+1, but I doubt it'll ever happen. The AR 514ers love their 3-shot-kill bullet hoses too much.

And it would seem that CCP caters to them.

At one point I had the understanding that CCP wanted balance to all weapons and that they were checking their metrics constantly. Wouldn't the metrics indicate that the VAST majority of people are using the AR? While I totally understand that this is the vanilla/standard weapon, what I don't enjoy seeing is nothing but assault rifles peppered with some heavies and snipers in match after match. I don't want to see the AR get pounded by the CCP Nerf Hammer (as this is what usually happens) but I would like to see some balance made to it where other weapons are desired as well. When you start to see scouts running ARs you really have to wonder.

All in all, what I truly curious about is this: What are the metrics and percentages behind how many use the AR? Is the amount of people using the AR CCP's intent?

I really do enjoy the concept behind the game, but being a scout class character I am not presently finding much enjoyment in this.

Nooo don't nerf it's the only thing thats gallente that is not underpowered shotguns and plasma cannons.

I don't have a problem directly with the AR, I have a problem with the range. Remember when we had the hard range cap at the beginning of Uprising? Even though people complained, it encouraged more tactical play and squads running together. Now it's like having LW SS all over again in Chromosome and everyone spraying across the map. It makes the TAC AR completely useless and takes away an advantage the ScR and Laser should have. If anything, the damage falloff,/dispersion needs to be more drastic outside of 30m, or we need the range hard cap back, this is getting kind of ridiculous when you can get sniped across the map with a full auto weapon.

At one point I had the understanding that CCP wanted balance to all weapons and that they were checking their metrics constantly. Wouldn't the metrics indicate that the VAST majority of people are using the AR? While I totally understand that this is the vanilla/standard weapon, what I don't enjoy seeing is nothing but assault rifles peppered with some heavies and snipers in match after match. I don't want to see the AR get pounded by the CCP Nerf Hammer (as this is what usually happens) but I would like to see some balance made to it where other weapons are desired as well. When you start to see scouts running ARs you really have to wonder.

All in all, what I truly curious about is this: What are the metrics and percentages behind how many use the AR? Is the amount of people using the AR CCP's intent?

I really do enjoy the concept behind the game, but being a scout class character I am not presently finding much enjoyment in this.

AR is used mostly because it is an easy to use, and recognizable weapon in any FPS. It is the go to gun for every FPS out there, actually the only thing the AR needs is its DPS increased and range decreased.

I was thinking that it would be as a racial standard.

So the GAR would still have the Breach variant which would end up being roughly the same range as the SMG then step it out so that the Breach Combat Rifle and the Tac GAR have roughly the same range and so on and so forth.

Yeah, that sounds about right. I hope they can at least buff the breach up at least. That was my favorite back in beta, it's overdue for a buff. Maybe a keep the low clip, but raise the RoF.

I wouldn't disagree with a slight (slight) RoF increase.

My biggest suggestion would be to increase dispersion quite a bit. I use the AR as bread and butter (because I'm bad) and I can agree that the damage projection is far too high.

That being said it'll be easier to balance without mass community range when all the weapons are introduced

They'll rage no matter what. I also expect some rage over the Gauss Rifle too since it's a skill shot weapon. It won't be FotM material, but it's going to annoy the hell out of people that think it's an "I win button."

The assault rifle is filling in a bunch of gaps ATM I suspect... But straight nerfing it without filling in the gaps is the wrong way.

They are currently testing the RR and CR now... Like all things dust... Well just have to wait.

I don't know what half of you people are talking about. CCP needs to put down the AR for a while and give some love to other weapons that lack "rifle" in the title.

Well if they balance the ar it needs more damange but shorter range then the assault scrambler rifle.

Agreed, Buff RoF by 10-15 RPM, and Buff Damage by 3-7 Points, and Drop its by range a third/quarter.

Balancing the AR is actually very easy: Standard variant and breach variant have their RoF switched. Easy.

Oh Jesus that be scary.

Remember the BrAR from Codex?

It be like that on steroids.

*Shivers* the BrAR needs a moderate RoF buff, and, I would settle for just cutting the STD AR range by a third. AR has a good TTK right now. And a lot of other guns need a fix (I say fix cause SGs are UP cause CQC HD and aiming isn't really good. And several other weapons are like it), not a straight buff, like that thing about HMGhD that of you don't have the dot on target, nothing hits.

The only thing they really need to do to balance the standard AR is bullet spread in my opinion not to much though still needs a little accuracy around medium ranges

the variants need a little buffing though
range for breach AR
damage for burst AR
Tac AR is grand no change necessary since the nerf

QFT. Currently we're playing AR 514. The AR is way overused, and it's well past time that CCP do something about it.

It seems though that the current philosophy from CCP regarding Dust is go AR or go home.

Hail AR 514, hail king AR.

Just so we're all on the same page, this is about the standard full auto right? That's the one that needs to have the shortest range, like breach AR range. The breach could use a RoF buff, burst needs less dispersion with virtually no kick and the TAC AR is fine as is after it got rebalanced.

I remember the days of Dust when we saw a large variety of weapons used. Not anymore.

I remember complaining when a scrambler pistol killed me or an HMG tore me up. I remember being worried when I heard a laser. I remember mass drivers that would suppress the crap out of me while approaching an objective.
I once even used the SMG on my scout suit and it was a beastly weapon but that was back in Skirmish 1.0 days.
I remember the shotgun in the hands of a scout and you'd have to call that out to your team since it was a huge threat.

All that time, the AR still reigned supreme but at least the scrambler pistol, laser, HMG, massdriver, SMG, and shotgun worked well against AR users and non AR users of equal skill in Chromosome and earlier builds.

The laser could out range the AR user. The Shotgun could out CQC the AR, the HMG (when it had range) could suppress the AR.

I always found the laser (not including the Viziam or damage mods) and HMG to be the most effective weapons against the AR in Chromosome but not anymore. Those were the days.

they need to nerf the damage out put of these weapons OR increase the damage out put of the HMG. because an HMG should never be out dps'd or out gunned by an AR, in a situation of equal standing

At one point I had the understanding that CCP wanted balance to all weapons and that they were checking their metrics constantly. Wouldn't the metrics indicate that the VAST majority of people are using the AR? While I totally understand that this is the vanilla/standard weapon, what I don't enjoy seeing is nothing but assault rifles peppered with some heavies and snipers in match after match. I don't want to see the AR get pounded by the CCP Nerf Hammer (as this is what usually happens) but I would like to see some balance made to it where other weapons are desired as well. When you start to see scouts running ARs you really have to wonder.

All in all, what I truly curious about is this: What are the metrics and percentages behind how many use the AR? Is the amount of people using the AR CCP's intent?

I really do enjoy the concept behind the game, but being a scout class character I am not presently finding much enjoyment in this.

I understand why you don't enjoy this. The only solution is to change it up and suggest to squadmates to change it up. You have the power already in your hands to make a difference. I personally find it offensive that every last scout on the map seems to carry a militia shotgun.

Just so we're all on the same page, this is about the standard full auto right? That's the one that needs to have the shortest range, like breach AR range. The breach could use a RoF buff, burst needs less dispersion with virtually no kick and the TAC AR is fine as is after it got rebalanced.

The AR doesn't need a damage nerf it needs more spread.

It should be used as a mid range weapon...not a long range one that's still super accurate from far away. This is all that needs to be changed and then the AR will finally feel like what it's meant to be.

Gah. I have been saying this ever since the first build I started playing this game in and it has never changed.

Kick and dispersion were near perfect in Chromosome from what I remember. The GEK kicked like a donkey on PCP compared to now. You can go through almost a full clip with pinpoint accuracy before any kind of recoil. Only problem is that it didn't matter back then since weaponry, proficiency and a complex damage mod could get cheap incidental damage kills from across the map.

That sums it up pretty much.
We all know it was Sharpshooter that was ******* everything up. That's why it was taken out.

If the regular AR is given the same kick in ADS as the Assault Scrambler Rifle, problem solved.

Not sure what the delay is. That really is the only thing left that's wrong with the AR. Increase the ADS kick from the moment you start firing. Problem solved.

write down every infantry and vehicle weapon and tally which weapons are making most kills... doubt ARs will even make 50%

I've done this many times.

ARs were around 65-70%
Snipers made up 20%
HMG's, grenades, and LAV's made up another 10%

I'd like to know how a militia AR did 800 damage to me from one bullet. This happens constantly. Kinda getting annoying

I (in a Heavy, 1133 HP) went toe to toe wit a Medium Amarr Assault (ADV Version). He had a GEK, I had a MLR-A Burst HMG(Level 4 Proficency, 1 Complex Damage mod).

We both stood still firing at each other from 15 meters. I put 2 bursts in him(~3.5-4 seconds). He put god knows how many rounds in to me.

Guess who won the combat? Hint: It was the AR that did over 1356 recorded damage. Not the Burst AR which (on paper) should have done 1,605 damage.

The simple fact that the AR did near-comparable damage to the Burst HMG (Which is supposed to be the absolute 'last word' in rapid damage dealing) is flat out stupid. The fact that the Medium survived the bursts is flat out incorrect.

GEK Medium wins vs a Burst HMG Heavy, in a 'stand your ground' close range shoot off? What a load of.. You know..

AR's need to get sorted - ASAP.

And while they're at it, please sort Hit Detection as well; It's part and parcel to HMG damage, and I'm fairly sure it's the reason HMG's underperform ARs right now.

Sheesh reading threads like these tells me that people dont pay any attention they just spec into something and then other ppl complain that those players all specced into the same weapon. You realize the scrambler is better than the AR right?

I think it making the GAR's range just slightly more than the SMGs while increasing the DPS potential would be an acceptable start. It should be the least of the ARs.

The AR 514ers love their 3-shot-kill bullet hoses too much.

So make it a more accurate, more powerful HMG that you can fit on any suit? I'm sure the clip size would balance that out.

3 shots? lolwhat?

I never said it should be more powerful than the HMG, just that it should have its range reduced and its DPS potential slightly increased.

When we have all racial variants of the AR, the GAR needs to be the "least" of them. Which is to say that it should have the least range and highest DPS (damage per shot).

In the end, CQC should remain: HMG > SMG > GAR

I totally agree with the range damage profile (I think the Range of the current Breach would be OK). The HMG should indeed either have higher DPS in cqc or greater Range. I am not sure with the SMG as the SMG is just a siedearm...

That's how many shots kill in COD, and a select amount of AR user want the AR to do that.

That's pretty much what a GEK could do in Chrome with a couple damage mods and weaponry maxed. See how that worked out?

Sidearm or not, if the AR user is within the SMGs optimal, he should get raped.

I know you're going to disagree with me, but I think what's missing with the HMG is suppression and crowd crontrol.

I "fought the fine fight of the faith" .

well when the AR user was in CQC the flaylocks killed him, and now their are getting nerfed. if SMGs were buffed the same thing would happen.

HMGs were better than ARs they were nerfed, when flaylocks were better than ARs they were nerfed.
when Shotguns were better than ARs they were nerfed,... MDs, Lasers.... anything that isn't an AR gets nerfed.

sweet jesus im happy to get killed buy fused locus grenades and LAVs because at least something other than an AR variant shows up in the kill feed.


Assaul scrabler rilfes are pretty much the same as ARs too, but they fit alittle better t the game

write down every infantry and vehicle weapon and tally which weapons are making most kills... doubt ARs will even make 50%

actually if you look at the statistics from CCP the AR gets more kills than tank turrets, SMGs, SHOTGUNs and HMGs combined.

you may see tons of HMG bullets flying but trust me its an assist cannon.

in order of most kills the list will appear as follows:

1. AR
2. snipers
3. LAVs and grenades
4. SMGs, flaylcos (for now)
5. Scrambler rifles (naemly the assault variant)
6. forguns
7. HMGs
8. MD
9. tank turrets (main gun)

with ARs acounting for 75%-80% of all kills in ambush, and 70%+ kills in skirmish

in PC they acount for about 75% of all deaths

AR reins supreme because of 2 important factors:

1. Brainwashing of the gaming community by large brands such as CoD and BF
2. CCP catering to this poorly thought out standard cross gamers from those titles have

The name of the game is "If my bullet hose can't kill it, it must be op"

I am truly sorry that half the posts in the forums are about nerfing something. That 90% of the people asking for nerfs are AR users and that CCP caters to them 90% of the time. Assault rifles are fine, the problem was CCP smashed anything that could stand upto it either o oblivian or a shadow of it's former self.

actually . i agree. hey, everyone drinks on me... *the bar rejoices*

well when the AR user was in CQC the flaylocks killed him, and now their are getting nerfed. if SMGs were buffed the same thing would happen.

HMGs were better than ARs they were nerfed, when flaylocks were better than ARs they were nerfed.
when Shotguns were better than ARs they were nerfed,... MDs, Lasers.... anything that isn't an AR gets nerfed.

sweet jesus im happy to get killed buy fused locus grenades and LAVs because at least something other than an AR variant shows up in the kill feed.


Assaul scrabler rilfes are pretty much the same as ARs too, but they fit alittle better t the game

You realize the scrambler is better than the AR right?

AR reins supreme because of 2 important factors:

1. Brainwashing of the gaming community by large brands such as CoD and BF
2. CCP catering to this poorly thought out standard cross gamers from those titles have

The name of the game is "If my bullet hose can't kill it, it must be op"

I am truly sorry that half the posts in the forums are about nerfing something. That 90% of the people asking for nerfs are AR users and that CCP caters to them 90% of the time. Assault rifles are fine, the problem was CCP smashed anything that could stand upto it either o oblivian or a shadow of it's former self.

At one point I had the understanding that CCP wanted balance to all weapons and that they were checking their metrics constantly. Wouldn't the metrics indicate that the VAST majority of people are using the AR? While I totally understand that this is the vanilla/standard weapon, what I don't enjoy seeing is nothing but assault rifles peppered with some heavies and snipers in match after match. I don't want to see the AR get pounded by the CCP Nerf Hammer (as this is what usually happens) but I would like to see some balance made to it where other weapons are desired as well. When you start to see scouts running ARs you really have to wonder.

All in all, what I truly curious about is this: What are the metrics and percentages behind how many use the AR? Is the amount of people using the AR CCP's intent?

I really do enjoy the concept behind the game, but being a scout class character I am not presently finding much enjoyment in this.

Well other racial variants are still coming and the ranges will need to be fixed I believe the scr should outrange the ar but I don't play eve so idk..honestly all you see now is duvolle I've been seing a lot more md which is good but yeah I agree

Bet you use a sr, is that why you want it to out range the assault rifle?

Well it is kinda weird how the "official" tactical rifle is out range by the "cheap knockoff" variation of the blaster tech.

I use the AR and always aim for the head. When facing a heavy I can shoot him in the head from cover better than he can hit me with his HMG because the former is more accurate. Mind you I have spent alot of points on sharpshooter(4, soon 5). I believe every weapon gets extra head shot damage and combine that with the kickback and dispersion reduction, the AR is deadly. I don't see any flaylock or mass drivers going for head shots. This could be the reason for the high damage records you're seeing.

assault rilfe rounds are instantaous in this game, you fire, they are hit no matter the range. flaylcok takes skill because the blast radius is small and you have to lead your shots, due to horrible ht detection even good shots (in the 1m radius they give you) sometimes miss for no reason.

the trajectory calculations for flaylocks and MD are extremely difficult to manage verses agile opponents.

AR is point and shoot, with no recoil. how could you miss, its so acurrate, and the hip fire is so precise that it can devastate in CQC as well. thats why the numbers are so high, you can use an AR for everything

Currently the an SMG of equivalent level will beat out an AR in CQC. The issue is that so many people are using militia SMG which are nearly useless. With an advanced level assault SMG you can smash a GEK user in CQC.

On a more general note this thread is exactly the kind of belly aching I predicted we would get with the Flaylock nerf.

Here are the facts:
1) The flaylock was OP to the point of being the only weapon used in PC matches. It was a side arm and meant to be a backup weapon, now it is.

2) MD and SR are much more powerful than AR when used correctly. Correctly is the key there since these weapons are intended as specialist weapons they are harder to use and they are more situational. The assault SR is comparable to the AR.

3) The presences of Proto AR in public matches really just means that players don't know how to do math, not that the weapon is OP. Players who run full proto will finish the game without making a profit if they die two times in a match. While this brings a smile to my face every time I kill a proto user in a pub it also makes me wonder about these players motivations. Even beyond the profit issues the proto AR is not significantly better than the advanced AR. A few builds ago all weapons had there damage output flattened. Prior to that having a proto weapon was like carrying arround Zeus' lightning bolt, instant death for all who would oppose you, now that is less of an issue.

4) Stop your tears, everything in this game will change. If you've been here long enough you've already seen it change several times. Just wait a few months and logi will be the flavor of the month again and AR will once again be outclassed by every other weapon in every area of engagement.

ARs have been OP since chromosome. its just that sharpeshooter helped other guns keep up better, so people QQ'd. if sharp shooter gave HMGs AR range imagine how much range an AR had with sharp shooter? yeah, that was OP

The AR since uprising, has been the only effective weapon at pretty much everything except AV, and even then, with vehicles the way they are ive seen ARs blow up tanks (concentrated fire, but still)

duvoule dps = 509 (this is without proficiency, and damage mods, just the blanket 10%). so in one second of concentrated fire you can down 2-3 militia suits, without head shots, up to your max range
in 2 seconds you can down my heavy.

this is not just 509 of spread and pray howevery like an HMG which can't be aimed. you have pinpoint accuracy, no recoil, negligible dispersion, and supreme hip fire accuracy. your reload is as fast as lightening, and the flexibility of the suit allows you to carry nano hives for your self. out ranging all but a sniper and scambler rifle (lasers suck so they dnt really count) at mid range everything is your *****.

in close range the hip fire accuracy means that downing shotgun scouts and heavies especially is a pinch.

so, that 509 dps can be effective at all important ranges unchallenged.


people complained about flaylocks in PC owning people, but remember the flaylocks were only being used at close range where they were designed to be used, outside that they are useless unless the guy is standing still. and you needed adv and proto to have any effect on enemies. adv and proto SMGs would wreck **** just as bad as flaylocks in CQC. but flaylocks arent spray and pray chip damage machines so they had to be nerfed.


well, people complained that flaylocks were being dual weilded, proto SMGs can be dual wielded too... and they are just as effective.

how about this one... "the only thing people are using are flaylocks they kill everything.. nerf, nerf, derp, nerf". well, now everything is going to be all AR. you can literally, use ARs to do everything in the game. and if you get enough people you can take down, tanks, LAVs, dropships so fast that your AR is more effective than AV.

wanna pwn in mid range, use an AR, wanna kill a heavy with an HMG, use an AR beats it at all ranges (dnt say CQC only works if guys standing still), whanna use a shotgun or SMG for CQC, just use an AR the hip fire is better and you'll get more consistant results.... seeing a trend here? besides grenades ARs pretty handle everything elses job better.

The GAR needs to be faceraped with a balancebat, no matter how much the AR scrubs cry about it.

ARs have been OP since chromosome. its just that sharpeshooter helped other guns keep up better, so people QQ'd. if sharp shooter gave HMGs AR range imagine how much range an AR had with sharp shooter? yeah, that was OP

The AR since uprising, has been the only effective weapon at pretty much everything except AV, and even then, with vehicles the way they are ive seen ARs blow up tanks (concentrated fire, but still)

duvoule dps = 509 (this is without proficiency, and damage mods, just the blanket 10%). so in one second of concentrated fire you can down 2-3 militia suits, without head shots, up to your max range
in 2 seconds you can down my heavy.

this is not just 509 of spread and pray howevery like an HMG which can't be aimed. you have pinpoint accuracy, no recoil, negligible dispersion, and supreme hip fire accuracy. your reload is as fast as lightening, and the flexibility of the suit allows you to carry nano hives for your self. out ranging all but a sniper and scambler rifle (lasers suck so they dnt really count) at mid range everything is your *****.

in close range the hip fire accuracy means that downing shotgun scouts and heavies especially is a pinch.

so, that 509 dps can be effective at all important ranges unchallenged.


people complained about flaylocks in PC owning people, but remember the flaylocks were only being used at close range where they were designed to be used, outside that they are useless unless the guy is standing still. and you needed adv and proto to have any effect on enemies. adv and proto SMGs would wreck **** just as bad as flaylocks in CQC. but flaylocks arent spray and pray chip damage machines so they had to be nerfed.


well, people complained that flaylocks were being dual weilded, proto SMGs can be dual wielded too... and they are just as effective.

how about this one... "the only thing people are using are flaylocks they kill everything.. nerf, nerf, derp, nerf". well, now everything is going to be all AR. you can literally, use ARs to do everything in the game. and if you get enough people you can take down, tanks, LAVs, dropships so fast that your AR is more effective than AV.

wanna pwn in mid range, use an AR, wanna kill a heavy with an HMG, use an AR beats it at all ranges (dnt say CQC only works if guys standing still), whanna use a shotgun or SMG for CQC, just use an AR the hip fire is better and you'll get more consistant results.... seeing a trend here? besides grenades ARs pretty handle everything elses job better.

Key difference, SMG isn't a splash damage weapon.

4) Stop your tears, everything in this game will change. If you've been here long enough you've already seen it change several times. Just wait a few months and logi will be the flavor of the month again and AR will once again be outclassed by every other weapon in every area of engagement.

Please refer to #4 from my previous statement D legendary hero



I agree that many other weapons are UP at this point. In fact I think Cromosome had the weapon balance pretty much correct. HMG's need a damage buff as do lasers to bring them all back up to the chromosome gold standard as I like to refer to it. Don't worry though as I stated before, everything...will change.

I remember the days of Dust when we saw a large variety of weapons used. Not anymore.

I remember complaining when a scrambler pistol killed me or an HMG tore me up. I remember being worried when I heard a laser. I remember mass drivers that would suppress the crap out of me while approaching an objective.
I once even used the SMG on my scout suit and it was a beastly weapon but that was back in Skirmish 1.0 days.
I remember the shotgun in the hands of a scout and you'd have to call that out to your team since it was a huge threat.

All that time, the AR still reigned supreme but at least the scrambler pistol, laser, HMG, massdriver, SMG, and shotgun worked well against AR users and non AR users of equal skill in Chromosome and earlier builds.

The laser could out range the AR user. The Shotgun could out CQC the AR, the HMG (when it had range) could suppress the AR.

I always found the laser (not including the Viziam or damage mods) and HMG to be the most effective weapons against the AR in Chromosome but not anymore. Those were the days.

Nooo don't nerf it's the only thing thats gallente that is not underpowered shotguns and plasma cannons.

For once I agree with the AR toting masses. Like the OP hinted at. The problem isn't that the AR is OP. It's that they nerf the crap our of anything that isn't a standard AR.

If I could force CCP to do things my way for awhile I would have them put the nerf bat on the shelf and start buffing things that need it starting with small turrets for vehicles, then the plasma cannon, then the laser rifle, then armor tanking for dropsuits, then the shotgun...

Not sure what you're referring to, because while the SMG does fire at 1000RPM, in no way does it have more DPS than an HMG. Given that SMG damage is around 24, and HMG around 19, and the HMG shoots twice as fast...

assalt HMG = 433 dps
militia SMG = 459 dps


militia smg dps > AHMG


militia smg dps = 459
HMG = 600

so,
militia smg dps ~< HMG std dps, with approximately the same range.

They can let the dust settle on the nerf bat after one last swing.

Like I just posted, it the ARs range, and then buff the other weapons back into decency.

If a majority are capable of preferring their own private interest, or that of their families, counties, and party, to that of the nation collectively, some provision must be made in the constitution, in favor of justice, to compel all to respect the common right, the public good, the universal law, in preference to all private and partial considerations... And that the desires of the majority of the people are often for injustice and inhumanity against the minority, is demonstrated by every page of history...

]If a majority are capable of preferring their own private interest, or that of their families, counties, and party, to that of the nation collectively, some provision must be made in the constitution, in favor of justice, to compel all to respect the common right, the public good, the universal law, in preference to all private and partial considerations... And that the desires of the majority of the people are often for injustice and inhumanity against the minority, is demonstrated by every page of history...

This would be nice, if only CCP could see past the noise from the AR nerf brigade. They've been listening to the majority for too long, and here we are, in AR 514 because of it.

----John Adams

If a majority are capable of preferring their own private interest, or that of their families, counties, and party, to that of the nation collectively, some provision must be made in the constitution, in favor of justice, to compel all to respect the common right, the public good, the universal law, in preference to all private and partial considerations... And that the desires of the majority of the people are often for injustice and inhumanity against the minority, is demonstrated by every page of history...
----John Adams

Well assault rifle do need a tap with the nerf hammer it range needs to be cut in half its damange is fine since it a gallente weapon but it has far to much range for its dps

Well assault rifle do need a tap with the nerf hammer it range needs to be cut in half its damange is fine since it a gallente weapon but it has far to much range for its dps

'Boston Massacre'. John Adams defended british soldiers who shot into a crowd of civilians, killing 5. He got them off. Not really a reliable source of quotes regarding universal law. Considering his quote that there is a 'common right', he still defended known murderers of civilians, when no one else would. Justice and 'public good' at its best. His payment was the equivilent of a pair of shoes.

Its DPS is to low for its range, if its range get decreased its DPS must be increased if it is not increased that would mean the DPS of the ASCR needs to be reduced due to the higher range it would have.

wait what... i normally agree with you... but the AScr does not have the same range it actually has less range.

another point is that the AScr is a lvl 4 ADV weapon, while a milita AR is a skiless no SP weapon. why should it be as good as a Scr?

The Scrambler Rifle is supposed to be superior tech to the Gallente Plasma Rifle (Assault Rifle) in every way... yet, it is the exact opposite.

I find it ridiculous that some one completely unskilled into Assault Rifles at all, without using damage modifiers; using a Militia Assault Rifle, is able to kill a fully decked out Proto Heavy with over 1000 Ehp total in less then four seconds..

There is a thread around here... somewhere in this clutter of threads, that explains it and gives the actual numbers

wait what... i normally agree with you... but the AScr does not have the same range it actually has less range.

another point is that the AScr is a lvl 4 ADV weapon, while a milita AR is a skiless no SP weapon. why should it be as good as a Scr?