Agree with you, I come to play my story, not someone elses.
Having to absolutely join a corp to enjoy the game does not allow me to do this.

To make this constructive...
EVE needs to protect non-corp players from the assholes that infest the community.

Typing this from phone atm. So I'll be back to elaborate more on what I mean.

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You're taking a little too much interest in my history with this game.

Let me make it a littler easier for you. I've put a grand total of about 40 days into EvE. Stopped playing that the moment I realized its nothing but greifers camping low-sec.

I've put a grand total of 2 games into Dust. Stopped playing that the moment I realized they modeled it after EvE.

Now, I'm not saying EvE is completely bad. Only certain parts. Such as what I just described.

Basically. The reason you only have Half a million people contributing to your little fantasy world, is because CCP is too lazy to regulate the PVP side of things. And I don't mean a complete lock down on PVP. Some unregulated PVP is fine. And that entails the Backstabbing within Corps, etc.

But...as in my case, I'm still learning the game on my own time, completely disinterested in the PVP until such time that I am ready.
That's to say... that I will eventually get involved into a Human Corporation and partake in PVP against other Human controlled Corporations in the future. But until I make the commitment to join a Human Corp.... I don't need random assholes greifing me, just because I entered a low-sec area of space.
And they got nothing better to do than to camp that particular entrance. That is not an enjoyable experience for me. Nor can I imagine it being enjoyable for anyone else who is new at the game and still figuring out what "path" I want to take.
And I want to figure out that "Path" on my own. I don't want or need the advice of other people telling me what the "Meta game" is, because then there is no point in me playing the game anymore if I have to follow someone elses advice to "Enjoy" it.

An MMO with unregulated PVP is nothing more than a haven to promote assholes. Your basically giving a green light to say, it's completely OK to ruin someone elses enjoyment of the game (especially newer players) which is exactly what happened to me. It's not fun to waste time grinding for something just to lose it for no other reason than, I entered a low-sec area of space.


In other words.....
Just a little regulation on PVP would go a LOOOOOOOOONG way.
I would probably still play EvE if CCP wasn't so ******* lazy in that regard.
And no..... what is currently in place with the high-sec vs low-sec, isn't even close to what would be considered regulated.

Regulated in EvE would mean....
Unless Player A is part of a Human Controlled Corporation, they cannot initiate an attack on another player, nor be attacked by another player.

Simple. Effective.

And it makes PVP more in line with what PVP should be. Players who have consented to that aspect of the game. Instead of the greifing contest that EvE currently comes off as in which.... newer players are chased away because of it...

IE. If greifers were put in check... your Half a Million userbase, would probably be 5x times bigger. You, would have beaten World of Warcraft.

Oh, but.. I forget.... The average mentality of an EvE player is in line with keeping the population smaller so they can somehow feel special about it. Which....makes no ******* sense whatsoever.

And I fully understand that this is the Dust Forum. But I also understand that currently.... The only people playing Dust.. are Diehard EvE fanboys ....
....the perfect audience for me to put my point across too.






I know what you're all about to say. This opens the door for Spies to infiltrate your systems. There are solutions to that.. But as I said. CCP is too lazy to bother. It's easier to just let the greifers run amok.

I'll just leave this link here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q

Edit: Hey look at that. 1 more like to break my 514 virginity

Did. I also fully understood the dangers, knew exactly where I was going. I had spent 40 days in low sec areas. It was time to see what the "REAL" game was like.

And as I said.

What I saw was players who

Attack first, ask questions never.

It was 1 giant douchbag circle-jerk.

"Be the Villain" they advertise for this franchise.

Sometimes, to be more successful, you have to think about more than just a "Group" of players and think about people who don't have YEARS TO DEDICATE to the game. I'm already what... 7 years behind? What makes you think a new player is gonna pick this up and stick with it knowing such information. That's why after 7 years you still haven't broken 1 million. Awesome game btw. Just horrible execution. You built it for the worst part of the internet.

Basically....

New Eden Population = Youtube Trolls = Gltichers on Console FPS's = Campers/AFK'rs/Team Betrayers/Douchbags/etc.

I guess I should be thankful. That's Half a Million less of you ruining other games.

I don't think you understand.

I never played Ultima Online for the very fact it had nearly unregulated PVP.
Runescape.... uhhhh.... NO!
I've dealt with these kinds of games before. They are, all the same.

You play, for the sole purpose that one day, you can take your advantage and camp at a bottleneck to the "Good Parts of the game" use it against someone at a disadvantage,( usually an extreme disadvantage) for the sole purpose of pissing that random person off.

IE. You play so that one day you can just start greifing other players.

Most News Bulletins coming out of your game, are a testament to this fact.

This game is advertised based on that fact.

I pity all of you.

Oh please go on

Duh.

But EvE takes it much further. EvE somehow thinks its a contest to see who can get the most douchebags to subscribe.

Minecraft and DayZ are not like that. I guess in dayz you can get the better weapons but you can still be killed by a noob with an ax. In Minecraft if you play PvP a noob could set a trap and kill you...it also depends on how the server is configured.

I think he is talking about an SP advantage which has nothing to do with smarts or game play....you get it simply by being here longer then the players you gank.

This really comes down to how bad the whole SP/leveling system is for Dust...for EvE already sucks in my mind because you don't actually pilot your ship....how boring is that....but yeah if i actually liked the game play of EvE the SP/leveling system would be pile of crap as well.

I can get you to a safer null system if you want to make some fast mining ISK. Shoot me a email when you get signed up.

In the above posts i mentioned at least 5 different for profit games that don't do that.

I even mentioned WoW which has the same type of subscription model and how they are different as that game is full of content.

It hasn't been locked yet, for a couple of reasons.

1. The moderators are probably laughing their asses off.

2. Everything that has been said in this thread, is true.

If what some random person in this thread has said is true about....
Star Citizen and other up-coming Space MMO's.

Then CCP is about to realize a very hard truth.

And unless they do something about greifers who's only excuse to greif you is

"That's part of the game"

Then they will find out soon enough.

Just because life is full of assholes, doesn't mean you should make a game based on it.
Doesn't mean you should encourage it as the "Meta".

It is.... just a game after all, an escape from the harsh realities of life.

The only reason you have the amount of population that you do, is because EvE is the only game that even comes close to giving a space simulation on such a massive scale.

The moment a developer comes out and matches what EvE has while at the same time regulating the scum of human kind. It will be over for you.

Just because you gain 1 or 2 players a year on top of what you already have...is nothing to be proud of.

I sometimes wonder if I am included in that statistic. Because yes, I joined up.. but I left. Do they give you statistic on how many people leave after a set amount of time?

Also, out of that Half a Million subscribers, how many are alts?

Lightly derogatory term for an MMO player who avoids PVP combat, heavily preferring cooperative or solo PVE combat, chatting, or developing tradeskills/running quests. Depending on the game and the individual, this PVP avoidance can show up in several ways: by playing on strict non-PVP servers; by avoiding PVP areas or declining duels; or, by avoiding or condemning PVP players. Philosophically, they often cite unbalanced combat systems, overpowered guilds, ebayed characters, and ganking as reasons to prefer less aggressive play. The mindset can be self-sustaining in several ways: high-level "care bears" may have avatars that are tailored for PVE, not PVP; they may not network with skilled PVP players; or, they may morally refuse to learn aggressive PVP tactics. As an insult, the term applies less to players who merely prefer PVE to PVP and more to individuals who question the basic legitimacy of PVP or who greatly overreact to their avatars' deaths. Bear in mind that it is strictly incorrect to refer to the victims of heavy exploiters as Care Bears. Abbreviated CB. Compare wi...

I promise to make this my last attempt to get you to realize how stupid this franchise is.


No matter how hard you try to make a loss mean something. At the end of the day it means nothing. But EvE tries to affect you emotionally to that degree all the same.

As I said earlier. This is the only game where I can forsee someone taking a severe loss far beyond what you or I could imagine.

It is afterall designed with that in mind. To make you care about a loss.

At the end of the day, it is just a game and means nothing.

So with that in mind. Instead of trying to fake depth by surrounding it with that bs timesink to make it take forever to see that depth. Give it some actual depth. If it takes more than a year solid to reach the "Meta Game"...
Grinding like that is not fun, or cool, or worthy of being called depth.

You're telling me to wait ... I forget. But it was a long ******* time. Just to turn drone 4 into drone 5? That is not depth

Space Zombies and Pirates appears to have about the same amount of depth as your game to be honest, from what I encountered.



Let me give you an example of Depth.

Call of Duty.
Besides the obvious.

Call of Duty doesn't mess around with a rediculously stretched out timesink.
Even while prestiging, the speed at which you reach max level or close to "Meta" Level is quick.
So then the depth comes from what?

Anyone?

HUMAN INTERACTIONS!

And I'll tell you what, CoD has much better competition than EvE does.



Don't think for one second that not Just about every gamer out there has a deep interest in a decent Space MMO.
But not when the timespan of the games RPG mechanics that hold you back tries to match the timespan of reality.
Just because schools in real life take years to go through.... Well, you figure it out.

Then to top it off, you make the other half of your game... Eh. You figure it out.

I sometimes wonder how some of you put yourselves through such a laborious game.

I honestly can't believe you're still posting, and STILL being an arrogant, pompous a**hole.

You lack even basic understanding of core game mechanics or social happenings. You treat joining a player-run corp like its being doomed to be ganked for all eternity, where the hell do you even get that idea?

I don't think the word 'Meta" means what you think it means.

You don't lose a titan by getting 'ganked', you lose it because you have done something profoundly stupid, like hitting 'Jump to' instead of 'Bridge to' (lol-Asakai, amirite fellas?). Not to mention, if you HAVE A TITAN, you are very much oriented toward PVP and understand the risks. This imaginary 7-year carebear you speak of does not exist.

Real 'griefing' is not common, because if you're in high-sec space, and you shoot someone, concord comes and hits you with a bat. You can't just randomly shoot someone in high-sec and get away with it. Sure, it HAPPENS, people suicide gank for fun, but that is a TINY percentage of the community. YES there are pirates in low sec (they are not griefers, they are pirates. That is how they make their money.) but the game WARNS you about it, and at the heart of this is the fact that you DID NOT HEED THAT WARNING and got really butt-hurt about it.

There are literally HUNDREDS of other players available at ANY given time to answer questions or help you along in the help channels, starter corp channels, or even your local chat in starter systems. Hell, it's even a bannable offense to grief new players within starter systems. There are plenty of safeguards to make sure players don't have to experience PVP until they are ready, you clearly just aren't smart enough to see them. instead, you just want the game to hold your hand and kiss your boo-boos better. It's just not that kind of game, and for all your ranting about how horrible it is, it is STILL the only MMO of it's age to have constant growth year after year, and not just the "1 or 2" players you like to mistakenly point out.

The fact you have gone on about this for so long, refuse to shut up, and can't seem to realize that this is all merely your opinion and anyone who is ACTUALLY intelligent doesn't try so hard to force his opinions on others, tells me that you have lived a very sheltered life and have no freaking idea what reality is.

Don't hate on urban dictionary just because you absolutely fit the well-known definition of a carebear.

One last thing: You hate on the eve skill model, but riddle me this. If you make a WoW character, pay the monthly subscription, run through the game and get to level 85 or 90 or 100000 or whatever, then get bored and make another character because you're bored, only to do all the leveling again, get bored, and repeat...isn't THAT just another clever way of sucking a subcription fee out of somebody?

At least in eve, as I keep playing, my character will become better at more and more things. The passive skillpoints mean I can play eve when I have time, have my character advance, and STILL have a life. The only grind is for ISK, and if you know what you're doing, it's not really a grind at all.


Afterthought: Been following this thread for days, and I think it could be possible, that this guy has just been trolling us this whole time.