system do not have much of a "nerf that buff this" problem.

When was the last time you read someone bitching to jeb about a cobblestone nerf in minecraft?

With Dayz the biggest issues even coming close are the players say the some items are too common and the game should be harder....of course they mean harder actual game play...not longer pointless grinds.

So many problems come from CCP's choice to use SP in EvE/Dust it makes me think the OP is correct in pointing out that the reason for this is not for compelling game play but to milk players for money.

I don't always double post.

But when I do, it's to laugh my ass off at tripe like this.

You did notice that warning prompt the game puts up that says that you should be careful going into low-sec, right? The one that WON'T LET YOU JUMP THROUGH THE GATE until you dismiss it?

Warning or not. If the playerbase of EvE represents how man would act as a glactic civilization in the future.

...

You figure it out.

500k to 6-7 bil is a decent enuogh sample size.

Attack first ask questions never is the game I played or experienced.

Has nothing to do with sucking at the game. It had everything to do with CCP not regulating the assholes.

Congratulations, you played a MMO for 40 days without involving yourself with other people, then complain when you venture into dangerous space, where more seasoned players go to shoot each other, and complain that you were 'griefed' though the game clearly warns you that it's dangerous.

It's no different than making a brand new character on your favourite fantasy MMO, then wandering into PVP areas, only to be swiftly obliterated by high level characters. EVE is not unique in this, nor is it a problem for any player who takes the time to read what is presented to him, and think about his actions.

I'll bet you never even read through the tutorials completely.

Wrong forum OP.

I've put a grand total of 2 games into Dust. Stopped playing that the moment I realized they modeled it after EvE.

Warning or not. If the playerbase of EvE represents how man would act as a glactic civilization in the future.

.

I'll just leave this link here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q

Edit: Hey look at that. 1 more like to break my 514 virginity

Did. I also fully understood the dangers, knew exactly where I was going. I had spent 40 days in low sec areas. It was time to see what the "REAL" game was like.

And as I said.

What I saw was players who

Attack first, ask questions never.

It was 1 giant douchbag circle-jerk.

"Be the Villain" they advertise for this franchise.

Sometimes, to be more successful, you have to think about more than just a "Group" of players and think about people who don't have YEARS TO DEDICATE to the game. I'm already what... 7 years behind? What makes you think a new player is gonna pick this up and stick with it knowing such information. That's why after 7 years you still haven't broken 1 million.

For being the ONLY space MMO out there.... says alot.

You'd think with as unique as it is, being the only Space Simulation MMO on the market, it'd be doing better than it currently is.

No other game offers such a huge Space Simulation MMO.

So, when you feel confident in trodding along with a small but consistent user-base (This includes Dust and EVE). Don't.
Because you could be doing .... SO MUCH BETTER.

And I think you all know the reasons why you are not.

1. A Game Community built around the idea of being assholes to each other with phrases such as HTFU.

2. A Giant worthless timesink grinding mechanic designed to make you spend as much time as possible waiting to get to the cool stuff all while charging a monthly fee.

It's really not a thinking mans game to be honest. It's a.. I have no life kind of game.

A Real thinking man, would see the timesink for what it is.
A greedy attempt to get you to subscribe to that monthly fee and keep you there for as long as possible.

Is there a reason you must dedicate your life to one game? Is there some kind of reward to say that you've played a single game for 50 years?

Hell over the past 20 years, I've played hundreds if not thousands of games.
You know why?
Because I realize that life is to short to keep reading the same book or playing the same game over and over and over again.
Especially when there's new books/games being released every week.

But I'm gonna waste money subscribing to a game that makes me wait weeks just to train 1 skill up 1 level.

It's pathetic.

Props to you CCP for suckering em in. Can't blame em though really, You are the only Space MMO out there.


That is all. Have fun thinking you are cool and elite because you play such a worthless game.

Did. I also fully understood the dangers, knew exactly where I was going. I had spent 40 days in low sec areas. It was time to see what the "REAL" game was like.

And as I said.

What I saw was players who

Attack first, ask questions never.

It was 1 giant douchbag circle-jerk.

"Be the Villain" they advertise for this franchise.

Sometimes, to be more successful, you have to think about more than just a "Group" of players and think about people who don't have YEARS TO DEDICATE to the game. I'm already what... 7 years behind? What makes you think a new player is gonna pick this up and stick with it knowing such information. That's why after 7 years you still haven't broken 1 million. Awesome game btw. Just horrible execution. You built it for the worst part of the internet.

Basically....

New Eden Population = Youtube Trolls = Gltichers on Console FPS's = Campers/AFK'rs/Team Betrayers/Douchbags/etc.

I guess I should be thankful. That's Half a Million less of you ruining other games.

Did. I also fully understood the dangers, knew exactly where I was going. I had spent 40 days in low sec areas. It was time to see what the "REAL" game was like.

And as I said.

What I saw was players who

Attack first, ask questions never.

It was 1 giant douchbag circle-jerk.

"Be the Villain" they advertise for this franchise.

Sometimes, to be more successful, you have to think about more than just a "Group" of players and think about people who don't have YEARS TO DEDICATE to the game. I'm already what... 7 years behind? What makes you think a new player is gonna pick this up and stick with it knowing such information. That's why after 7 years you still haven't broken 1 million. Awesome game btw. Just horrible execution. You built it for the worst part of the internet.

Basically....

New Eden Population = Youtube Trolls = Gltichers on Console FPS's = Campers/AFK'rs/Team Betrayers/Douchbags/etc.

I guess I should be thankful. That's Half a Million less of you ruining other games.

That's your excuse?

First guy I ever killed one on one had 30 million skillpoints to my 8.

Next kill I got required some friends to come in and help me, but it was against a 105 million SP character in a Strategic (Tech-III) Cruiser, and I was at 10 million and flying a Tech-I cruiser. I survived against his fire and held him down for my allies to come and blow him up.

You can get all the way up to the 440 something million the game has at its max, and you can still be killed by a frigate flown by a 4 week player.

Ultimately, my point is this...

Everyone talks **** about games made for "Casuals" because they somehow drag down online gaming with their stupidity. Or some **** like that.

But the reality is, it is exactly the type of people who play and enjoy the "Meta" of games like EvE and Dust that drag down online gaming.



there is a difference between Playing a game like CoD in which the point is to technically do an evil deed to another player. That is the only choice given in that game. Until the person takes advantage of glitches, with all the effects that stem from that.

Compared to the PVP that takes place in New Eden. Which is truly beyond the boundaries of the game world in terms of the "Meta". The only game where losing something could possibly actually lead to player commiting suicide. I can see something like that happening in a game like this. I would never get that angry. But, I cannot speak for all Half a Million of your users.

Ultimately, my point is this...

Everyone talks **** about games made for "Casuals" because they somehow drag down online gaming with their stupidity. Or some **** like that.

But the reality is, it is exactly the type of people who play and enjoy the "Meta" of games like EvE and Dust that drag down online gaming.



there is a difference between Playing a game like CoD in which the point is to technically do an evil deed to another player. That is the only choice given in that game. Until the person takes advantage of glitches, with all the effects that stem from that.

Compared to the PVP that takes place in New Eden. Which is truly beyond the boundaries of the game world in terms of the "Meta". The only game where losing something could possibly actually lead to player commiting suicide. I can see something like that happening in a game like this. I would never get that angry. But, I cannot speak for all Half a Million of your users.

I don't think you understand.

I never played Ultima Online for the very fact it had nearly unregulated PVP.
Runescape.... uhhhh.... NO!
I've dealt with these kinds of games before. They are, all the same.

You play, for the sole purpose that one day, you can take your advantage and camp at a bottleneck to the "Good Parts of the game" use it against someone at a disadvantage,( usually an extreme disadvantage) for the sole purpose of pissing that random person off.

IE. You play so that one day you can just start greifing other players.

Most News Bulletins coming out of your game, are a testament to this fact.

This game is advertised based on that fact.

I pity all of you.

I don't think you understand.

I never played Ultima Online for the very fact it had nearly unregulated PVP.
Runescape.... uhhhh.... NO!
I've dealt with these kinds of games before. They are, all the same.

You play, for the sole purpose that one day, you can take your advantage and camp at a bottleneck to the "Good Parts of the game" use it against someone at a disadvantage,( usually an extreme disadvantage) for the sole purpose of pissing that random person off.

IE. You play so that one day you can just start greifing other players.

Most News Bulletins coming out of your game, are a testament to this fact.

This game is advertised based on that fact.

I pity all of you.

Oh please go on

Yes please do, this is hilarious. And if you play any online game you will see griefing, it's everywhere, you don't even have to look hard.

Self-entitled OP is hilariously self-entitled.

Yes, the ONLY reason the game could have this kind of design is to try and coerce people into spending all their money.

Somewhere along the line this "murder in every face" mentality stopped being funny and got to the point of being ******* pathetic.

I don't think you understand.

I never played Ultima Online for the very fact it had nearly unregulated PVP.
Runescape.... uhhhh.... NO!
I've dealt with these kinds of games before. They are, all the same.

You play, for the sole purpose that one day, you can take your advantage and camp at a bottleneck to the "Good Parts of the game" use it against someone at a disadvantage,( usually an extreme disadvantage) for the sole purpose of pissing that random person off.

IE. You play so that one day you can just start greifing other players.

Most News Bulletins coming out of your game, are a testament to this fact.

This game is advertised based on that fact.

I pity all of you.

Duh.

But EvE takes it much further. EvE somehow thinks its a contest to see who can get the most douchebags to subscribe.

For being the ONLY space MMO out there.... says alot.

You'd think with as unique as it is, being the only Space Simulation MMO on the market, it'd be doing better than it currently is.

No other game offers such a huge Space Simulation MMO.

So, when you feel confident in trodding along with a small but consistent user-base (This includes Dust and EVE). Don't.
Because you could be doing .... SO MUCH BETTER.

And I think you all know the reasons why you are not.

1. A Game Community built around the idea of being assholes to each other with phrases such as HTFU.

2. A Giant worthless timesink grinding mechanic designed to make you spend as much time as possible waiting to get to the cool stuff all while charging a monthly fee.

It's really not a thinking mans game to be honest. It's a.. I have no life kind of game.

A Real thinking man, would see the timesink for what it is.
A greedy attempt to get you to subscribe to that monthly fee and keep you there for as long as possible.

Is there a reason you must dedicate your life to one game? Is there some kind of reward to say that you've played a single game for 50 years?

Hell over the past 20 years, I've played hundreds if not thousands of games.
You know why?
Because I realize that life is to short to keep reading the same book or playing the same game over and over and over again.
Especially when there's new books/games being released every week.

But I'm gonna waste money subscribing to a game that makes me wait weeks just to train 1 skill up 1 level.

It's pathetic.

Props to you CCP for suckering em in. Can't blame em though really, You are the only Space MMO out there.


That is all. Have fun thinking you are cool and elite because you play such a worthless game.