QFT. Currently we're playing AR 514. The AR is way overused, and it's well past time that CCP do something about it.

It seems though that the current philosophy from CCP regarding Dust is go AR or go home.

Hail AR 514, hail king AR.

Just so we're all on the same page, this is about the standard full auto right? That's the one that needs to have the shortest range, like breach AR range. The breach could use a RoF buff, burst needs less dispersion with virtually no kick and the TAC AR is fine as is after it got rebalanced.

I remember the days of Dust when we saw a large variety of weapons used. Not anymore.

I remember complaining when a scrambler pistol killed me or an HMG tore me up. I remember being worried when I heard a laser. I remember mass drivers that would suppress the crap out of me while approaching an objective.
I once even used the SMG on my scout suit and it was a beastly weapon but that was back in Skirmish 1.0 days.
I remember the shotgun in the hands of a scout and you'd have to call that out to your team since it was a huge threat.

All that time, the AR still reigned supreme but at least the scrambler pistol, laser, HMG, massdriver, SMG, and shotgun worked well against AR users and non AR users of equal skill in Chromosome and earlier builds.

The laser could out range the AR user. The Shotgun could out CQC the AR, the HMG (when it had range) could suppress the AR.

I always found the laser (not including the Viziam or damage mods) and HMG to be the most effective weapons against the AR in Chromosome but not anymore. Those were the days.

Sidearm or not, if the AR user is within the SMGs optimal, he should get raped.

I know you're going to disagree with me, but I think what's missing with the HMG is suppression and crowd crontrol.

I "fought the fine fight of the faith" .

write down every infantry and vehicle weapon and tally which weapons are making most kills... doubt ARs will even make 50%

AR reins supreme because of 2 important factors:

1. Brainwashing of the gaming community by large brands such as CoD and BF
2. CCP catering to this poorly thought out standard cross gamers from those titles have

The name of the game is "If my bullet hose can't kill it, it must be op"

I am truly sorry that half the posts in the forums are about nerfing something. That 90% of the people asking for nerfs are AR users and that CCP caters to them 90% of the time. Assault rifles are fine, the problem was CCP smashed anything that could stand upto it either o oblivian or a shadow of it's former self.

I use the AR and always aim for the head. When facing a heavy I can shoot him in the head from cover better than he can hit me with his HMG because the former is more accurate. Mind you I have spent alot of points on sharpshooter(4, soon 5). I believe every weapon gets extra head shot damage and combine that with the kickback and dispersion reduction, the AR is deadly. I don't see any flaylock or mass drivers going for head shots. This could be the reason for the high damage records you're seeing.

Currently the an SMG of equivalent level will beat out an AR in CQC. The issue is that so many people are using militia SMG which are nearly useless. With an advanced level assault SMG you can smash a GEK user in CQC.

On a more general note this thread is exactly the kind of belly aching I predicted we would get with the Flaylock nerf.

Here are the facts:
1) The flaylock was OP to the point of being the only weapon used in PC matches. It was a side arm and meant to be a backup weapon, now it is.

2) MD and SR are much more powerful than AR when used correctly. Correctly is the key there since these weapons are intended as specialist weapons they are harder to use and they are more situational. The assault SR is comparable to the AR.

3) The presences of Proto AR in public matches really just means that players don't know how to do math, not that the weapon is OP. Players who run full proto will finish the game without making a profit if they die two times in a match. While this brings a smile to my face every time I kill a proto user in a pub it also makes me wonder about these players motivations. Even beyond the profit issues the proto AR is not significantly better than the advanced AR. A few builds ago all weapons had there damage output flattened. Prior to that having a proto weapon was like carrying arround Zeus' lightning bolt, instant death for all who would oppose you, now that is less of an issue.

4) Stop your tears, everything in this game will change. If you've been here long enough you've already seen it change several times. Just wait a few months and logi will be the flavor of the month again and AR will once again be outclassed by every other weapon in every area of engagement.

Key difference, SMG isn't a splash damage weapon.

Not sure what you're referring to, because while the SMG does fire at 1000RPM, in no way does it have more DPS than an HMG. Given that SMG damage is around 24, and HMG around 19, and the HMG shoots twice as fast...

If a majority are capable of preferring their own private interest, or that of their families, counties, and party, to that of the nation collectively, some provision must be made in the constitution, in favor of justice, to compel all to respect the common right, the public good, the universal law, in preference to all private and partial considerations... And that the desires of the majority of the people are often for injustice and inhumanity against the minority, is demonstrated by every page of history...
----John Adams

'Boston Massacre'. John Adams defended british soldiers who shot into a crowd of civilians, killing 5. He got them off. Not really a reliable source of quotes regarding universal law. Considering his quote that there is a 'common right', he still defended known murderers of civilians, when no one else would. Justice and 'public good' at its best. His payment was the equivilent of a pair of shoes.

Its DPS is to low for its range, if its range get decreased its DPS must be increased if it is not increased that would mean the DPS of the ASCR needs to be reduced due to the higher range it would have.

The Scrambler Rifle is supposed to be superior tech to the Gallente Plasma Rifle (Assault Rifle) in every way... yet, it is the exact opposite.

I find it ridiculous that some one completely unskilled into Assault Rifles at all, without using damage modifiers; using a Militia Assault Rifle, is able to kill a fully decked out Proto Heavy with over 1000 Ehp total in less then four seconds..

There is a thread around here... somewhere in this clutter of threads, that explains it and gives the actual numbers